Imogen's Daily Check In

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:48 pm

Sending good thoughts your and baby's way. How old is she? And do you have more than one daughter or am I getting you mixed up with Sinny or Tess or something?
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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:18 am

Thanks, Auto! I have just one kid and as I say, one is definitely enough for me :lol:

TUESDAY 56.9 :mrgreen: (rapid water weight loss, I guess)

B: 2 slices ww bread with smoked fish and vegetable spread, half an apple
chai coffee (sweet and milky)
L: quiche, grapes
D: pierogi
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Post by automatedeating » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:54 pm

So how did daycare go?
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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:53 pm

As bad as yesterday, and my husband reported that she had tried to escape once they got there. Well, it's only her second day, I can't realistically expect that an introverted 21-month old will perfectly adjust to the situation in a matter of days. I guess we're talking weeks, maybe months. Gosh, I'm still quite uncomfortable in social situations involving lots of people at the same time, and I'm 33. I completely understand her distress, but the daycare option is the best long-term solution we could come up with.
The fact that both husband and I have extremely stressful time at work right now doesn't help. I just keep telling myself that sticking to NoS at least eliminates the gluttony problem, so there's one less thing to worry about. As P said this afternoon, "let's not make the day worse by overeating".

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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 am

WEDNESDAY :oops: 56.8

B: tuna&egg sandwich, small banana
L: quiche, pear
milky coffee
D: split pea soup, dinner roll
fail: 2 pieces chocolate, fudge candy, large piece of brownie

I had craved that brownie all day long, managed to white-knuckle it until early evening, and gave up. I wolfed down the candy in the hope that something smaller and less calorie dense would satisfy my desperate sugar craving. I should have eaten the damn brownie in the first place.
N seems to be making some progress in daycare, and taking interest in some of the activities, especially the musical ones. She's still complaining, though.
I'm incredibly stressed right now, and we'll be having guests over the weekend, so I won't be able to relax even then. I focus on putting one foot in front of the other.
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Post by alene1 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:09 pm

Hello, and thanks for coming by my journal! It's really stressful to leave your little one at first. Thankfully, kids are so resilient, and I bet in short order she'll be loving the time time to play with other kids. Hang in there!

I've just let go of calorie counting too, and it is very freeing, though scary. You can do it, and you'll be much happier for it I think. :)

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Post by Imogen Morley » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:18 am

THURSDAY :oops: 56.8

B: (large plate) 2 slices ww bread, salmon pate, 2 eggs, celery, 2 small pumpkin pancakes
fail: coworker brought some mini crullers, I had 1
L: open-faced egg salad sandwich, a little bit of sausage
D: chicken drumstick, 1/2 potato, cup of broth, 1/2 apple
fail: I ate a bowl of potato salad I was making for the guests, some chocolates and candy.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:05 am

FRIDAY 57.5 :oops:

B: cottage cheese with chives and avocado, slice of bread/butter, half an apple
L: whole wheat pb&b sandwich, milk
D: dinner roll, split pea soup
fail: two pancakes I was making for Nina

I have to stop viewing failure as a "treat", and see it for what it really is: self-sabotage that makes my previous efforts go to waste.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:07 am

SATURDAY 57.1 :wink:

B: cottage cheese with avocado and chives, slice of bread/butter, half an apple, 3 pancakes with maple syrup
L: sausage with fixings, roll, cruller, 4 squares hazelnut chocolate
snack: 3 squares white chocolate with blackcurrants
D: 2 pigs in blankets, salad, chocolate cake with blackcurrants

Ugh, I'm feeling so full this evening. Dinner was too rich, I don't even like chocolate that much, and I always feel yucky when I skip eating at least two pieces of fruit every day or have sweets on empty stomach. Tomorrow we're having dinner with extended family, but I don't want to go to bed feeling stuffed and miserable.
N is getting used to the daycare, I think. She waves goodbye or fist bumps the ladies that work there when we leave, she's started participating in the activities, and so on. Of course, she's not happy when we walk there in the morning, but it seems it doesn't last long. My more experienced friend told me to look for the signs of distress when we come to pick her up from daycare - if there are none, she's probably okay most of the time. Crying when we leave her there in the morning is normal and to be expected for a longer period of time. Sounds like reasonable advice.

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Post by alene1 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:11 pm

I'm really tuning in to what I like to eat too, and what I don't like that much but always thought I did! lol The too-full feeling is really uncomfortable. It's definitely a challenge to find the just right feeling.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Alene, it always amazes me how people believe they like or even love some food, only to discover it's not that good when they eat the thing with mindfulness and attention. We're so used to the autopilot mode.

SUNDAY 57.4 :wink:
MONDAY 57.3 :wink: (national holiday)

3 S-days in a row! Whew! The weekend plus the holiday were so hectic I couldn't find the time to post or report my meals, so I only weighed myself. The family visit went as expected - we were all tired and yelling at each other at the end of it. What a mess. My eating was chaotic, too. I hate nibbling along and not sitting down to real meals.
N has come down with a cold, so no daycare for her this week. I'll take some days off to stay with her. Given the recent situation in the office, I'd rather care for a sick toddler than go there!

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:26 am

Oh my goodness! Work must be stressful if you'd rather stay home with a sick toddler, lol. Good luck with the family situation, Imogen! So glad to hear that N is adapting to daycare; actually especially happy to hear that you are feeling a bit more settled about things.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:42 pm

Whew, I think I spoke too soon! I'm absolutely exhausted after this week, and I struggled A LOT to stay on track. I had extra nibbles when seasoning food, plus my dinner plates were really full. Combined with the extra S-day, no wonder why my weight stayed the same at 57.1 this Saturday.
Food-wise, the weekend has been okay so far. We attended a birthday party yesterday, so I had a piece of cake for dessert and some appetizers before the main course. I'm grazing today, but it doesn't feel good at all.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:22 pm

Monday - :oops: I ate too little at breakfast, so I ended up cramming in all edible proteins I had at home in the evening
Tuesday - :oops: same
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday - :mrgreen: back on track BUT with eyeballing my calories and portion control

I'm a small person with huge appetite and some serious cooking and baking skills. If I don't control what and how much I put on my three plates, the calories add up fast, and the best I can hope for is maintenance. I don't want maintenance, I want fat loss. I still don't know if I should stop counting on weekends or just set up some upper limit. Two wild days can completely wipe out any progress I've made during the week.
My husband is sticking to NoS without any problems. I'm curious about his weigh-in on Saturday - last week it showed 0.5 kg loss. Very encouraging!

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Post by eschano » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:03 pm

I also find that if Indon’t get the breakfast right it throws me. Your cooking skills sound yummy!
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Post by automatedeating » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:10 am

Have you ever experimented with just Sunday being an S Day? I'm just curious, and have no idea whether that would be a good thing or a bad thing (or a neutral thing) for you.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:40 am

On Saturday I went decidedly wild, eating all sugar in sight… just because I couldn't get the treat I had been dreaming about for the entire week.
Sunday was much tamer. I tried out a new cake recipe, didn't like the final result, and so I left it almost untouched.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:57 am

MONDAY :mrgreen: Yay! Super easy N-day.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:45 am

TUESDAY :mrgreen: Feeling positive!

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Post by Imogen Morley » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:22 pm

Long time, no see.
This last month has been a rollercoaster ride. N was continuously sick for three weeks straight (first a rather nasty case of strep throat plus bonus allergy for her prescribed antibiotic, then a common cold). The first few days were especially draining for us all, and we even landed in an emergency department due toher unrelenting high fever. Then we got news about one of our older relatives in an ICU. My husband had to go visit his company's HQ at the end of the month, so I was stuck at home with a sick toddler and a very bad state of mind. My mom had to see a dermatologist ASAP because of a strange mole spreading quickly on her chest (she's fine now, though). We had to cancel our Christmas plans which included visiting my SIL and seeing my in-laws there, and we also missed a traditional family gathering from my maternal side. I self-medicated with cooking shows, and in result I was breaking every NoS rule on a regular basis. Growing resentful, I resorted to calorie counting, which worked for exactly one day. Numerous birthday celebrations in my family combined with a weekend followed by three Christmas days made me gain half a kilo. Weight-wise, I'm back to square one, more or less, at 57.9.
On the plus side, I got myself a smartband for Christmas, and it gives me insane motivation to hit my 10 000 steps target. I've also restarted walking workouts, and words cannot describe how much regular exercise lifts my mood - to the point I don't even care about burning calories.
One interesting observation about S-days: my weekends are completely unsatisfying unless I bake something. That's an unbreakable habit I picked from my mom. If I don't bake a cake on Saturday evenings, I always end up eating random crap.
Enough with self-pity. I do have to admit I'm worried about Sunday, New Year's Eve and the New Year Day, but I try to stay calm. What counts the most is what I do from New Year to Christmas, right?

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:22 pm

Great post, Imogen! You had me alternatively laughing and then gasping! Glad your mom and N are OK.

I TOTALLY relate about the walking. It is my very best anti-depressant. And burning calories is exactly ZERO motivation for my walks. However, being able to move without pain definitely motivates me. I love feeling physically spry. And of course, HappyHerder gets his heart broken if we don't walk. :-)

Girl, bake your cake! And tell us every Saturday night which type you baked! And then eat a slice Sat. night, and 2 slices on Sun, and then give the rest away on Monday. :-)

And yes, these few days are a drop in the bucket compared to our long-term habits.

Happy New Year!
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Post by sharon227 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:48 am

Yes on the walking! I also do it for my mood and my health/fitness. I've never tracked calories burned or cared.

Interesting about the need to bake a cake weekly. The thought of doing that every week just makes me tired, but I can see how you would miss it if it's been a habit. But as automatedeating pointed out, bake your cake if it makes you happy! It fits in with the No S structure. And just like you said that what matters is what you do between New Year and Christmas, what also matters most is what you do between Sunday and Saturday (as long as, as Reinhard says, we're not idiots on our S days :-) )

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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:28 am

Yay! There's more of us walkers! As for the cake... I adore baking. I adore eating what I baked. I have 3 million bookmarks of recipes to try out. It makes me happy, and makes my house feel like home. And the cats loooove napping on the stovetop when something is in the oven. Happy cats = happy owners, duh.
I'm wondering what to do about the evening. We're not the partying types, and New Year's Eve is just regular quiet evening at our place. I'm not planning on cooking anything special, but my husband's prepared movies and snacks for us. He's definitely taking his S-days today and tomorrow. I know I'll be tempted to eat the crisps. Shall I count movies&snacks as an S-event?

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:56 pm

Yes! Today is an S Day, no doubt about it.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:09 pm

Auto, so it was :)
It's rare for me to have any resolutions for a new year. But here they go:
1. Weighing only once a week, on Saturday mornings.
2. Complying with the basic NoS rules for six months, until Jun 1, no mods allowed.
3. Keeping a HabitCal.
4. Updating my thread and reading others' entries at least once a week.
Happy 2019, dear friends!

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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:19 pm

TUESDAY :wink:
Ugh. I'm totally stuffed. We were invited to dinner, and before we went out I'd eaten tons of different snacks and nibbles, just because I could. The worst kind of an S-day for sure. On hindsight, I could've had a smaller portion of the main course. The N-day normalcy is just what I crave for the next few days.
10 000 steps today, including a shortish walk in drizzling rain and two 1-mile workouts. I really didn't feel like exercising today, but I somehow managed to convince myself to just start. Once I started, I wanted to hit x number of steps, and so I continued. Still, it didn't feel as good as usual, I was just too tired. But now I'm proud.

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:36 pm

Hi Imogen - Great job on the walk in the rain! What do you do with N while you walk? Is she in the stroller/pram or do you leave her with hubby?
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Post by Octavia » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:25 pm

Hi Imogen - fantastic that you managed all that exercise, and in the rain too! I really admire that.

Yes, those Quality Street sweets are vintage classics here in the UK! And you can get them all year round. You must ask your friend to get you some...though beware their addictive power! 😂

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Post by Octavia » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:37 pm

PS. I’m also resolving to return to Habitcal this year, too. I’m now looking back at that phase I had in the summer (where I felt unnerved by my own compliance) and wondering if perhaps there was nothing to be afraid of. Doing something strictly IS a bit weird, certainly for a person like me, but I don’t think I was heading towards a compulsive mental/eating disorder. No S is too moderate for that. Habitcal really works. It simply makes you do No S!...and that’s what we must do! :)

Doing something less strictly weakens the bonds of habit. When I stopped Habitcal, I was never as successful again with either compliance or weight loss. So I’m returning to the safety of strictness, filling in those little squares everyday, and I don’t care if it feels weird!

Good luck with your resolutions and yes, do keep checking in! I will too.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:58 pm

WEDNESDAY :mrgreen:
Success today with moderate meals and a small latte with just a tiny teaspoon of sugar between breakfast and lunch. Something has given me heartburn, though, so I've just had some milk, too. My colleague is back to work and she brought me a beautifully crafted tin of Russian pralines. I put them in the kitchen, at the back of the highest shelf in the cupboard I open least frequently.
9400 steps today. Our washing machine flooded the bathroom, and the cleanup took an hour, then I was helping P fix the issue. That meant a late bedtime for N and less "me time". I was soooo tempted to skip working out in the evening, using a legitimate excuse that I can't fall asleep if I exercise past 8 PM. Then I reminded myself of a great quote from the Discworld books: Once you had a good excuse, you opened the door to bad excuses. So I did a new 1-mile segment which Walk At Home guys posted on YouTube just a day or two ago. I'm so glad I did! The moves and the music were super fun and immediately boosted my mood and gave me energy for breakfast and lunch meal prep (I rarely eat out and prefer to have homemade food on hand).
Auto, thanks! We either take walks together when possible, or I just offer to run some errands while P and N play. I rarely take a walk just for the sake of walking.
Octavia, I avoided the HabitCal for some time, because every failure, no matter how small and insignificant in the long term, led me straight to the What the Hell Effect. To paraphrase our Dear Leader, you can't make your square any more red, so you think you may as well "enjoy" yourself. I'm still not sure how to overcome the demoralising effect the HabitCal has on me, but I want to trust the process. If you're WTH effect-free, I truly, deeply envy you :lol:
To all the lovely people reading my thread, I have a humble request to ask: please point out to me when I mix American and British vocabulary/spelling in my writing. As a non-native speaker of English, I probably don't even notice it much. But if I can get better at grasping the subtleties of different varieties, I don't want to miss the chance!

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Post by Octavia » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:15 am

Wow - our washing machine conked out tonight, too! :o Strange coincidence! I don’t think we can fix it ourselves, though. The error code is something to do with a ‘pressure switch’.... :cry:

I can’t believe you’re not a native English speaker, Imogen! Your command of the language is amazing! I haven’t noticed you mixing up the American and English spellings, though often our computers do that for us, don’t you find?

I do get WTH...but somehow Habitcal helps me not go wrong in the first place. Once I have had a failure though, I find it hard not to write off the whole day.

DH is swearing at the washing machine. I will get no sleep tonight. Bah!

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Post by Imogen Morley » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:48 pm

THURSDAY :mrgreen:

Bad day overall, but at least diet-wise I succeeded. I wanted to snack my way through the afternoon, but miraculously, I found the strength to resist and just wait for the mealtime.
10 000 hard-earned steps. Another day when I wanted to skip exercise and wallow in misery on the couch. I'm happy I didn't, though. Workouts are funny that way - you never regret doing them, but sometimes showing up for them feels like an unsurmountable task. And when N hears the word "exercise", she starts stomping in place and pointing to the laptop, encouraging me to start :lol:

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Post by Octavia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:42 pm

Sorry to hear you had a bad day. But it’s fantastic that you still made it a green. Go, you! :)

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:53 pm

"insurmountable". :-)

I agree with Octavia - I assumed you were Native Brit living in Poland. Especially with a name like Imogen! But then you would talk about how much family lives near you and I'd wonder if you're actually Polish.

In either case, there's no doubt you have quite the noggin'. :lol: As in, you are smart as a whip.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:26 pm

Auto, thanks for noticing my mistake. And for your gracious compliments, of course! The thing is, I've lost pretty much all contact (except for occassional text messages) with my American and British friends living in my city, and I caught myself making more and more errors in my writing, not to mention my pronunciation is just horrid now. It doesn't matter how many years you've been speaking a foreign language, once you stop using it in face-to-face interactions, it all goes downhill. So feel free to correct me when necessary.
Octavia, thanks for the encouragement. I feel like I should take more pride in my latest NoS accomplishments, but I've been feeling so listless and blah lately that I don't have much energy to spare for celebrating. Wrong phase of the Moon, perhaps :lol:

FRIDAY :mrgreen:

I somehow managed to keep the day green, which is a real surprise to me. I suspect regular exercise has something to do with my green streak this week.
10 000 steps, all by walking, no formal exercise.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:23 pm

Excessive weekend. I hit my walking target on Saturday. On Sunday I missed some 300 steps to reach my goal. Current weight: 56.9.

MONDAY :mrgreen:
I feel like my plates could have been smaller, but as far as the habit goes, all was golden (I mean, green). 10 000 steps, including 1 mile workout. Kinda busy this evening, so here's the quick update, and hopefully I'll have a spare minute to write more and (most importantly) check what the rest of you is doing tomorrow morning. Have a green week!

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Post by ladybird30 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:45 am

You too Imogen.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:17 am

TUESDAY :oops:

Failure today. I was ravenous and had seconds right after lunch. But there was a success, too: I didn't let the WTH effect ruin the rest of my day. I accepted that perhaps there was a powerful biological reason for me to overeat in that moment, and kept it green afterwards. In the evening I was briefly contemplating throwing in the towel and gorging on white chocolate, but I told myself "naaah, that wouldn't be enjoyable at all", and I put the chocolate back in the cupboard.
10 000 steps today. I've been pretty consistent with that goal. Walking and light cardio are such productivity boosters!

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Post by Soprano » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:17 pm

Sounds like you are really getting this, well done

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Post by Imogen Morley » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:22 pm

WEDNESDAY :oops:
Another failure - seconds at dinner. The weather is just awful, it seems as if we haven't seen any sun in two months. I've come down with a nasty little cold, which is only slightly uncomfortable physically, but makes me sooo miserable anyway. This combined with TOTM is a recipe for disaster. I'm taking things easy, though. I can't reasonably expect any weight loss or perhaps even maintenance this week. I'm focusing on the habit, not stats.
After several vanilla weeks I sometimes find myself feeling too full after meals. 5 or 6 hours pass, and I'm not even slightly hungry, which is a sure signal I'm overeating a little bit - not enough to gain weight in a noticeable way, perhaps, but stay in the maintenance zone forever. I miss having healthy appetite for a meal, so I'm thinking of reducing my portions in some way, maybe by removing some of the calorie-dense stuff and replacing it with extra vegetables and/or fruit. I'm still mulling over it.
10 000 steps.
On the plus side, N is happy and comfortable in the daycare at last. What a relief!

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:50 pm

Hi, Imogen, haven't visited in awhile. Finding the sweet spot on amounts at meals has been my quest for quite awhile. It used to be so obvious. My true hunger has declined so much, but not my desire for food! :( I'm glad to see you will try to work this out on Vanilla for several months. Only then can you know if you need something different.
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Post by automatedeating » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:01 pm

Glad to hear N is settled at last!

The tweaking of the total amount/composition of the meal can be kind of fun, sometimes. :-) It's like a little experiment.

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:43 pm

Time Of The Month. When we are not really in charge of our weight, if we ever completely are.
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Post by Octavia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:29 pm

I’m also finding that I’m not so hungry at the moment. But for me, this is very novel, as the usual thing is for me to feel hungry very soon after a meal - not true hunger of course, though it is a physical feeling - maybe some kind of insulin spike when my body expects a snack to come. It’s so hard to find that sweet spot where one is eating just enough to feel reasonably satisfied and maintain a slim physique. I’m certainly not there yet....still focussing on habit-building. It’s a slow game, but I’m sticking at it, thanks to the support of the forum, and especially the insights from veteran members!

Great to hear that little N has settled into daycare! :)

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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:41 pm

THURSDAY, FRIDAY :mrgreen:
Weekly weigh-in: 56.7, so modest loss.
Lots of permasnacking this weekend. We're all fighting some nasty cold. I can't taste my food right now, and in consequence eat a lot of different bits and nibbles in the hope that something will wake up my sense of smell and let me enjoy eating again.
MONDAY :oops:
Minor failure - I finished N's vanilla pudding in the evening. Still no sense of taste or smell. It feels as if I was eating cardboard all the time.

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:45 pm

Oh, sounds like you've been under the weather for several days now. Sorry Imogen. :cry:
I hope you have a good restful sleep and feel better soon.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:20 pm

Thanks! I'm feeling a bit better now, but still can't exercise, it makes me dizzy.

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Post by Octavia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:01 pm

Get well soon, Imogen!

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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:34 pm

Thanks for all the good wishes. It seems like I'm improving, but I've booked an appointment with my GP to make sure everything really is okay. The dizziness and short breath don't seem normal to me if it comes to a garden-variety cold. N and P are fine, though, recovering at the speed of light. I can't keep up with them, too much energy :lol:
TUESDAY :mrgreen:
WEDNESDAY :oops: I regained my sense of smell, and P brought me some oreo cheesecake from our local bakery to celebrate that fact. I just couldn't resist... He declared today to be a sick-day, but did so retroactively, so that's cheating in my book. But as I said, I didn't even try to fight the urge to eat. Le sigh.
This week has been full of undereating, overeating, just not "just right" eating. Not being able to move as much as I used to is a real bummer, too. Still, I have two more days to repair the damage and stay strict and focused. Onwards!

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:24 am

Here's to green Thursday and Friday. You KNOW you'll be glad if you get them.
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Post by Octavia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:32 pm

Hope the rest of the week went well, Imogen, and you’re continuing to recover! :)

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Post by Imogen Morley » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:30 pm

Back to square one. Thanks, sinusitis. I don't want to share too many gross details, but that was, hands down, among top three most horrible and painful illnesses I've ever had the misfortune to contract. N quickly recovered after her garden-variety cold, but I've been stuck in bed for the last two weeks. I only slept, listened to audiobooks, and ate, my eyeballs hurt too much to read or browse the Web. Oh man. I certainly didn't care about NoS for that time, I just wanted that blasted thing to go.
Weight-wise, I'm still at 57, perhaps 57.5 kg. It's a miracle I maintained! However, I expect a lot of rebound eating this weekend, because (drumroll, please) I got back my sense of smell and taste. I'm so furious at... life? for throwing me various curve balls just when I begin to build the NoS habit. Sigh.

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:32 am

omg it sounds horrible! Not even able to read!? I would lose my mind, although luckily I have developed a recent habit for podcasts (my current favorite is Peter Attia's The Drive).

Your recovery is just in time for S Days. Then you'll be all ready for Monday!!!
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Post by lpearlmom » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:34 am

Omg, Im so sorry to hear about your illness. It sounds awful. Glad you’re finally feeling a bit better. Don’t worry about NoS. Youll get back on track in no time.
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Post by oolala53 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:03 am

Ugh, somehow pain near the brain seems harder to take. Glad the worst is over.

Just do your best with moderation. Maybe having a heightened sense of taste and smell can allow you to really savor what you have and eat less? I guess I'm being a Pollyanna. Do people still know what that means?
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Post by Imogen Morley » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:51 pm

Thank you all! I was so miserable for the past weeks, you have no idea. I felt like I should care about NoS, make some effort to at least have three meals a day instead of grazing all the time. And I knew that I snacked so much because eating was the only pleasure I had. My mum kept bringing me all kinds of homemade goodies, and I was powerless to resist them. I regret it so very much, but then, I try to be gentler with myself and grateful that it only lasted for two weeks, and no damage has been done as far as the number on the scale is concerned. Still... crushing disappointment. I dunno why, but even though I know sick days are canonical, I have a really hard time with them, and constantly beat myself up when I give in due to illness or PMS.
I took my first walk today and got dizzy halfway through. I've been told I might have that problem for several more weeks due to improper (is that a correct adjective here?) distribution of pressure in the skull. Sounds like fun. I can exercise, though, but gently, and preferably when there are people around. Ugh.
SATURDAY :wink:
Not so bad in terms of quantity, at least compared to my usual S-day madness. I had one extra large meal, normal breakfast and dinner, plus a pot of vanilla cream cheese, small slice of blueberry yogurt cake, and a puff pastry somewhere between meals. Nothing to write home about, to be honest.

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:29 pm

Here's wishing you steady improvement with your symptoms in this upcoming week.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:23 am

Awww, thanks!
SUNDAY :wink:
I had too much cake and chocolate, but honestly, I used to have much wilder S-days under my belt. Still feeling weak and unmotivated. Tomorrow's my first day in the office in three weeks and I can feel anxiety already kicking in. Sunday evenings are absolutely the worst.

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:20 pm

Sunday evenings are the worst for me, too. In fact, that's why I allow Sunday as one of my alcohol days. :roll: :lol:
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Post by Octavia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Hope you’re continuing to get better, Imogen. 💐

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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:23 pm

This past month has been a real health rollercoaster for my family. My mum had a surgery which thankfully went well, but she's been immobilised for a longer period of time. N is almost constantly sick and shares her bugs with me on a regular basis. The funny things is, while she's relatively okay besides the typical runny nose/cough, I always end up really ill, with fever, sinusitis, and other stuff. It seems to me that I've been feeling unwell since December. Next week I have an appointment with a laryngologist. It's not normal being so sick all the time. Might also get my thyroid checked. And when I'm not "actively" sick, I just feel exhausted.
I'm wondering how much of my crappy health is due to a crappy diet. Significantly less fruit and veg, loads of sugar, snacking (duh!), because of course I haven't paid much attention to maintaining good eating habits. I only counted calories on and off to create the illusion of accountability. But since all that counts is - nomen omen - numbers, quality suffers. When I know I have only three meals per day, I actually think about their optimal composition, so that I don't end up starving and binging before next mealtime comes. But grazing just leads to more grazing. Still, the appeal of calorie counting is strong, even if it doesn't lead me anywhere in the long run.
The main problem I have with vanilla NoS is S-days. I'm short and my calorie needs are quite modest, so I often erase any progress I've made during the week on Saturdays and Sundays. I just can't eat anything I want in any quantity, and not gain weight little by little over a longer period of time. When I was committed to vanilla NoS for several years, I weighed 125 pounds, just as today. It was okay, I suppose, but I still felt squishy and wobbly. 10 pounds less would be ideal. But at what price? And would that be sustainable?

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:28 pm

10 pounds less would be ideal. But at what price? And would that be sustainable?
Excellent question that always is worth pondering before we make changes.
I suppose finding what we are willing to sustain indefinitely is our best plan and then just learning to accept the weight that follows. For me, that is really just one "S" on a weekend, although even within that framework we can have the occasional wild day. That seems long-term sustainable to me.

Re: getting sick. I have not been ill since I started eating 2 cups of yogurt every day - I think that was last September. Mayhap a coincidence, but cool if it's actually making a difference in my immune health.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:51 am

Thanks for the tip, Auto! I've been actually wondering about probiotics/prebiotics. N takes beta-glucans every morning, and we did notice that the severity of her infections reduced. Since I'm not a fan of overly sugary products, I'll try to add a pot of plain yogurt with fresh fruit to my breakfast. Have you ever tried skyr, the Icelandic variety? It's super thick and packed with protein. I need to get my fridge stocked!

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Post by clarinetgal » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:34 pm

I’m just popping by to say hi. ✋🏻 I hope you’re feeling a little better today.
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Post by Octavia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:29 pm

Hi from me, too. Hope you’re feeling better. Here in the UK, there have been many viruses around which have given people recurring symptoms like yours for many weeks, months even. I’ve heard people talking about a sort of mild flu - aches, fatigue, that sort of thing. I’ve had a recurring sinus problem, sometimes with a cold, sometimes by itself, for months - and my DH has also been very tired and unwell, DD too. So I wonder if you’ve been suffering from something similar? I hope you feel better soon.

I certainly find that the three-meals system makes me focus more on nutrition. It’s not even a conscious thing - perhaps I just put a little more effort into the meals when I sense I’ll be really hungry for them and really enjoy them. When I’m grazing, quality goes out of the window - again, it seems to happen like that automatically.

Must try Icelandic skyr! Sounds good.

Take care and have a good weekend!

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:54 am

Yes! I have tried Skyr! I am sort of obsessed with yogurts.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:31 am

Just a quick note before I forget. I've been reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography this week. And although I do admire him for his accomplishments, determination, and hard work, I cannot help but think he's the perfect illustration of the psychological truth that willpower is a finite resource. If you exert too much of it in one area, other ones will suffer. You just can't have it all, even if you're Terminator :wink: No to say that Arnie is a failure, of course, because he couldn't keep it all together, but he's definitely just like the rest of us - flawed, with limited resources. Probably not the most common take away from the book, which only proves how much NoS influences my view on people and psychology in general.

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Post by Imogen Morley » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:50 am

B: 2x tuna salad on whole wheat, vanilla skyr with strawberries
L: 3 small slices of homemade feta/zucchini quiche, orange
D: chili con carne on barley

I think I'll go back to weighing once a week, on Friday morning. I'd also like to plan my three or four S-events a week instead of eating my way through the weekend, and keeping my three meals a day at around 1500 calories. This is what worked wonderfully in the past. I hope I can retrain my habits once again, but know I have to be comically strict about it.

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:26 pm

Neat about translating your NoS principles to your understanding of another human's limits for willpower.
I notice I am VERY careful about what I want to commit to because it's sort of like trying to add one final card to a tower - and then the whole thing can collapse and I go off the rails in all areas. We can only juggle so many balls at once, yes? We have to pick our favorite ones and let the rest stay on the ground, looking all cute and tempting us to try and add them to our repertoire. :roll:

BTW, I guess I plan my weekend S events. I don't spread them throughout the week (I do that with alcohol though, haha), but I do plan my dessert for Sat and Sun night. Well, it's always the same thing, actually - the one dessert that seems to make me feel better after I've had it rather than worse. :shock: I still often end up having a little junk in addition to the planned dessert, but generally not anything too crazy. That said, it's those little pieces of candy, etc., that I feel guilty about - never the delicious planned dessert.
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Post by Imogen Morley » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:14 pm

I have to/want to be honest. I had some unplanned food yesterday. Not a binge, perhaps, but I didn't stick to my eating plan for the day. I need to often remind myself that moderate eating is a habit like everything else and requires a lot of practice, making the same choice over and over again, even if I don't feel like it.

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