Everyday Systems

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Very sane and moderate thinking and behavior.

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Hang in there. We're on your side.

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I'm finding that I feel much better these days if I don't eat anything until at least 10 a.m. It takes some doing to skip coffee on these cold-for-us mornings, but later I'm glad I did. It occurred to me it might be good to declare that I'd like to go 21 days doing this, even on S days, just to see ...

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Sounds like SPAM.

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Saw you caught the SPAM on the Extinction Burst thread. I was surprised to see the last post on it had been in 2014! Time flies.

Best wishes for speedy recovery of your wife.

Keep up the good work!

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Funny, fp, long driving stints are some of the easiest times for me not to snack. I used to look forward to getting coffee when stopping for gas. (In hot weather, I'd splurge on diet soda.) That meal even farther down the road was a reward, too. I'd just go ahead and have whatever was around when th...

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Went to an event where we ate lunch out and then convened at someone's house for dessert. I felt good leaving the lunch but too full leaving the dessert house. Oh well. I'm happy to skip dinner and I have terrific leftovers.

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If you didn't know, OA has required three meals a day, no snacking, for the eating version of abstinence, for decades. When I went, there were no restrictions on flour and sugar but I did read at other times that there were. The meal restrictions were MODERATE meals, and no one defined those. I thou...

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Oh, yeah, I wasn't letting all the info sink in. The person could get units for completing the course, and the hours aren't quite right for a middle schooler. Would each course participant HAVE to lose weight? (I smell a lot of guilt coming on for those who don't do as well.) Though I doubt very muc...

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TX. I've finished 5 days of sane eating, and boy, does it feel good. I don't think I've had 5 good days in a row since July. Maybe even before. I just have to accept that my appetite is really small. I'm making more of an effort to plan to have something really delicious at at least one meal. I have...

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Congratulations on what sounds like a better atmosphere. Letâ€™s hope the pies are a holiday thing.

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Iâ€™m so glad when people post! The email notice is a reminder to stay on track.

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My first recommendation is to say to tough it out and keep Fridays Vanillla. But if that sounds unnecessarily difficult, I would say to end the S's at midday on Sunday. S days don't go from breakfast Saturday to breakfast Monday, so it's not a 48-hour thing, but more of a 36-hour thing, though not i...

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I have not been even close to successful this first week of December and haven't been compliant since at least July. Maybe thinking of myself being on the challenge will help. I have only two weeks of my teaching career left. It is after the students leave that I usually break down and eat outside o...

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Except Thompson is making hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions, by now on her courses. I'm sure she is going to do some good, too. She got her idea originally from OA. And she WAS obese, and she is a neuroscientist, so she found plenty of backing for the restrictions. But I still th...

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Had an old fashioned, cookie-dough-eating failure on Friday. No good reason. Probably less than a quarter of what I have eaten in the past, but it was just the automaticity of it that annoyed me. They have these small packages now so that I guess people can make just a few cookies. None of it made i...

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Not just underprepared, but the arguing and refusing to do what I say! One boy particularly today paired himself up with his girlfriend for a paired exercise. I kept walking by and seeing nothing get added to their papers. I finally told him to move back to his own desk and he just kept saying they ...

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I can't believe people with families teach. I couldn't have pulled it off. I can barely pull it off for myself. I"m determined to put a few decorations up this year. At least I don't have to bake.

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Oh, thereâ€™s a thread for reporting SPAM. Reinhard gets to it eventually.

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It's not SPAM. It's the books that show up at the bottom of the page that are linked to content from posts. The price we pay for using the internet! Had a doctor's appointment and saw my weight with clothes on. Hadn't really meant to look. I didn't freak out; it certainly matches the experience I've...

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I see you've caught a lot of spam messages. It almost seems there are more of them than newbies! That's what happens to the unflashy stuff.

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When I read on other forums of regimes that women (mostly young) say are working, I often shake my head. I suspect they won't last through all the next decades will bring to them. I am presently wrestling with not being able to bring structure back after years of pretty much compliant No S behavior....

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Stopped baking long ago. Better for me to just buy in the quantity and for the event needed.

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It's astounding that it might cost $4,000 for a week's walk. That's almost $600 a day. What would the money go for? I know it would not be a comparable spiritual journey, but there must be other interesting routes in Europe or even here in the States that might be worthy of making a goal and keeping...

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Oh, so many essays to go, though I'm not looking at any tonight. They're so discouraging to read!

But in case you haven't seen my thread, these are my last essays! Retiring December 31st. It sure makes things easier.

But I remember when I couldn't even conceive of it all being over.

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In California there is an accreditation process that takes over a year to prepare for. And it happens every three years, though schools that do well can have just a simpler check-in at three and the full inspection at six years. Thank goodness my school got the bypass nearly the whole time I worked ...

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We're rooting for you.

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Thanks, Bluebell. The intensity is over. I'm sure thoughts about him and our experience will come and go, more so if I spend much time with family on the holidays, but that doesn't seem to be in the offing. It's fine. It's all part of the unfolding. My eating is crappy. I feel crappy a lot of the ti...

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Whatever is sustainable and brings pleasure is where it's at in my book.

Getting ready to "run the rapids" of the holidays. Not gaining is a boon.

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Thanks for your kind words.

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It CAN be tricky, but overall, you are doing quite well, it seems to me, maintaining a respectable loss over the last six months. I've had the bumpiest time since I dropped into about the same level of BMI as you are. I sometimes think it may be asking too much? But it doesn't feel better to eat mor...

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Bluebell, I warmly suggest you write that list of miseries somewhere you can read it over and over, day after day, to remind yourself what you are tolerating the difficult times avoid. Because the truth is there is often at least SOME difficulty in sticking to No S. This is what people who work towa...

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That sounds tough! Hugs.

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https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11895

re: dentist stuff

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fooled again...

The voice that asks for ice cream is pretty sneaky.

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Kudos on the loss and the gain of sane habits!

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ladybird, that's what low satiety value means. The food is engineered to lower satiety/make you want more. The company execs all worship the "bliss point," when a person just keeps wanting more and more. It's flavor and texture/crunch. It's been known about for decades. These people are proud of the...

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I couldn't see it, either, but I know the Blue Zones inhabitants (high ratio of people living to 90 and beyond with little disease) do a lot of walking in hilly terrain. Longevity researcher Valter Longo recommends about an hour a day of fast walking. I'm not doing it consistently, but I'm thinking ...

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Bravo!

Hope you had time to get bread.

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Hi, newbies. I suggest you not think in terms of weight you have to lose, but overeating you have to lose- as enjoyably as possible. There's no knowing how it will be for any one person over the course of six months or a year. You can't really tell too much before then because early success and fail...

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I do encourage you to start a thread. Let everyone know so that we can follow you. I don't know what to say about the lack of loss of weight. It just doesn't make sense unless your meals were pretty substantial to start and it turns out you weren't taking in as much in your S's. I didn't get into th...

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You have to look at it as an overall trend. Does it lead to wanting more? Over time, are you moving towards more traditional versions of these foods? And more reasonable quantities?

If you are in your first months, just try not to keep opening the oven to see if the cake is baking...

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If it's not very expensive, it's worth a try. Do you use them before or after brushing your teeth?

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Oh, the other thing about the refined/ modern packaged stuff is that they have low satiety value; the body will send signals to eat more of them than plainer, less condensed food. The body loves easy calories! 1 million years ago, there was a big advantage to taking in as much of them as it could.

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Thanks, Jenji. Iâ€™ve actually gotten rid of a fair amount. I want to try to find those who might really use what I donâ€™t want/need anymore but even with social media, I donâ€™t have an easy time with the pics/posting/getting it to an appropriate place that is accessible but not a burden on neighb...

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Yours isn't the only one. It's a misplaced appreciation habit. People are brainwashed that there is anything normal about it. I don't know what it's like now, but I can't imagine that happening in a traditional French office. No one would want to ruin their appetite for their delicious lunch or dinn...

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Moving along. The intensity is diminishing. I'm repeating myself but the speed has been incredible. His mobile home is gone to Mexico, it having been completely cleared before removal; a new one is on the property and probably the new resident there. All possessions have been distributed. My niece e...

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Not that you asked, but I think of eliminating foods that I find I don't consistently enjoy before, during, or after I eat it. I like thinking I can be reasonable with most foods, but I also remind myself that most traditional cultures don't (or didn't used to) have refined foods pushed on them all ...

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Keep racking up those wins, especially saying no to the random offers. Undercutting that human tendency to be an opportunistic eater is a real boon to moderation.

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I'd bed compared to where you were a year ago with your eating you are way ahead of the game.

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I agree with your outlook.

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Well, his mobile home is gone to Mexico. A new one is already up in its place, much bigger. His truck was totaled. I went for the viewing today and very glad I did. I didn't ask to see anything else Kim's family might have salvaged. Oh, I did ask for a couple of small kitchen appliances I will keep ...

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It CAN work. It can also lead to even worse eating habits.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/h ... -1.3646278

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fa ... e#section2

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This is one of those situations where using fear would be a good thing. It's the timing that matters. If we feel the fear only when there is no risk, when there are no eating decisions to be made, it's going to be ineffective suffering. We need to muster the fear, or resolve, right when the urge to ...

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If there is a term for the action, I can't think of it. We are "mandated reporters" of sexual or other abuse/neglect. At the high school level, the focus is more on reporting sexual abuse. We've had at least three cases of staff prosecuted for sexual abuse since I've worked at the school. One served...

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Yeah, part of it is that not only was the death so sudden but his effects are being dismantled so quickly. Just about everyting that could be salvaged is out of his trailer and that could be gone in another week or so. His truck will go to the auto wreck yard if it hasn't already. I think I got out ...

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You'd better believe those are symptoms of withdrawal. But that can be true for any habit change. It's just that the brain is more intensely and narrowly stimulated by electronics. PLEASE stand by having him have to lay down other neural networks! It is not easy at first. That is the nature of deali...

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I put the veggie addition would under the "intelligent dietary default" category. It's really what most slim cultures do. They have set courses of meals that are made of similar building blocks. The portions are relatively se, too, as is the balance of light and heavy. I think it's a reasonable evol...

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I used to leave teacher trainings with raging headaches. SUCH a discrepancy between what they were always talking about and what I knew my classroom was like. Not to mention the previous failure of so many recommended techniques. Now I am usually just bitter for the rest of the day. But I can't blam...

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We're both LIbras, no? Belated Happy Birthday.

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I'm pretty sure women in slim cultures take it for granted they will sit down and eat their food from a plate. And the kids do it, too. You might have seen references here on No S (or maybe not- been busy) to two books written by women who moved to France and ended up having children there. Lots of ...

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So interesting that this got bumped up. I posted that I was impressed that he had found a way to eat sustainably. At that point, I had had one good week, I think, just before Thankgsgiving of 2008. I did not really commit and make it a habit until nearly a year later. That was nearly nine years ago....

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Even if you want something desperately, it's important to look for ways to be happy before you get it. In the back of my mind, I suspected that I could get back to high school weight but my focus was always on the pleasure of the habits, so even when I was 20 lbs. heavier than that (which was about ...

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Why do you say far from perfect? I would think that if you could do that at a buffet forever, it would be perfect enough.

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I put my salad on my plate. If I were to put it in a bowl, I would leave a space on the plate for it. I put small soup bowls on the plate, too. I can always take it off to eat. But I leave the space for it unfilled. This means for most of my lunches and dinners, only about half the plate has protein...

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Night shifts are correlated with 29% greater risk of obesity. Per metastudy of 28 studies. I would imagine pretty high for overweight, too. But it's a personal call. It's nice your husband said your in-laws would understand. I get exhausted having to be pleasant around other people for long periods ...

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Thanks. It had actually gotten more and I broke down several times, the last one feeling like what people call a panic attack. Is this grief? Feel like I can't concentrate on anything but this stuff and some unpacking. Part of it was imagining what it was going to be like going in to work tomorrow a...

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I warmly recommend that you read some books on body image and trying to separate image expectations from eating and especially from the habit of self-criticism. Don't let it get to you if they tell you to use intuitive eating or not to diet, etc. We are deluged with food in our culture and almost ev...

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Thanks, everyone. I got home last night and there was a lovely flower arrangement from the school I work at. It kind of choked me up in a way that nothing had so far. Then later, it did hit me: though my brother hadn't played a "brotherly" role in my life, he is the only other person alive besides m...

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I read of a woman who bought a small used coffee table and put that on her regular desk. That was her raised desk and she said it worked out well. It might take some doing to find the right size. It was cheap! I have an old tall desk (43") where I put my keyboard and the monitor. I use it only at ho...

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Lots of wins.

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Sounded lovely despite the cancellation. And nice that you didn't get upset with yourself over the small fail. In the circumstance, I think I would allow myself to take my portion and wait to start eating until everyone had served herself, then decide to add a bit more before the first bite and stil...

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I think it's rather typical to go through those times of eating easy, heavy stuff. Humans are wired to go for the most calories for the least work. I'm still perplexed when it happens, but so far, I always come out of it, too.

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I'll second the emphasis on putting weight loss on the back burner. It just brings in an element that complicates the process. If you have to lose weight AND not binge in order to feel successful- well, I think you see the problem. You've linked two things that are not necessarily dependent on each ...

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Wanting to avoid regret is a great motivator, once you get the ball rolling. It's amazing how often we forget; it seems it takes countless experiences of feeling deflated before we start making the tough decision often enough to create momentum. I'm coming off a few months of having been off the pat...

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Liz, welcome back! And it'a not a mirage. Food does mitigate some of the stress chemicals, but as you say, it's only temporary AND doing it increases the strength of the habit. Only you can say if it's better to put up with the discomfort. There's going to be some at one end or the other.

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Might we get an update?

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I bet three weeks of no sugar (which is even stricter than the rules ask for) is a BIG victory. It was for me just not to have sweets. But a blessed one. I aspire to keep to it indefinitely.

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Jenji, that is not an unusual reaction. That's why it's so good to just have the concept of systematic moderation be the touchstone rather than appearance or even weight loss. Do I want to live systematically moderately with food or keep letting all kinds of haphazard influences send me careening ar...

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Well, it's 4 a.m. and I feel like telling someone, but I don't think it's necessary to wake anyone else up yet. I got a call from a deputy coroner telliing me my brother, who lives about 100 miles away, was killed in an auto accident last night around 11. She thinks he probably had a heart attack or...

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Tx for acknowledging my b'day!

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Neurolinquistic programming. It's been pooh poohed, and I'm no big advocate, but it says that it's good to pair a kinesthetic cue with a thought. If you do it enough, then even just the touch cue can be enough. That idea may not be confined to NLP. It kind of makes sense. Certainly the urge to eat h...

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I wish I could say I feel carefree about restaurants, but I don't. They take effort. The food is rich and refined and so easy to eat too much of. But I'm not giving them up!

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Gillian Riley says dealing with food addiction for most people is more like dealing with sex addiction. Sex addicts are not expected to be permanently abstinent. If you want me to mess with your mind, see if your library has Over the Influence: the Harm Reduction Guide for Managing Drugs and Alcohol...

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Well, Soprano, that idea of looking for another job put things into perspective! Honeslty, I've said that in the last five years, if I there was a job I WANTED to do for even $20,000 a year, I would quit and go do it. I just don't like doing things that others pay you for! I like to do the things I ...

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Coffee is controversial. Not everyone regards it as a health detractor. There were articles back in 2015 and 2017 that showed correlations with drinking a few cups a day to longevity. But it depends on how you feel it affects you. And I agree that unless you know it's a hazard for you, don't try to ...

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I gave up baking sweets years ago. I was tired of trying to prove to myself I could do it and then being wrong. (I shouldn't judge for others, but I have seen on Spark that so many women seem to be kidding themselves about why they love to bake. It gives them an opportunity to overeat!) Sure, there ...

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I just read on a site yesterday that hunger is not a sign that outsider food is needed. Itâ€™s a sign to check resources; does the body go looking for calories from outside or from inside, from its liver, from its fat stores? It will normally prompt going outside because its DNA mandate is to preser...

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TX! S's today about 1/3 of leftover dessert as I cut it into portions to freeze a chunk of banana a few dates out of the container that fell open as I was rearranging items in the freezer the rest of the banana The last two were because I'm pretty sure Im going to be up late grading papers and I don...

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Lovely to hear it.

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Good thing for us that she fell in love with French cooking and not couture.

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The traditional French are more likely to think of big portions as bad, as well as fast food and shiny-packaged snacks. And not savoring food. Things, sadly, are changing.

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Theoretically, you could have virtual plated, unless you knew that you would likely eat more than you would have on one plate.

You have two days per month you can designate as special S days.

In any case, I bet there were some scrumptious morsels to enjoy!

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Oh, yeah, I had (and have) the basics for meals most of the time. I'm too impatient to make whole recipes! Hat is off to the real cooks. I add commercial sauces- I look for ones with the simplest ingredients and use just enough for flavor- when I assemble the meal. Most take 10-15 minutes. (I don't ...

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Sounds like it's getting you what you want. Negotiating the amount of hunger we want to feel is key. Do-ability counts for a LOT!

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Going to try reporting my S's for awhile tastes at Costco (1-2 bite sizes) Belvita bar Vitamix drink Greek yogurt beef stroganoff lamb shank bisque at philosophy class (with birthday cake and flan- my birthday) macaroon half each small scone and peach pastry cashews chocolate mousse cake flan I real...

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My sweet thing had gone way beyond its being for emotional reasons. I was just full on hooked, and probably still am, to some degree. I would eat 20 oz. of chocolate plus other sweets in a weekend when I first started. I would never have made it if I thought I'd have to limited myself to a piece of ...

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Seems to me you are doing really well. You are certainly in a better place with sweets than I was at the same point and maybe even now! So nice to hear it. I went back to the beginning of your thread. You were struggling a bit (I feared for you) and then it shifted. It seems the book and HabitCal we...

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Jenji, that sounds like something from NLP. It's a good tactic. I used a lot of the thought recommendations from Judith Beck's book, or variations of them. Such as: "If I give in to this urge, I'll keep this 40-year overeating habit going. I really don't want to live like that for the rest of my lif...

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