Science against Snacks
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I found that article encouraging, supporting No S but then, on the same web-site I found this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 095450.htm which supports snacking as an anti-obesity strategy and this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 125050.htm which supports having dessert with breakfast to combat weight gain - seems like you can pick a study to support No S, or to contradict it.
Long ago I learned to stop looking at studies and start looking at evidence. People who don't snack or snack rarely tend to weigh less than people who snack. They also tend to be healthier.
I'm not sure about dessert after breakfast, but I don't think a small dessert after a meal is necessarily harmful, especially if it keeps you from bingeing on sweets later.
I'm not sure about dessert after breakfast, but I don't think a small dessert after a meal is necessarily harmful, especially if it keeps you from bingeing on sweets later.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
Not sure if it would have complicated things too much, but I think there should have been people eating snacks that were not high fat, high sugar as well. The snack fans will just say that it's okay if it's healthy snacks, even if the data implies that the gains didn't happen when the foods were eaten at meals, implying that it wasn't the food quality that made the difference.
I guess this also supports the idea that it's better to have our S's be sweets with meals and/or seconds even on S days. All in due time.
I guess this also supports the idea that it's better to have our S's be sweets with meals and/or seconds even on S days. All in due time.
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
While one is probably most likely to gain weight from high fat, high sugar and high calorie snacks, I don't think it matters. One can gain weight eating wholesome snacks, too. Too many calories is too many calories no matter where they come from.oolala53 wrote:Not sure if it would have complicated things too much, but I think there should have been people eating snacks that were not high fat, high sugar as well. The snack fans will just say that it's okay if it's healthy snacks, even if the data implies that the gains didn't happen when the foods were eaten at meals, implying that it wasn't the food quality that made the difference.
I guess this also supports the idea that it's better to have our S's be sweets with meals and/or seconds even on S days. All in due time.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
I have tried for days to ignore the puzzlement I feel every time I read the above. If not from studies, where is evidence of quality, worthy of the name "evidence", to come from?wosnes wrote:Long ago I learned to stop looking at studies and start looking at evidence.
Dr. David B. Allison, director of the Nutrition Obesity Research Center at the University of Alabama, and colleagues recently published a paper on Myths, Presumptions, and Facts about Obesity - a review of what we do and don't know from the science. The assertion that snacking is associated with gaining weight and getting fat is described as a presumption - not yet proven to be true or false.
It is nice to enjoy studies that support No S, and if that helps, fine, but let's not fool ourselves that "science" endorses No S - some studies appear to support it, but others appear to contradict it.
That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove.Graham wrote: It is nice to enjoy studies that support No S, and if that helps, fine, but let's not fool ourselves that "science" endorses No S - some studies appear to support it, but others appear to contradict it.
However when you look at people, currently or from previous generations, those who don't snack or snack rarely are usually not as heavy as those who snack regularly.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
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wosnes wrote: That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove.
..... so true .....
A biologist, a physician, and a statistician went deer hunting together.
When a deer appeared, the biologist shot 15 foot to the right of the deer.
The physician shot 15 foot to the left of the deer.
The statistician shouted in Glee .."We GOT him"
BrightAngel - (Dr. Collins)
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See: DietHobby. com
All of this is why I take my "evidence" from large "samples": Italy and France, the countries with two of the lowest average BMI's in Europe, a region whose low count can't usually be attributed to a high degree of poverty. Until recently, neither of those cultures was a consistent snacking culture. They have relatively set cultural limits on serving size and meal makeup. They have three meals for adults but at least one of those meals is quite small (breakfast, for both) and only one main meal per day. It sounds like it varies whether lunch or dinner will play the biggest role in eating on any one day. They revere food but don't value overeating and they take time to savor what they do eat. (They also value consistent moderate exertion, even in urban areas; you don't have to be a farmer to recreate their calorie burn, though you might have to be a little artificial if you live where walking would be hazardous.) No S and these facts for me have complemented each other well. Of course, my goal was not to find the way to eat so that I could weigh the least possible but to live in a way that allowed me to eat with the greatest all around pleasure. I occasionally consider other influences, but none have been superior yet.
The fact that SOME "scientific" evidence supports this sanity is just, well, an S.
The fact that SOME "scientific" evidence supports this sanity is just, well, an S.
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
What oolala53 said.oolala53 wrote:All of this is why I take my "evidence" from large "samples": Italy and France, the countries with two of the lowest average BMI's in Europe, a region whose low count can't usually be attributed to a high degree of poverty. Until recently, neither of those cultures was a consistent snacking culture. They have relatively set cultural limits on serving size and meal makeup. They have three meals for adults but at least one of those meals is quite small (breakfast, for both) and only one main meal per day. It sounds like it varies whether lunch or dinner will play the biggest role in eating on any one day. They revere food but don't value overeating and they take time to savor what they do eat. (They also value consistent moderate exertion, even in urban areas; you don't have to be a farmer to recreate their calorie burn, though you might have to be a little artificial if you live where walking would be hazardous.) No S and these facts for me have complemented each other well. Of course, my goal was not to find the way to eat so that I could weigh the least possible but to live in a way that allowed me to eat with the greatest all around pleasure. I occasionally consider other influences, but none have been superior yet.
The fact that SOME "scientific" evidence supports this sanity is just, well, an S.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
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Add to this that it is not necessarily valuing it, but having it imposed as a way of life. For instance, I have never in my adult life lived in a building equipped with an elevator (there was one in my parents' home). So most of my life, I've had to use the stairs as a matter of course. Also, we do not own a car (and neither of us can drive anyway), so that I do most of my shopping on foot. Walking is just part of life. I remember that as a student, I took a bus only when very late or more than usually tired. Otherwise, I would cross Paris on foot several times a day without ever thinking about it.They also value consistent moderate exertion, even in urban areas; you don't have to be a farmer to recreate their calorie burn
P.S. Could anyone explain how you insert a quote saying "So and so said" ? Do you have to enter it manually ?
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See the "quote" icon at the top right of each post? Click on that and the post will appear in a "post reply" format. If you want to respond to a small portion of the quoted post, you will have to manually delete the unwanted parts.MamieTamar wrote: P.S. Could anyone explain how you insert a quote saying "So and so said" ? Do you have to enter it manually ?
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
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Re: Science against Snacks
Thank you, greatpumpkin, for taking the time and posting this for us. Very helpful for hubby and myself, especially where we are right now with our motivation...
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That's great heatherhikes! I'm a fan of that Science Daily site. I love how it's organized by science topics. Everything from Diabetes to Quantum Physics. As some have pointed out, studies often contradict each other, but that in and of itself is good information to have. Having the latest news on weight control is as important to me as sports, weather, or political news.
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