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Chotzinoff



Joined: 26 Oct 2017
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Location: Austin Texas

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: to weigh or not to weigh? Reply with quote

I'm almost a month into No-S. I can't say enough good things about how sane and revolutionary it is. This question concerns how to manage my neuroticism and my expectations. I have decades of eating issues in my past. First diet age 7, when I was in no way overweight. I'm now 59. Continuing on until about ten years ago when I was alternately between 10 and 30 pounds overweight depending on what kind of scale you use. For instance, there were lots of times when my body composition was quite healthy--22% fat--but I weighed 170 pounds. I was one of those people who grew terrified of the scale. The old thing where if you're down a pound you're superhuman and if you're up a half a pound you just suck. I spent the past 4 or 5 years trying intuitive eating and getting nowhere. That school of thought does not hold with scales or even with trying to lose weight, and until I found No-S, I thought they made a good case that most weight-loss diets are doomed to fail, so I avoided scales and any measure of size, but I know I gained quite a bit of weight during this experiment. How much I couldn't say.

Now I'm using habitcal and taking my measurements. My waist shrunk by 1.5" in the first week and everything else has stayed exactly the same. I am very confused about whether to weigh myself, whether weight matters and how to handle the inevitable ups and downs in my mood if I do start tracking. On the other hand, though, I love eating the No-S way, and it seems okay to hope I would lose weight. And how will I know if I have no baseline?

Does anyone out there have any experience with this? I'm not talking about someone who would have had rational, reasonable success with weight watchers. I refer to a headcase such as myself. Please share if you've been where I am, and tell me if you decided to weigh or not.
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Larkspur



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of us use Happy Scale, an app that averages weight and kind of helps you not get too worked up about it.

I do weigh most days, but I am fairly good (FAIRLY) about not getting too freaked out over numbers. I think I could actually safely weigh much less often now, but for most of my life not looking ==> unpleasant weight gain.

I think if it makes you crazy I would not, but if you can treat it as a tool and not a measure of self worth, it can be informative.
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Chotzinoff



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for weighing in (ha ha) larkspur. I suppose you brought up the right point: IF I can treat it as a tool. This would imply, say, that if I turned out not to be losing weight, I could look at my habitcal history and make adjustments to how much I was eating. I'm not sure I have that kind of self-will though. Right now, it's all I can do to just follow No-S, which doesn't require any real science or self-control other than some very easy-to-follow guidelines. If it turns out I don't have the ability to lose weight by following these simple guidelines, my self-worth might take a hit as well.

I am still finding this a little confusing. The only thing I'm pretty sure of that this is a good way to eat. So even if I didn't lose weight, or did, but at a glacial pace, I would keep eating this way because it's such a weight off my mind. However, I still do want to think that eating this way would yield some weight loss results.
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gingerpie



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a lot of people don't weigh at all. They use the fit of their clothes as a gauge. I used to weigh but it never played with my head so it didn't matter too much. About 2 months ago I stopped weighing all together and I think it has helped me to put aside the goal of weight loss and focus on the goal of behaving like to person I want to be.

good luck to you.
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Chotzinoff



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for that goal--to be more of the person I want to be. That's a worthy goal, gingerpie. What do others think? Is weight loss as a result of No-S a worthy goal also, or is it something not to focus on too much?
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SpiritSong



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chotzinoff wrote:
Is weight loss as a result of No-S a worthy goal also, or is it something not to focus on too much?


It depends on your starting point. If food was ruling your life, using No S to acquire food sanity would be your main goal.

If you were eating too many sweets on a daily basis, using No S to break the sugar addiction would be the main goal.

For me, I was traveling down a road towards health problems, and I wanted No S to help me lose weight. (I was going to weigh once a month, but the scale wasn't moving, so now I weigh daily with a tracking app to see how the numbers are trending and for more immediate feedback on any changes I made to my routine.)
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Bluebell



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few thoughts from me.
NoS has helped me both lose weight and have a healthy relationship with food, for the first time ever in my adult life. (I am 42 and was a classic yoyo dieter, tried pretty much every diet out there over the years)
For me, it is more stressful to try and stay away from the scales. I find it better to hop on every morning, I'm just one of those people who likes to know where things are.
However, over time with the help of NoS, I have become completely relaxed around what the scales say. I have learned that a gain or loss of a pound or two is actually inconsequential. What matters more is how I am feeling around food and whether or not today has been a day where I have exercised moderation with my eating habits.
I am currently maintaining my weight loss of 28 pounds, and most days it feels just fine. Some days I have more of a struggle, however I can honestly say that the numbers on the scales have not caused or added to the struggle.
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ironchef



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm one of those who weighs most days, but tracks the trend, not the individual numbers.

For me, depending on what I have eaten and drunk, and when, my weight within a single day can range over several pounds. Obviously that doesn't mean my body is magically putting pounds of body fat on and off in a matter of hours! Paying attention to the individual values would be crazy-making. So, calculating a trend has been the only way for me.

I've tried periods of not weighing, mostly when my scales broke and I didn't bother replacing them. I find after several months of not weighing my weight tends to creep up, so weighing suits me.
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lin47



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like you, I tend to get neurotic when I start weighing. Unfortunately, in the past, I've allowed it to mess with my mind to the point where it influenced my eating decisions (e.g., weight down = license to eat more; weigh more = discouragement, and possibly eating more because "I give up"---in other words, eat more no matter what). When I first lost 45 lbs about six years ago, I didn't weigh myself at all until 6 months in, and by then, I had reached my goal weight. I liked that because I felt not weighing helped me put the focus on changing my behaviors, eating healthier, etc.

In short, I think that if you know that it's going to drive you crazy, don't do it. A compromise would be to weigh yourself after a few months just to see your progress in numbers. That way, you can put more focus on habits.
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Chotzinoff



Joined: 26 Oct 2017
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for that. It's really good to hear that someone else is so much like me and also had so much success. I really appreciate the distinction between habit and weight loss.
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oolala53



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if you've gotten enough feedback but here's plenty

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5928

I am probably repeating myself from the above thread, but here goes.
I did weigh my first two years; I weighed every day and averaged it once a week. I was never willing to do anything differently no matter what it said. I was already asking all I could of myself.

I think it depends on its functionality for you. If it helps you eat less, do it. If it sends you into a tizzy, making you throw in the towel, say what's the point, and start eating, well... I think you know what to do.

I also recommend (though you didn't ask) against have a weight loss goal. I know the weight loss literature says it is more effective than not, but I've seen it derail people over and over. As Reinhard says, have a behavior goal, and see where you land. I weighed in the beginning only as a curiosity. I didn't actually think I'd lose much. Loss was not steady and it took a few years but it hovers between a 40-50 lb. loss.
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Chotzinoff



Joined: 26 Oct 2017
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A reply from Oolala! What a way to start the week!
So far, I have decided against weighing. I don't have the strength NOT to get into the tizzy of it all, so I'm just trying to build another month of vanilla No-S, with the occasional measurement of the tape. It gives me a feeling of security to have an entire thread to read when I lose inspiration.
Thanks again, Oolala.
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