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sharon227



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the support, oolala & automatedeating! And you are so right, oolala. Thinking "I'll just be happy if [fill in the blank]" almost never works. There's always another goal to look toward. I've got to balance the current moment with wishes for the future.

What's different about NoS for me is that I really enjoy my meals more. Ture, I don't like being hungry sometimes between meals or in the evening, but I do finally grasp that the reason I'm enjoying my meals more is that I'm not permasnacking all day. I'd sure love to have the occasional bowl of fruit after my one plate of food, or take small seconds if I'm still hungry -- and I might experiment with that once I reach my goal weight -- but I really don't want to go back to eating constantly from morning til night.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:50 am    Post subject: P Reply with quote

Something else strange - for me - happened tonight. I went to a local organization's pre-Halloween party. I decided I would count it as an S day if it was compelling enough for me to have sweets or snacks there. I ate a ton at that party last year. Tonight? There was candy and popcorn there and I didn’t really feel like I needed it. I had some warm apple cider and that was fine. Quite a change from previous behavior! I think it helped that I had a substantial and filling dinner of real food, not “diet food,” before I went. With Weight Watchers - old WW anyway, I haven’t been on program in ages - I likely would have had a smaller dinner to save points for snacks. That’s the wrong way to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice victory! I love it when those unexpected but pleasant mental health victories occur on NoS!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: P Reply with quote

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Something else strange - for me - happened tonight. I went to a local organization's pre-Halloween party. I decided I would count it as an S day if it was compelling enough for me to have sweets or snacks there. I ate a ton at that party last year. Tonight? There was candy and popcorn there and I didn’t really feel like I needed it. I had some warm apple cider and that was fine. Quite a change from previous behavior! I think it helped that I had a substantial and filling dinner of real food, not “diet food,” before I went. With Weight Watchers - old WW anyway, I haven’t been on program in ages - I likely would have had a smaller dinner to save points for snacks. That’s the wrong way to go.


That's a real win
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much easier to resist junk when we are properly fed at meal times. Congrats.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I'm kind of amazed, but my eating feels under control, yet I'm not feeling particularly deprived. Oh, when Monday rolls around, I miss being able to have a snack or a sweet, but it's manageable.

It astonishes me that I am not stress eating anymore when I work at home. Usually every time I needed a little inspiration or break, off to the kitchen I'd go to stuff a handful of something in my face, sometimes healthy fruit or nuts, other times unhealthy crap. Now I try to get up and walk around a little, or stretch. When I got really crazy one day this week and none of that worked, I poured myself a little bit of cider, drank it slowly, and it was fine.

To think I didn't need to be doing all that stress eating over the years! If I'd only known!

When I was feeling ravenous at lunchtime yesterday, I treated myself to a nice takeout lunch from a local restaurant -- and then had pizza last night. But I stuck to one plate at each meal -- big, robust, full-to-the-brim plates, but one. I enjoyed my food immensely, didn't feel horribly stuffed afterwards, and it was all good.

My weight crept up a bit this week. But it's done that before only to go down again. I do wish my weight loss was going faster than my 1 lb a month, but hopefully I'll continue to lose at my glacial pace. Meanwhile, I'm trying to focus on my habits, too. And enjoying my food!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are good victories about not snacking! It's empowering, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, automated eating. It is empowering!

There was a Halloween party at work today. I just decided not to go. Too many temptations, and I’m really not in the mood to be eating large amounts of processed sugar and corn syrup. I know how lousy I feel when I eat too much of that. Better not to start. Even better map to see it.

I’ve caught a cold, which I suppose might qualify as getting sick, which lets us go off the N day routines and do what we need to make ourselves well. But I couldn’t really argue that eating a bunch of candy corn and chocolate bars would help me get well!

I did have a big bowl of soup to start dinner, though, and then ended up having a big full plate of food. I thought I'd just have half a plate, but then took a small second portion and then a third portion to fill the other half of the plate. Not exactly on program, but I was legitimately hungry. And did I mention that I have a cold? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still eating more than I'd like on weekends, but I wasn't out of control or truly an idiot about it. That seems like progress. And while I had multiple sweets and junk food, they were much smaller portions than I used to have. I had a few handfuls of potato chips, not half a bag. I had a small amount of cake, not a huge piece. And a little frozen yogurt, not a big bowl until I was stuffed.

I'm planning on calling Halloween an S day, but I do NOT want to be eating as much candy as humanly possible. Am wondering if I should keep it an N day and save some candy for the weekend. Will see how I feel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halloween is definitely an N Day for me. But I'm not sure how old you are, haha. When I was in my 20's or younger, I would have indulged. Now all of that candy just looks yucky to me, so not much of a temptation. Edit/honesty intrusion -- um, ok if they have snickers....I do love those little snickers. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharon it sounds like you've really got this. A lb a month can feel slow but it is nearly a stone in a year. When you are ready if you want to lose more concentrate on stopping eating when you feel satisfied. You could if not already add in a bit of walking or other exercise.

But if it is working you don't need to do too much else

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Soprano. I think trying not to overstuff myself is definitely a good next step. I am already exercising pretty vigorously -- usually 45 minutes a day, brisk walking or running intervals on cardio days, 1 or 2 days a week of weights as well -- which is why it's particularly disappointing the weight loss is so slow. But you are right, after a year of this I'd be quite happy with results at 1 lb/week.

I am ... definitely no longer young, automatedeating Very Happy But I have an issue with peanut M&Ms. I think I'd like to enjoy some today, since unfortunately my husband bought those as some of the candy we're giving out. I was hoping he'd stick to the plain ones, which I don't care for.

I had a difficult day yesterday and on top of that I was ravenous between lunch and dinner. (Probably not a coincidence.) I toyed with calling it an S day and having a snack, but I decided that I like being a person who doesn't snack between meals during the week. So I had 2 small glasses of apple cider and walked around the house a bit (was working from home), and that tided me over until dinner.

I wanted to make sure I ate enough at dinner. Had a bowl of homemade chicken vegetable soup (yum), and added a small dinner plate with half a turkey sandwich on whole grain bread, a whole grain roll, a few BBQ potato chips (which I never have during the week, but I wanted them and decided a small amount was fine), and a small apple & small piece of cheese crammed on for dessert. I felt satisfied and slightly full but not stuffed.

So it wasn't a "perfectly healthy and low-calorie day" but my attitude about this has changed. I consider it a great day. Despite challenges, I kept to my new habits and made a lot of good choices without necessarily being perfect. But perfect does indeed end up being the enemy of the good. Deny myself foods I enjoy for weeks, months, years ... and eventually I'll head off the rails and overeat them. Yesterday I had one small portion of chips without eating half the bag and enjoyed them. Like normal people used to eat. In moderation. Not viewing some foods as "good" and other foods as "bad", but some foods as being staple foods to eat regularly and other foods to enjoy occasionally in small amounts.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an inspiring post!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or everyday foods and treat foods - still not good or bad. I'm not a fan of the clean eating metaphor either - what is not eating clean - dirty, unclean. Not a good image.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Soprano! And yes, ladybird, good point. What is not eating "clean"??

I chose to make Halloween an S day holiday. I had 2 small packages of fun-size M&Ms with peanuts, a piece of cheese and some grapes as a snack (making me feel much better than diving into more candy), and a tiny sliver of cake. I was about to take a full piece of cake out of the freezer, but I decided that I like being a person who enjoys small amounts of sweets in moderation occasionally.

I also took a two-and-a-half mile walk at lunchtime (around 40 minutes).

It will be key to wait for my next candy treats until the weekend. I think I'll be fine. I didn't eat too many sweets today, but I feel them. I'm not sure I like that feeling anymore.

I've scheduled lunch with some friends tomorrow, giving me the best possible chance to enjoy being back to my weekday habits.

It's my week to not weigh this week, and I'm not tempted to get on the scale to see if I've been "punished" for enjoying my food this week. This is a big and good change.

I'm going to the doctor in a few weeks, so I will be interested how my blood work responds to me losing a little weight but being less strict about what I eat. That will be the real measure of whether my current routines are good for me or I need to think about being a bit more strict with my food choices.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with the bloods. I had some borderline highs for cholesterol and diabetes, not worrying as Dr said re test in a year so I'll be interested to see if my changes have had a positive impact too but won't know until June!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very inspiring posts to catch up on here, thank you. Good luck with the bloods and keep us updated.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Soprano and eschano!

Off I go to have a healthy breakfast (whole grain cereal and fruit)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stressful day, I went to the gym after work and did an intense (for me) 50-minute session of running intervals on the treadmill. We took in pizza for dinner, I had one slice and a big pile of salad instead of my usual 2 slices. I really wanted more at the time, but when I finished, I was sated but not stuffed. My new goal!

I took a peek at the scale today. I've been having big portions and some calorie-dense foods this week, including a nice, large portion Chinese lunch yesterday, and I wanted to make sure I wasn't starting to de-rail. What typically happens when I gain weight is that I start making poor choices and then stop weighing myself altogether, fooling myself into thinking everything is fine. Well, I was only up 0.2, which is basically not up at all. I'm enjoying my food and not gaining! That is excellent. Great model for my future maintenance.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharon227 wrote:
What typically happens when I gain weight is that I start making poor choices and then stop weighing myself altogether


I totally relate! I do this too!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharon227 wrote:
I really wanted more at the time, but when I finished, I was sated but not stuffed.


Yay!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great attitude Sharon, well done Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the support, Soprano and ladydbird! And automatedeating, glad to hear I'm not alone in stopping weighing when I start making poor food choices. My sister says she weighs every day no matter what. Which I guess lets you know what's happening if you can focus on the overall trends and not the day-to-day fluctuations. For awhile, I was weighing every day and tracking my 7-day average. But I think Reinhard is right that the fluctuations may end up making you feel bad even if things are moving in a good direction. I'll see what next week shows -- I currently weigh every other Tues/Wed/Thurs and average those.

I sneaked onto the scale this morning and am up another half a pound. But I also discovered that my usual jeans are starting to be loose around the waist, to the point where I'm going to need a belt soon. So that seems like a better indicator that things are going OK.

Yesterday (Saturday) was the day I promised myself I could have more Halloween candy if I wanted it. Very strangely for me, I didn't. Well, part of my brain was "Candy! Candy! CANDY NOW!!!" but another part of my brain wondered if I really wanted candy, or just thought that I should want candy. I hope that I'm finally starting to settle down from the "Today's an S Day! I need to have every otherwise-forbidden food NOW NOW NOW!" I am hopefully getting a better understanding that nothing is "forbidden," just limited for reasons that make me happy in the long run.

So I didn't have candy. I didn't even go get a frozen yogurt. I had a few nuts as snacks a couple of times during the day, but otherwise made great choices until late in the evening, when I felt a little hungry. Instead of turning to my usual small glass of cider, I thought "It's an S Day! I shouldn't have to be hungry!" had several slices of (whole wheat) bread. Not the best choice because eating right before I go to sleep just isn't a good idea. Also not the best choice because I need to learn to live with not being full all the time even on weekends. That's me now.

Tonight I'm going out to a new Italian restaurant my friend found and said is fabulous. Now that's a perfect thing to do on an S day.

My husband says he's bringing me my favorite cake tomorrow because he has dinner plans tomorrow at the restaurant that has that cake. I was toying with the idea of trying to swap yesterday's S day to make Monday an S day for the cake, but that's definitely not the way to make a habit automatic. Either I need to freeze the cake for the weekend or count Monday as a special S day.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you described your feeling of S Days as Now! Now! Now! it brought back memories for me. I think my first entire year of NoS I felt like that on Saturday mornings and would often go drive to get a donut. Wow. That was not smart of me, but apparently it was what I needed in order to stay moderate the other 5 days.

Also, I now much more often have that discussion in my head about "do I actually want it or just think I should indulge while I have the chance?" as you described.

I think there are a lot of stages of NoS that many of us commonly experience - it's sort of predictable, but like the stages of grief, we don't all go through the stages in the same order or spend the same time in each of them.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

automatedeating wrote:
When you described your feeling of S Days as Now! Now! Now! it brought back memories for me. I think my first entire year of NoS I felt like that on Saturday mornings and would often go drive to get a donut. Wow. That was not smart of me, but apparently it was what I needed in order to stay moderate the other 5 days.

Also, I now much more often have that discussion in my head about "do I actually want it or just think I should indulge while I have the chance?" as you described.

I think there are a lot of stages of NoS that many of us commonly experience - it's sort of predictable, but like the stages of grief, we don't all go through the stages in the same order or spend the same time in each of them.


This really resonates with me too. I still sometimes have something on an S day just because I can not because I want it. I toyed with the idea of stopping sweets on S days and just have them when I want them but I know from trying IE that it just won't work so S days it is for sweets. Smile

Good luck Ladies

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharon, this is very much what I did all weekend- stuff my face because it was an S day. Lovely to read someone’s thread who is moving away from that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG eschano, I've been overeating on S days for months. But it turns out there's something to the habit thing, and the self-shame thing. It took quite awhile for me, but it seems to be slowly settling in.

Yesterday I went out for a lovely Italian dinner with friends. I certainly ate way more calories than a usual meal, but it was a civilized, delightful event -- a special meal traditional style, very high-quality food in moderate-sized portions, eaten slowly with nice conversation and enjoyment. I ate more than usual, but did stop before becoming completely stuffed. It was all good. ... and then I came home, and later at night, I started eating BBQ potato chips. Seriously, what the heck? I guess the good news is that I ate a few handfuls and stopped, instead of having half the bag. For me, that's significant progress. I stopped because it just felt kind of silly, after the meal I had, to be doing that.

Tonight I decided I wanted more potato chips. I had leftover homemade soup along with a small appetizer-sized plate with a piece of whole wheat bread, a small piece of cheese, and the rest of it piled with chips. I. Wanted. Chips. I started eating them and looked at the mountain of chips on half my small plate, and it just seemed ridiculous. I put a big chunk of them back in the bag, ate a few, and then put the rest in the trash. To say that this is not like me is an understatement.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thanks automatedeating and Soprano for the comments. It's nice to know I'm far from alone in feeling like I have to have sweets and seconds and snacks on S Days because soon I won't be able to again.

I also sometimes wonder if I should just cut out all the sweets and refined carbs altogether. That would certainly be healthier. I've tried that for health reasons, and sustained it for a long time. But I don't think that's going to work over a lifetime. People in traditional cultures manage to figure out how to have sweets as occasional treats. At some point, I think I ought to be able to also.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharon227 wrote:
OMG eschano, I've been overeating on S days for months. But it turns out there's something to the habit thing, and the self-shame thing. It took quite awhile for me, but it seems to be slowly settling in.

Yesterday I went out for a lovely Italian dinner with friends. I certainly ate way more calories than a usual meal, but it was a civilized, delightful event -- a special meal traditional style, very high-quality food in moderate-sized portions, eaten slowly with nice conversation and enjoyment. I ate more than usual, but did stop before becoming completely stuffed. It was all good. ... and then I came home, and later at night, I started eating BBQ potato chips. Seriously, what the heck? I guess the good news is that I ate a few handfuls and stopped, instead of having half the bag. For me, that's significant progress. I stopped because it just felt kind of silly, after the meal I had, to be doing that.

Tonight I decided I wanted more potato chips. I had leftover homemade soup along with a small appetizer-sized plate with a piece of whole wheat bread, a small piece of cheese, and the rest of it piled with chips. I. Wanted. Chips. I started eating them and looked at the mountain of chips on half my small plate, and it just seemed ridiculous. I put a big chunk of them back in the bag, ate a few, and then put the rest in the trash. To say that this is not like me is an understatement.


As they say, been there done that Smile

I'm sure these changes come from going through those periods of giving yourself full permission to enjoy your s days, when nothing is forbidden once you truly get that it is so much easier to decide if you really do want it. This is what all the IE exponents try to tell us but for me doing it the no s way felt so much safer, I guess I needed some boundaries.

It's great to read your posts Sharon.Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that you asked, but I think of eliminating foods that I find I don't consistently enjoy before, during, or after I eat it.

I like thinking I can be reasonable with most foods, but I also remind myself that most traditional cultures don't (or didn't used to) have refined foods pushed on them all the time. I've told others here that a colleague who moved to Italy said he lost 15 lbs. over the course of the first year without really trying. I guess he had been someone to buy snacks spur of the moment. He said you can't get snacks at gas stations and other places they are becoming routine here. (At a Target I went into recently, I saw that they now have rows of packaged snacks right before the return counters! You can't even stand in line waiting for customer service without being confronted with easy food. I'm not a proponent of saying never eat food from packages, but I definitely now have a prejudice against anything that comes in a shiny bag.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am finding your blog to be really inspiring, Sharon. I like your introspection and your curiosity about what is going on to motivate our behavior.
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I may not have specifically asked, Oolala, but I am definitely interested in your insights! And also insights or comments from others who are reading. Thanks for letting me know you are finding my posts inspiring, Jenji.

Very good points about packaged foods, Oolala. I agree that packaged snacks are generally not a good choice. I've cut way down on them, in part because of reading nutrition labels and in part because I'm trying to pay attention to how I feel afterwards. And I do know they're just not as healthy as whole or homemade foods.

The potato chip thing this week was kind of unusual for me - I very rarely eat chips or pretzels anymore. I think my craving this week has to do with the days getting shorter and so I start wanting more carbs. And the fact that my husband bought a couple of big bags of BBQ chips - my favorite. Argh. I never buy those things unless we're hosting a big party (maybe once or twice a year). If just a few people are coming over for dinner, I wouldn't.

I was ready to add some chips to my plate again at dinner last night, but decided that enough was enough here, and swapped in a piece of whole grain bread, 2 pieces of cheese, and an apple, and was fine. I had a very light lunch yesterday - there was a work pizza and salad lunch and I didn't want to have pizza, so just piled my plate with the accompanying Greek salad and half a piece of (large) pita bread. Plus yesterday was my day for running intervals, so I had definitely worked up an appetite. I was ravenous by dinner time. I did sneak a couple of pieces of broccoli as I was roasting it for dinner side dish, but left space on my plate for them and didn't consider that going off plan.

I declared Election Day to be a holiday on Tuesday, mostly so I could have some of the cake my husband brought home on Monday night. I enjoyed part of the piece, then put the rest in the freezer for this weekend. I decided later that I wanted a little Halloween candy, had 2 of the tiny bags of peanut M&Ms, maybe a dozen M&Ms overall. That makes more packaged snacks that aren't particularly healthy, which I don't recall eating at all over the summer. Yes, I think time of year has something to do with it - shorter days and the start of the holiday season. It's probably reasonable to consider maintaining my weight the next 2 months to be a rip-roaring success, and not to be disappointed if I don't keep losing.

Otherwise I kept to an N day Tuesday.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My food desires are changing as the nights draw in. Like you if I maintain until spring I'll be happy but I think if we are watchful losses are possible Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, the other thing about the refined/ modern packaged stuff is that they have low satiety value; the body will send signals to eat more of them than plainer, less condensed food. The body loves easy calories! 1 million years ago, there was a big advantage to taking in as much of them as it could.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
Oh, the other thing about the refined/ modern packaged stuff is that they have low satiety value; the body will send signals to eat more of them than plainer, less condensed food. T


Not only does this stuff have low satiety value, it is designed specifically to make you eat more of it than you need. Food scientist jobs and company profits depend on it.
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Soprano, nice to know I'm not alone! My goodness, I came home ravenous from the gym tonight -- a weights day, not a cardio day, can't imagine I burned up all that many calories. I could have easily eaten 3 plates of food, and then snacked all night. But I decided that's not who I want to be anymore. I like being in control of my eating. I feel better.

Oolala, you reminded me that the packaged crap isn't really good. I didn't even look to see if any chips were left, but had cheese and grapes along with my chicken sandwich for dinner after having a Greek salad and a small amount of leftover meat for lunch. I actually did what the healthy diet people say to do, and used meat as a condiment on my salad instead of as the main focus of the meal. And oh did I savor each small bit of it!

And yes, ladybird, I've read some about the efforts of food companies to make their sweet/salty/fat-laden snacks addictive! Good reminder! I do feel better when I don't eat that stuff.

I'm getting less incidental exercise as the days get shorter and colder. You know, the "not official" exercise, but things like puttering around the yard, or going out more and walking around. That means I should be eating fewer calories, but instead I want more. I believe this hunger is nature's way of telling me that soon the food supply will be extremely low and I need to pack on the calories and conserve my energy. Except that I don't live in times of hunting and gathering and foraging; I live in a time where the food supply is about to explode thanks to the holidays. Definitely a dilemma. I'm trying very hard to at least not cut back on my official exercise, and stick to the program.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being cold makes me want to eat, probably because I instinctively know it will warm me up -- both the hot food itself + the warmth that comes from metabolizing the meal.
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automatedeating, I think some of that is hard wired in us.

So far, the best thing I can see doing to deal with my seasonal hunger is lots of exercise. I may not be less hungry - I may even be more hungry - but when I'm exercising seriously, at least I lose the urge to put junk in my body.

We went out to dinner tonight and I had a very big plate of Thai curry chicken with vegetables and brown rice. Probably more than I needed to have. OK, definitely more than I needed to have. And not low calorie. But I didn't want to be hungry tonight again, especially since I was pretty hungry by dinner time since I just had a salad with feta cheese and some cheese and a slice of whole grain bread on the side for lunch. That's was what I had in the house, it wasn't that I was consciously trying to eat low cal. But at least I had that in the house instead of nothing! So at dinner, I erred on making sure I wouldn't be hungry by eating too little. I still did bring home a small amount of leftovers. But pretty darned small.

I'm planning my meals much better than I used to, inadequate salad lunch notwithstanding. It's funny how much more urgent planning my meals has become when I can only eat during meal time, and not grab this and that all the rest of the day to make up for not having a proper meal. I long wanted to plan my meals better but never could quite make myself devote the time and energy to it. Not a problem now since I don't want to go hungry between meal times!!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharon227 wrote:


We went out to dinner tonight and I had a very big plate .......Probably more than I needed to have............... But I didn't want to be hungry tonight again, especially since I was pretty hungry by dinner time since I just had a salad with feta cheese and some cheese and a slice of whole grain bread on the side for lunch.


Been there, done that. At least by having a regular eating pattern it becomes easier with time to judge how much I need to eat. Still not particularly good at planning ahead tho.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sharon,

I know what you mean about the planning of our meals now. I want to be sure to feel full and satisfied, and eat what I really enjoy! I love Thai food too. Smile
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ladybird, that's what low satiety value means. The food is engineered to lower satiety/make you want more. The company execs all worship the "bliss point," when a person just keeps wanting more and more. It's flavor and texture/crunch. It's been known about for decades. These people are proud of themselves for this feat! And their companies are admired for their financial success. The "free speech" advertisers are in on it, too. They are basically legal drug pushers. But it may be premature to talk about this aspect of things. It can make a person mad or guilty without taking action, and that is not a good combination.

Just keep having your plates!
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Alene, that's it exactly. "Ireally should do more planning for grocery shopping and meals" never worked for me. But "I want to enjoy this meal because once it's done, that's it for awhile" seems to be working better! And Thai food does rock.

I'm still not great at knowing how much food I should put on my plate either, ladybird. I seem to be panicking less about it, though. I even occasionally leave a little space on the plate to see how that works now. That's new for me.

I was away over the holiday weekend visiting family. My S days were more unstructured than I would have liked. Leaving on a long car trip right before meal time was bad planning but not really avoidable, which led to eating in the car, which I never want to do anymore. Will try to time these things better next time.

I also had some fairly calorie-laden, multi-course meals over the weekend, including multiple dips into the bread basket. I'm somewhat disappointed, but hey, it happened. I did go right back to N days on Monday (decided not to call Veterans Day a holiday since Thanksgiving is coming right up). I'm up a pound, which could be a lot worse. Bad timing since I'm going to the doctor Friday, but that's life.
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I still have trouble with the amount of food on my plate, sometimes. I tend to overpile my plate when I "fear" hunger at some point in the following hours. I wish I could realize when I am making that error and stop myself in the moment. But I guess we can only learn by making mistakes. And hitting it perfectly is probably pretty tricky.
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It CAN be tricky, but overall, you are doing quite well, it seems to me, maintaining a respectable loss over the last six months. I've had the bumpiest time since I dropped into about the same level of BMI as you are. I sometimes think it may be asking too much? But it doesn't feel better to eat more, so I ride the seesaw.

Hang in there!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging the amount of food gets easier with time, the longer you have been at it and got the habits ingrained the more room for a little freedom. I've never severd huge portions but sometimes if I haven't had enough I do have something extra.

You have to be honest with yourself about this. More often than not if I have a cup of tea and wait I find I am ok.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soprano wrote:
More often than not if I have a cup of tea and wait I find I am ok.

Jx


Agreed!
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