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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! finally a new page without so much scrolling!
May 29 - June 2:
Monday: S Day (national holiday) -- guess I started back with two S days in a row, lol
Tuesday: green
Wednesday: GREEN! made a delicious dinner: black peppered steak with cauliflower gratin and green beans. A nice sauce on the steak and sour cream and chives on the gratin.
Thursday: GREEN
Friday: aimin' for green

Weight: 143.4
Waist: 34.25
note: my thigh was 22.5 at its fattest point; my 8 year old's waist is not quite 21 inches.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrolling ? Why do you need to scroll to post on your thread?

Btw, good to see you back here!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 5th:
Monday: GREEN but the day isn't over and I'm having some cravings .....
Tuesday:
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you stayed strong and beat those cravings... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news is after long enough, habit will take over the limiting of the food. It may take adjusting over a period of time to see how much and what on the plate will get you where you want, but you'll probably work out your own Intelligent Dietary Defaults to make it easier. I remember Barry Sears saying long ago that most people end up eating the same 20 foods over and over. (This is what puts the lie to people saying they get bored with a diet. Really? They weren't bored with the repeating menu of convenience/manufactured food they ate before?) If you can slowly reduce some of them and replace the least satisfying/ lowest quality ones, you'll end up with a better routine. And know that slim cultures don't eat a huge variety for every meal. There's usually only one main meal a day where they do it up.

It does sound like these delivered meal ingredients are a nice bridge for people who haven't cooked much or are really strapped for time. I seem to luck out finding good sauces that I use on my very simply-prepared meal basics. Just like someone can eat chicken six ways to Sunday (is that the expression?), I'ver learned that I can enjoy my beans, a changing grain, veggies and a different sauce pretty routinely. (I rotate in some animal sources, too, but less lately for reasons I won't go into. They're on my thread.) I'm suspicious of myself when I think it has to be much better ALL the time. Bernard Jensen used to say to wait to eat until you had "the keenest desire for the plainest food." That may be a little too ideal, but it helps keep things in perspective.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 5th:
Monday: GREEN but the day isn't over and I'm having some cravings .....
update -- made it!!!!
Tuesday: GREEN so far, not so many cravings tonight, but fought down a mild sense of panic while I was eating that I would not be full after eating.
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:

Oolala! Thank you for your kind, thorough, and helpful post! What a treat! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And were you right about not being full?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol I am totally full!
I need to remind myself of this occurrence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. When I first started, I would check in periodically over the course of an evening and keep seeing that I was actually full, even if I had a yen to eat. And if I had an inkling that I wasn't getting enough food on the plate, I'd recall how many times I had doubted and been wrong. It still happens some times. I think of it as cave woman thoughts! Deep down, but mistaken.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 5th:
Monday: GREEN but the day isn't over and I'm having some cravings .....
update -- made it!!!!
Tuesday: GREEN so far, not so many cravings tonight, but fought down a mild sense of panic while I was eating that I would not be full after eating.
Wednesday: GREEN
Thursday: GREEN
Friday:

Weight: 143.6
Waist: 34.25 inches
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 5th:
Monday: GREEN but the day isn't over and I'm having some cravings .....
update -- made it!!!!
Tuesday: GREEN so far, not so many cravings tonight, but fought down a mild sense of panic while I was eating that I would not be full after eating.
Wednesday: GREEN
Thursday: GREEN
Friday: GREEN

Weight: 143.6
Waist: 34.25 inches
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 12th
Mon:GREEN
Tues:GREEN
Wed: GREEN
Thur:
Fri:

Weight:
Waist:

couple of things:
1 -- nice S weekend (last weekend)
Plan shaping in my head: Vanilla S for 6 months and hopefully 6 pounds
After that, I anticipate a plateau that I have reached several times where Vanilla NoS cannot take me beyond. At that point, I think I'll bring in the smaller plates/smaller portions strategy. Keep everything else the same. That's my tentative plan at this point.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it interesting to not be thinking about how you could add food back later? So often on diets, people are encouraged to limit their food a lot to lose and then increase it a little (because who can keep up the enforced limitation?) But with No S, it leads to realizing you don't need to add anything; in fact, you can subtract.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 12th
Mon:GREEN
Tues:GREEN
Wed: GREEN
Thur: GREEN
Fri:

Weight: 145.1
Waist: 34.5

How disappointing. I've been green all week. Sigh.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was disappointing? Did you not make it today?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh.
I gained weight and inches....
But I had an entirely green week.
I will try not to worry about it. I know i should concentrate on building habit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't followed too closely. Has your habit been fairly strong for several weeks?

BTW, I was browsing a bit in your previous posts and wanted to tell you that I'm pretty sure my thighs were 26+" before I started. I don't know what they are now, but I doubt they are under 22. Thankfully, thigh size has little correlation to any health problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, thanks oolala, I'll try not to worry too much about my thigh size, hehe.
I am only on my 3rd full week of NoS after many months away, so right now I know I just need to focus on habit.

June 18th
Monday: GREEN
Tuesday:
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:
Weight --
Waist --

I'm heading to a conference tomorrow morning. I'll be flying all day tomorrow and Sunday. Travel days are always tough.
But the conference should have good meals! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

June 18th
Monday: GREEN
Tuesday: GREEN
Wednesday: GREEN
Thursday: GREEN
Friday: GREEN

June 25th
Monday: GREEN
Tuesday: GREEN
Wednesday: GREEN
Thursday: GREEN
Friday: GREEN
Weight: 145
Waist: 34.5 inches

Wow. No changes at all, no weight loss, no inches loss, and ALL green days.
I've been drinking too much wine, that might explain it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

July 2nd
Monday:
Tuesday:
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:
Weight:
Waist:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to divert you from just establishing habit, and I know around here people like to encourage NOT worrying about too many details, but there are some truths that possibly shouldn't be ignored, especially for shorter women whose margins are usually smaller. Every alcoholic drink is about the about the same as another 1 1/2 servings of starch, 2-3 oz. of meat (which might be another full serving for many) or another tablespoon and a half of butter on the plate. Most sources that recommend wine/alcohol drinking suggest one serving a day for women, but that probably won't have the satiety effect that eating the same amount of food would, so it can be misleading. However, it also adds pleasure and likely a nice sense of relaxation.

As you said, you haven't been back long. July 4 might not help, depending on how involved your traditional celebrations are. But a plan has to be able to accommodate some celebrations!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the comment, oolala. I really appreciate the input, and the encouragement for me to find a plan that helps my body get to a healthy weight.
I have pondered my food/alcohol intake and two things stand out:

1) in the past on NoS, I have had the best success (and been quite content/satieted) when skipping breakfast. I just have several cups of milky coffee and I'm delighted each morning. Haha Since starting back on NoS, I've been having granola each morning with my usual whole milk. Lots of calories, and not necessary for my needs physically or psychologically. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't ever getting too hungry so I could stay GREEN. So.....I will reinstitute my breakfast skipping (please note -- I am probably still getting 100 calories or so from the milk in my coffee).

2) I need to cut back on my drinking (for lots of reasons, right?). That tends to be tougher. Over the years I have really built a bad habit of relying on alcohol to help me deal with my intense schedule and responsibilities. Maybe that's a bit heavy for NoS forum chat, but it is what it is.

Week starting July 2nd
Monday: GREEN
Tuesday: 4th of July, S afternoon
Wednesday:
Thursday:
Friday:
Weight:
Waist:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can call milky coffee breakfast. Only you can know if several of them are less intake than granola and milk, though granola is pretty dense so packs a lot into small spaces...

We've just about all used something that didn't really support us as functionally as something else could.

I'm a firm believer in the value of being able to pinpoint what benefit we think we get from a bx, what benefits we'd like even more, and what the disadvantages are as a jump off point for changing the behavior. I think when people get it really clear, that's when turnarounds happen. That's when habit theory's concept of bright lines helps the process.

Judith Beck says one of the most misleading thoughts we have are when we believe that we're doomed to repeat certain coping strategies we've come to depend on. No matter how many times we've used that loop, a different behavior is possible. It might not be as exciting or intense, but avoiding the negatives of the offending bx is often enough to balance things out, IF we pay attention to them. And it takes practice.

Have a good 4th!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Week starting July 2nd
Week 5 or 6? I'll have to check
Update: Week 6 of good compliance.
Monday: GREEN
Tuesday: 4th of July, S afternoon
Wednesday: small fail (few steak fries off kid's plate)
Thursday: GREEN
Friday: GREEN
Weight: 145
Waist: didn't bother; it's too discouraging!

OK, so here's where I'm at --
skipping a formal breakfast didn't help, but perhaps one week wasn't enough (and July 4th was an S afternoon)

So my plan for the next 4 weeks is:
1) milky coffee for breakfast
2) NoW (No wine except on Weekends and Wednesdays)
3) walking or biking daily

So I'll set it up like this:
Week 7, but start of 4 weeks of serious business plan with the intent to get the damn scale to move down at least one pound by the end of the 4 weeks.
Week 1 of serious business plan
July 10th,11th,12th,13th,14th
Monday: Eating? GREEN Walking? GREEN -- went on a nice hike NoDrinking? RED; had a glass of red wine
Tuesday: Eating? Walking? NoDrinking?
Wednesday: Eating? Walking? Glass Ceiling?
Thursday: Eating? Walking? NoDrinking?
Friday: Eating? Walking?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the support re: the cooking class. It went fine enough. Congrats on the compliance rate! Nothing to do but keep trying adjustments.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saturday, July 22nd

I am feeling like a whale. I feel sad, fat, and like I can't succeed. I feel unaccomplished compared to some of the friends I have hung out with lately.I guess I feel like I am kind of trashy -- from domestic care issues to how cultured (not) that I am, my lack of style. Oh, God. I am a mess right now.
I feel like my family is crazy. And I'm one of them so I'm crazy too. I feel like I can't change my habits. I feel like a fat, lazy failure.

Sigh. That's a lot of ugly feelings. I'm sorry to barf them out here. I actually hope no one reads this entry because I know how ridiculous I sound.

I weighed myself this morning after returning from visiting my family. I had maintained nearly perfect compliance! I didn't feel thin, but I was proud of my compliance.
And... yup -- I gained 2 pounds. I'm at 147.5 pounds this morning. 135 is the top of my healthy BMI.

Logically, the weight gain came from meals that were too dense, lack of activity, and probably having a couple of S Days in there (other than the weekend).

I also have a minor joint pain in my hip/thigh that makes hiking uphill uncomfortable. I think, although not serious, it is a factor in keeping me from exercising as much as I'd like to.

OK, so here I am. It's an S Day (Saturday) but so far I'm just keeping it normal. I can't go on like this, getting bigger and bigger, and more and more physically limited on my hikes.

As if all this junk thought filling my head isn't icky enough, I am also reeling a bit from discovering on my vacation that a) one of my sisters is an alcoholic (I have suspected for some time) -- my family makes excellent high-functioning alcoholics. It's one of our giftings (oh, please tell me you sense the dripping sarcasm); and b) my oldest niece is addicted to meth/heroine. I think my other sister is going to end up having to raise her granddaughter.....I sort of see the writing on the wall with that situation.

A few years ago when I first joined NoS, I feel like I was a more confident woman. Now, I feel beat up and incompetent. What has happened to me? My goodness, this post is ridiculous. I am a goober.

A goober that wants to stick to Vanilla NoS but is finding (like oolala has reminded her) that Vanilla NoS without considering what's on the plate doesn't work for me. I'm going to take a nap. Maybe I'll feel better when I get up. Maybe I'll clean my house or weed or go on a walk.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so sorry you're feeling so awful. It sounds like there are a lot of sad family revelations going on. And you sound frustrated about your weight. But you probably know your worth is not your weight, right? Hope you are able to get through this valley quickly and just drive on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh I feel your pain! My weight is up for no apparent reason too and it's hard to stay positive.

I think we all have these times when we fall into a funk and everything appears hopeless. Frankly I think we're all a mess. Some of us are just better at hiding it than others but you're not a failure. You're a good person, a great mom and you have a good job.

Hang in there. Life is so dang hard sometimes but this too shall pass.

*hugs* linda

PS

I'm so sorry about your sister.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Linda and Larkspur. I definitely showed my uglies today.
I was just reading over on Imogen's thread -- I hadn't even realized she'd had a baby, that is so cool.
Anyway, then I somehow wandered onto a thread where oolala recently pointed out a problem that IS EXACTLY MY PROBLEM. She said something about how if we thinking facing down our desire for pleasure is unfair/not a fair trade-off, that we just end up sabotaging ourselves. Ultimately it WOULD be a fair (more than fair) trade-off, but it's a realization that we have to let sink into our bones. I'm paraphrasing the eloquent oolala -- but hopefully I got this gist correct.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm flattered and it sounds about right, though I don't usually talk about sabotage, because it sounds so mean. I don't think we're being mean in overeating. It's just hard to justify the sacrifice if we dont' get something we want more. If weight loss is the only thing we want, it makes it harder.

So, you're about 5'2"? Hmm, that is challenging. Did you see my thread on "intake?" It's likely your need for calories is pretty low. If you had been raised in a slimmer culture, you would probably never have gotten used to eating much more than it would take to maintain a lower weight. But here we are.

I could be wrong, but I suspect you'd feel a lot better not getting full as often but it is isn't easy to make that happen. The habit will make desire pop up before you want it to. If you decide it's worth it to press on, have something great to eat in your plan for the next meal and look forward to waiting for it!

I hope you feel better now. I often feel funny when people post comforting things because the worst is usually over. But I"m not complaining! I'm grateful people care.

Just keep going.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey auto, just catching up after my own off the rails / somewhat depressing little episode. So sorry you are going through a rough time, and lots of tough family stuff too. Something in the water the past few days for sure.

I was thinking of you the other day, because I want to start reading my oldest (who is 5 now) some longer "chapter" books, and I remembered being inspired by your idea of daily reading. I thought you might be able to recommend some good titles to get started on?

Hope this week is on the way up!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew. I'm back. Thank you to everybody for the encouragement.
I am feeling a little better -- I think I am finally accepting that my small stature means I can be satisfied with smaller portions. Or at least, I am accepting it today (and usually I never want to accept that!).

I have also made an appointment to see a marriage counselor (alone, lol) tonight. My goals are to work with her to develop strategies to get my husband to engage in the counseling too.

He's a gentle man, a kind man, but he is emotionally unavailable (maybe that's a cliche, but it is oh so true). I think his family's motto was "Do not Feel" -- there was no strong emotion that was OK to express.

So I've been writing a lot today; I have 3 pages of writing for the counselor. Ha! I will get my money's worth from her, I guess! Smile

Ok, so my game plan this week is:
no breakfast
small portioned lunch and dinner -- smaller plates
no wine with dinner on Mon/Tues/Thur

Monday - GREEN
Tuesday -
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