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Dandelion



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

So, when I was last here, I was not looking forward to medical investigations.
It was a long haul. You know how it is. They start with the least horrible and eliminate those, before they send you to the specialists. It was not a fun time, but it could have been a lot worse.

I had a followup appointment in May, have to keep an eye out - and get checked every so often, but that is to be expected. Hopefully it will never turn into anything nasty.

I haven't been doing NoS - at least not deliberately. I just find I no longer like 'snacking'. I don't even like the word. There are days I do, but most days I don't. I eat very small meals. I have for years, though. When my kid was a toddler, it was a joke that his meals were bigger than mine.

He's a teenager now, and his meals are bigger than mine and his dad's put together. He wonders frequently how anyone could live on as little food as I eat. But honestly, I couldn't possibly eat any more than I do.

I did stumble on something that finally made my weight start to go down. It's slow - about two pounds a month, but I've lost 10 pounds so far. After so many years of no success, I still can't believe it.

I'm off to see how everyone is doing!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see you back here. Congrats on the 10 lbs!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see you again! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the welcome back Smile

Work is super busy, life is super busy - but all the things are for the good, and everything is coming together nicely.

I'm having an especially nice week since people keep stopping to ask me what I'm doing and saying how great I look. I'm wearing a dress today I haven't been able to wear in at least three years. Yeah, I'm still about 30 lbs overweight, but this helps Smile I only lose about a half pound a week, but Shangri-la is so easy I can't really complain that it is slow. I don't even feel like I've done anything.

I've changed a lot since I started here. I'm not so strict about what I eat as I used to be. I couldn't sustain it with such a demanding job (all the soaking, sprouting, grinding, dehydrating, and every.single. thing. from scratch). I also learned a lot about how sugar isn't the great white evil, and how it actually helps with energy, thyroid hormones, stress reduction, etc. Being hypothyroid, I know now why I never did well on Low Carb.

I don't mean I'm wallowing in the stuff. I probably still eat less of it than most people. I don't even take S days because I don't need them. I don't want sweets or desserts, and with Shangri la, I sometimes have to 'make' myself eat at meal time, so I have no problem not snacking. I am just not afraid of a little sugar anymore - especially not afraid of fruit anymore. I do, however, limit unsaturated fat as much as possible.

Little by little I am finding what works best for me, be it activity, diet, work/life balance - whatever. Next week it could all change and things could fall apart, but for now I'm enjoying where I am at this moment.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dandelion-
I'm glad things are working out so well for your!
What does the Shangri-la diet look like for you, in the application of the tasteless oil consumption... what type of oil do you use, how much and what time of day? I've been intrigued by all that, but never tried it myself.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds intriguing. Yeah, I think the thing about sugar is that what people really talk about when recommending going sugar-less is white refined sugar. At least scientific guidance is about added sugar and not about fruit.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so glad I tried it. It sounded so silly - not to mention impossible. But, I figured it wouldn't cost anything to try it, so I did. I could not believe how well it worked. I've been at it for five months and I still can't get over it. I'm normally a 'healthy' eater, have a busy, non-sedentary job, don't snack Wink, eat according to hunger/fullness - and yet nothing worked. I added 300 flavorless calories and the weight just started to drop off. I didn't change anything else, yet every week my weight goes down. I honestly don't get it.

I couldn't cope with the idea of drinking oil, and the sugar water made me hungrier. The point is to get flavorless calories - the amount depends on your weight, but they can come from anything. People use all kinds of things. I finally settled on cream. I drink about 1/4 cup of cream every night at least an hour after dinner and then wait at least an hour before I brush my teeth. I make sure not to breathe through my nose while I drink it and until I've rinsed my mouth out with water and all the flavor of the cream is gone. It doesn't have much flavor to begin with, so it is pretty easy.

The effects are much more than just appetite suppression. Most people find that the taste of food changes. 'Good' food tastes better, while sweet things are often too sweet - or just don't appeal at all. A lot of people find they feel hungry, but couldn't care less if they eat or not. It was like that for me in the beginning and I was concerned I wouldn't be able to eat dinner with my family , but that went away after a few weeks.

If you try it, let me know how it goes. It makes NoS automatic - I couldn't even think of snacking, and I don't even need S days, because there is nothing I want to eat that much.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy weekend! It was a tough work week, but I'm actually taking time off this summer <gasp!> so I have a lot to do before I go away. That makes it a whole lot easier to take Smile

Things are going smoothly in shangri-la land and my weight continues to go down slowly, but steadily.

I don't do well in hot weather, so the 90s and 100s are leaving me drained and unenthusiastic about most things. I need to get some motivation to organize the house a bit, and do some weeding before there is nothing left other than weeds. Going to the pool sounds so much better....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Dandelion, for info about what you do for the tasteless calories. I must say, that's interesting.
Do you use heavy cream, or just any type? I tried to google to see what other people are using, but just kept getting the same instructions about the oil. Is there a forum out there that gives ideas of what other people are doing? The cream in the evening seems much more creative and less gag inducing than the thought of oil first thing in the morning!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a forum, sethroberts.net but over the past year or so, it's gone very quiet. However, there are thousands of posts full of other people's experiences.

Oil is the main source of flavorless calories. It's easy to get a lot of calories in one go, and doesn't require refrigeration or 'fixing'. I tried it and lasted a couple of days only before the gag factor got to be too much for me.

I find it odd, I lose weight the best if I take the cream right before bed. I can't imagine why that would be.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that link, Dandelion. It seems that the forum has been shut down (and is now read-only), but as you say there are still lots of posts with people's past experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird. I've seen new posts recently - as in the past couple of weeks. I wonder if former members can post, but newbies can't join.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, the place I read said the founder had passed away, and there was no one to run it properly, and that it would be shut down. Maybe they're still allowing some activity.
http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=8644.0
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's very sad. They want to keep the information available, and maybe find another discussion site - like a FB group or something. If they've made a decision I've never seen it mentioned.

Today is not hot and I love it. We had a little rain this morning, and it's keeping the temperatures down. I made hot chocolate this morning and it didn't even feel weird Smile

This week I've eaten a lot of watermelon. To me it means 'summer' more than any other food. Besides fruit, the other thing I'm eating a lot of right now - or more of than usual, is rice. I find it appeals to me much more in hot weather. Last night we had Indian. The other day I made Risotto for lunch.

It's quite interesting when you think about it. I do like to pay attention to what foods sound best to me and try to eat those rather than forcing myself to eat what someone else tells me I 'should' eat. It always works out better if I let my body decide.

I don't have many 'food rules' these days. I do eat organic/from scratch as much as possible, but I've added sugar back into my diet, and opted out of the whole restrictive dieting culture that pretty much everyone else I know has gone into (no sugar, grain, dairy, meat, etc and practically worshiping kale salads and 'green smoothies'. Not with my thyroid!).

I do avoid PUFAs as much as possible, which of course is mostly found in fast/junk food, but that stuff doesn't really interest me, so it's not a problem.

Living 'moderately' is so freeing!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you're in a really good place with food. So awesome and no small feat in this country! The whole paleo/clean eating stuff drives me crazy but I have had to cook differently since my dhs heart attack but nothing is completely off limits and fits perfectly with the NoS style of moderate eating.

I LOVE watermelon too! Sounds like a great day & happy to hear you're doing so well.

Linda Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know your husband had a heart attack. How scary that must have been! How is he doing now? How are YOU doing?

The eating advice for heart patients has been evolving so much lately - I can't even imagine how tough it is to choose which to put your faith in. They're so different.

We have had company the past few day. No schedules, very little sleep, much more eating out than usual and several incidents of sub-optimal food choices. The plan today is to do nothing - or almost nothing - and go to bed early!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know how you feel about wanting to nothing for a bit after having company. It's fun but very draining!

My Dh is doing well. Found out his blood sugar was high too so our biggest focus is on less and/or better carbs. But yeah it can be a little confusing. When I asked his cardiologist about life style changes he just said to get to the gym more & try to be more moderate with eating in general. Guess I'm in the right place!

Hope you get your peace & quiet soon!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can handle that kind of medical advice Smile.

We're getting cool weather and rain right now. It's perfect for baking, reading books and just lazing around. I've not been sleeping well, so that's about all I can manage right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you're doing great! Yes, I hear you about not being overly restrictive with eating anymore. I used to eat Paleo, so no grains, dairy, etc... but I have since added some grains back into my diet, and I feel a lot better.
I hope you were able to relax today.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds wonderful Dandelion! It's 110 here so no baking for me!

Hope you get some rest!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all!

It seems about right for one of my random check-ins. I'm still doing Shangri-la, and doing okay. I went through a patch where I didn't lose, but I tweaked a few things and got things working again. It's a lot slower than it was in the beginning, but slow is better than none.

I am also doing a little bite counting to help with a little bit of 'eyes too big for my stomach' syndrome. I really dislike feeling full or leaving food on my plate, so this is helping me with both issues. I've only been doing it a few days, but I'm finding I'm already getting better at not overfilling my plates.

Hope everyone is doing well.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't want to ask on the general board what the plan was that got weight off you because that can just get the poor newbies' diet head goin'! Not fair to No S.

But is Shangri-la the diet that did it? I remember reading it years ago before No S. I found it crazy, as you can imagine. Heck, also years before, I found three meals crazy!

Just to let you know, without talking about it much here, for various reasons I've been experimenting with intermittent fasting, and occasionally have days on which I eat only one meal, but I never eat a whole day's calories at it.

Fast5 is a one-meal-day plan, too. But I guess Shangri-la is not quite that, since you can have calories to tide you over, no? Straight fat?

I keep thinking something like this could never work on a daily basis for me for social reasons, which is ironic, because eating with others is actually the exception for me. The real reason is I can't fill my time with other activities enough. I've had a hard enough time with mostly three meals. It's a much bigger cross to bear for me than overeating.

Hope the transition goes smoothly, but even if it doesn't, we're on your side!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I had the best success with Shangri La. I used cream for my flavorless calories since I couldn't cope with the oil. About a quarter cup an hour after dinner. I didn't change anything else. If I hadn't experienced it, I would never have believed the effect. I experimented with IF on a 14:10 schedule. I didn't lose as much or as fast as with SLD, but it did work. Both were very easy to fit into my life.
I feel like both these methods fit well with NoS, and I may add these back in occasionally for a short time. Just not right now. Even though there was nothing to them, they were always accompanied by diet thoughts. I just don't feel like I want that right now. I don't want to think about losing weight. I want a total break from it all. Not thinking about how much weight will I lose this week, and if I tweak x, how will that affect y and is that from salt this week, or did I eat too much, and if I continue at this rate, where will I be on this date?
I want to look outwards, to myself space in my head for all those little things that make life worth living and well lived. That's a habit NoS will help me to cultivate.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So neither Shangri-la nor 14:10 were good for weight loss but adequate not for lifestyle?

I'm experimenting with them but not for weight loss and not daily. I weigh only occasionally. I'd like to think at some point, I won't weigh at all, but I'm not ready to throw out my scale. I did that years ago for quite awhile. It didn't keep me from gaining or overeating!

I came to No S just wanting sanity and moderation. Moderation keeps changing, It could be worse.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are as close as possible. They eliminate nearly everything I dislike about weight loss. No rules, no counting, no calculating, no changing diet. Nothing to figure or think about. With IF, all I did was delay breakfast a couple of hours and I lost weight. With SLD, an hour before bed I drank a small amount of cream (I sometimes had it measured out in small mason jars so I could just grab one), and an hour later brushed my teeth and went to bed. And the effect was stunning.

Maybe other people can do it without the head games. It's the head games I want to escape from. However, this morning I was thinking about it, (I"m an analyzer by nature) and I realized no matter what i do, I will never. ever. escape the head games. It's not just age or vanity, and since I eat well and though I could stand to be more active, I don't seem to be overweight enough to where it harms my health. There is a personal influence in my life that is never going away and will always make me doubt myself and back me into that 'yournotokayyouhavetoloseweight' corner.

Right now I feel discouraged about the realization, but I know I'll get past that point and figure out better ways to deal with it.

I'm working on weighing less often right now. I'd also like it to be never, but I don't know if that would really help. Moderation does seem to keep changing.
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You could easily go all day without eating on Shangri-La? I could never have done that without No S and reading Eat Stop Eat. I still can't do it easily often, though I would actually like to. But only certain kinds of events can divert me enough to do it. I think there are health benefits beyond weight loss, so I'm grateful for any days it happens. I find it easier to sometimes skip dinner, and I think even that longer overnight fast is beneficial. Not canonical No S, but I still consider it my default.

I, too, have accepted that I will likely always have these thoughts around food, unless my life changes drastically. But I've also come to the conclusion that even among naturally slim people, only a fraction of them completely forget about food in between meals. Many of them love food and think about it. Some of them even restrict foods. They just don't feel bad about it. I consider it like a mild chronic disease that I could easily have and would have to make the best of.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting way to look at it. Maybe I aspire to this so much because I live with a naturally thin person and I would so love to be like that. He enjoys food as much as the next person, but doesn't plan his day around it. He eats when he gets around to it, and if he doesn't, he doesn't. He has never artificially controlled what he eats, so he naturally eats what feels right to him at the time, and contrary to what a lot of people might think, it ends up being well-balanced. He has tried to gain weight in the past, but it doesn't last. His body compensates on its own and within a few weeks, the weight is gone. I think the only time he's stepped on a scale in the last six months was to weigh suitcases.

I know. He is an extreme example. The mythical naturally thin person we hear about but aren't sure really exists. As someone who's been dieting off and on for about 40 years, there is virtually no chance I'd ever end up like that. But geeze. Forty years? I'm so tired of it. If I could get even a fraction of that peace with myself and food, it would be something.
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Did you say below that you are using SLa now? Isn't that just one meal a day and some fat?

A diet doctor (one of the IFers-every other day a low cal day) posited that fewer than 10% of people in the world are like that. Just about anywhere in the world people get frequent access to food, there is weight gain. The exceptions are cultures with strong meal traditions. Many of these are caving, too. So naturally thin humans are abnormal. You don't have to be abnormal. It would be convenient, but it's a bit of a set up. It's like aspiring to be very talented. A pianist can work hard to sound like a more talented one, but she can't will herself to be talented.

I came to No S after about 40 years of efforts, too, and it was a big incentive to me that I did not want to spend my last years on Earth overeating just about every day. And I knew I couldn't follow a diet forever. Weight loss was not my incentive, though I had climbed to the low obese range.
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P.S. To me, putting my food on a salad plate looks forlorn. But maybe my salad plates are pretty small. I can do an 8-inch plate for lunch, but anything smaller than that and I feel like I'm in child zone which equals punishment. Unless it's breakfast. Aaack! I tend to serve myself dense foods according to my palm or fist size no matter what plate I use. At least I think I do...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it was more not wanting to spend my entire adult life dieting in one form or another. I get closer, but I'm not there yet.

My husband's entire family is like that, and I've known several outside his family as well, so it doesn't seem that abnormal to me.

Twenty years ago I was at what was obviously my 'ideal weight'. I was 10 pounds over what I'd always thought it should be - but my body was happy with it. I wore a comfortable size six and whether I ate lot or little, my weight would settle back at that weight. So, I have had at least a decade in my 30s and 40s where I had a glimpse of that life, and hope that someday I'll get back there again.

As far as SLD goes - there are no requirements other than taking in 200-400 flavorless calories in any form. Oil is just the simplest, but they can be in any form. I've read all kinds - from the usual oil drinkers, to one guy who drank two cokes a day with his nose clipped, to another woman who ate a mixture of powdered sugar and butter, aka frosting. Another woman couldn't stomach any of those things, so she just bought nose clips and ate most of her meals with her nose clipped.

There are no requirements to change what, when, how much or how often one eats. When it works like it should, those aren't necessary - it just happens automatically. You just don't feel like eating, and when you do, you get full faster. Your tastes change, too, so certain things aren't so appealing - many people say sweet things taste too strong, so they lose their taste for them. It's really fascinating.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I consistently felt like I really lost my desire to eat was when I was on a medication for a period of time. I actually didn't like it, as I like getting hungry for my meals. And when I stopped the meds, it all came roaring back.

No S for me is not the breeze many people would like, but it's SO much better than how I was living and any other plan I've tried, though I'm now varying it because of changing appetite as I age and to combat possible dementia later, as my odds of living into the years that the odds go way up for that are pretty good. I'm not trying to live longer, just to be functional for longer. I don't think it's necessary to be thin but it may happen with varying levels of "reduced energy intake," as the longevity researchers call it.
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