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TexArk



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reward for the day: I have been emptying files, drawers, etc. and what should I find but a folder full of 1970s Weight Watcher booklets. Yes, even maintenance. Oh my! That was back in the day when I thought I was fat because I weighed 142-150 (at 5'7"). When I started WW in the early 70s I was already at my suggested goal weight of 142 so they set my goal 10 lbs. under that. From then on I lost down to 132 and then back up again and added more each time. And to think, I wasn't even overweight when all this started!!! And yes, all of it went in the trash.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing.

I wonder if we could have been convinced to follow something like No S then. Doubt it. I know I went for a short time to Overeaters Anonymous back in the '80s. It was simply three "moderate" meals a day and no eating in between. I thought they were nuts. Only the fringe element was talking about no sugar then, so the OA people could have dessert at their moderate meals.

Have we talked about Anne Barone, an American who spent about a year, I think, in France as a young woman and lost 55 lbs. learning to eat and think like urban French women? She's 70 now and still dang thin.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick check in. The last month has been a whirlwind. Husband retired. Still moving and clearing out little by little to downsized house. We are 'settled' in house in main living areas, but daily getting rid of what doesn't fit. And we completed a construction project to add a roof to patio. Other house hasn't sold and it may take awhile. Lots of lookers with no complaints about house or price. Real estate is just not selling right now in our community. This is actually a good thing because it gives us more time to clear stuff out. Husband is just starting the process and has to empty out his office by end of summer. Have had way too many special occasions but have held on pretty well. Weight is the same, but considering the opportunities to "go off the rails" May was a survival month. I don't have much time to check in, but aim to try to do so once a day because it helps keep me honest.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very likely I need to tear down my garage and rebuild. There is really only about a third of the stuff that used to be in there, but I want even less in the new one. Why do I keep it? It all just sits there. What would happen if it all got washed away? I probably would not miss a thing. Ok, maybe the boogie board. I wish I had a deadline. What would your husband do about the office if the house sold? Maybe you need to collude with your agent to invent a possible buyer who backs out...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha oolala...good plan
But in his self defense I have been retired for several years because of elderly parent to care for. After my dad passed, I have spent the last 2 years literally getting rid of stuff daily and moving things to this house to see what would work. He is just getting started and actually is letting loose better than I thought he would. It gets easier every time you let go of something. And he is enjoying the space not being packed to the brim in our new place. It is just funny to see each of our priorities. He would rather have books and music and electronics than clothes. I would rather have art and items from travel than clothes so I guess we can be minimalists in our wardrobe now that we don't go to work everyday. He taught at a university where they were expected to dress professionally...necktie required! He has no problem getting rid of clothes. He just hasn't done so in nearly 30 years! He has no plans to part time teach so he is gradually getting rid of all sorts of files. I held on to my teaching stuff for a year or two and then thoroughly enjoyed pitching it!

Anyway...We seem to have an estate sale/auction a week in our town. The children or nieces and nephews just let it all go and are done with it. I guess we are just in phase I.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

still moving stuff out and still showing the house regularly...no offers so far...but not much is selling here right now so don't feel rejected.

staying on 3 meals and NoS but have been cutting back on calories...the 70 yr old body just can't have very much...so have been loading up on the veggies and upping fiber and trying to enjoy feeling light (aka hungry).

weighed and have lost about 8 lbs or so since I started back on NoS the middle of February...most of this after eating low cal and lots of veggies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoo, boy, on another site, just for the heck of it, I used a calorie estimator. Per the poster's recommendation, I regarded myself as sedentary. Sure, I have days with 12,000 steps, but also days with 300, so I err on the side of caution. To get the proverbial 2 lbs. a week- a young woman's game if I ever heard of one- I would have to average 400 calories a day. I guess I could go on a cruise with no meds for motion sickness, but what would happen when I returned? Probably the same thing that happened after I had mild altitude sickness (symptom: loss of appetite) while in the Andes. Massive refeeding.

May I ask what percentage of your weight 8 lbs. is? It'sokay if you'd rather not say. Or did I already ask?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think I was about 200 lbs. when I started back on track in February, so a loss of 8 pounds would be 4%, right? I am sure things will really slow down from here on., even though this is still a loss of about 1/2 pound a week average. Ha Ha...your 400 calories a day to lose 2 pounds a week is a hoot.

When I relax, don't pay attention, and quit weighing, my weight will go right up to its highest which is about 204. It stays there and seems quite content. I have watched this for years and really to maintain at about 160 requires averaging 1200 calories daily. I realize that is a "diet" amount of food for most people. But if I really up the vegetables I can do it. I hate to share this because I don't want younger people to starve themselves, but to lose I really do have to average around 1000 calories a day. And as you can see, that is still about 1/2 pound loss a week.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People don't like the "diet" amounts, but I've reversed my ideas about them since reading so much about IF and its advantages. Starvation is really a misnomer. It doesn't make sense to talk about starving when there's plenty of reserves to feed from. It's just a matter of creating the conditions to nudge the body into using them.

I think it's funny that some doctors will say they worry about a patient not getting enough nutrients when intake is low. Good golly, when I was compulsively overeating, it wasn't on freggies! I was overeating but it's doubtful I was getting many real nutrients.
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Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but harder to maintain)
Dec/17 23.8

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha....Yes, I think I have plenty of reserves to pull from. I have always had the experience that I do not lose weight unless I really eat lots and lots of veggies. I do need that feeling of being full and having some time over my meal to chew for awhile, too. And it is working. I have now lost 10 pounds since eating low calorie NoS which is a little over 2 pounds a month.

I am still following the NoS plan and on S Days just splurge a little extra on fresh fruit (we have fresh strawberries, blackberries, and peaches locally).

So I am eating 4 cups of leafy greens, lots of fresh tomatoes an cucumbers and squash with a little chicken or tuna thrown in the salad. In the evening I usually fix at least 3 cups of frozen Normandy blend veggies. For this 30 day period I have been recording food and calories in my fitness pal. I think I have a good feel for it again and will drop this next month. My average calorie intake is about 1000 a day. Some days I go up to 1200 and others about 900. I am also walking my daughter's dog about 30 minutes a day.

We are showing the house several times a week and have turned down one offer that was contingent on the buyer selling her house. (also lowballed the price). Next week I have blood work done and we shall see what the numbers are. I don't think I can maintain this low a calorie intake forever but I think I will have to stay at about 1200 average to maintain and this regimen is helping me see how to do that and be satisfied.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's actually natural to have some periods of lower food intake even while keeping to the basic rhythm of meals. This is the perfect time of year for lighter, water-rich foods, as Barbara Rolls of Volumetrics fame, calls them. I like how they lengthen the meal, too. If I were eating the same number of mouthfuls ofdense foods for the same amount of time, hoo boy. Most overweight people eat the same amount in half the time.

How much we can stick to long term is such a mind game, though I guess small plates are supposed to help counteract being very conscious about it. I've been shopping in thrift stores for some smaller clear ones I like that I can put over my regular ones, whose color I just really like. I'm going to see if just filling the plate to the edge of the clear part works. I can't seem to make myself leave a border clear. But these days, a lot of meals are just the dense foods over a bed of greens and other veggies in a shallow soup bowl with a wide rim. It's all just jumbled together. I like them, and think I do a better job than a lot of restaurants, which is why I don't often order the meal salads out. Side salads are so puny to me, esp. for the price.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:

I think it's funny that some doctors will say they worry about a patient not getting enough nutrients when intake is low. Good golly, when I was compulsively overeating, it wasn't on freggies! I was overeating but it's doubtful I was getting many real nutrients.


Laughing Isn't that the truth?! (As a culture, we seem to really be afraid about not eating. It's interesting.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMI: 31.9 at highest (after Christmas, 2016)
Current BMI: 29

Weight: Lost 19 pounds from highest

I am not sure what my weight was at the beginning of my commitment to NoS, but the good news is that it is going down. I have been following NoS consistently since the middle of February. It took at least a month to get the habit in place and then this summer I have gone to very low calorie while there are plenty of fresh vegetables and fruits to fill up on. The calorie count is low and beginning in August I will see what I can add. I am thinking that my N Days will have to be the same, but I think I can up the calories some on S Days. The average is what I will need to adjust.

Eating plan:
NoS in place
5 fish meals a week, 3 beef meals
4 cups raw veggies daily (large salad with protein added)
limit added fats to 2T daily (some days 1 T)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I was down even less than that at this point in my history. I did have some looow days at times, but not to lose more.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: August Update Reply with quote

I am posting some data here for my own analysis.

Started NoS in Dec of 2008. My weight was about 176. I went up and down with my weight but began to establish the habits. However, by October of 2010 I was up to 204. I cut back on calories and lost down to the 150s for awhile.
Then I started gaining again.

2013: January 171.6 gradually down in Sept. to 161.3 But by beginning of December up to 172 again.
2014: February 183.2 and stayed in the 180s until the end of the year.
2015: March 195 and ended year at 190
2016: did not keep weight records but know I got over 200.
2017: started NoS regularly again in February. weight was about 200

2017: August: 184 Loss of 16 pounds in 6 months

Lessons learned:
I need to weigh in every day (I don't call this excessive scale stepping). When I don't weigh in I am in denial. It is obvious that I quit weighing in November about Thanksgiving time and some years did not pick back up again until facing the new year. And then, of course, the entire year of 2015 I did not weigh in. I use the Hacker's Diet website to track weight loss and trends.

My weight wants to trend up. When I was younger I would lose down to my goal weight of 142 and then would return to 10 pounds higher quickly. 150 became my set point I guess. Then it gradually became 162 and then 172. The last decade I found I could hit 200 quickly.

I will always have to address this. I cannot eat the daily calorie recommendations without gaining weight. My maintenance calorie count will probably have to be the same as whatever my daily average is while losing. I need to track my food and it is not burdensome with the online calorie counters. I have been using myfitnesspal and have many of my recipes on file. I also repeat many breakfasts and lunches and that is a quick entry. I have tried using my fingers, palm, thumb, etc. for serving sizes. It is just easier for me to use a digital scale. But because my calorie count needs to be so low, I don't have room for error. I look at this just like a diabetic who might need to track blood sugar. I just have a chronic weight problem that has to be addressed and cannot be ignored.

NoS lessons: S Days can undo all the good of N Days. Every bite counts whether I count it or not. No snacking and no seconds are habits I need even on S Days (for the most part) and sweets can be enjoyed but must be accounted for. NoS has pretty much taken care of binges. Most of them in the past were because I was going to start being good after I cleaned out the house so to speak. NoS is continuing...no starting over.

Exercise lessons: I don't need to be sedentary but I can't really expect more than 30 minutes a day of planned exercise. Any more than that and it really ramps up my hunger and saps my energy. I need my energy to clean house and do all the daily chores of life. I can't devote an hour a day to exercise like I could when I was younger.

Bottom line: Follow NoS, stay connected on discussion board, limit and record calories, eat lots of veggies, weigh in daily, and exercise 30 minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also can't imagine not having to put SOME mental effort into what and how much goes on my plate. Since I cook for myself in batches, it's common for me to use measuring cups to serve myself, and sometimes the kitchen scale, though I have gotten the servings of things that are weighed down pretty well.

When you look back at the times your weight went up, is it obvious in your memory that you were often eating beyond fullness? Were you basically keeping to Vanilla but overdoing plates or S days, or were there a lot of failures? Did you not think you were really eating that much more and were surprised by ? My various times of gain always followed pretty obvious times of overeating, but others say it wasn't so clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes. I can say that my gains came from overeating. It usually started with holiday special occasions. I would get all inspired to bake and that is always a problem. I can handle eating out, eating at other's homes, but when I cook desserts I overindulge if I do not have a plan to give it away. The same goes for making dense comfort foods. A plateful of Mexican food, creamy chicken dishes, a large portion of beef (have a freezer full of grass fed beef) more potatoes, fewer vegetables, more added fat and there I would be. It would still be one plateful, but just way too many calories.

But, I never feel stuffed, as in I can't eat another bite, or I feel sick. I have to embrace feeling "not full" and enjoy feeling "light."

This weekend is going to take some concentration. I am participating in a garage sale Saturday morning (moving sale), have a wedding that afternoon, then have to cook food including a dessert for a potluck on Sunday and also have to prepare food for a wedding shower Sunday evening. It is a fully loaded food weekend. It is these kinds of events even though they are on S Days that have to be monitored closely.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I suggest you buy the dessert for the potluck.

I never bake sweet things unless it is a flagrant failure, where I am flat out bingeing. I guess I could conquer it if it were important to me, but I equate it with too many bad memories of kidding myself. I started to interpret my the justifications for baking as just the intense habit trying to keep me ensnared. And I just have no need to have sweets around. I just about never buy them for the weekend anymore. For company or to take to others, there are just too many good things available in my area. It happens infrequently enough that it fits my budget. But I don't have family around.

Then again, there are women, thin and not so thin, who never bake a thing and don't apologize for not doing it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your suggestion, but this particular potluck I can't bring a bought dessert. I will probably make a pound cake or the Texas Sheet Cake that will feed 24 and send home any leftovers. I am buying the fried chicken strips at the deli that we are taking so I won't have to deal with that. I don't agree but this is a Southern Bible Belt thing. We show love by our homecooking. We bring food when there is a death in the family and provide huge funeral dinners, new mothers get meals for week or so, and there are get togethers that are specifically potluck. I have gotten to the point where I will bring take out for someone who is recovering from surgery at home and the family needs to be fed. And I buy the cookie dough premade for cookies when I have to take cookies somewhere and always get asked for the recipe. Serves them right!! But for this potluck which I am in charge of by the way because of my husband's responsibilities...whatever I make will be eaten and I won't have to bring it home.

My daughter is a university librarian. Would you believe they have several events each semester where they are required by the library director to treat all their student workers with homemade treats. She has to make homemade cookies for the assortment even though there are perfectly good bakeries in town! And it always falls at those stressful times like end of the semester. The younger generation is better about this and hopefully a change will take place because they have to. Working moms and all that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like one of those uncomfortable situations where what's being asked of your daughter is blatantly illegal but it would probably be considered bad form not to participate. Not a team player and all that. But it's not cheap to bake! Maybe she can write it off on her taxes...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear of your health scare. Have you changed anything in response?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All blood work excellent...originally done just as routine physical...no symptoms...lots of panels done. But 2 liver enzymes very high for 3 blood tests. Ultrasound showed nothing. The suspect is non alcohol fatty liver disease or non alcohol cirrhosis (and hopefully not cancer) but not showing fatty liver or tumor or blocked bile ducts on ultrasound. Having a consult with gastro specialist this week. Actually just his PA this time. I am thinking they will do an MRI before they do a liver biopsy. The only treatment for such if it is fatty liver is heavy exercise and lose weight and hope it doesn't get worse and if it does wait for liver transplant. The hospital nutritionist suggested intermittent fasting before this next test to see if the liver will clear. She also said that the fatty liver is precursor for diabetes...a silent scream. So I have been eating 2 meals a day, no sugar even on S Days and working out 60 minutes daily. I will say the weight has been dropping. The first tests were done in June. The consult may be as simple as let's watch this and check again in a few weeks. I have kept meticulous dietary records for 70 days. I am not really a candidate for this since I don't have metabolic syndrome. I am technically overweight but not in the obese category.

We shall see. But it sure is easier not to be tempted by sweets for now!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, my. Sounds like you're doing what I would be doing under the circumstances. You wouldn't be the first person to have weight loss when a health scare got them more focused. (It's pretty hard to recreate that, though. That's why I think so many dieters who use strict health practices end up failing long term.) But I hope you heal, too. Even more!
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Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but harder to maintain)
Dec/17 23.8

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting on last blood test results. Checking on rare stuff like autoimmune hepatitus. Don't think cancer or fatty liver from ultrasound. Hope it just goes away! If autoimmune will probably have to go on prednisone for life. Side effects of med are of course water retention and increased appetite as well as diabetes and osteo risks. And liver biopsy is next if blood work doesn't confirm.

So NoS still very important. I hope I have learned to live with increased appetite and know how to eat light. Weight is now down to 174.5 from a high of near 200 last February. But I will continue to have to monitor calorie and nutrients especially if go on meds. So my mod of recording food and exercise will continue.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoping the best for you Tex. I remember having elevated liver results after I got my gallbladder removed. DH kept telling me not to worry and that it was likely nothing. I still worried but in the end he was right. I'm hoping the same for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some enzymes that were up and they went down again. No fatty liver in my case either. I did have gallbladder out with some residual biliary issues. My gastroenterologist was never particularly troubled by it. Best wishes for your next text results.

174 is great! (If it's okay to remark on someone else's numbers!) I would love to be that. But you eat quite a bit less than I do so it's not surprising Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life moving on all fronts. NoS in place is very helpful.
Good news: House has sold and closing is on Oct. 13 if all continues to go well. That means busy days clearing out garage, holding estate sale, and final cleaning.

Not so good news: All blood tests and ultrasounds show no liver damage and functioning is normal. So the GI called for some more advanced blood tests which seem to confirm a diagnosis of Autoimmune liver disease (or autoimmune hepatitus). I will have a liver biopsy at the end of the month to be sure before starting on the immune suppressing drugs. This appears to be a lifetime condition and will be managed, but not cured. I have no idea what this means diet wise. I am assuming that I will need to go on an autoimmune protocol. The effects of the drugs concern me more (prednisone, etc.)

It is still vital that I continue to lose weight so that I don't develop fatty liver on top of this. And potential allergens will have to be eliminated.

So I guess all this comes with age no matter what. I haven't told too many people yet because I don't want all their advice. They don't know that except for too much food I have been on the clean eating wagon for decades. I never have been a processed food eater and rarely even eat at restaurants. I have been buying grain fed beef from a local source for a decade. So I don't need a nutrition lesson from the newly informed.

I will continue with NoS no matter what the protocol is because weight management will be part of it.

Now on to dispose of more STUFF. How does it accumulate and reproduce?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news on the house. I hope your liver biopsy also yields good results. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this-- the uncertainty must be really frustrating. Great news that there is no damage to the liver. Not advice (well, ok, it is a little bit advice, which I suspect you are already doing anyway) but when dealing with something weird, I find it reassuring to go to an academic center where they treat it more often. I have a benign tumor of the pituitary that I go to Hopkins for. It's rare enough that it's worth it to me to go to a pituitary center even though it's an hour and a half drive.

Best wishes for the downsizing/move. I hope you are enjoying your retired husband's company! I have a loooong list for woodworker husband when that day comes, but it is looking pretty distant at the moment Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NoS pattern of no seconds, no sweets, and no snacks is firmly in place. I began again in February and have lost about 30 lbs. since then. I am about 10 lbs. away from a healthy BMI. However, the loss has really come from concern about health issues.

I am asymptomatic and only caught the high liver enzymes because of yearly blood work. After multiple blood tests, ultrasounds, more blood tests, and finally a liver biopsy, the conclusion is "probable autoimmune hepatitis" and doctor started me today on prednisone 10 mg. and azathioprine 50 mg. I am to see him Wed. I have never taken any meds and I know plenty about these. But it is my understanding I have no choice because the alternative is liver damage if we can't stop the attack on my liver. I am following the autoimmune protocol diet which is really an elimination diet (no grains, dairy, nightshades, nuts, seeds) but lots of veggies, greens, meats, fish, and some fruit. I am hoping I won't have the horrible side effects of the immune suppressing drugs, but it is certainly easier to try to eat as nutrient dense as I can and to avoid any foods that might cause allergies. If I have the side effect of not being able to sleep I might be typing away on my daily check in. I know prednisone is supposed to make one ravenously hungry. I am hoping that my good diet will help with that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the mid-90's, I read a book called Neanderthin about a man who had had rheumatoid arthritis from his early 20's and who was diagnosed with diabetes in his early 30's. He could not face taking meds the rest of his life, so researched and went Paleo. I don't think he knew about the Eads, who wrote their book in '88. But he turned his autoimmune conditions around and never looked back. A friend did the same, going from being relatively heavy and in pain as a vegetarian around Zen people to a Paleo cyclist and spear fisher.

I hope it does as well for you, and I'd bet that last ten pounds comes off, though I imagine that would be the side benefit (as it is of so many health regimens. Health is THE reason to "diet." IMHO)

But people who don't have your incentive are going to be jealous when they can't make themselves do it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things are going pretty well considering. The house has sold and closed and it feels good to have disposed of so much stuff and begin to have a simpler house and yard to manage. Husband is handling retirement well so far. Of course, we have been so busy with the moving that he hasn't had much time on his hands. He goes to university to eat with his buddies 3 times a week so that is good for him.

On the health front, the diagnosis is autoimmune hepatitus, and I am at stage 2 fibrosis. Stage 4 is cirrhosis. The doctor thinks that the meds will keep the progression from going there, and I can possibly go into remission. However, I will have to take some form of immune suppression drug for the rest of my life. I will have more bloodwork the first week in November. Hopefully, I can drop the Prednisone at that time. I am not having any side effects yet. (Except that I was mopping the kitchen floor at 3:00 a.m. one morning!) I don't know of any cases where people with my disease were able to get off meds (there are only 100,000-200,000 cases in U.S.) but I believe that this diet will keep me as healthy as possible on the lowest dosage and also prevent another autoimmune disease. At least it is something I can do that is proactive.

On the weight front, things are going well. I am steadily losing on the AIP diet and am really not at all hungry and feel satisfied without cravings. Of course the protocol of no sugar, no grains, no dairy, no nuts and seeds, and no nightshades is a challenge. I feel good and I really am enjoying my large salads full of all sorts of goodies. The biggest challenge is eating outside of the house.

Interesting lesson learned or reinforced: Henry Ford's quote is so true.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right!" I am not even desiring the sweets and breads and dense foods that I thought I couldn't live without. My S Day treats are dried fruit , coconut butter, and such.

Anyway. my bmi is now 26.9 and I am in need of new jeans!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, you sound like you are handling this news really well. I've been lucky enough not to have any "innards" problems yet in my life. It's slightly frightening to me that my insides that run pretty well could be on their way to going wonky without my knowledge at all. And then if something does go wrong, I couldn't even see it to know if it's getting better. Aack, this is turning into me, me, me when it's you, you, you facing it!

I wonder if you didn't have your condition if your WOE would be okay with you. What it's like to eat if you aren't hungry, and not because you've been permasancking or overeating? I've almost never overeaten because I was hungry, and I went through a time-it's not completely over-whenI almost never felt hunger, even if I fasted from 1 pm to morning. Food lost its satisfying pleasure for me, but I missed it and longed for the old pleasure. I can't imagine not missing starches. I've toyed with the idea of trying it out after the holidays, though, because I'm curious about ending cravings.

May I ask what's hard about eating out? Can you not get enough of the right vegetables? It sure seems like there'd be protein out there. Maybe sauces? I'm curious

Congrats on needing new jeans (for your genes)! If you stick with this and it sounds like it's not an "if," I predict you're going to get well into your normal range.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala,

Yes, reaching 70 years of age and never having had a health issue, this has been a shock. Also, the fact that I have no visible symptoms is unnerving.
The weird thing about my chosen way of eating is that the food is satisfying and it is pleasurable. I have always enjoyed meats and those are not restricted. We always have a freezer full of grass fed beef. Yesterday I even rendered tallow! I look forward to my meals, really. It is just that there is no craving for the dense carb/sweet foods that have always called me. I am sure that my belief that I am doing the best thing for my body is a huge factor.

The eating out issue is a challenge because it is difficult to get plain, unseasoned food at most of our local restaurants. I can have a steak if it is not seasoned at all and I can have a plain, sweet potato, and a salad without tomatoes, cheese, or peppers. If fresh fruit is on the menu I can have that. But honestly, I would rather prepare that at home. It is for social reasons that I would eat out. However, as you can see forget about Mexican food, pizza, Italian food, Asian, BBQ etc. Most social occasions here are not steakhouse situations. I do not want to be the "problem" when it comes to where we are going to eat out. If it is just my husband and me....no problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, TexArk!

I was up very early this morning due to some bowel inflammation (I have Crohn's Disease), so I ended up reading through this entire thread while lying on the couch. I just wanted to say that I REALLY enjoyed your posts and your documentation of your journey. I found each post you made to be very inspirational, and I eagerly looked forward to what happened next.

I'm glad your house finally sold, but I'm sad to hear about your liver issues. What is fascinating is how positively you've reflected on each experience. It's very much reinforced to me how valuable it is to document things... even if just for the purpose of reflection and growing from past mistakes/choices.

Anyway... I know that I have very little that I can contribute, other than to express my gratitude for everything you've chosen to share on this forum. I hope your health continues along this positive path, and I eagerly look forward to reading more future posts from you.

xx

[ETA: This is random and has nothing to do with your posts, but I felt a little connection to you when I saw you mention you lived in Arkansas! My husband is from Arkansas... born and raised! I also attended graduate school at the U of A in Fayetteville... so contextually I understood a lot of statements you made about expectations for events and needing to bring homemade baked goods to things. It just made me chuckle. My husband and I currently are living in Wisconsin, and it's very similar.]
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Gracie. I find that it helps me ever once in awhile to go back and reread posts. And if you have Crohn's disease then you know what it is like to battle an autoimmune disease, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on your home sale. I'm sorry about your health news. The autoimmune stuff is so mysterious. I hope the AIP diet does the trick for you to keep it in remission.
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