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2017 One year No S Challenge
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, just noticed that this thread has had more views than the etiquette thread that has been around for years. It can't just be us... Hello, lurkers!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
I recognize you, too! I just like the zeitgeist, if I may use that term here. Lost all my weight since age 56 and more in the last six months.


Thanks for the warm welcome! Yes, your story is definitely an encouragement!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And one more: I still get a promo from Brad Pilon because he has an attitude that I like. Here is an excerpt from a recent email:

Have you ever noticed that people can find success with different types of diets?

Or that those exact same diets can easily fail other people?

This is because the diet itself may not actually matter.

Low Carb or High Carb, Paleo or Vegan… when it comes to weight loss it really doesn't matter.

What DOES matter is whether or not the diet changes your behavior for the better, that you create and follow rituals and that they have a positive impact on the mundane aspects of every day life.

After all, that's how diets work —> by impacting your every day life.

A diet that is too complex or does not create behavior change will not work, no matter how good the science is behind it.

If you want to lose weight or improve your health try to create rituals that positively impact the everyday part of your life - this is what will create lasting change.

Back to me: if your rituals are not getting you what you want, either adjust what you want or adjust the ritual. (First adjustment after the meal structure is what is on the plate or size of plate. I like a bigger plate and more veggie, less dense stuff myself.)

TWo-thirds of the way through April, and then we will be two-thirds of the way through 2017. Keep going!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:

If you want to lose weight or improve your health try to create rituals that positively impact the everyday part of your life - this is what will create lasting change.

Back to me: if your rituals are not getting you what you want, either adjust what you want or adjust the ritual. (First adjustment after the meal structure is what is on the plate or size of plate. I like a bigger plate and more veggie, less dense stuff myself.)


I like this idea of ritual. In my mind, I've been using the word habit but with food practices, I think ritual fits better. My current ritual that I'm trying to establish is to eat mindfully. The actual ritual is to put my fork/spoon/knife down after I've taken a bite (no pre-loading) until I'm done with the current bite.

This definitely helps me 1. Enjoy my meal more, and 2. Feel satisfied with the smaller quantity that I actually need (and not pine for more).

Thanks, Oolala, for the thought-provoking post!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I adopted the habit of eating slowly (unless I was bingeing) even before No S. I think it's helped a lot. Sometimes I would feel slightly panicked at the beginning of the meal thinking it wouldn't be enough food, but after taking my time, it's usually plenty. I also make it a ritual to eat slowly even when I feel like I'm starving. OH, those bites taste good! And I feel like I get full even faster.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaggieMae wrote:
AND just to make life a little crazier, my parents who have been married for 47 years separated last weekend. My mom moved out. We've been busy helping her move and adjust and they are driving me crazy. I would give anything if my husband worked for a company that had multiple locations so we could move far, far away. When did I become the adult and my parents become the children? I have so much anger and anxiety. I had to go to the doctor and get a new, stronger anti-anxiety medication. What parents cause their kids to go on medication just to deal with them!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


Oh Maggie Mae, I'm so sorry to hear this. I know it's heartbreaking--praying for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back, vmsurbat! Missed you! It's always good to hear from another encouraging poster.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still here and kicking!!!
My Habitcal is looking green. WooHoo!
I too like the term ritual when thinking about what it is going to take for me to release pounds. This week, I have been trying to eat a rainbow at least three each day. I'm actually eating veggies. Yea! Go me:) my Habitcal is still my strongest motivator for keeping to the 3 plates a day habit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful to hear from you and to hear that it's going well.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

threewhales wrote:
I am still here and kicking!!!
My Habitcal is looking green. WooHoo!
I too like the term ritual when thinking about what it is going to take for me to release pounds. This week, I have been trying to eat a rainbow at least three each day. I'm actually eating veggies. Yea! Go me:) my Habitcal is still my strongest motivator for keeping to the 3 plates a day habit.


Way to go on eating the veggies! I just stocked my freezer with a bunch of steamer bags yesterday so I have no excuse for not cooking them.
Thanks for the prayers, Merry! It has certainly been interesting around here.
My son brought home another cold and we have all been sick. I have lost my sense of taste! I have lost 7 pounds this week because I either didn't have an appetite or when I do try to eat, I can't taste anything. It's so weird! It keeps me from eating junk but , boy, do I miss tasting delicious food!
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rest assured your taste buds will recover. And some water weight will likely return. All part of the mix.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halfway through May. I think we might have had some dropouts. If you've found nothing else, please consider coming back. You can ease yourself in, if necessary. It's not too late! By fall, you will be in much better shape to keep the habits through the holiday season.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a frequent poster but I am loyal to my Habitcal and mark it every morning - still chugging along here in the background on the One Year Challenge, despite grandiose imperfection!
I hope everyone else in hanging in there!
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanging in there here too! Just not as much online time these days (my senior is graduating & starting college classes in June!) I think life will slow down again by fall, LOL!
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also here, and here to stay! Smile
going through a rough patch in life... but noS is almost like an anchor...
besides my check-in thread that also helps keep me accountable i have no time to participate more...
but you guys are on my mind!! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still experimenting with intermittent fasting. It is helping me not eat after dinner and to use self control in the mornings. Knowing food is in the house but making myself wait until at least 9:30 to eat. The problem is. I haven't been following the no S rules along with it. Haven't turned my back on NO S, just pausing to try out fasting. I like how I feel but I definitely need to work on changing how I eat. I was just constantly failing on NO S. It just seems impossible to go five days every week without sweets or snacks. I haven't given up completely. Since doing intermittent fasting, I don't crave desserts as much. I've had many times where I'll eat half of a candy bar or piece of cake and throw the rest away because I know I can more tomorrow if want. Soda is still my biggest obstacle. It has a hold on me! Lol.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're saying you can fast but you have a hard time not snacking or eating sweets on the days you're not fasting. I actually understand that. When you fast do you not eat anything for the whole day or one meal?
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fasting program I'm doing is actually a book called Buddha' s Diet. You have a nine hour window of where you are allowed to eat,but then nothing but water for the next fifteen hours. Not a strenuous, long fast at all! But it has helped me relax about food and I feel really good letting my body and digestive system rest every night. I've had several days where I've gone19-20 hours without anything but water. I remember reading on here somewhere( by Reinhard maybe?) That if you're interested in fasting, start by fasting between meals. I think I'm at the point to where I can try that again. I can add the NO S rules into my routine of Buddha s Diet . I want to stop drinking soda desperately. I'm not giving up on that goal. I'm a work in progress.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Reinhard has said to just fast between meals. But he's also said he knows it's been part of religious practice for eons. He just feels no need.

I'm a bit the opposite of you, I think. I have used it over the last year and a half, but I'm off kilter now and it's the 3-meal structure I feel I need before I go back to it a few times a week. I started IF because I got to the point at which I rarely felt hunger for meals, but still wanted to eat. Reading of the benefits of a longer overnight fast helped me push through the desire and the resulting good feelings later helped make it more of an intermittent habit, though there was some overeating backlash for quite awhile, so long that I gave it up for a few months. Had gone back with more smoothness after the first of the year. But a short vacation recently tripped some wires. It's annoying, but not a catastrophe.

BTW, I used to sometimes experiment with it on S days, renegade that I am. I once went 36 hours with nothing but water, and still wasn't hungry but WANTED to eat. After my initial weight loss, most of my further loss has followed very light eating on some weekends, light eating that emerged. I never forced it, just forced waiting until I was actually hungry.

I think few people make the overnight longer fasts work if they eat frequently during their window. (It definitely has its casualties.) One of the longevity researchers whose work I read about eats just a couple of times a day. It sounds like it's collapsed into a pretty short window, maybe 6 hours? But he's pretty disciplined in all areas. He also seems more focused on the intake side, not on the weight loss side. He doesn't aim to weigh a certain amount, but to moderate his intake. But he's darn thin. He fasts, runs after work in the fasted state, eats a small meal, then dinner later with family. He's never gone more than 24 hours, and rarely that.

But that's still the exception in the slim world. Meal-based eating spread out more like No S is MUCH more common. It's a worthy goal.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still in but experiencing difficulties. It started on a short vacation last april and since then it went down hill. The evening snacking has returned Evil or Very Mad. I had a very bad month in may. But now i feel ready to do it again. I'm trying to figure out what went wrong but i don't know yet. I was in a good flow and suddenly it was gone.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short vacation at the end of April sent me off, too!

We have one more month before we are halfway done with our year. Maybe that will be incentive to get SOMETHING pinned down in June.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala, what is, or will be, your fasting/eating times the three days a week of fasting that you said you will go back to?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I say that here? I'll write you separately. I don't think I said three days as I've never targeted that.

I would not recommend any fasting beyond that between three meals until a person is VERY sturdy with Vanilla.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to try to join the June challenge. I have family in town today and having a double birthday party tomorrow do I'm sure will be having lots of S's this weekend! I haven't even been recording on habitcal because I haven't been giving it my best. Definitely need to get back at it. Like oolala said, if I get serious now,the habit will be firmly in place when the holidays roll around. I can't believe how easily I can still be swayed to. try other diets. I just love reading and studying about diets so much. I guess I need to avoid the diet books so I'm not tempted to stray.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diet books hold such sweet promise. They're almost like inspirational literature.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In July, I have a M-F Bible Conference/vacation, and instead of looking forward to the relaxation and spiritual food, I'm anxious about the physical food. There will be a 3-meals a day structure, cafeteria-style , but usually on those days at home, I just drink coffee for breakfast, and use a very small plate for lunch and dinner, as well. Those meals cost good money, so that adds to my head problem of "getting my money's worth."

There are foods I can bypass, like sandwiches, for instance. I just have to accept that I'm going to probably gain at least 5 lbs on this older, smaller body, but the good part is that when I go back to eating at home the usual way, it will come off. But this will take longer than just a few days after the S-day weekend at home.

No S is for a lifetime, so what's the hurry?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noni wrote:
Those meals cost good money, so that adds to my head problem of "getting my money's worth."


Maybe you can try to play the head game by thinking how nice it is that you don't have to make any of the food. It's not how much you eat that makes the cost worth it--it's being pampered (you didn't have to plan it, go to the store, prep it, cook it, or do the dishes afterwards).

That said, you're so right--No-S is for the long-run, and if you do end up putting on some pounds, rest in knowing that you have a solid plan for taking them back off again. I hope you can enjoy the week!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Merry! I rarely go out to eat, and do enjoy someone else cooking for a change, being served, etc...I'll try to be grateful for that Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote and lost a post saying something similar, that you're paying for the pleasure and convenience of being able to concentrate on your purpose there- no shopping, cooking, cleaning up. You might even consider getting a nice big mug of coffee at breakfast time and then going on a reflective/prayer walk on your own, if that's appropriate.

Also to reverse virtual plate your meals, putting on the plate only the volume of dense food you would on a smaller plate at home and filling the rest with veggies or leafy greens. You might even practice at home before you go just to see what it looks like.

But the best preparation is a green June.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you have a great conference, Noni! I worry about food issues when I'm going away,too! Maybe you'll get to do some walking and end up not gaining after all. If your conferences are like the ones I've attended,there's usually dessert with lunch AND dinner! That's what's hard for me pass up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I join?
I know I'm super late, but I'm a newbie and just started No-S yesterday. I would love to have the accountability!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bd88 wrote:
Can I join?
I know I'm super late, but I'm a newbie and just started No-S yesterday. I would love to have the accountability!


Welcome!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. We still a little more than half the year left. Plenty of time to build solid habits.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the welcome! I guess I will give some background info to introduce myself:

I started No-S on Sunday in conjunction with my version of alternate day fasting and have had great results. Every other day, I fast all day until dinner (I don't count the calories of my dinner like you're supposed to on ADF because I don't find calorie counting to be sustainable, and I can become obsessive). I eat the same amount as I would for dinner on N-days, which is just the one plate as prescribed. I follow an eating schedule of 8:30 breakfast, 1:30 lunch, and 6:30 dinner. On fast days, I also wait until 6:30 for dinner for consistency. On Sunday, I still followed the schedule but just added a dessert to dinner. I don't feel a need to depart from the schedule on weekends, though I know special occasions may require otherwise. I will cross that bridge when I get to it.
I am also a dietary and ethical vegan.
As of today, I have lost 3 pounds!

Eating three square meals has been such an unexpected delight. I never thought this would work for me because I have always felt so hungry all the time before, and I have a long history of binge eating (diagnosed as BED). I was constantly snacking all day long and binging late at night before I started No-S. I had the urge to binge on Sunday night, but ever since then, it has been smooth sailing. I don't even get hungry in between meals anymore except for about 30 minutes to an hour before mealtime, and that is just a "pleasant" hunger. My first fast day was super hard, as I was SOOOO hungry and drained, but my second fast day was yesterday, and just as I mentioned, the hunger only came about an hour or so before dinner, although it wasn't as pleasant as on non-fasting days. Even still, it was definitely bearable. I have practiced some form of intermittent fasting off and on for many years and just love the benefits it has on my body, but I always had a hard time sticking to a daily eating window. ADF is MUCH easier for me. Yesterday's fast was amazing - I had so much energy, clarity, and focus and got SO much done.

This has been such an easy lifestyle to adopt. I feel like such an idiot that I spent so many years crash dieting and yoyoing when all I needed to do was return to the basics with just a few modifications. I know this lifestyle change will stick because it is so effortless, and I know that once I reach my goal (30.6 lbs to go!), it will be easy enough to maintain the weight since I find both my fasting and non-fasting days to be enjoyable. I finally feel in control!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, bd88! Thanks for telling us about yourself!
Well , I've slipped back into diet head lately. I found myself at the bookstore today looking at the diet section. I seriously looked at the books and thought" read that one...... Own that one and that one.......tried that one twice......". You get the idea. There was nothing new to try. I've done every diet under the sun! Lol. I just can't get back on track. I was doing ok until I weighed myself a few weeks ago. I need to put away the scales. It truly messes with my mind. My eating is so out of control this week. Bingeing on fast food and soda. I wish there was a reset button on my brain. Start again Monday,I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Maggie!
I know what you mean. I feel like I have tried everything as well. This is sort of a last ditch effort for me, but it seems like it just makes a lot of sense.
Can you restart today? I know that if I try to restart too far in the future, I binge even more because I think about all the extras I have to get in before the dreaded restart.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't intend to start today, but so far I've had breakfast and lunch only and it justs feels so Much better than being out of control! Funny you said that you think about all the extras you have to get in before starting back on a diet. I'm the same way! Whenever I decide to get back on track mobday, I completely pig out all weekend. My husband and I are going out to eat dinner tonight, which is a rare treat, so I have no desire to snack before dinner. I want to be truly hungry and enjoy every bite. I work this weekend and that will help to keep it from being an S day gone wild! I'm cooking dinner tomorrow night for my parents and then they're cooking out Sunday for dinner. The only sweet I'm looking forward to having is a strawberry pie that I'm picking up tomorrow. Have you guys tried the strawberry pie from Bob Evans? Oh.My. goodness. The bottom layer is cream cheese and the strawberries are on top of that. Drool. I can't wait. I haven't had it since last summer and its truly one of my favorite desserts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on restarting right away, Maggie!
That strawberry pie sounds absolutely divine! I may make a vegan version of that this weekend! Smile

My S days went pretty well this weekend. I was afraid that I would binge, but I didn't! And I only felt guilty once while eating, which is a huge deal. I have decided not to stick to set mealtimes and ADF on the weekends because it just isn't realistic for me. Instead, I am doing a longer fast today and will pick up with regular fasts until dinner on Wednesday and Friday. I am going to stick to 3 squares indefinitely, though. The no snacking rule has given me so much more control of my eating since I began No-S. I don't know why, but I just never linked eating every 3 hours to being hungry constantly and consequently binging. It seems so obvious, but I just never considered it before this. I appreciate how much No-S has helped me learn more about myself and my body.

Hope everyone had a great weekend!
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If I may, I always suggest writing down and frequently reviewing the reasons you want to live a life of moderate food intake, either before you begin, or when you're stuck in a failure rut. What advantages does eating less have? How does No S support them? How is No S better than so many alternatives? Is there really any competition? If you suspect there might be, wouldn't it still be wiser to tread water with No S? That list was central to me when I started and when I've had periods of frequent failures. It would help me understand that I just couldn't stand to go back to my previous lifestyle, that nothing was likely going to make it easy, and that I could tolerate some desire for a few hours, reminding myself that that was all I had to do at any one time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great suggestion, oolala! I will absolutely begin writing those things down. Reading and writing are some of the only things that actually completely distract me from everything (if ever a fire ignites while I am in a library or bookstore, that day will be my last), so I think taking the time to write and think about/review those things when I need a distraction from any No-S/ADF "unpleasantness" could actually help prevent failures for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good suggestion oolala. I should write things down,too. 88, I've been thinking about keeping to three meals on weekends. I feel so out of control. I think that structure 7 days a week would help me a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning, everyone!
I hope you all are doing well.

Maggie, I definitely think sticking to that is the key for me! It feels liberating to eat whatever I want on the weekend, but I still feel like I am in control by sticking to the 3 plates. Snacking all day in front of the TV on the occasional lazy Saturday meant I was ingesting upwards of 4000 calories, and I would usually binge at night on top of that. And I am a very small woman! I still ate more calories than I typically do on a weekday this past weekend (not because I am counting, but because I have memorized a lot of calorie counts of foods from the days when I did count), but I still felt what I had been feeling all week - no real thought of food between meals and no desire to binge. It's so liberating!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posting here because it's3:00 pm. My challenging time of day. This is when I want to get out of control. Posting here instead. I'm thinking that maybe I have a fear of being hungry. Today I tried eating" normal meals" instead of piling my plates up. I had a bowl of cereal and coffee for breakfast, and a grilled chicken sandwich for lunch which I didn't finish because I was full. If I get hungry before dinner I'll have a glass of milk. I would have a coffee but I've had a lot of caffeine already. Looking forward to dinner. Planning on making baked potatoes with lots of toppings to choose from and maybe my smoothie for protein which is some plain Greek yogurt, half a banana and a spoon of peanut butter. It's such a good feeling when I do this. why do I keep straying from no S? I need to write down how I feel right now. How good it feels it to not be stuffed.
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Turns out I have a urinary tract infection so I will be having a few crackers when I get home to take my first dose of antibiotics. Not going to use it as an excuse to eat all night although that is tempting. The only thing helping me is that I'm slightly nauseated. It was caught early so thankfully not in much pain. I'll be using cranberry juice to stave off hunger. 😄
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaggieMae wrote:
Posting here because it's3:00 pm. My challenging time of day. This is when I want to get out of control. Posting here instead. I'm thinking that maybe I have a fear of being hungry. Today I tried eating" normal meals" instead of piling my plates up. I had a bowl of cereal and coffee for breakfast, and a grilled chicken sandwich for lunch which I didn't finish because I was full. If I get hungry before dinner I'll have a glass of milk. I would have a coffee but I've had a lot of caffeine already. Looking forward to dinner. Planning on making baked potatoes with lots of toppings to choose from and maybe my smoothie for protein which is some plain Greek yogurt, half a banana and a spoon of peanut butter. It's such a good feeling when I do this. why do I keep straying from no S? I need to write down how I feel right now. How good it feels it to not be stuffed.


LOVE this! I'm so sorry to hear you have a urinary tract infection though. I hope you feel better soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel better, Maggie!

Does anyone use a meal timer? I grew up eating lots of my meals on the go because I was in a lot of activities and the habit of vacuuming up an entire meal in minutes has stuck. I have been trying to concentrate more on eating more slowly since it is easier for me to tell when I have had enough, but I have only been able to make my meals last 15-20 minutes. I have seen some apps that help you slow down and eat, but I didn't know if that was being neurotic or not. Maybe I should just embrace the progress I have made for now and not worry too much about it? I just thought I read somewhere that taking 30+ minutes to eat is best for your body.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a slow eater by nature. My husband's always finished way before me. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you unless you're eating so fast that's its causing indigestion or something like that. I have heard taking twenty minutes to eat allows your brain time to get the signal that you are full.
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Oh good! I don't know where I got 30 minutes from. But I used to be able to eat an entire meal (way bigger than one plate) in under 5 minutes before. I've slowed down to 15-20 without even trying on No-S. It's funny how quickly we adapt. I am guessing subconsciously I realized that I was only getting one plate so I need to savor it! And it's definitely working.
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Being able to go from 5 to 20 consistently is a great advance! Let it evolve. I typically take 40 or more for dinner because I have so many veggies that I HAVE to chew, and because I'm grateful I don't have to fit it in to a 40-minute lunch break, but I"m pretty slow at the starches/fats/proteins now, too, because I really want to savor them! I allow myself at times to put half my starch/protein back on the stove or in the panini-type grill to keep it all hot. It's still what was on the plate to start.
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It's interesting that you say that because I have noticed that (duh!) the hotter I make my food, the less likely I am to shovel it down. My mouth is very sensitive to temperature so I have always eaten my food lukewarm. Since starting no-S, though, I am actually hungry by mealtime and consequently have been plating meals straight from the stove or oven. That has really forced me to slow down because I can't eat too much hot food at once. Reheating in the middle of the meal like you're doing sounds like a great strategy that I might be adopting in the future! I would love to get to the leisure hour-long mealtime at some point in the future, especially if it means I can do so outside among my plants. I think the calmer I make mealtime, the more likely I am to be more attuned with my body's signals. I have only had a few meals where I left food on the plate since starting no-S. This is huge progress for me, because I never did so in the past, but I would like to really build a habit where it will be easier for me to pinpoint satiety and stop more often.
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I almost never leave food on my plate. But I do put less to start than I did when I started. I aspire to being 80% full like the Okinawans, but obviously, not quite hard enough...yet. Shocked
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I am still in the stage where my plate is pretty much always full, so maybe a better goal would be to get where you are -- putting a bit less food on the plate. I think I will let it happen organically. I definitely ate much less this weekend compared to the weekend before without even thinking about it, so maybe I can trust myself a little here. I am trying to really break both the diet mindset and my neurotic need for perfection.
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Well , just finished my first weekend of my mod ( no snacks even on s days but allowed one sweet any day of the week if something special pops up). I felt so in control! This feels doable. I've still got a long way to go before I'm sane around food and don't think about dieting a lot but this past week gives me hope. I had two nights where I couldn't sleep because I was so hungry. The first night it happened I had a bowl of cereal at 1:00 am then went right to sleep. The second time I made hit chocolate at 2:00 am with real milk and then I was able to sleep.
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Hi Maggie,

MaggieMae wrote:
I had two nights where I couldn't sleep because I was so hungry.


It was to get over the problem of being hungry and not being able to sleep that I have allowed myself a mod of being able to have seconds if I feel like I haven't had enough dinner. I have to decide straight away after finishing a meal. Seconds weren't my problem, and I have only used this very occasionally since joining the forum. I find having the option a great mental safety net.

For my first year on No S (before joining the forum) I had problems with getting hungry and then trying to decide whether to tough it out or end up night eating. Neither alternative is very appealing, and it contributed to not really establishing a solid 3 meal a day eating pattern.

I hope you find a way of eating that is suitable for you that you can maintain indefinitely.

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Thank you for the advice, lady bird! Last night I drank a glass of milk right before bed and this time it worked. I think you hit on a good point.... The night I ended up needing the bowl of cereal I had eaten a very light dinner. I will make sure my meals can get me through.
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Just ordered a pretty summer dress for myself. It's lane bryant. I love their dresses but they usually start at $75. I found this one on eBay for $25 and free shipping.Also going to go shopping with my mom in a few days and I might buy a new purse. I've been using tote bags to carry around all the stuff my son might need ( sippy, snacks,pull ups, etc) but I'm ready to go back to using a big girl purse. Lol. Also, I never keep up my hairstyles. I'll get it cut then let it grow out for the next 6 months. Well, I'm getting my haircut next week just like my stylist suggested. Why do I mention all of this? Because I'm not basing my happiness on my weight anymore. I can dress cute and have my hair look styled without waiting to get down to a goal weight. It's been too long that I 've let myself look frumpy because I figure why bother? Overweight so I'll look bad anyway. I'm hoping to move past that.
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Absolutely!
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Maggie, good for you! That definitely resonates, as I also have been one to put my life on hold while trying to lose weight. I am constantly battling this subconscious belief that since I am fat, there is no point in trying to look nice. I almost feel like it is a defense mechanism that I built up after years of putting in a lot of effort and still being ignored because of my weight while my thin friends didn't try nearly as hard and would get lots of attention. This was when attention/level of attractiveness was the pinnacle of achievement when I was younger. I definitely don't place much value on that anymore, but I think the underlying thoughts/habits have stuck around. I always feel so much better about myself when I take the time to take care of myself and dress how I want, and you reminded me of that. I need to stop waiting to hit goal weight to live more vibrantly.
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I had my first red day yesterday, which is a bummer since I would've hit 21 days on Saturday. I think I am just not eating enough to make up for the exercise I'm doing, but I am really afraid of overeating. I'm only 4'9" so the amount of food I actually need is supposedly very little, but I like the size of the meals I eat now since they hold me over without needing to snack in between. Intermittent fasting has been a tool I have used for its health benefits AND to easily cut down on the amount of food I consume without really thinking. I'm deathly afraid that if I eat 3 meals a day every single day that I will gain because I really don't want to decrease their volume and risk binging in between means. I just don't think I have the psychological strength to work out consistently and still gain weight because I have eaten too much. Any advice?

ETA: I have been doing some reading and found some studies that our bodies naturally crave quick-releasing sugar post-workout to repair muscles (which is probably why I binged on sugary foods after dinner) AND another duh moment - we need protein after workouts. I have always known this to be true but wasn't paying much attention last night. I exercise in the evenings, and my dinner was all starch and green veggies. I am going to start having a small protein shake with dinner to get the quick-releasing nutrition and protein AND ensure my meals have a protein source. I almost always have beans or tofu at dinner, but I was too lazy to add them to my meal last night. No more of that! I hope this will be the fix I need to maintain my intermittent fasting schedule.
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Took June off from tracking in the Habitcal.
I have not done too bad. I really do this without thinking about it.
Thinking I will use the Habitcal again in July.
I am enjoying the freedom of not counting.
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bd, go ahead and experiment but remember that humans have been working long and hard hours without having frequent access to food for centuries. Sometimes there are biological things going on and sometimes it's just the eating habit brain pattern messing with us. Maybe the body just needs time to get good at drawing the energy it needs from its stores. Also, it's becoming very common in fitness circles to work out fasted and eat afterwards. The longevity researcher Mark Mattson daily does not eat anything until he runs AFTER his workday ends mid-afternoon. (He is at his desk around 5 am or so.) I'm not suggesting you try the same, just that the body is capable of a lot of variations; some of them are a bit more habit-friendly than others. You'll find your way.
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MaggieMae wrote:
Just ordered a pretty summer dress for myself. It's lane bryant. I love their dresses but they usually start at $75. I found this one on eBay for $25 and free shipping.Also going to go shopping with my mom in a few days and I might buy a new purse. I've been using tote bags to carry around all the stuff my son might need ( sippy, snacks,pull ups, etc) but I'm ready to go back to using a big girl purse. Lol. Also, I never keep up my hairstyles. I'll get it cut then let it grow out for the next 6 months. Well, I'm getting my haircut next week just like my stylist suggested. Why do I mention all of this? Because I'm not basing my happiness on my weight anymore. I can dress cute and have my hair look styled without waiting to get down to a goal weight. It's been too long that I 've let myself look frumpy because I figure why bother? Overweight so I'll look bad anyway. I'm hoping to move past that.


SOOO glad to hear this, MaggieMae! I think one of the things that No-S reminds me of is to have self-respect. It's okay to not be perfect, to be in process and working on things like weight--but yes, you can still look cute! I hope you enjoy your new haircut next week and your new dress!
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bd88 wrote:
I'm deathly afraid that if I eat 3 meals a day every single day that I will gain because I really don't want to decrease their volume and risk binging in between means. I just don't think I have the psychological strength to work out consistently and still gain weight because I have eaten too much. Any advice?


My first thought is that it's so early on in No-S for you right now--give yourself time to see whether what you are doing works. Don't make more adjustments or be more extreme unless you need to.

That said, I occasionally only have 2 meals--not very often, but like today, dh and I went out to breakfast around 10 and I had half of one of those skillets and 2 pieces of raisin toast. Brought the other half home, but still--I'm sure it was plenty of food! So then I didn't eat again until dinner (and really wasn't hungry until about 45 minutes before).

On a "normal" day for me, my breakfast is light--a fruit-yogurt smoothie, and then a lunch about 3 or so hours later. So it's not unlike what some people do with intermittent fasting. (My eating window is often within about 8 hours, though sometimes it's more like 10 hours. I'm not specifically aiming at times, just what I've noticed.)

Anyway, give yourself some time and room. And don't worry about the red day--you'll hit the 21 day club soon! (I actually don't think I ever remembered to post in there--too funny!)
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Thank you so much for the responses, oolala and Merry!

I am a big proponent of fasted exercise and have done so in the past with great success. This is the first time I have done it while not on a LCHP diet, though, so I think I just had to figure out what would work best in my current circumstance now that I am vegan.
I experimented yesterday by doing my normal workout (about 5 hours after lunch), and then had a protein shake with a strictly starch-based dinner right after to see if it made a difference, and it did! I was not hungry or craving sugar afterwards even though my main meal didn't contain any adequate sources of protein. Obviously, I know I need protein and strive to get it in all 3 of my meals, but occasionally I do have a lower protein meal. It's good to know that the shake will also work. I will definitely continue that practice.

Merry, you are right in that I need to give myself some time. I am a perfectionist with things and can become obsessive. I am happy, however, that I didn't let not reaching my goal of joining the club in my first 21 days completely derail me, which is something I definitely would've done in the past. Embracing the no-S lifestyle has done wonders for my psyche. But I clearly still have some work to do!

Welcome back, threewhales!
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Last day of the first half of 2017. And a Friday to boot! For most of us, that means just one more day before a SOMETIMES day. Hang in there!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too happy with today's weigh-in, but I am trying to move on. I'm down 2 pounds after 3 weeks, which means I gained a little over a pound along the way since I lost over 3 in my first week. I guess I am happy the two are gone at least, unless this means I will continue a slow gain. I have adjusted my monthly weigh-in days, so I am going to weigh again in two weeks and see what happens. I decided to do measurements today too, so I hope to see progress there as well. I am definitely okay with losing inches in lieu of pounds, but no progress in both of those areas will definitely be a problem.

I've never lost this slow before, so I am kind of at a loss, especially because I am not even eating 3 meals a day. I shudder to think what would happen if I did. Weighing once a month is bittersweet. I didn't have to see the fluctuations, which usually sends me on an emotional rollercoaster, but I also feel like maybe I could've seen the gain earlier and done something about it, though I am not sure what I would do differently. I definitely can't imagine eating any less and thinking it will be sustainable.

In other news, I am happy today and tomorrow are S-days because the fiancé made cookies last night. I will also have my first NWS-day on Monday for my cousin's wedding as I will likely have two plates at dinner -- one for salad and the other for my meal.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!
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TexArk



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just want all to know that I am still working the plan, but don't have time right now to post much. I am committed to NoS. I have the 3 meals down and no snacking or sweets. For the last month or so I have been consciously making my plates for lunch and dinner 2/3 veggies/fruit and am working on getting enough fiber. I knew my meals were too dense but I had to get the NoS habits back in place after a too long hiatus. It is helping with some stalled weight loss. Hoping it will help in blood test results coming up this month.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bd, I wrote to you separately. Just know there are people here who eventually lost but had your experience in the beginning. Try to concentrate on the other benefits of the system for now. People rarely keep up with any plan just because they lose weight on it. Otherwise, almost none of us would be here. They have to LIKE the new lifestyle enough to keep it up anyway.

TexArk, thanks for updating the team. I consider it ideal when someone just has No S fit and she can go on with the rest of life even if it means we don't hear from her a lot. I SHOULD be busy enough for that. This is just easier and more pleasant for me, like eating used to be. Confused
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