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10,000 Hours

Post by Username » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:42 pm

I like the idea this diet has of focusing on habits more than weight, and it got me thinking about how (supposedly) it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert at something.

10,000 hours over 24 hours a day equals 416.67 days (just short of a year and two months). If habits start to develop after 21 days, could it possibly take a year and two months to become an "expert" at those habits and that's the time goal to shoot for?

Or maybe I'm just overthinking things.

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Post by oolala53 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:16 am

I'm sorry to not accept the company line about 21 days. You are actually changing a lot more habits by eating three meals a day, so 21 days is a minimum. The experience of millions of dieters shows that they can stick to new habits of eating less for weeks and even months and still lose their habits, even when they feel better and don't feel fragile.

It's only overthinking it if you let it get you discouraged. I came to No S committed to a solid year, and in the back of my mind, two, because I knew that research on weight loss shows it takes a minimum of two years before a person's chance of relapse drops to less than 50%. So what? The time is going to pass anyway. It's been totally worth it.
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Post by kaalii » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:53 am

oolala53 wrote: It's only overthinking it if you let it get you discouraged. I came to No S committed to a solid year, and in the back of my mind, two, because I knew that research on weight loss shows it takes a minimum of two years before a person's chance of relapse drops to less than 50%. So what? The time is going to pass anyway. It's been totally worth it.
this is what my intention is, too...
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Post by oolala53 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:31 pm

TX, kaali!

Just wanted to add that there are still times when I have to just get through the next few hours until that next meal, and this is after several years, though there have been some stretches that it was pretty automatic during.
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Post by LifeisaBlessing » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:43 pm

Travis, I think the important thing is just to keep taking things one day at a time, one meal at a time. Don't overanalyze or look too far into the future. Looking too far ahead can make a task pretty daunting. Just know your goal, and keep a laser-sharp focus on your goal at all times, be it forming a habit, weight loss, or both. Check in with yourself daily and ask yourself honestly how you did that day. Make adjustments as necessary the next day, and just keep doing your thing. Success will happen if you focus on what you can do in the moment! :)

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Post by reinhard » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:25 pm

Both 10,000 and 21 are arbitrary numbers.

But they express approximate truths.

And in their (absurd) precision they can be usefully inspiring.

Instead of doubting, which is the easiest thing in the world, becuase of course they aren't exacltly true in all cases, or even averagely true of they'd be full of aestehtetically unappealing decimal places, I find it more helpful to humorously accept them (or something like them).

14 is my personal favorite.

Good luck!

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Re: 10,000 Hours

Post by Merry » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:46 am

Travis78 wrote:I like the idea this diet has of focusing on habits more than weight, and it got me thinking about how (supposedly) it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert at something.

10,000 hours over 24 hours a day equals 416.67 days (just short of a year and two months). If habits start to develop after 21 days, could it possibly take a year and two months to become an "expert" at those habits and that's the time goal to shoot for?

Or maybe I'm just overthinking things.
Now, see, when I overthink things, I have to ask, do sleeping hours really count, or only waking hours?!

Still, I think at least a year is a good minimum commitment & love what oolala said about 2 years.
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Post by Merry » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:51 am

oolala53 wrote:I came to No S committed to a solid year, and in the back of my mind, two, because I knew that research on weight loss shows it takes a minimum of two years before a person's chance of relapse drops to less than 50%.
Wow, that's great to know! Do you have a link on that by chance?

Really look forward to being "years" on habit--that sounds great :-)
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