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Larkspur



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/ Trader-Os, milk, mini Wegman's sticky bun
11/ homemade soy latte
1230/ lovely white beans with proscuitto and tomato, bread with butter and fig jam, nectarine, a few chips and salsa and a few pecans; seltzer with orange juice. Could have bagged the chips and salsa. I eat generous lunches!
5:30/ handful of cashews because I knew dinner would be late
7:15/potato with broccoli, cheese, ham

Lifted weights-- sore!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you enjoyed every bite! I like having one generous meal a day. When working, it tends not to be lunch because I get only 35 minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday, let's see-- ah yes:

7/ 2 small pieces french toast with butter and jam
1230/laaarge lunch of bagel with brie, nectarine, dried fruit (so sugary! so good!), some pecans and some peanut butter puffins
7/ (lunch lasted well, anyway)-- Blue Apron: pork chop with a shallot/mayo sauce, marinated veg, and potato salad; soy latte

Hot flashes have been rough Sad Otherwise feel good.

7/soy latte, egg, toast with butter, nectarine
1230/McD's cheeseburger, half a McD's pumpkin pie, cashews
130/ derailment of "the rest of lunch" involving a nectarine, popcorn, and some dried mango
7/ slice of chicken pie and a nectarine
1.5 hour hike on the beautiful A trail

7/ awesome just-full-enough breakfast of mango smoothie, PB puffins and a slice of sourdough and butter
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lately I have discovered (rediscovered) eating beans. They are awesome for satiety. Also rejoicing that I continue not to think about food much between meals-- I used to routinely crave food at four but that has gotten almost miraculously easier. I have, however, been having one diet soda a day. Which is terrible. I have LPR (the silent kind of reflux) and I should not be indulging in that dreadful stuff. Coping with what seems to be a sharp plunge into menopause-- taking black cohosh, turning the thermostat to two degrees above absolute zero at night, and taking melatonin for the sleep trouble.

Still not plating properly. I sort of just get things out and eat them, though I don't usually do seconds.

I have more time this year, which I hope to parlay into better fitness and better food and dropping a few pounds. I so want to set an example for my much-loved DD.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh seems like we're dealing with a lot of the same stuff-reflux, menopause etc. My daughter is a vegetarian so we eat A lot of beans. They're so versatile and nutritious. What a great food item.

It's hard giving up those drinks isn't it? I used to drink a venti mocha every single day and never thought I could give it up. After several months I switched to sugar free, no whip version. Then when I had to give up coffee & chocolate because of my reflux I switched to tea. It then found that even bother me so I drink this tecchino chickory coffee like drink. But really I find I just need some sort of ritualized drink to carry around with me. Lately even some unsweetened almond milk w/ a teaspoon of honey over ice is enough to keep me happy.

That's a long way of saying you'll be surprised what you can get used to. I do better with substitutions rather than completely cutting something out so maybe keep trying till you find something to take the place of those diet sodas.

Great you'll have some more time for self-care!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I baked All The Things for the church bazaar last week. I chewed gum and sipped drinks and generally tried, but I still had too much of the wrong things and biliary pain (no gallbladder anymore, but I still sometimes get that) and realized I was just eating too much fat. It was enough to turn me Vanilla. So I have been Vanilla so far this week. Still aiming for more fruit/veggie/legumey meals. There's a little bit of Fear of Eating going on-- so many things are thought to be Wrong depending on your dietary creed.

B/ raisin bran, mango/banana/apple smoothie
L/ half a bagel with cheese, some carrot sticks, half a banana, small bag of smartfood
5/cafe mocha and carrot sticks
D/ stewed chicken, mashed potato, salad
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the fear is not from the effects the food might have on your reflux? Which would be legitimate.

I have to admit that I've gotten to the point at which I am not comfortable with the idea of eating just anything at my meals. I actually never did eat willy nilly, but I felt like it should be okay if I did. There's no doubt in my mind that SAD is not going to sustain a person longterm, and that even eating non-manufactured food it's better to have certain ratios, as traditional societies do, though they don't aim at that. But I don't want it to be a reason I go into WTH if I don't meet the standard.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
There's a little bit of Fear of Eating going on-- so many things are thought to be Wrong depending on your dietary creed.

If you have pain/discomfort when you eat certain foods than I think you probably have a relatively easy way to know what foods you should limit your personal diet. My best-case dietary needs may vary from yours so ultimately the only standard you need to follow is your own.

Perhaps commit to vanilla for a month (or the magical 21 days) and see where you stand at the end of it.

Best of luck to you
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do get some sort of not very obvious heartburn after eating. And too much fat does not go down well. But the greater discomfort is mental, when I let myself get lost in the Venn diagram of tasty/plant-based/satisfying/slimming. My lovely mom died when she was a little younger than I am now, so my dietary fretting has a bit of a sharp edge. But, overall, I feel pretty good-- not the cast iron digestion of my youth, but I'm okay.

A super nice, cozy day. Weather finally seasonal, if drippy. Helped DH at work since his office manager is out. He was away for almost a week and it has been so nice to have him back. National events are so stressful and upsetting, and yet my little town feels decent and safe, people are good to each other, I've lived here a long time and have a good web of friends and acquaintances. When I shorten my focus, things are good. I don't want to stop doing what I can to "heal the world" as my rabbi friends say, but it helps to shut down the headlines for a while.

B/ mango/apple/banana smoothie, English muffin with butter
L/carrot, cottage cheese with flax seed, pecans and raisins, a few spicy chickpeas, and Smartfood
4/coffee with soy milk and a few chocolate chips
D/ macaroni and cheese, homemade applesauce, 2.5 strips bacon
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the national news is distressing. Sometimes we can heal the world, and sometimes we need to retreat to our own sanctuaries. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend not to buy too much into all that dietary noise out there. Everyone has an agenda. Balanced diet with all the food groups mostly home cooked food everything in moderation including a little junk food now & then.

I thought of this article when you were describing your town:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-will-survive-this/2017/08/01/7be9322c-76f0-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.f5b9d695baac

I'm very politically active at the moment so I do focus on the news a lot but every now & then I have to take a deep breath and look around me. Most people are still basically decent.

Gl w/ the reflux. It's a pain I know. :/
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Larkspur



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda-- re ignoring the noise, wise advice. I get into certain worry patterns, and that is a familiar and well worn pattern. I have a few favorite themes my brain likes to fall into. Have to kick it out again. That was a great Garrison Keillor piece, thank you!

This week I kinda had one of those moments where I realized I just need to kick it into gear. I can't seem to manufacture these moments, they just seem to come. I was pretty much vanilla all week. My S days are Friday and Saturday. Friday was a little fitful and aimless as I had some sense of trying to "fit things in." I love to bake but my younger daughter is not eating much of that stuff these days and we can't really go through it before it gets beyond its best. I don't want to buy a lot of sweet stuff cause I don't really want to open the door, you know? Nothing I had yesterday really hit the spot of "that was great, so glad I did it!" I think I did slim down a bit during the week of Vanilla and that's heartening. On some level I felt like it wasn't working for weight loss (though I love it in every other respect) but of course I wasn't really conforming. There's still the problem of avoiding sweets during the week maybe making me too greedy on the weekend, but I'm going to try to cope with that as it comes around and see what happens.

I was pecking around the internet last night and pursued a discussion of the Gilmore Girls actress's health habits. I was always mildly annoyed by their modeling eating tons of crap food without any evidence of harm to their health, figures or complexions. People found it refreshing to get away from "girls have to eat salads" but it also implied they belonged to some super race exempt from the laws of thermodynamics (there are some people like that!) And in fact Lauren Graham eats 1700-1800 calories a day of very simple, whole food. She had a spit bucket for all that junk food on the show. She also exercises hard for an hour a day. She says she thinks consistency is important and the less she eats, the less she thinks about it. So in some ways it was helpful to see that I am not necessarily being victimized by my metabolism Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larkspur wrote:
Linda-- re ignoring the noise, wise advice. I get into certain worry patterns, and that is a familiar and well worn pattern. I have a few favorite themes my brain likes to fall into. Have to kick it out again. That was a great Garrison Keillor piece, thank you!

This week I kinda had one of those moments where I realized I just need to kick it into gear. I can't seem to manufacture these moments, they just seem to come. I was pretty much vanilla all week. My S days are Friday and Saturday. Friday was a little fitful and aimless as I had some sense of trying to "fit things in." I love to bake but my younger daughter is not eating much of that stuff these days and we can't really go through it before it gets beyond its best. I don't want to buy a lot of sweet stuff cause I don't really want to open the door, you know? Nothing I had yesterday really hit the spot of "that was great, so glad I did it!" I think I did slim down a bit during the week of Vanilla and that's heartening. On some level I felt like it wasn't working for weight loss (though I love it in every other respect) but of course I wasn't really conforming. There's still the problem of avoiding sweets during the week maybe making me too greedy on the weekend, but I'm going to try to cope with that as it comes around and see what happens.

I was pecking around the internet last night and pursued a discussion of the Gilmore Girls actress's health habits. I was always mildly annoyed by their modeling eating tons of crap food without any evidence of harm to their health, figures or complexions. People found it refreshing to get away from "girls have to eat salads" but it also implied they belonged to some super race exempt from the laws of thermodynamics (there are some people like that!) And in fact Lauren Graham eats 1700-1800 calories a day of very simple, whole food. She had a spit bucket for all that junk food on the show. She also exercises hard for an hour a day. She says she thinks consistency is important and the less she eats, the less she thinks about it. So in some ways it was helpful to see that I am not necessarily being victimized by my metabolism Smile


That irked me, too!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brain was trying to pull all kinds of tricks to keep me from working out, and once I got started, it was barely a thing. No problem. Why am I so silly?

Fairly N yesterday, though dinner at a Mexican restaurant is a little hard to calculate. No sweets, anyway.

B-- whole wheat fruit-injected cereal
L-- pita pizza, a few leftover sesame chicken pieces, mango/pear/banana smoothie, a few prunes and figs

Expect to serve homemade soup and grilled cheese for dinner. College daughter is home and so is DH after he was away for more than a week. Good to have them back in the fold.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: thin female characters famed for eating a lot. Grace Adler on Will and Grace. Even if it were true that she could gorge and stay skinny, I still resented it. Their kidding of her was the only price she had to pay for gorging.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feeling good about my No-Sing. Still fairly vanilla-- had an extra spoon of potato salad last night, but that's not too egregious. I was reading up on resistant starch and made my friend's fabulous potato salad, so a win all around Smile Getting better with plating though that still needs some work. I feel like that last week or so I have been easing up on my meals sizes (fewer instances of feeling Way Too Full) and I have shed a little fat, yay.

I read with interest an article that Linda linked-- the one about the best longevity being associated with a BMI or 26 or 27. I had read elsewhere that "normal" BMI was revised downward from 27 to 25 some years ago.

b/coffee with milk and chocolate, puffed rice with milk and honey, smoothie with mango, banana, yogurt, apple

L/ potato salad, cheese crackers, half a bagel with Brie, prunes

D/chicken tostada and a half, banana/whey/cocoa smoothie

Trail walk with adult offspring Smile

*Maternal worry rant ahead-- just processing LOL

That said, I continue to be somewhat distressed and ruminative about my eldest daughter's weight. (I worry about my youngest's weight for opposite reasons, sigh!) She's the most awesome person imaginable-- kind, helpful, academically competent. She's not gorging on twinkies or anything but she eats every few hours and it's often something like tortilla chips and cheese. It's just that she gained most of this weight at Oxford and I'm not used to it-- she was normal weight until about two years ago, got a little roundy and hippy, then overseas and wow. Maybe 30-40 pounds. We haven't been able to talk about it, really. She's like my husband-- a highly duty-driven, kind, conscientious person, but she doesn't like to be perceived as less than perfect (neither does he) which keeps them to a high standard, but they're not the most, um, receptive to conversations which bring up the things they struggle with. I'm just worrying she's doing intuitive eating which I am convinced is probably good for a lot of things but fairly useless at keeping you clear of obesity. (I suspect she was somewhat depressed overseas and a conversation here made me think that eating probably kept her from feeling worse.) My belief is that is just locks you into a constant struggle with food. Am I hungry? Am I really hungry? What do I want? How much do I want? No S is so much simpler and healthier but it does take time to adjust. And of course, every person has to find their own path-- you can't impose a system from the outside. It won't stick and she wouldn't stand for it anyway.

This is all in my buffer-- I haven't said anything. I'm trying to figure out what to say and how much. I always emphasized that weight is a number and not a measure of personal worth. I wish we could talk about it free of shame which doesn't belong. Overfat is a manifestation, not a moral failing. I know most people would advise me to leave it completely alone but if I saw her drinking too much or doing lots of weed I would say something. Is this really different? I'm not sure.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, you're preaching to the choir here. NO slim culture on earth eats on whims. Poor girl. Nobody gains 30 lbs, listening to their true hunger. And the British are hefty eaters, so there was probably lots of reinforcement for frequent eating. (In 2011 the Guardian reported that British women became the heaviest in Europe.) If she had gone to Italy or France, it would probably have been a different story. She does have a better prognosis than some because she was once slimmer. I can imagine your dilemma. I wouldn't listen to my parents at that age on that subject at all, and probably would have been incensed they brought it up. I would hope she doesn't get caught in the diet world, either.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I was a little hungry in the middle of the night, but I managed to get back to sleep by switching venues, rather than remaining next to my well-loved but heat-producing husband.

My pants are a little loose. After about six months-- is it six?-- getting the three meals a day down, I am trying to move into being a little more careful of my plates. I still pop things into my mouth making meals though Smile

B/ puffed wheat with honey and milk, apple/mango/banana/yogurt smoothie-- scrummy, as Mary Berry would say
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a tween, and I agree that comments about the body for young women can be freighted. I remember gaining a bunch of weight in college, and though I was still probably in the normal BMI, I was SO self-conscious. That's tough.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah for lose pants!

Oh dear, I really feel for you about your daughter. My oldest daughter (14 yrs) has always been super skinny and she's a natural eater in that she really will stop when she's full despite the food tasting good. She regularly turns down sweets because she's not hungry but recently she's been gaining weight.

I really don't know how to handle it either. I don't want her to feel I'm being critical of her looks but I do have concerns about her ability to take care of her health. She's not exercising, and when she's at school she buys junk food. I know she'll be very annoyed with me if I bring it up but I feel like I have a responsibility, right?

I guess we have to try to do it in the most gentle way possible? Anyway, sorry I'm no help. Best of luck!

Linda
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it helps but the tact I've taken is to say nothing until the subject of diet/eating/health comes up then I say some version of, "What I do is. . . " without ever suggesting that they do the same. That way it's just a conversation and they can take or leave what they want from it.

It definitely worked with husband and 1 daughter. Maybe 2 daughters but the 2nd one is a lot more closed-mouth than the 1st so I'm not sure.

Best of luck to you. It is a very difficult position to be in.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So glad the site is back up. I was bereft!

Thanks for the support, my dears! I still haven't worked out how to talk to her. She won't like it, and she's such a good, good kid-- I juuuust caaaan't cause her pain, and I'm uncertain whether it's going to be helpful anyway. We were joking at family dinner the other day-- composing alternate advice to a question on an advice column. We came up with the idea of one day a month where you say all the negative and unpleasant relationship maintenance stuff that has to be unloaded. Perhaps I can suggest a Miserable Monday where we broach topics that have to be handled with tongs.

Sunday a little woolly with the treats. Probably not the only one to notice how it goes from not having to think about food to fretting/negotiating/worrying on S days. Lately I'm awarding myself an A- on no sweets, an A on no snacks, and a B- on no seconds.

Today I did a super fun thing, which was go swimming with my husband. We are going to try for that at least once a week. Great exercise, feels awesome when you're done. Have to resist the reprehensible impulse to flirt and canoodle in the water. DH is not a big one for public canoodling.

Son's birthday today so I will probably have a slice of his ice cream cake.

B/ 2 pancakes with a little syrup (ok B-, LOL)
L/ smoothie with mango, banana, yogurt, apple, whey, leftover nacho chips, homemade applesauce
D/a few pecans, a few figs, small bowl of chili, 2 hefty slices of sourdough with butter and a little marmalade
S/Son's birthday cake Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larkspur, that is so sweet that you had to resist water-based flirting! Happy birthday to your son Smile

Just a little perspective from the kid side - I was a rake thin kid until puberty, regularly refused food when not hungry, etc. Around puberty-ish (14 / 15) I got much more average sized, which to me, and those around me, seemed like I was getting "fat". I think because I'd always been a "natural" beanpole, people around me reacted and commented. I look back now and realise that truly all that happened was I went from a skinny kid body to the beginnings of a woman's body. Anyway, all of this triggered my first quiet diet attempt in mid-high school.

Later on in college / early work, I gained a bit more, due to the combination of being still more (sitting to study or work) and being old enough to drink! Now I was truly getting overweight, not just "not a beanpole anymore". Believe me when I say I was PAINFULLY aware of this, and being a "good kid" and achiever in other areas felt very much like I was failing. People commented as if I needed to be made aware, or was somehow cool with it, and I felt even worse. This was the start of my 20's decade of yo-yo calorie counting down and rebounding back up.

Why do I relate all this? Well, mostly just to suggest keeping the focus off weight and on healthy eating habits and exercise. Of course, we all try to prepare healthy food for our kids, steer them away from junk and make sure they get plenty of movement into their day, whether through organised sports or active play / family walks etc. We try to be good role models -
in fact it's one of my motivations for No Sing. That's all part of parenting. But I look back now and wish that I'd had less comments about how I "used to be so skinny" and more just a friend or family member saying "hey, would you like to go for a walk at the beach together?". The same people saying "ironchef is not making the most of her youth being so unfit" would also be the ones baking treats for afternoon tea parties. Mixed messages abounded.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, ironchef! Yes, I'm quite sure she knows and is upset about it. So talking to her feels like poking a finger in a wound. But I am worried based on something she said that she's fallen for the line that overweight isn't harmful to health until it affects mobility, and the preponderance of evidence just does not seem to point that way. Ah well, perhaps we will float the idea of Frankness Friday, and find a way to open a discussion.

B/ banana/milk/whey smoothie; bowl of puffed wheat with milk and honey. Little worried about that breakfast lasting, but it's grocery day and there weren't too many options Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Zumba yesterday (it's so fun, my heart rate really gets too high for a 51 year old-- have to remind myself to ease off.) And I get to go swimming with my DH today.

Yesterday was Trick or Treat night. My town offsets Halloween to a school night to discourage disorderly behavior. The older part of town gets a huge turnout. Everyone's out on the streets, it's quite fun. I ended up having a super late lunch due to appointments, and dinner not till 9. I would, of course, love to be lighter, but I was so thrilled with the change in what I suspect is insulin regulation-- I didn't go crazy at lunch, even though it was late, and I didn't get that visceral reaction to candy. I ended up having my dinner at nine and I ate 3 pieces of candy with it. It was just nice not to be entranced by sweets. I think the exercise might be helping with my insulin regulation as well. Not quite sure re the best way to go about trimming calories so as to avoid getting into a Thing-- I'll stick with vanilla No S for now. I'm halfway tempted to just be okay with my weight now, but my BMI is 30. Twenty pounds would put me at 27 and my face wouldn't be fat, which would be cheerful. I don't mind a capacious rear so much as I dislike a chubby face Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swimming was great Smile

I take my S's on Friday and Saturday-- Friday was fine. Saturday I had weird hunger at times I normally wouldn't. I'm thinking inadequate breakfast/sugar/drinking diet soda? I ate lots and often. This morning I had my usual apple/mango/banana/yogurt/flax smoothie and an English muffin and I've been fine.

It would be good to work on my dietary defaults. The smoothie and muffin or toast would work for breakfast, unless I wanted oatmeal with the works. Need to figure out the best lunch. Maybe a soup or chili, something with vegetable protein, and some crackers or bread and a handful of nuts. A soy latte as needed. And I need to block out our swimming times and my Zumba classes.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad for you about the candy.

Just keep trucking along!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely do better with a good breakfast as opposed to junky food.

I'm confused on the Halloween thing. Isn't Halloween on a school night this week? Do you just celebrate it the same night every year? I actually wish they'd pick like the last fri or sat night of October to celebrate it but then again we haven't had a lot of problems that I know of.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you meant the town offsets Halloween from a school night to a weekend night. I thought I'd see some Halloween people out when I had dinner out Friday night. Even at a Dia de los Muertos event I didn't see any costumes or face makeup.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, they want it on a school night. They always move it to Thursday before actual Halloween, I assume so the children will not be out too late wreaking havoc. It wigged me out the first year I moved here, twenty years ago Smile

B/ fruit smoothie, english muffin
L/2 chicken wings, vegetarian chili, 2 bites of pumpkin bread pudding, raw veggie salad
4/soy latte
D/2 chicken tostadas, 1 oz raisins, applesauce and plain yogurt

Went to Zumba today. Thinking about trying to reduce my eating window a little, like a 16:8 thing. I don't think I can emulate Linda's five hours but I figure I'll try it and see if it helps shift my weight a little. I might be able to manage a 10 am breakfast, 2 o'clock lunch, 5 pm dinner kind of thing. We'll see.
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Oh, they think if the kids have to go to school the day of and after Halloween, they have less time to wind themselves up. Some logic to that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/ puffed wheat, applesauce with yogurt, sprouted wheat toast with butter
12:30/ bagel with cheese, fruit smoothie, 2 pecans
*** got SO SLEEPY after lunch**
5/ soy latte
6:30/ pasta bolognese, piece of garlic bread, half a banana

Swam/water jogged half an hour with my DH, which, let me say again, is super super fun.

Linda has got me reading TONS on time restricted eating. I am thinking many of our wonderful NoS benefits come from this practice-- if you eat three meals and no snacks, you are probably fasting at least 12 hours. I tried to fit an 8 hour window today but that wasn't happening-- dentist appointment on one end (so glad I didn't make myself get through drilling on a growling stomach) and my being lazy after swimming on the other. So, ok, a ten hour window Smile

If you are a weight and health study junkie like me, you will enjoy this site:

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/

I am having a lot of thoughts flying around about insulin regulation and health, but I will work them out on my blog.

Re the postprandial fatigue-- I think I just eat too much fruit. What can I say, I love fruit. Fruit makes me happy. But a fruit smoothie and a bagel is a lot to ask of my pancreas at one meal.
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It's interesting isn't it? I don't know if you listen to podcasts but this is what got me hooked:

http://ifpodcast.com

I have to say I'm really loving it. I'm always skeptical of health claims but a lot of it seems plausible. All I know is that I feel great and it seems to really gotten my appetite to a good place.
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Visited my dear friend and her husband yesterday. Had a totally lovely day, and enjoyed listening to IF podcasts (see above!) on the drive to and from. So I was very determined to keep a decent fasting window at night. But my friends are hobbits, practically (like 5'2" and rather trim) and the dinner I had with them, while delish, was bread and caprese salad, so it did definitely did not stick. I finally had to get up at 1 am to eat so I could sleep and was then really upset with myself. Ah me. It's one day-- moving on!

Swimming today!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I would have called that virtual plating, really. I don't think that would be being in denial. But it's your call.

Might warm milk have done the trick?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you're enjoying the podcasts! I listen to them while I drive to get my daughter from school. You kinda gotta white knuckle the first few days but it gets easier. It's important to eat a good amount in your feasting window though so don't blame you for eating that snack. I can't sleep if I'm too hungry.

Would love to hear your thoughts as you get further into the podcasts. All my friends think I'm crazy!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala, I comforted myself with the thought that my S days are Friday and Saturday LOL. I don't like plain milk, but a hot Ovaltine might have been a good way to go. It was cereal and applesauce (I wanted the insulin spike to make me sleep) but it sat there like lead and altogether made me feel disgruntled and annoyed. In my optimist's way, I've decided it was actually a good learning experience for what does not go well, and last night's chicken and roasted vegetables held me over beautifully until around 9:30 this morning. From the stuff I've been reading/watching, I am invested in trying to fast at least 12 hours at night, and preferably work up to 16. My body is trained to about 12 so I can get 13-14 without too much trouble. I'll just do the best I can.

Been listing to The Obesity Code on Audible and while I expect to part ways/get annoyed at some point, it's making a lot of sense so far. I really do believe that obesity is a hormonal regulation problem, and if you can get the hormones into something resembling decent order, you can do much better. NoS has been very helpful for this by addressing snacking and sweets, which in my opinion are the two major branches by which insulin regulation goes awry.

Linda, thanks for the tip on the podcasts. I think the most fascinating thing about the fasting is the idea that it isn't bad for you-- I always felt it was a terrible idea, because I always felt so incredibly bad. But I'm noticing that when my body's trained (NoS) and I'm not having sweet tastes, I seem to be fine. And the literature does seem to support the healthfulness of certain kinds of mild fasting. I'm hoping to get to 16:8-- doubt I will make that today, because of various social events/life constraints. But even a few days a week I think it would be worth doing.
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What astounds me about what Fung says is the idea that the vast majority of his successful patients are ultimately NOT eating less when they fast for 24-36 hours. Or not admitting that their incentive has a big influence on compliance. I do think the fasting is part of the solution for those with insulin issues and is a superior technique for some people than traditional calorie reduction.

Only extended time will tell if it fits you.
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I'm listening to the Jason Fung book on Audible and also watching some of the videos on Foundmyfitness, scientist interviews. Interesting how many of those people eat only 1 or 2 meals a day and do 4-5 day water fasts during the year. I am still not feeling ready for a long fast. One of these days, I'll get my courage up.

Today I kept about an 8 hour window but I ate three times. I'd like to try for 2 meals, but I don't want to fail at it/flail around/get discouraged. My preference is to set the bar low and do it Smile I'm particularly intrigued by the idea of being clearer headed when not digesting. I went to church this morning before eating and I fancied it was easier to be attentive, but that may be placebo effect Smile
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So last night I had a rough time sleeping. I definitely felt empty, though not hungry per se. I toughed it out, finally slept around 2. Got up at 7 but was able to go back to bed for an hour or two after I got my daughter off to school. I delayed BF till about ten. Lunch at 2, dinner at 6:30. I ate more protein and fat at dinner. Veggies would probably help a lot but they take time to prepare when I'm rushing around getting people to and from work and rehearsal. I also had a couple of bites of pie dough-- is that weird or what? I was going to make myself an apple pie on Saturday but just didn't have time. So before I put the dough in the freezer I had a couple of bites. Not a health food, LOL.

10/ fruit smoothie with whey, egg mcmuffin, 6 pecans
2/ 10 tortilla chips with 1/2 cup refried beans & cheese, homemade applesauce, carrot, bread and butter pickles (thinking the vinegar would slow insulin spike-- I know, I know!)
6:30/chicken breast with skin, catsup, roll with butter, 1/2 c shredded wheat with milk, 3 prunes, and some pie dough. OK, weird. But I'm hoping enough fat and fiber that I'll sleep. Fairly GERDy today which is, let's face it, not surprising. Off to go swimming with DH. That'll be interesting on what I just ate, LOL.
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Frozen veggies are pretty darn fast. Very Happy
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I also had a couple of bites of pie dough-- is that weird or what? I was going to make myself an apple pie on Saturday but just didn't have time. So before I put the dough in the freezer I had a couple of bites.

I looove pie dough. Haven't made it in forever thou . . . The bits cut off the edges that hang over the pan . . . *sigh* . . . truly a walk down memory lane.
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Last night’s dinner at Wegmans was lovely Broccoli/cheese soup, this yummy raw veggie crunch salad they have, some apple fennel salad (also fabulous), and half a piece of stromboli. We ate at six, and it got me fine through the night. So yesterday I had about 9 hour eating window, and I’m going to shoot for 8 today. I feel like the eating window approach helps me manage hunger,, and as an insulin resistant person with diabetes in the family, I figure it makes sense to experiment with more time fasted. Still enjoying my lovely three meals.
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Yesterday--
10/ shredded wheat, pb&J sandwich, fruit/yogurt smoothie
315/ 1/2 a bagel with cheese, few chunks of stew beef, 6 pecans, 3 prunes
540/ stew, 2 pieces sourdough with butter and jam, latte with ovaltine (OK, weird but tasty)

Swam/water jogged half an hour with my lovie, band says I walked 9K steps and did 19 flights of stairs in the course of my duties. Also had a flaming snit about my MIL which probably burned a lot of calories (ABOUT my MIL. Not in front of my MIL, thank God.)

Today--
1030/ shredded wheat, fruit/yogurt smoothie (small apple, cup of frozen fruit, half a greenish banana, and plain yogurt), and some stew
2/ yogurt and homemade applesauce and pecans, english muffin with cheese
6/1.5 chicken toastadas, another fruit smoothie because that’s what I fancied

Did Zumba. More sedate with my band which is letting me know my HR is Right Up There for a person of mature years. Band claims I walked 13k steps, did 20 flights, and burned 3k calories. Doubt the latter Smile

Happy with recent changes in fitness/how I look. I'm feeling good on the shorter eating window and I have bought into the idea that it helps with insulin resistance. Blessings on NoS which really lays the foundation for resting your gut/avoiding excessive sweets, both of which appear to be important in insulin regulation. I'm still having three meals, they're just a little more compressed. Would ideally like to move towards two but that might make more sense at a later stage. DH is eating 16:8 with me. We'll see how we do.


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Glad you're enjoying the 16:8 and generally feeling good. Don't get me started on MILs! 😏
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Hey, all. Now combining NoS with 16:8 intermittent fasting. It is easy thanks to the 8 months of training in not snacking. I still keep sweets for the weekend and I am sort of trained out of seconds too, lol, though that’s less of a temptation when meals are 4 hours apart. I looked slimmer, friends commenting on it, before I saw a drop in weight. This morning after 2 S days I was down three pounds. So altogether down about ten since I started in March. The important changes in blood work and freedom from cravings came with NoS. It is nice to see the scale move.
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Larkspur wrote:
Hey, all. Now combining NoS with 16:8 intermittent fasting. It is easy thanks to the 8 months of training in not snacking. I still keep sweets for the weekend and I am sort of trained out of seconds too, lol, though that’s less of a temptation when meals are 4 hours apart.


I am finding snacking is no problem with 16:8 too. My breakfast is pretty light since I am at work, so I am pretty hungry for lunch but don't want to ruin it by snacking. I have a "full" lunch (i.e., I don't under-eat in an effort to diet), and that holds me until my "full" dinner. I go to bed two hours (or less) after dinner, so I certainly have no desire to snack at night. Fasting makes No S easier! Very Happy
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Feeling very enthusiastic and convicted about the Intermittent Fasting component. Once again, we will have to see if it results in more actual poundage liberated, but I plan to do it anyway for insulin sensitivity/health benefits unless some new studies come out to the contrary. The insulin theory of obesity makes so much sense to me and it fits in so well with NoS, except for maybe one thing, which is the Breakfast Problem. That is a whole discussion I will not be boring about here. I am operating on 2-3 meals in an 8 hour window at this point. I think 2 meals might be the sweet spot for this middle aged hypothyroid person. I switched scales this morning. I have this whimsical analog scale that I can argue with, depending on how I lean in the morning. The digital scale weighs within a pound. It is painfully 3 or 4 pounds higher (depending on how I lean!) but I'm going to go with that. Hoping to be more health than scale focused, so if the digital one drives me bananas, I will switch back.

For the check in-- yesterday I ate at 11:15 and 5, and swam/waterjogged with DH.
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So I have not been feeling the best-- sleep has not been great since last summer, when my estrogen dived. I've had some right hip pain off and on and yesterday I was just sore all over, neck and both hips and knee and bleh. I suspect I'm a little ball of inflammation and the thought of having to eat paleo makes me want to cry. Also, I got my feelings hurt at choir last night. I don't know if my brain and decision making is also out of whack or whether I am right to gently let this particular facet of my life go. I have a pretty tranquil life at present and most of my crying, which is like twice a year, is related to choir. It twangs some old painful strings about Not Fitting In and not belonging, which is my old bugaboo. So I don't know if I'm not getting enough exercise, I don't have enough going on in my life at the moment (I like it that way), or if intermittent fasting is releasing toxins into my bloodstream Smile I think I'll look up "yoga for people who are bumming".

In what I guess is brighter news, it's not hard to stick with two meals, a midmorning brunch and then dinner for a fasting window of I don't know, 19 hours I guess. I like the simplicity of eating twice and I'm pretty sure I'm eating less overall. Will probably eat three times today because I am not taking my elderly MIL to the doctor on an empty stomach. Nope.
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So I don't know if I'm not getting enough exercise, I don't have enough going on in my life at the moment (I like it that way), or if intermittent fasting is releasing toxins into my bloodstream Smile


I had a pimple this week and celebrated the released fat releasing toxins. Laughing

Sorry choir is making you cry. Sad I hope you can work it out or find a new place for your voice.
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Oh, sorry to hear choir made you cry Larkspur! It's really easy for me to feel like the outcast in group situations (ingrained in me from my school years as a "weird" nerd), and even now I'm a grown woman it doesn't take that much to throw me back into the shoes of an awkward 15 year old.

Hope your soreness resolves too!
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Ironchef, my theory is that nerds age well Smile

Boring thyroid story:
I think I may have a clue to my poor sleep/joint aches. I got my TSH back (thyroid stimulating hormone) and it's 0.6 something, with reference range of 0.3 to 5. I started Synthroid a couple years ago for a modestly elevated TSH (7 something, when high normal is 5 and they don't always treat till 10). I felt better, fewer aches and the puffiness of my face improved. My levels were not changing much, we kept upping the dose without too much change. Then this one was zippety down. My doc says it's ok but I don't feel right so I wrote him about lowering the dose to get me a little more towards 5. I don't see the need to rev this 51 year old engine. I wonder if the IF is increasing my absorption or just making my own thyroid wake up a little. I googled it and it does look like a lot of people have had to cut their Synthroid dose. So until that goes down I am going to feel like someone's got their foot on my gas pedal. Might also help explain my hip pain, night waking, somewhat higher BP despite exercise, and crying in choir Smile

In other news, the IF seems to make NoS much easier. Whether I eat two meals or three, I definitely don't need more than that in an 8 or 9 hour window.

If I haven't done it here already, recommending hither and yon Jason Fung's youtube video on The Aetiology of Obesity. I found it really persuasive and helpful. It explains a lot about why NoS is helpful.

Lunch with a friend, swimming with my DH, and then a yummy ice creamy delight at some point for my S Day. Happy Friday, all Smile
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Sorry you are or we're having a hard time. Did you cry in choir because of mean girls ? I wasn't sure by your post. One of the best thing my therapist helped me with was giving me permission to let people go. I'm learning to trust my instincts about people and if they don't lift me up, I'm not going to waste my time on them. It sounds like you have a good, happy life. Don't let a few ppl drag you down. I may write more about this on my thread later.

I hope your health stuff clears up but sounds like you're enjoying IF overall. It's early days still for me but it feels kind of life-changing at this point. We shall see.
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Just checking in to wave at everybody and say hi!

I'm still doing NoS plus Weeny Intermittent Fasting. I'm swimming for exercise 2-3 x a week plus a Sun Salutation with 30 second plank daily. So on a steady course there.

I find the modified fasting helps with No S because it seems to provide the next level in terms of what I see called appetite correction. My son has been eating 2 meals a day and he has gotten much, much trimmer. He just picked at his linguine tonight-- said it was delicious but took it home to eat tomorrow. My husband looks thinner as well. I've lost some fat, but no real weight.

And that's where I enter a trigger warning, for those who don't want to read about backing off on weight loss. But I'm kinda ready to back off on weight loss. I don't think I eat too much or terrible food, by my definition of either. I don't see me trimming my intake much more, or changing the type of foods I eat dramatically. I eat 80% whole foods, not too bad on sugar. I don't typically snack, S days or not, and if I do it's still in that 8 hour window. Even though my weight is really high, borderline obese, I just don't see myself doing more in terms of food. I say this from a place of being fairly happy with my body, although I don't like how I look in pictures and I'm not thrilled with my BP which has edged up. At 5'8" and fairly active, I'm just not into the idea of living on 1400 or 1500 calories though I know many middle aged folk do just that. (My poor dad who's my height and forty pounds heavier subsists on 1000.) The one motivation I'm not ready to give up on is trying to set an example for my daughter. So maybe in January I will consider a harder push for a few weeks and then see if I can maintain it.

B at 10: 1.5 whole wheat pita pizzas
L at 2: package of peanut m&ms and the beef from an Arby's slider on the way home (no one will believe my whole foods claim LOL-- MIL in the hospital with a fall/broken shoulder + the office manager at my husband's practice is unexpectedly out for the week = schedule blown up)
D at 6 Carraba's: piece of bread and olive oil, lentil soup, cup of coffee with cream and sugar, half a serving of chicken marsala and sauteed broccoli

Yesterday I ended up not eating dinner, because I ate a lot at 10 and 2 and I just wasn't hungry. I fasted 19 hours pretty comfortably and I'm happy about that, because when I started NoS three quarters of a year ago, five or six hours about killed me Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been at the point for most of my ride on No S of feeling like there wasn't much reason to want a lower weight because I wasn't going to do anything different anyway. I WAS willing to keep adjusting my eating for other reasons, though, mostly to try to cooperate with hunger or lack of it, but that is still a learning process and it wasn't linear.

Have a great December!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I have been off work since I left my job at the end of the school year last year. I subbed for the first time today. Shopping day is tomorrow and that meant I had to put together a makeshift lunch-- homemade baked beans, an apple and cheese. I didn't get to eat until 1230. Did fine with that (big improvement over pre-S days). But I came home at 3:30 and proceeded to tear through three pieces of French Toast, a sweet milky coffee, 2 squares of chocolate and some peanuts. Oh, and the last of the lemon curd! I need better dietary defaults! I ended up not eating dinner, which is less than ideal because dinner is important social time with my DD and DH. I slept okay, felt fine. So let's see, what if anything did I learn from this:

Don't lead with a meal with sweet tastes-- sort of a snowball rolling downhill effect.

On the bright side, I was able to close up shop after that second meal without particular difficulty.

Trying to figure out my meals so they work. I prefer to eat at regular times because I think it's better for me mentally and physically but of course I can't always do that. I've been aiming for 10, 2, and 6. I don't really need three whole meals, more like 2.5. Can't quite make it on two yet though I would like to get there.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been noticing this weird urge to proselytize. Not sure what's up with that. I'm not thin, so I don't think I will gather much of an audience <G>. Maybe among the perimenopausal suffering hot flashes (now peri again, I guess. After 6 months I got another and quite real visitation of what we in college used to call Uncle George. Sorry for TMI!)

So from No S I got a lot of peace around food and normal mealtime hunger, instead of being yanked around by the sight of sweets and snack foods. I also got a drop in my A1C to the high normal range after being prediabetic. Thanks to some sources mentioned by Linda and Oolala, I lengthened my overnight fast to 14-16 hours. My hot flashes just stopped. Like, gone, from several an hour. I had to drop my Synthroid dose. My appetite is different. My pants need a pin again, though I haven't lost much weight. Food is so joyful. I *love* meals, they are *so* fun, instead of an argument with myself about what I should be eating. I often didn't feel awesome before and I was thinking I had to eliminate some food or other. I'm thinking now the main thing was giving my digestion a rest. I don't have biliary pain like I used to and my reflux is better. I don't get the mouth sores I used to get unless I took B complex religiously.

Some notes to self:

1. At meals, don't open with sweet. Seems to help with hunger if I eat that in the middle or the end. (I try to keep major desserts for S days, but I think I do better when I'm okay with sugar on my oatmeal or some chocolate.)

2. Sweet tastes like gum between meals seems to make me hungrier. Diet soda, alas, definitely has this effect. I still have it once or twice a week with a meal and just recognize the weird desire to eat after lunch as a diet soda tax.

3. Hunger does pass. I'll get busy and forget about it. It isn't the EAT NOW OR ELSE message I used to get. I felt this way on South Beach, but not eating bread was so sad. I get the same freedom now without having to give up bread. Yay!

4. Still working on meal timing. I think 2 meals a day would be best most days but I am having trouble getting it right. I'm ready for a hearty brunch at 11:30, but I can't always make it till 6 for dinner. If I eat at 10,2 and 6, I end up eating dinner when I am not really hungry. The other day I ended up skipping dinner which is socially not the best. I have a teenaged daughter and I have to be a little careful about the messages I'm sending. I'll keep working on it.

Swam Wednesday and did Zumba yesterday. Today I think I will stay in by the fire, nurse my daughter who has a cold, and kind of stick with the Red Tent <G>.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems you could afford to have a small snack, something un-dense like an apple, a couple of hours before dinner. When I've failed with something like that, I found that hunger came back in a relatively short time. Alternately, you could save something from your brunch to have for that snack and see if it works to tide you over.

Otherwise, good good good for you!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay glad you're having some luck with the fasting. It seems to help a lot of ppl with menopausal symptoms. My reflux is 90% better and I'm off my hardcore meds!

In my IF group, they talk a lot about clean fasts. So no gum, artificial flavors or sweeteners, no mints because these things. An all spike your insulin and will cause you to be more hungry. Just black coffee or tea.

Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ate what I expected to be BF at ten this morning. I was hungry, had 2 1/2 small square pita pockets with pizza toppings, a piece of leftover French toast, a milky coffee and 2 cookies (ahem)-- about 850 calories worth, I figure? And I was stuffed. Like, in distress stuffed. Like, could not consider food again until 5:30 pm stuffed. Decided to have some peanuts and a banana and I will eat something with DH and daughter at 7. I've had a couple of days where I've only had one meal. I would much rather eat at regular times but my appetite is really changing and I don't want to eat when not hungry. Ah well, I'll get it figured out.

I am working part time this year & I seem to have a little too much time to ruminate. I feel like I've been more anxious/sad than is usual for me. There is some significant role change stuff going on and of course my hormones are wonky. I'm going to make a conscious effort to back off on reading my current favorite topic, IF/weight loss/health stuff. I am looking forward to some lovely family & friend times this weekend and over Christmas.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Larkspur, I think I was doing my very first check-in when you did your last post. I can relate to your feelings. I too have cut back on work recently, and have had times when I've been anxious and low. Having that time to ruminate can bring on these moods. I hope it will pass for you, as it has for me. Just wanted to send you good wishes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Octavia! I worked today and enjoyed it, in spite of a tummy ache. I kept to a window (not No S, but a helpful mod from IF) 10-6. But I didn't worry about meal structure because Tummy. Feeling better, yay.

I talked to my dad who watched the Jason Fung talk on obesity. I'd sent him an article (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140515184424.htm)
and he has done 2 meals for the last week. He lost weight and was really pleased because he had less hunger/cravings than before. He thought he'd have trouble sleeping but he's done fine. No snacking for the win Smile
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