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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't remember talking about using dessert plates. I don't like using little plates, although I'll sometimes put my morning bread on a saucer. I have luncheon plates but they're 8", I think. Anything smaller than that and I feel like I'm sitting at the kids' table. But the dense food is usually less than half the plate in volume.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops...not sure why I thought that, Oolala!

I have found old calendars that I keep in the past that are marked with Habitcal. I was on No S longer than I thought, second time around. Toward the end of my vanilla No S, I added counting bites for a few weeks, stopped that, then tried my own combo of "wise" diet advice. Then all quiet on the [eastern] front.

Throughout all, I'd add comments of why I got a red day, and some of these entries, sound pathetic or desperate.

I feel a lot more calm this time around, even though I'm eating less. There is hope for anyone struggling like I did. Giving it time, a little tweaking of your plates, and adding mods, if necessary. No S designed specifically for you, and...eureka!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We like to say there are no stages, unlike diets where people do some crash version, etc., but there really are for most of us.

Isn't it interesting to look back and see how much we clung to our eating? But I don't think we can rush the process, at least not without some compelling reason. It just evolves and I think even the down times are part of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
Isn't it interesting to look back and see how much we clung to our eating? But I don't think we can rush the process, at least not without some compelling reason. It just evolves and I think even the down times are part of it.

I was attempting to rush the process recently when my husband wanted to go out for breakfast, and yesterday another breakfast out with my daughter. All I could think about is, 'this is going to set me back.' Then I came to my senses and saw how little I actually ate out, how much I enjoy it, and I usually take home 1/2 the food for another day, anyway. I have the rest of my life to eat moderately. What's the rush?

Today (Saturday), so far has been good. I bought doughnuts at the Amish Mart, and for breakfast I had about a half of one. I was going to sample another flavor, but I will eat a sweet after lunch as usual, so why not save it for then? No S makes me think things through more rationally. Hopefully, it will spill over into other areas!

Yesterday, my daughter and I found a natural soap store in a Market. All the beautiful smells! I spent too much money there, but it was the most excited I've been in a store that wasn't a bakery. That was exciting as well!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With No S, it's almost an advantage that restaurants push so much food. Nearly everything is half price when you get two meals out of it! Sometimes I even get three, but I just about always add my own freggies.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think about how I used to order a Chinese takeout lunch, with one pint of wonton soup included, and eat the entire thing at one sitting. Now I can make that baby last for 5 days!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a wild weekend, but did gain 2 lbs over it. That's pretty normal for No Ser's like us. Didn't Brian Wansink say that even losers and maintainers do this? But then lose it all by the end of the week. That may be a challenge for me this week: visiting relatives, cooking ahead for Easter, lots of company on Sat means lots of desserts (daughter will miss Easter dinner if I have it on Sunday).

Oh well, it's like medical doctors practicing medicine throughout their careers, and we practice our No S throughout our lives.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do your best to put food on a plate for each meal and try to eat so that you're hungry for the next one. If you're not, consider eating less.

But enjoy every bite.

And if it's more active, fill up on the company and ambience. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
And if it's more active, fill up on the company and ambience. Smile
Thanks Oolala. With 10 grandkids going to be in the house, that will be some kind of ambience Shocked Looking forward to it, though Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried a recipe called, Baked Ravioli Casserole yesterday. I always read reviews, because many times they have wisdom. The raviolis just wouldn't cook through on the edges, as it's a thicker pasta. I had to stir them up from the bottom, messing up my layering. This is what I get for practicing on people other then family. Much sampling for doneness, done me in. It is a fail day, on my manual calendar.

Usually by this morning, I have lost the weight gain from the weekend. Not so this week. But I'm happy to see the 130's again. As I lose, it takes less food to lose further, and even to sustain the lower weight. I'll keep to my 2-3 meals a day. I also will keep to my sweet mod, at least for now, because since I implemented it, it has kept my S-days lighter.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My No S is steady going with a small plate and a sweet mod. My last recorded weight was on 3/31 @ 138-1/4 lbs. As of this morning it was 136-1/4 lbs. I may drop a bit or gain some from there, especially after the weekend.

My S days are still pretty much under control, normally. This past Sat, though, I ate at a party with some delicious foods, and it was hard to stop. My stomach ached, which was something that hasn't happened in quite a while. I skipped dessert, which was unheard of for me, and even the thought of taking it home was a turnoff, so I didn't. And a plus was that I didn't think the next day, "why didn't I take that cake home. I knew I would be hungry for it later."

My N days, with the sweet mod are doing okay, except for my unusual penchant toward Tastycakes on 1/2 price sale. So I buy a few boxes of my old favorites. I get them home and will only eat one piece in a package after dinner, or on an S day, eat a couple pieces for breakfast, for my junk food Saturday. But the other 4 people in the house aren't cooperating with me, so it's me and the Taskycakes. You always hear, "Never food shop hungry." I think I should try eating some breakfast before shopping, but just not cereal; it feels like I never ate anything. An egg with toast may help. Tastycakes don't even taste as good anymore, what with more of the added chemicals. I know that this has slowed down my weightloss. I'm sliding down that slippery slope, in spite of my days called "green."
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll probably "get over" them, either naturally, or from not being willing to let them hold you back eventually, if you think they are.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be right, Oolala. I had an ice cream novelty obsession for years, but to overcome, I would take a detour in the supermarket. Now I can pass it by, but I don't look at it. Not a lingering look, anyway Confused

I'm finding it harder to get those last several lbs off to reach the edge of the normal BMI. I rarely eat breakfast during the week, I eat on a small plate, and I don't load it up, although, my dinners are not that light. My sweet mod is quite small after lunch and dinner, which in turn has helped me curb the S days. I exercise only a little, trying to get more than 2 or 3 days of stretching in. I'm not crazy about exercise, but this is tolerable, almost pleasant. I just rather be doing something else. I did lose quite a bit of weight and I'm not unhappy with this.

Oolala, you have taken off weight at a goodly age and reached your normal BMI. Weren't those last 5-10 lbs rough to come off of you? Were there any magic tricks up your sleeve to get there?
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took me two years to get to a normal BMI but I was never doing anything specifically to get to it. There were many plateaus along the way and I rarely adjusted anything because of the scale. I'll let you know that I had some very light eating on S days at times, sometimes eating way less on one day a weekend than I did even on an N day. It wasn't to lose weight, as I never pursued that. I was just always trying to cooperate with my lessened hunger (even though I often still want food). Sometimes weight loss would follow a weekend like that, sometimes not. I'm glad I was never doing it for that purpose. Otherwise, it would have felt like I was torturing myself for no good reason when I would eat so lightly and have a lot of fluctuation after it. Any weight that did come off would usually come in a spurt that was almost impossible to trace back to individual days. it would just seem like the body finally accepted the lowered overall amount over the course of several weeks or months and shift downwards.

I gently suggest that you consider what else you might want that more eating changes could get you besides weight loss, something you can't get eating the way your are now. People often lose weight as a side effect when they make changes for other reasons/values. That's pretty much how it's been for me. This is not to say that I"m not reducing my intake. I am. But I'd be doing what I'm doing whether it netted loss or not.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:


I gently suggest that you consider what else you might want that more eating changes could get you besides weight loss, something you can't get eating the way your are now. People often lose weight as a side effect when they make changes for other reasons/values. That's pretty much how it's been for me. This is not to say that I"m not reducing my intake. I am. But I'd be doing what I'm doing whether it netted loss or not.

That is a good question to ponder. At the start of No S success, my reflux disappeared, and as I continue to lose weight, I hardly feel pain anymore in the knees when climbing stairs, I don't snore anymore, either (on the other hand, losing weight has brought about the faint lines of wrinkles beginning in my face, and neck is starting to get crepe-like).

Thank you, Oolala. It's food for thought - the zero calorie kind.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My skin has gotten incredibly crepey on arms and more recently on chest, but I ascribe that to the years of reduced hormones after menopause. It's possible I had never been heavier it would be less pronounced, but I'll never know now...

How do you feel energetically? Or in terms of stomach comfort when eating less? How much do you enjoy your food when you stick to the plan or don't get so full?

No reflux, less pain in the knees, no snoring. These are very good reasons to give up some eating pleasure, I would think. Especially when you still get to eat some great meals!

And I bet you'll start noticing more.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala, my energy is like this: I have to drag myself to begin a cleaning project, but when it comes to something I like to do, like cook a new recipe or take a nap, I jump to it, lol. I guess that is nearly everyone's problem at every age. But getting older, it seems I prefer those sedentary activities, like the computer, watching tv or reading.

As far as enjoying my smaller meals? More than ever! I feel better in the stomach, and yes, energy-wise, it's easier to propel myself out of the chair to clean up. If there is a particular meal I like and I made enough for my guys to eat seconds, I will squirrel away a small portion of it for lunch so I don't feel sorry for myself.

Thank you for the encouragement!
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant more what is your energy like when you don't overeat. Sure, it can also be influenced by what it is you have to do. Unpleasant tasks stay undone at my house for years, sometimes. Yet there's time for the internet, movies, reading, talking on the phone, etc. Confused

But my body feels better more often when I don't overeat. That's a motivation for saying no when I still sometimes WANT to eat after a perfectly reasonable amount of food. Actually, like now... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'll put it this way...when I was on IF for a year or two, I really had plenty of energy those days that I didn't eat until dinner. I just grew "weary" of not eating! Now, most weekdays I don't eat breakfast, just coffee with a bit of cream, and mornings are my best self.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it funny? but annoying funny. I've kinda been able to get some distance from being frustrated with wanting to eat when I'm not hungry, but it took some doing, and yes, it can be wearying. But I'm in a bit of a groove with it right now. I have a low eating day every third or fourth day now, and I like the rhythm of it. I'm often not hungry for my meals on other days but I like eating them. I still want to eat. What's it like to forget to eat or to feel very content with not eating a meal when I'm not actually hungry for it? I have little enough real hunger to do it, but I never forget that I haven't eaten.

Three nice meals today, right?
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala,
I used to feel stomach growls when I got hungry. Even when I don't eat past dinnertime until next day's lunch, I rarely get that growl. I miss it. It's not as forthcoming, feeling that growl, as you age. My meals are quite small, albeit dense, but dense makes me happy.

Red yesterday. Went to a senior citizen dinner, as a guest, with my mother. Food was good, and I only took the food I wanted, so not a large amount. They served each of us two desserts, but I only wanted one type. Did really well for one who rarely eats out. It would have been a green day, not even a NWS day since I have the sweet mod. If I had eaten the second dessert, it would have been marked NWS for me, just so I know what makes my weight go up. Information. But when I came home, I couldn't stop eating the nuts and pistachios given to me. Then I started on the cotton candy grapes, and couldn't stop eating those either. Nothing was "bad" for me, but my mod is sweets with lunch and dinner, not snacks. My grandmother always said, "Honey, once you start eating between meals, it's hard to stop."

I picked up 3/4 lb from it. It may come back off by tomorrow, or a bit of it, but now we are facing the sweekend (as kaalii likes to call it), and I usually would have a small deficit going in.

Another learning experience.

UPDATE: Just went back to eating normally on my smaller plate for one day and the excess - plus another little bit - came off. My sweet after dinner was some cut-up fruit with a good spoonful of vanilla yogurt on top. Maybe that helped instead of some type of junky food.

In summary, if you have a red day, don't let it derail you. Just go back to No S compliance next day and it will come off again. How long? That depends on how much you overate and your own personal self. All I know is me; short, older, and don't move around much.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious what you would do next time in similar situation. Put nuts away as soon as home? Left them there?

I miss real hunger, too.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what I'd do next time. No one was home at the time, so even though I sorta put the snacks out of the way, they were not out of mind. I'm just glad it doesn't happen that often. I think it's the messing with my routine that's messing with me. I just need more practice to learn resolve!

My sons come home with lots of candy bars (love) from visiting their grandmother quite often. I'll ask for a couple from my favorite one, and eat them at an appropriate time. I stay out of their stash, otherwise, as I feel like I'm stealing from them, although I know they would share. There is a shame factor involved with my asking for more candy. A good thing.
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