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oolala53



Joined: 06 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome [back], Izzy. I guess a fair number of people just have to go through the early"mod" phase to see that there is a lot of wisdom in the basic program, even if they ease into it or take a few tries. Hope to see you in the general discussion or on your own thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops, didn't see previous post
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Octavia



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, and season's greetings! I left No S after a few months, mainly due to my previous brain-washing from other writers (mainly Gillian Riley, who's anti-diet, anti-rules and anti-caring-about-weight-loss, and Debra Waterhouse who is pro-snacking), but also because I wasn't losing any weight. Looking back, I wasn't losing any weight because I was eating too much at weekends - which I think would have changed had I persisted with No S. I think I was still hoping for some magic way of still being able to eat sweets and snacks freely, and was not facing up to the fact that even in No S, you can't 'be stupid' on S days.

So I just went back to my old permasnacking habits. 😞

Now, I am looking at No S again and wondering if I am strong enough to do it. One big incentive for me is knowing how much more I enjoy my food - both meals and S day treats - when I'm eating moderately. But weight loss is also important to me. I've found that if I follow Gillian Riley's advice and stop caring about weight loss and 'matters of vanity' (my own interpretation of what she says), then my addictive appetite wins the day. After all, commodities such as self-esteem and good health can still be attained (to a point) while overeating, so they don't really provide a firm incentive to stop. However, weight loss is the one thing that cannot be attained while overeating!

So...I seem to be in this permanent argument against the logic of Gillian Riley, and keep going back to her books, only to keep on failing to control my overeating at all! Actually, I have thrown away the paperback copies I have, but not only are they still in my Kindle, THEY ARE IN MY HEAD!🙄

I'm worried that if I try No S again, at the first sign of trouble I will revert to the idea that 'rules don't work!' Or 'snacks are important'. Have any of you regulars ever had these dilemmas? I would love to try again.

All the best!
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read only some of her work. She does a great job of describing all the reasons people overeat. I think I get what she says about where freedom can lead. But combatting modern foods that are SO easy to overeat is tough,and so is the attitude that it's okay to eat at any time. What keeps me with No S is the fact that there are no slim CULTURES (not slim people) who advocate such a free attitude towards eating. They all have HABITS/routines that end up keeping most of their population at normal BMI, UNLESS their habits are being eroded by other influences that erode meal-based eating, not all meals big, quality food, savoring food, etc.

I still experiment with ideas like Riley's on S days. I didn't start like that, though. It's an evolution!
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Merry



Joined: 22 Sep 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavia wrote:
Hi all, and season's greetings! I left No S after a few months, mainly due to my previous brain-washing from other writers (mainly Gillian Riley, who's anti-diet, anti-rules and anti-caring-about-weight-loss, and Debra Waterhouse who is pro-snacking), but also because I wasn't losing any weight. Looking back, I wasn't losing any weight because I was eating too much at weekends - which I think would have changed had I persisted with No S. I think I was still hoping for some magic way of still being able to eat sweets and snacks freely, and was not facing up to the fact that even in No S, you can't 'be stupid' on S days.

So I just went back to my old permasnacking habits. 😞

Now, I am looking at No S again and wondering if I am strong enough to do it. One big incentive for me is knowing how much more I enjoy my food - both meals and S day treats - when I'm eating moderately. But weight loss is also important to me. I've found that if I follow Gillian Riley's advice and stop caring about weight loss and 'matters of vanity' (my own interpretation of what she says), then my addictive appetite wins the day. After all, commodities such as self-esteem and good health can still be attained (to a point) while overeating, so they don't really provide a firm incentive to stop. However, weight loss is the one thing that cannot be attained while overeating!

So...I seem to be in this permanent argument against the logic of Gillian Riley, and keep going back to her books, only to keep on failing to control my overeating at all! Actually, I have thrown away the paperback copies I have, but not only are they still in my Kindle, THEY ARE IN MY HEAD!🙄

I'm worried that if I try No S again, at the first sign of trouble I will revert to the idea that 'rules don't work!' Or 'snacks are important'. Have any of you regulars ever had these dilemmas? I would love to try again.

All the best!


Welcome back! "snacks are important" sounds kinda like a rule to me (you have to have snacks). "You can't have rules" (loosely rephrased!) also sounds like a rule to me. (Sometimes I play such mind-games to help me out of these types of logical quagmires!).

Ask yourself...do you feel free from food when you permasnack--are you getting the freedom you want? If not, consider the freedom that having a few simple rules can bring to you.

Do you have the No-S book? Try re-reading it several times to help your mind really think through the concepts presented and the way they are backed up with statistics (that's one thing that I keep going back to--how much our culture changed in the last now 40 years--and how that has negatively impacted our health).

Personally, I have enough weight to lose that health will be impacted if I don't decide to do something about it (increased risk for developing high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes etc...). It certainly impacts my energy and my desire to exercise now. And some kind of exercise is necessary for strength, the heart, bone health, etc... The weight I'm carrying does impact my joints, even now.

I think the benefits of No-S far outweigh the constraints of the few rules it imposes!
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26 lbs. down, 37 to go. Slow and steady wins the race.

"Believe conquering sweets is doable." - Oolala
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the first time I didn't eat all the skin off the turkey while carving it.
(I think I left this on the wrong post and don't know how to get rid of it)
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Octavia



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses! 🙂 Merry, I think I will reread the NoS book. Might even get a paperback copy. Oolala, I know what you mean about Gillian Riley's approaches being good for S days. I do like her idea of Times and Plans, and the basic concept of food addiction. She is definitely a writer of integrity, even though she has proved a stumbling block for me!

Bye for now and Happy New Year to you all!
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threewhales



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I had read this thread the two times before I left No S.
Both times I had too many modifications, the red days would put me in a tail spin and once I started in on sweets, I could not stop. I refused to move my body even 14 min.
I came back because THIS is how I want to live.
OOLALA told me once to just hit 80% compliance. I decided I could do at least that and will just see where No S takes me in a years time, I know what the other diets will do for me in a year, time for a change.
No more diet head for me, but I can see that this will be a struggle..just today, I walked past an Advocare booth at a trade show and had a second where I thought, "I should stop and see what they have for weight loss. Nope, I am on No S and don't need to spend any money on extra stuff." THAT was a freeing moment today!
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think everyone should have to read this thread before they start and definitely before they modify or leave!
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Merry



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
I think everyone should have to read this thread before they start and definitely before they modify or leave!


Yes! It's an awesome thread!
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1 year and counting!

26 lbs. down, 37 to go. Slow and steady wins the race.

"Believe conquering sweets is doable." - Oolala
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Saramelie



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I did a strict No-S "diet" back in the days without knowing about the No-S plan. I was part of a group advocating this "no sweets, no snacks, no seconds, no trigger foods" on a permanent basis. It was working really well for me, going from 200+ pounds to 147 pounds (pregnant!). But I went back to sugary treats after 2 years. I forgot. I thought I would be fine. I thought I could do "moderation". Turns out I can't. And I am now standing at 240 pounds..... yeah. I love the No-S diet, but for myself, from my own personal experience, I can't seem to be able to have S-days without derailing (binging) and/or losing my peace of mind. So I am aiming at doing a 365 days/year NoS diet. Not advocating this for everyone, just a personal thing. I just want to get back to a healthy size and a peaceful mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mods "earned" by true testing, not from "premature optimization" are the ones that seem to stick best.
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osoniye



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saramelie wrote:
But I went back to sugary treats after 2 years. I forgot.
It seems to be pretty important that if you need to leave something off (like sugar) that it be permanent. Going in and out can really lead to problems (binges, going from "nothing" to "all"). If you want to make it a permanent change and enforce it one day at a time, day after day, I believe leaving added sugar off altogether can be a good idea for some of us!
I wish you the best.
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lbb (Liz)



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost did not post because I felt shame that I'm coming back after joining a few years ago, dabbling in other things (intuitive eating, Gillian Riley, Geneen Roth, Jillfit, Intermittent Fasting, Macro-counting (IIFYM) (the newest thing out there that drove me crazy!) calorie counting).... coming back for a second, and then abandoning ship again. But I'm throwing away that shame feeling!

I'm not in a [i]terrible[/i] place with food, but have established unfavorable habits that I can't quite shed and really bug me. I can eat the 3 meals/day (good, satisfying, yummy and healthy meals), but then talk myself into a cinnamon bear. Then a handful of cinnamon bears, then a snickers, then bowls of cereal. You get the picture. It goes on...

All to start again the next day.
I'm frustrated because I vacillate between the thoughts
--"you don't have to lose weight, so don't worry about it...a little treat everyday is fine" and
"but I hate how I feel dependent on candy and/or sweets and have no control at night and go to bed feeling sick...this isn't normal.".

So I'm back. I've noticed that I feel a real sense of deprivation if I can't have a little candy after dinner (even if it turns into a LOT). I don't really even savor it, but pound it down handful after handful. I'm pretty sure I'm using it to cope with my hardest time at night...putting kids to bed, doing homework with kids, etc. It does feel like an actual drug, actually.

Just want to say "HI" and sorry that I ever left "NO-S". Will you forgive me?
It just feels right to be here, even if I haven't been following the principles fully yet.
XOXO
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kaalii



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is such a valuable thread so not only that we are glad you are back but thank you for sharing your experiences! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm back too, after dabbling around in the strict plans, again. I hope this time I never leave. I'm always encouraged by this forum and the success and food freedom people find here:)

I'm planning to spend time back on the daily check in. Hope see you all there!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm back! I have probably been away 6 months. I thought I could stay with the No-S program (it is SO sane) on my own without tracking here. However, I found I grew slack with picking and tasting during dinner prep, as well as allowing sugar to creep in on normal days. I see I need to be here to help me stay accountable. I will start February 1st.
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liz, I could have sworn I welcomed you back and said there was no need for shame! The hucksters and pressure are out there. Even traditional societies are being swayed to eat more manufactured food and more often. And they start experiencing all the problems we do when they do.

You won't be sorry when you break the habit.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/14/09. I remember it well. I had just read somewhere about NoS and was so convinced, I found this board and jumped in right away.

I never did have great success with it, which made all the bright shiny promises of other plans all the brighter. They did work for a time, and even one of them resulted in weight that has stayed off for two years. But even that one stopped working after a while.

I figure if I'm not going to lose anything, at least I can not lose with less work:)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. But congrats on beating the odds.
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