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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thursday, Jan 18

B: One piece of bacon, coffee w/milk
L: black bean soup
D: chili --
wine

Today was a victory. I took my kids to the ice cream parlor to celebrate because one of my kiddos had mastered his times tables through 12's. They both had ice cream in front of me, and I had to resist and order chili instead of a burger. I did it!!! And barely suffered. Smile

I feel great. As many here repeat, "You'll never regret passing on the snack/seconds/treats. You often will regret indulging."

Saturday will be here before I know it. In the meantime, I want to feel this way --moderate and satiated, not bloated and guilty.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday!
B: milky coffee
L: corn tortillas & beans
D: date night: steak mulatas & elota (corn on the cob with mayonnaise & chili pepper)
Victory! 😁
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a yummy day. I’m so impressed at how hour food choices have changed over the years. I remember you used to describe your diet as being “like a teenage boy” and seemed reluctant to give it up. Guess something changed for you along the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda -- I know!!!! I can't believe it either. I guess that the desire to avoid regret is now greater than the desire to eat however I want. I think that health concerns were the final tipping point for me, rather than any logical knowledge of what good nutritional choices are.

I have noted, though, that my willingness to change what's on the plate only extends to avoiding refined carbs..... not yet to increasing salads & veggies. But just as this step couldn't be rushed (apparently, haha), I'm not ready to move to the more veggies/salads step until I'm ready. And it's not even that I don't like vegges and salads! I do! I just hate making them (and buying stuff that goes bad in the fridge). Anyhoo, maybe the day will come.

Thanks for stopping by. I've missed you and I'm glad you're swinging in here from time to time. It seemed like right when I came back you were about to start a hiatus from the boards. So I'll be glad whenever I do "see" you around here.

Saturday: 140.2 lbs/ bmi 25.2

Thinking that I need to make alcohol (wine actually) an S. Argh. It's a nemesis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saturday

B: bacon, egg, cheese sandwich; latte
L: popcorn, milkshake, steak (how's that for a curious meal)?
D: McD's -- burger & fries

Sunday

B: donut, coffee w/milk
L: nachos - pico de gallo, beans, guacamole, cheese, tortilla chips
D: lasagne, caesar calad with homemade dressing (had seconds of THAT), and two cookies
1 glass of wine

Two pretty heavy S Days.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monday
B: bacon
L: peanuts & cashews & an apple
D: turkey & potatoes, tortilla chips and salsa & hummus -- a technical fail -- virtual plating I think I overdid + the turkey gravy I suspect had added sugar

Tuesday, the 23rd
B: bacon & eggs, coffee with milk
L: corn tortillas with steak and chicken
D: madras lentils
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless one of your mods is no sugar at all I'm not sure a bit of sugar in gravy would count as a fail (unless you'd routinely eat gravy as a dessert??)

The virtual plating might depending on the size of your plates Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep my mod is no refined carbs on N days.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wednesday, Jan 24th

B: few bites of eggs, coffee with milk
L: peanuts, cashews & apple
D: tortillas w/chicken, tomatoes, arugula, cheese, onions & pesto (YUM) -- fam had pita bread; I substituted corn tortillas. Good thing I love them.
wine
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good!

Admiring of your no-refined-carbs mod. I don't think I'm there yet, but it looks like a good mod.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larkspur -- it took me FOUR years of NoSing to get to a point where the desire to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure maintained outweighed my desire to eat refined carbs, at least on N days, haha -- I definitely need the release valve for the weekends.

Thursday, Jan 25th
B: coffee w/milk
L: rice, quinoa & tuna fish
D: beef, cheese, black beans, & corn (fam had spaghetti, so I just used the ground beef for my meal)
wine
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday, Jan 26th

B: oatmeal w/pb
L: very late, I was hungry, only place was a fancy pizza place. I had to turn down gourmet-style pizza at an upscale restaurant and instead I chose the soup & salad -- both loaded with kale & yummy veggies. That said, I suspect there was sugar in the dressing and in the broth of the soup. Oh well! I say I succeeded beautifully under the HIGHLY tempting circumstances. (note: I have a mod of no added sugar on N days)
D: very late again!!! It was BINGO night at my son's school, so there was free popcorn and italian sodas. Had to pass that up. But there's more! On the drive home (8pm), my husband went through the McD's drive-through. The smell of french fries filled the car. But I waited. And then at home had my leftover black beans & corn from last night.

What a day of victories! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job Auto!!! Victory for sure!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: victories, I'll say!

Would whole wheat be refined? Just wondering because of the corn tortillas... which I, too, eat while limiting bread of any kind to only a few times a week. I do sometimes miss the artisan whole wheat bread from Trader Joe's. But it had that effect of making me want to tear out the innards of half the loaf to half gorge on and butter and warm the rest. I usually save the flour items for social occasions, though I'm not a purist even at that. In my mind, I make up for it by actually cooking and eating the whole kernel versions of oats and rye, as well as barley, which not many people I've met do.

Aren't I (BIG I) the saint. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi oolala --

I contemplated the whole bread thing quite a bit, and ended up thinking that whole wheat bread with no added sugar would be fine.

But I find it VERY challenging to find a store-bought bread that doesn't have added sugar! I mean, really? Is it in (virtually) all of the breads?

So I could make my own. Ha, any reader of my thread knows that it would take me 20 years to get ready for that. Haha But since I enjoy corn tortillas and they are always on hand, that's what I'm going with.

And I've never been a big sandwich fan.

So, in short, I could have no-sugar added whole wheat bread during the week and still be following my no-refined-carb mod.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

140.4 pounds/BMI 25.7
Sat
B: bacon, eggs, & hashbrowns; coffee with milk
L: Quarter pounder & fries
D: milkshake, few pieces of chocolate

Sun
B: bacon, eggs & hashbrowns & toast; coffee with milk
L: popcorn & doritos; more pieces of chocolate; diet pepsi
D: pizza
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get it. If the flour is made from the original whole grain, you don't consider it refined. Fair enough.

And yes, there is sugar in just about everything, though it can be a very small fraction of the total. Much less than in a piece of fruit but without any of the bennies, admittedly. I understand the draw of the experiment. I sometimes flirt with the idea of giving up my stevia to see if the thrill of sweets would go away, but it's still not painful enough to compare to ripping off that bandaid, as pitiful as that sounds. I'll just keep living with the tradeoff.

Have a great hump N day.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I had a (mod) fail today. My 12 yo son procrastinated on a project and I did not help him -- so he ended up staying up late last night and getting up early. Then our printer didn't work, so I drove him to print it before school. Then had to go back home, get my other kid, and take him to the babysitter's house (we have started homeschooling my 8 yo, at his request -- it is making life fairly WILD right now, but I haven't shared much about it yet on this thread). Anyway, I'm too tired to explain the whole morning ordeal but basically I blew up at the kids. Then on the way to drive one of them to school, we went through coffee drive through and I -- very intentionally -- decided to fail and get myself some carbolicious pick-me-ups. I chose an egg sandwich, so it could have been worse, but the croissant was definitely (and deliciously) refined.

B: egg sandwich, latte
L: almonds, apple
D: corn, black beans, chicken, corn tortillas, sour cream
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You figured the egg sandwich had sugar in it, so you might as well go for the latte... Completely understand.

Thank you for not helping your son. Oh, the times i have gotten work from kids and just knew parents helped a LOT or just plain did the whole thing. Awkward when it went back with a C. Thankfully the parent didn't follow the directions or obviously couldn't really know what the assignment was supposed to really be about, since it was often based on class work done over a period of time. They of course could never call and protest.

AND thank you for going to the print place rather than show up saying, the printer didn't work AT THE LAST MINUTE.

So, Thursday and Friday will be greeeen.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thursday

oolala -- lattes aren't cheats for me! Smile no flavoring, and milk sugar is OK in my "no refined carbs" mod.

B: oatmeal w/pb, coffee with milk
L: black beans, corn, chicken, sour cream, tortillas
D: not very hungry, so I might not? We'll see.

I'm kind of losing my mind. This has certainly happened in the past (generally once a year I go a bit cray-cray). As in, feel like either crying or screaming or swearing at most times. So, on the one hand it feels familiar. On the other hand, it still startles me that I can go from somewhat normal to feeling completely out-of-control.

There's usually a trigger. This time the trigger was MOST DECIDEDLY the unexpected decision to homeschool my 3rd grader. He's had a rough year, poor kid -- 3 different teachers (don't even ask....), and I think a couple kids in the class have been really mean to him (I'm still trying to figure out that piece of the puzzle). Anyway, this little guy knew we had homeschooled his older brother until 3rd grade, and so he asked if that could be an option for him. My husband and I discussed it and decided to give it a 2-week trial. I kind of figured he'd decide school was more fun. But no. 2 weeks in and he was still loving it. So here we are, about a month in to this venture. My emotions have been ROLLER-COASTER. Everything bad you've ever thought about homeschooling? I torture myself with those fears. So please be gentle if you comment (which is probably why I haven't posted this yet -- I'm afraid people will be like, "dude, what are you thinking? Put the kid back in school and you won't be crazy anymore!!!"). The first week was hell as I tried to reconnect with the old homeschooling networks and find childcare. My husband and I rearranged a juggling schedule so that one of us is home most of the time.

But we believe in what we are doing. My little 8 year old has already relaxed so much, stopped having nightmares, is happy in his world of inventions, board games, and art. He still gets to play with a variety of kids every week, but he doesn't seem to crave the daily social interaction (and leadership opportunities, haha) like his older brother does. And one other thing: I have always loved homeschooling -- it was a joy for me until the workload overwhelmed me and I put the kids in school 3 years ago. And that was with my defiant older son!!!

Of everyone in the house, I think the dog is happiest because he's rarely home alone anymore. Laughing

I keep thinking about quitting my job. I already have the most flexible, greatest job on the planet. I feel like a freaking schmuck for wanting to quit. The double income allows us to sign the kids up for sports, hobby classes, and take little trips. I need it to help pay for possible college; and obviously for retirement, etc. And knowing me, I would really miss the mental challenge and the deep intellectual pursuits.

My husband says for me to not do anything rash; but instead wait for next fall, when I will no longer have the (3 years of hellish) admin duties, and his schedule will also be much more sane. He says just wait to see if I still feel the same way then. So. Wise advice, but when I'm in one of my cray-cray times, it's hard to be rational.

Oh, gosh. This thread is such a funny journal of my life. The closest thing to a diary I've kept in decades.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big hugs. For what it’s worth I think you’re doing the right thing. I once did a group project on homeschooling expecting to prove our theory that homeschoolers were at a social disadvantage. We were young and opinionated. Well we were surprised to find out that our belief about homeschool kids were largely myths. They turned out just as socially competent as other kids or more so. Anyway you probably knew that but every child is so different and you have to find out what’s going to work best for them.

I’ve never believed in making a kid stick it out even though he’s miserable. Instead why not teach him to think out of the box and find a solution that brings him happiness and peace. Right?

It sounds like the adjustment phase in trying to figure how to make it all work is pretty tough but I know you guys will find a way to make it work. PS one of the reasons I don’t want a full time job is because I hate the thought of leaving the dogs home all day long. They’re such social creatures. Hang in there.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Auto! Good for you for homeschooling your younger son! It sounds like it was the right decision for him. I hope you’re able to figure out some of the details, so it’s not as crazy. As for the job, you definitely have to do what is right for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking an S Day -- husband's birthday

B: coffee with milk
L: tortillas w/ beans & cheese & sour cream
desserts: 3 chocolates, 2 pieces of licorice, and 1 chocolate chip cookie
D: we are going out! Elota (mexican corn-on-the-cob); onion burger & garlic fries
wine

Oh, gosh I ate too much last night.

Then this morning (S Day) I started off my morning with 2 chocolate chip cookies that my son made a couple of days ago. Embarassed I guess it is an S Day, but I can tell my body is eating more than it needs to.

Here's to a saner today and tomorrow (what am I even thinking? Tomorrow is the Super Bowl & family celebration for hubby bday). Some sanity? Maybe?

B: after the cookies, lol - bacon, eggs, hashbrowns, coffee with milk
L: latte
snacks/sweets: chocolate chip cookie, a big handful of sour patch kids (grrr, my 12 yo bought them for tomorrow's big game)
D: shoot I've already eaten a lot today! All I can say is -- it's an S day and it was a crazy wild week. I'm not going to beat myself up about it!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you suspect that the "pain" of eating too much S food is likely greater than the pain you will go through wanting to eat but not doing it, it becomes possible to make the effort. In my case, and yours may be different, the difficulty of holding out against the S urges on S days was harder than no S's on N days, but it was also more gratifying.

And it may also become your experience as time goes on that you will go through Super Bowl day eating only enough S's for fun, and not bloat. Sounds surreal, I know! But you are on your way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a kinder approach to excessive S-days is in the end more productive than wallowing in remorse. At least one doesn't have to binge to fix the hard feelings!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh. Yes, I will try to be kind.

I don't have a history of massive craziness on my S Days, but this last weekend was BAD.

Sunday

B: sour patch kids?! and mike & ikes!? coffee w/milk
L: pizza (like 5 pieces)
D:ice cream cake
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, recrimination after the fact leads to feelings of resentment and rebellion against the "taskmaster." McGonigal found that those who had indulged who came to believe that "everyone does it" and "you'll be better next time were less likely to overeat later. But ANTICIPATING feeling regret or recrimination BEFORE a person gives ALSO leads to more compliance. We're nuts!

Maybe you're reaching your extinction burst. Sometimes there will be a real push from the neuro progamming to keep the person doing the habit. Holding out often took them over the peak, and things got easier. But these things are not always linear.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I survived Monday! Extinction burst, hehe that is funny. Like I'm a toddler holding out for candy. Too true.

145 pounds this morning -- I post this just as a reality check that a) I overate this past weekend; and b) holy cow pizza makes me retain water!

B: coffee w/milk
L: cashews, almonds, apple
D: chicken with some parmesan & a piece of toast w/butter

And now it's 3:30 in the morning; I've been up for 3 hours with insomnia. I slept great from 9pm-12:30. Then no more. I held out for a couple hours before grabbing my laptop. You can only hope to fall asleep for so long. I do hope to get 2 more hours of sleep tonight!! Yikes!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my sleep life for several years. But it's been wacky for 20+years.

I will caution you to try to find something else other than the laptop to look at as the light is more "awakening" than a printed page. Or you can listen to stuff without looking at the screen. Soft=spoken podcasts or youtube videos. Ear phones if you don't want anyone else to hear. I've had good luck falling asleep before the end of the cast most of the time.

Pizza will definitely do that. It is one of the perfect storms of "reward value" via the salt and of bloat afterwards. Will we eat it again? We sure will.
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The podcast idea is a very good one! I often fall asleep during them even when I don't want to sleep, ha!

Kind of a weird day. Stressful, lots of different things to juggle. But it all ended pretty good. I feel better tonight about my life juggle than I have in a while.

B: coffee with milk, 1 piece of bacon (if you're wondering about the bacon showing up as a lone breakfast item, it's on the mornings my kids don't finish their pancakes & bacon; or bacon & eggs, etc.
L: apple
D: (early dinner/work meeting -- I planned ahead what I would order and wanted to eat during the meeting to avoid dominating the work conversation and improve my listening skills) -- fish tacos
wine when I finally got home! -- well, I'm going to pour a glass as soon as I finish this entry, haha

Looking for recommendations -- good books to read aloud to a squirmy 8-year old boy. As some of you may recall, my first son would let me read for hours to him. We plowed through amazing stuff. My second kiddo is just not ready for the really complex plots. I'll tell you some stuff he's liked, then you tell me some other ideas!!!
*Dory Fantasmagory (all 3 are read and reread and I have pre-ordered the 4th)
*Captain Underpants (which I could do without, but he reads these mostly on his own. Sometimes he begs me to reread the really gross parts).
*all the Bill Peet books
*all the Curious George books
*I suspect he might enjoy some well-written non-fiction. Maybe that's kind of where his head goes? Maybe that's why I haven't found the perfect novel to grab him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

143 just weighed for curiosity sake to see how long until the water weight from the weekend comes off. I should be about 141, so we'll see if I get there by Friday.

B: coffee w/milk
L: dried strawberries, popcorn & almonds
D: tortillas with steak strips, sour cream
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good day. Good homeschool time, good cleaning time, good time at work.

B: coffee with milk, apple slices
L: Madras Lentils with some cheese on top
D: GIANT tuna fish sandwich (thank you for the idea, Tunafishkid), dill pickle, hummus & a few corn tortilla chips. And I will probably have a glass of wine with my hubby when he gets home.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted a long response to your question on my thread but may have forgotten what your work actually is while you're homeschooling.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How was the tuna sandwich? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuna Fish Sandwich was awesome. Smile Haven't had one in so long and it was a great option for me since I was getting tired of corn tortillas & beans.

Oolala, I read your reply on your thread (thank you!) and you were right about my job. I am a teacher, but I teach college, so my hours are more flexible than a high school teacher. I go in to teach my classes (and have arranged babysitting for those times), then get out of there as soon as possible unless I have requisite meetings that day or other only-can-do-on-campus work.

Flexible schedules are both a bomb and a bust, in my opinion. Talk about bringing your work home. I have no divide/boundary between my work and home life. However, that really ramped up 3.5 years ago when I became the Division Chair. I will finish out that role in June, and next year just be a teacher again!

My husband is supportive, but he thinks I need to hang on until next year and give it one quarter just being "regular" again before making any decisions. That's what all my colleagues and friends suggest too. I'm sure they are right, but it doesn't stop me from daydreaming about quitting. I have various options, I suppose:

*Quit
*reduce to 80% contract
*apply for sabbatical
*take a leave of absence.

Reducing the contract sounds good but my gut tells me that the workload rarely reduces with the pay cut, if you know what I mean. Apply for sabbatical -- I think I will, but it's scary competitive, and I doubt my submission of sabbatical work as "don't think about this place at all for a quarter" will be chosen, haha. Seriously, I should try that though. If I don't get sabbatical, I could, with admin/HR approval, take a leave of absence for up to a year without losing my job.

I absolutely think that even though my kids are 12 and 8 right now, that I am experiencing a similar emotional pull to stay at home and nest that new moms do. Most likely because I homeschooling one of them and the juggle has gotten wild(er); and also because like oolala said, I am keenly aware of the needs of tweens and I want to be emotionally present and available for my kiddos as they go through adolescence and high school.

On top of everything is the guilt that I am letting my co-workers down by not being on campus 40 hours a week right now. Many of them have issues they want to talk about (but don't feel comfortable putting in an email), so when I do show up, they swamp me and I know they must have been looking for me earlier..... that's not fair to them. Everybody else is crunched too.

I think a reasonable approach is to:
a) begin living more frugally NOW, before the consequences of overspending on any given month hurt us (aha, maybe a reopening of my old system, NoSpending?)
b) Put aside the freaking guilt for the rest of this quarter. Over the course of my time at this job, I have had so many 60 hour weeks it's crazy. And some 80 hour ones, too. So my colleagues can handle 4 more weeks of not having me super accessible (they can always email and I respond in minutes!)
c) Depend on my husband's flexibility next quarter to save the day. He will only be teaching afternoons/evenings next quarter so HE can be the one at home with our homeschooled son in the day! I can get the basic homeschooling done by 10am and then head in for the rest of the day.
d) Apply for sabbatical next fall -- if I get it, it isn't until the following year (2020), though. Actually, maybe I can start working on my application right now!! That might provide some satisfaction for the part of me that likes daydreaming about getting a break from this place.
e) If I don't get sabbatical, I can talk with my boss and HR to plan for a leave of absence (2019 or 2020). They won't like it (who can blame them?) but I think I can talk them into it. My leave could be up to a year, but maybe by then I will not feel as crazy like I need a whole year.

In closing, since this is not just my personal journal but others do sometimes read it, I apologize if I sound very much like a complainer or that I take for granted my wonderful life. But I have always loved this thread of mine, it's such a joy to have a place to vent. And when I last came back to the thread more regularly, I LOVED reading back through from the beginning and seeing how my life changed and my kids changed, etc. I like this record, I guess. Even though I leave off names and specifics, in a way that kind of forces me to get to the gist of what's bothering me instead of giving inordinate amounts of details!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your options sound very reasonable. I don't believe at all that you take your life or granted, but it is true that being a college teacher ranks pretty high for job satisfaction-when it's the teaching. And really, since there are actually so few outlets for jobs that provide non-mainstream environments, it is a "catch" in the career pool of fish. (Ha, I think I just saw what it means for a spouse to be a "catch"!) It does seem like your vision is clouded by the extra projects you've taken on. (In my previous school, being department head was something everyone avoided! A burden. At this school, when I first came, dept. heads got an hour off from teaching, yet there was one teacher who seemed to have a lock on it. She went to another site but by then, no more free hour. I'm pretty sure it's not compensated, yet it seem s some people still want to do it. I guess it looks good on a resume.

I sometimes compare my job to working in a coal mine. It probably is true that some people short change themselves, but I think it's also true that judgement, intellectual, creative jobs are just darn competitive. People during the Industrial Revolution probably wanted to quit their jobs, too, but their options were not Oprah-show options. Sad

Also, I was just going to say how this forum seems to meet some kind of need so many of us have to mull over our thoughts and not just to ourselves. I mean, we could just be keeping journals in a Word doc, but we don't. I remember being told a couple of decades ago to journal on my eating issues, and I never did it. But in essence that's what I've done here- and in spades!
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I am very grateful I do not work in a coal-mine!

I cleaned houses during college, and truthfully, I loved that job. However, I had the option of only doing it part-time, and being able to exercise myself mentally in my schoolwork. That was a nice mix of physical and mental balance in my worklife, I guess.

And I totally agree about the -- we could be journaling in a Word doc! I think the community is key here.

Saturday -- a partially wild/partially weird S Day composed of the worst type of grazing but at least the quantities were not insane

141.6 (I apparently gained an entire pound last week when I had a big Friday fail, and then gorged Sat & Sun -- most of the water weight came off, but some extra friendly triglycerides stayed around)

BB (before Breakfast?) -- ate a piece of See's chocolate and 1/2 a brownie. Now, in my defense (haha why do I feel the need to defend, dang it?!) -- we had bought my husband a box of 12 See's chocolates A WEEK AGO!! And the stinker let them sit there all week. Every day I resisted. So Saturday morning I finally had one. I was wary of the brownie but it was delicious. One of my husband's students had made it, and -- true story -- one time a student gave me marijuana brownies!!!!!! I had no idea. I do now and I am highly suspicious of brownies in general, haha
B: Egg Bites from Starbucks w/ a plain latte on my way up to hike with the dog. That was nice, and seemed like I was starting my day in a reasonable fashion...... but then
L? D? like, I grazed all day. I think I ate bits of: Doritos, chicken nuggets, mac & cheese, MORE See's chocolates, drank wine, and watched Olympics.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunday S Day

B: bacon, eggs & hashbrowns; coffee w/milk
L: Pizza snacks, Doritos, Diet Pepsi, apple
D: Nachos with all the works

I'm excited to share a frugality plan for the next 30 days. I finished my taxes, and we owe a lot of money! That combined with my "want to quit" freak-out has gotten me really focused on bringing our spending under control.

So my whole family has agreed to a 30-day cash only plan. If we want anything online, we will put it in the Amazon "cart" but wait until the 30 days are up.

After the 30 days..... I'm exploring some ways to limit spending at Costco & on Amazon once the 30 days are up. I was disappointed to discover that if I buy a Costco cash card I don't get the $$ back deal. I am going to see if I can buy an Amazon gift card and still get my 5% back. Probably not, but I'll check. The gift cards would give me budgeted amounts that would help provide a boundary each month.

Update -- yes it is possible to "reload" an Amazon gift card and still take advantage of the 5% back! It just adds the 5% to the gift card amount. So that will be a VERY good way for us to limit expenses. Now I just need to go through my budget and determine what is a good upper limit for monthly Amazon spending.

I just got back from grocery shopping for the week (after making a menu this morning) -- $81 I mostly stuck to my list, except for some expensive fruit that the kids will actually snack on; felt worth it to me. I also bought wine with the intent that it has to last the whole week -- no stops after work to pick it up.

And I messed around with my YNAB app on my phone. I've never use the app before; rather, I just have the computer version. But it allowed me to enter my purchase immediately rather than rely on memory or just enter once a week. I think once we go back to using the credit card that the immediate entry will be a good way to "check" and reign in the impulse spending. Makes it a little more painful, which is what I need right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had very little income, and no cards, I relied on the amount of cash in my wallet. There is nothing like seeing the money physically disappear to limit spending.

Nowadays, I don't have a credit card, but use a debit card for payments. I usually put in enough in my card account to cover my expected expenditure for that month. That works for me, but I have never liked being in debt, and I only have to control my own spending.

I suspect that impulse spending may involve some of the same brain circuits that are involved in impulse eating. That yen for an immediate little boost.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lower brain: Let's get stuff!
PFC: Let's just wait!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monday, Feb 12th

143.9
I weighed again on Monday to see the weekend damage (in this case, 2 pounds). I know that's not my "true" weight, if you get my drift, but I'm curious to see how long it takes to get back down. If I go by last week, I weighed 145 Monday morning and was down to 141.9 by Friday or Saturday morning. So 3 pounds different, although I ended the week 1 pound up from my previous low. So I think it's entirely possible for me to gain a pound from 6000 extra calories if I have wild S Days and maybe a Friday fail/overeat heavy food. If I only get down to 142.9 by Friday, I'll have gained another pound. Calm curiosity.
Update: weighed this morning and already back down to 141.4. So water weight came off quickly this week.

B: latte
L: popcorn, fruit & veggies
D: hamburger, cheese & sour cream bowl
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My weekend weight was usually gone by Wednesday, with strict plating on Monday and Tuesday.
How did you come up with 6000 extra calories? Do you count/eyeball them?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imogen -- I was just totally estimating that if I somehow really could gain 2 pounds over a 3-day weekend, it would mean eating about 6000 calories more than normal. Not sure if that's really how it works, but I tend to like to speculate about stuff.
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From my calorie counting days, 1 lb = 3500 calories so you'd have to eat that much EXTRA to what you burned off by existing/exercising/activity in order for any weight gain to actually be weight rather than water retention, bloating etc.

It's nice not to have to count that on No S but I'm also mindful of that knowledge - it's hard to eat that many extra calories in a short space of time really but I reckon I could do it if I ate out a few multi-course meals and drank a lot (this is not a personal challenge Laughing)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 6,000 might be enough to overwhelm the body's first reaction of stepping up the burning to try to keep equilibrium. Intake over a month would likely give a more realistic look but it can be hard to "risk" going that long.

By Friday, even if you're still a pound up, there's no way to know from the average home scale whether it's a pound of water or fat.

I haven't been following that closely. Would you remind me how your N days are going?

Are you worried about S days, or just trying to figure out how far you can go and still "get away with it?" Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auto, I don't think you could ever get close to 6000 extra calories. On my wildest, wildest weekends I came to 3000 at most (I diligently counted for some time, even when I was going crazy with food), and you should really see how I binged then.
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I could get close to 3,000 on one S day, but not the next one. Yet, with the RIGHT foods, who knows... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy, my calorie comment sparked some interest! Ha!

I have noticed my S Days have been a bit wilder than they used to be, so I was just kind of doing some wondering. Not any real panic, but I have been a little surprised at myself.

Tuesday
B: coffee w/milk
L: chicken breast & tortilla chips with salsa
D: Grilled Tuna Melt! Another homerun meal!

Wednesday
B: oatmeal w/pb
L: banana, apple, cashews
D: Valentine's S Event: fondue, bread, rack of lamb, & chocolate cheesecake! All wonderful. Passed up some other Sweets & Snacks & felt great limiting my S time to the date itself.

Thursday
142
B: coffee w/milk
L: oatmeal w/pb & blueberries & banana
D: Nachos
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always report your S's on S days.... but I wouldn't have in the first two years! Evil or Very Mad Actually, I've decide to do it now, in my 8th year as a mod.

It's not my devilish idea: I'm pretty sure it's one Reinhard suggested in the "S Days Gone Wild" podcast.

But no one would hold it against you if you didn't use that or any other suggestion. You are doing great as is.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really minded recording S's and I do think it helps me be more aware, so I should do it regularly. I'd think differently if I resented it -- and not force it.

Friday, Feb 16
B: bacon, oatmeal w/pb, blueberries & a banana
L: roast beef sandwich, popcorn
D: - a win in my book. Family got McD's using a Valentine's gift card from Gramma. Ha. I didn't! Had some tortilla chips, pico de gallo, and hummus for dinner. Now a glass of wine.
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Yay for skipping McDs! I’m to the point that just about any fast food makes me ill. I rather just not eat! Hummus sounds like a much better meal!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

142.4

B: bacon egg cheese sandwich, latte
L: doritos, milkshake
Making a conscious effort to not snack today
D: Lasagne, bread & corn
wine

OK, I'm at a weird NoS point. I very purposefully distracted myself and applied some willpower to avoid snacking between lunch and dinner today. I obviously had plenty of refined carbs/sweets at mealtimes, but otherwise, this might count as my first-ever S Day that I imposed some boundaries on myself. And I face a question that I've never yet pondered or felt the need to consider before now: What is the purpose of S Days once habit is firmly established? I've ALWAYS felt that S Days were important as a release valve so that I stay on habit for N Days. I still believe that, but I guess there naturally could come a point when S days become more like N days BY CHOICE, not by RULES. It was finally necessary for me to focus attention on countering the "habit" of grazing on the weekends.

Doesn't it seem reasonable that the "ultimate" S days would be sweets, seconds, OR snacks truly enjoyed (ideally with others amid healthy relationships) -- but not necessarily on every S Day? So I could theoretically plan to avoid snacking on S Days, but if a perfect, joyful snack opportunity came along, then hey -- it IS an S Day, after all? As opposed to an N Day, when I politely decline no matter what.

So, to circle back to answer my original question -- S Days should always be allowed to be a release valve for me. The trick/wisdom/mental fun of the day is because choice & freedom exists. N Days keep it simple so we don't have to haggle with ourselves (which is exhausting, as I can attest to after today!).

Calm curiosity, folks. What will S Day #2 be like?!
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