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elegantportions



Joined: 19 May 2014
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't count myself as ever actually leaving NoS, but I wanted to put this here to call everyone's attention to the Sticky of the Stickies.
My last post was my Year 2 testimonial in late 2015, included as a reply on Year 1.
Sorry, I would include a link to that post, but it's been so long since I have been here that I don't remember how.

New CatchPhrase: Don't go tharn!
(Showing my age here)
From the book Watership Down by Richard Adams (1972), "tharn" is the term used when animals see the headlights of oncoming cars and are frozen in terror...
Or think about the 1971 movie Andromeda Strain when one of the scientists almost fails to save the world because she goes into a trance instead of responding appropriately when she sees all the red warning lights...

My HabitCal reveals everything:
2014 avg 5 reds per month, just learning the habits, losing excess weight slowly
2015 avg 2 reds per month until Dec, still losing

NoS Book, p. 142: "Be honest about failures, and limit them. One day is regrettable but inevitable. Two in a row is pushing it. And it should never be more than that. Don't beat yourself up, just hit the brakes hard. Marking green, yellow, and red (respectively) for success, exemption, and failure on a Habit Traffic Light calendar helps. Just make sure not to stop marking when you run into a failure; that's the most important thing to mark."

Dec 2015 & Jan 2016 were almost solid red.
I can't believe I kept marking (with varying success) through Oct 2016, all the while slowly regaining excess weight.
2017 was spent in denial, still gaining.

So, here I am, BMI worse than when I started and 4 years older, but hopefully wiser.
Last week was solid green.

A few things I have learned during my dereliction:

If I eat like a newborn 8x a day, then I gain weight like a newborn.

I really do not want to eat chips every single weekday lunch, and my default 3-oz. bowl full will definitely NOT fit on my lunch plate.
If oversize portions feed an oversize body, then the corollary must also be true: Right-size portions feed a right-size body.

I can easily eat enough to more than compensate for lugging a baby around all day.

No Snacks means the kitchen is closed between dinner and breakfast.
"Just a few" jelly beans after dinner leads to permasnacking until bedtime.
If I have cravings, just drink some water and either take a walk or go to bed NOW.

I really do need to check in at least once a month for accountability and encouragement.
It's great to see old friends still on board!
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for sharing your observations. It's so easy to get lured by the excess messages, even if the messages are encoded in the food- esp. the packaged stuff. Cool

Is this what you meant about a previous post? If not, let me know if you want me to delete it.
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"Year 2 UPDATE: Another year of success sort of following NoS!

Soon after posting this testimonial last year, I got serious and actually followed vanilla NoS for awhile. But my weight remained stable, and I knew I needed to figure out ELEGANT portion sizes. So for awhile I counted bites and was thoroughly shocked at how little food really is a decent portion for my body and activity level.

Without any particular goal in mind, I conducted an experiment paying more attention to just how I felt eating less and less food within the framework of NoS. Within a few months I found a "good" level of hunger (just hungry enough for the next meal), and dropped the bite counting. I began to see numbers on the scale I haven't seen since 2003!

Then just before the holidays, we brought a newborn foster baby home from the hospital. I dropped Shovelglove in favor of lifting & carrying this other weight that was 7 lbs. & daily growing. My activity level in no way resembled what it had been for the previous 6 months and I would have STARVED had I not begun eating more. Habitwise the holidays were terrible, and yes, I definitely overdid the upward adjustment.

But my weight remains within the normal range, I am at peace with food, and NoS gives me the framework of sanity I need to live life without having to give food more attention than it deserves."
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noni wrote:
It's the first time I didn't eat all the skin off the turkey while carving it.
(I think I left this on the wrong post and don't know how to get rid of it)


The skin is the best part Very Happy
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elegantportions



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Oolala, that was the post I meant.
Thank you very much for digging it up for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just went to the Testimonials forum.

I hope to see your update there sometime.
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eschano



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello!
I was successful with NoS 2012-2016 and lost 20pounds sustainably on it. I stopped when I got pregnant with my first child in 2016 as I felt extremely nauseated for four months and nothing other than constant snacking was helping. So I swapped one habit for permasnacking yet again. My first daughter was also a shocking sleeper and up every 1 1/2hours all night until she was 9 months old and still rarely sleeps through now so sleep deprivation didn’t help one bit and I didn’t really manage to get back on NoS before I got pregnant with my second around my firstborn’s first birthday. Now that the little one is 12weeks and a much better sleeper I feel like I can start in earnest again.
Obviously none of these are valid excuses as I know of enough people who successfully did NoS while pregubut I’m just not one of them.
My main triggers are:
-Tiredness
-Food leftover on my toddler’s plate that I would happily wolf down
-boredom
-being in the house a lot with access to food

Ultimately, I know NoS is the right way for me. I was happy and healthy and had a good relationship with food and my body. I won’t even consider any other diet again. NoS healed me in so many ways I didn’t think possible and impacted positively on my mental health, my partnership, and my family and I crave that structure again.
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Sammybunny711



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of your stories are so inspiring! I did No S for a brief period of time back in the day and just got tantalized by all the other diets out there. I also modified the HECK out of No S to "fit my lifestyle". Well this time? NO MODS. I'm going to stick to vanilla No S starting today. I have always been able to do extremes but not balanced habits. That changes today. I'm going to be able to do this. I KNOW I can. The community here and on the Facebook group will be big factors in this success, I just know it. Thanks for always supporting each other. We can do this! GO US.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11826
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Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 8 years & counting
Age 64
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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naeman



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left because I had trouble sticking to the habits, and even when I did for a month or so I tended to maintain instead of lose.

I came back because nothing else has worked for me. I've been in a somewhat frantic state of feeling hopeful about a new diet, giving up after a week or two, and then feeling horribly down until I think of a different angle to try a new diet from. I realized that there was no chance of succeeding in the long run if I didn't just stick to something.

I've decided to think about things a little differently this time. I want to approach the diet in a way that optimizes my chances of sticking with it. Instead of tracking binary success or failure on N days, I've split my tracking into three habits: snacks, sweets, and seconds. If I mess up an have a snack, I mark that one red for the day, but I still haven't failed completely and there's a reason to keep resisting sweets and seconds.

I've also decided to weigh myself only twice a month. In the past I've judged a diet by how sustainable it is and how much weight I'm losing with it. Seeing my weight stay the same or go up for a short period of time inevitably leads to giving up on the plan. Weight loss is my ultimate goal, but there are other good reasons to stick with No S until i can find a way to lose weight on it. So I'm not going to judge my success by weight loss, at least not initially.

I plan to get about 60 successful days in each N day habit (in a row) and seeing where that puts me before I start trying to work on my mindset for S days. I'm three weeks in and although I've had some slipups I've kept going and have felt no temptation to stop. Here's hoping this time works for me long term.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I very much hope it works for you too. Interesting approach, will follow it closely
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi naeman, welcome back and good luck with your new approach. I didn't lose any weight for the first month I was on the forum as I was still adjusting how much I needed to eat.

I think that one of the reasons No S has worked for me is that I have regarded it as a way of permanently changing my eating habits rather than a temporary diet. By using the rules to cut out excess food my weight has gradually come down over the last year or so.
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Bluebell



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m going to copy and paste today’s check in which pretty much sums it up.

Ok, where to start.
Firstly, I have finally returned to this forum and my daily check in to see two messages asking after me. I am beyond touched that anyone would bother to look me up or think of me after all this time, let alone strangers online. So thank you.
Since I last checked in, in March, I had a complete relapse. I did what I always always do which is to return to my bad old habits. I lasted so much longer with NoS than any other diet, however it was as if I could not escape the inevitable forever.
I had maintained my 2 stone loss for some time, give or take a few pounds, but between now and then I have put back on 22 of the 28lb I had lost. It has felt like deliberate sabotage, and yet I knew even as I was doing it that deep down this was not what I wanted.
As a coincidence, I had a very interesting conversation with a friend of a friend who is a hypnotherapist. We spoke a bit about my issues around food and she said that she thought I was almost certainly rebelling against my mother putting me on a diet aged 12. I told that her that I didn’t feel like I was rebelling but she said that it would be locked away in my subconscious somewhere. She was very lovely and not at all pushy.
I kept thinking, I would love to see her for a session, she will finally release me from this burden (that’s how it feels, a burden to keep doing this to myself)
Mainly because I can’t justify spending that money on myself, I never got round to booking an appointment with her. However, I found myself asking ‘What would I want the outcome of a hypnotherapy session to be?’ And I came up with this.
I would like to eat sensible meals, cut out the crap, and enjoy the occasional treat without tipping over into a binge and feelings of guilt.
That would be the NoS diet then.
So here I am. Nothing will work for me as well as NoS has. I think I truly know that now. I hope so anyway. I’ve managed a week successfully and have also started C25K, I’m only on week 2 of the programme but feel determined to get fitter and healthier this time round.
I hope its OK to come back after all this time away. I intend to post from time to time, but keep a more detailed record in a paper diary kept by my bedside.

Edit : I just noticed my signature (or whatever you call it) at the bottom of my posts. Taken from one of Oolala’s replies on one of my posts. I think I lost sight of the North Star for a while, but its still up there. It never went away. I just stopped looking for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sent a private longer message, but welcome home.
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SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Oolala. My Inbox is empty though? (maybe I’ve been away too long? Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it wasn't private. I think it's the one I put on your check-in thread.
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Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 8 years & counting
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SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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3squaremeals



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back again for the 100th time. When will I learn that diets don't work for me. This time I will be having 6 N days and 1 S day where I will have one S event. Most likely a sweet. As I need to keep the structure of the N days all week. I am going to start tracking my eating and exercise on habitcal.

I feel like I need to really make this work for me as I don't want to keep being overweight, miserable and obsessed with food and the scale. There is more to life than this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
I guess it wasn't private. I think it's the one I put on your check-in thread.


Ah yes, thank you Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3squaremeals wrote:
I feel like I need to really make this work for me as I don't want to keep being overweight, miserable and obsessed with food and the scale. There is more to life than this.


Sounds like we are in a very similar position. Good luck with your return Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Bluebell, good luck to you on your journey too. We can do this! 🙂
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Back and ashamed Reply with quote

I'm back. Again. I feel so ashamed to have fallen of the wagon! I was doing ok but had a very bad day a few months ago and that was it... i went back to disordered eating and feeling alienated from life. I regained almost all the weight i had lost and have to start walking daily again. I'm still pre-diabetic and very afraid of becoming diabetic. The good thing is i have been managing pain much better.

I've been doing vanilla No-S since the beggining of october but the S days are terrible and have me binging the whole day which sometimes goes on to contaminate my monday and sometimes tuesday. So i'm going back to what has worked the most for me in the past which is to stick to 3 meals on the weekends and allow myself maybe only one or two Ss (as in a dessert and a normal snack).

I feel very scared when i stop to think about my eating habits. Will i be able to eat in a nomal way? Will i be able to be healthier and avoid diabetes? No-S has to work for me. I have to make it work.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Marina!

I also have a pre-diabetes diagnosis (and borderline hypertension to boot), so I know that scary feeling of our health feeling out of our control. It's not, though. We can each find what works for us. For me, I have to eat whole foods (which easily moderates my carbs), and avoid free access to my trigger foods (or build in a "limited" access). But other than that, I can fairly happily stick to NoS, plain and simple.

Welcome back.

I don't have a solution for your questions (S Days, no S Days, etc.), but I do hope you find your "thrive" path. Don't give up!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: Back and ashamed Reply with quote

Marina wrote:

I feel very scared when i stop to think about my eating habits. Will i be able to eat in a nomal way? Will i be able to be healthier and avoid diabetes? No-S has to work for me. I have to make it work.


Yes you will be able to do all of that, be patient be prepared for the odd setback, you are only human. Just keep on doing it.

Use the habitcal it's a great motivator

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those situations where using fear would be a good thing. It's the timing that matters. If we feel the fear only when there is no risk, when there are no eating decisions to be made, it's going to be ineffective suffering. We need to muster the fear, or resolve, right when the urge to eat that extra food comes up. That's the moment of proof/truth. Being honest about admitting that it might not be as important as we say if we keep letting our intention melt in the moment can help grow the determination. Think of us cheering you on to hold out BEFORE you take those "failure" bites and how glad you'll be when you can look back and see that you got over the hump.
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Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you can get back in the groove. I was able to bring my blood sugar back to normal (from a high reading) over the first 4 months.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, jinji! That's quite the testimony for no s! Congrats on getting the blood sugar level under control! Just looked at your stats.... We're similar in height and age, and I am so happy for you that your bmi is also down along with your blood sugar. Amazing! I am encouraged by your success.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaggieMae wrote:
Wow, jinji! That's quite the testimony for no s! Congrats on getting the blood sugar level under control! Just looked at your stats.... We're similar in height and age, and I am so happy for you that your bmi is also down along with your blood sugar. Amazing! I am encouraged by your success.


Good luck
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