Everyday Systems

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I think Italians at home eat a lot more variety than pasta, which is often just a couple of dry ounces at one meal, but I get your point. My hotel owner in Bologna told me it's actually unusual to have bread at the same meal as pasta. Researchers have shown that people do indeed eat more with more v...

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I'm adding this as a separate post to give my two cents (not just mine, actually) about emotional eating. One of the most potent learnings, if really honed in on, is that it is ultimately so fleetingly effective. I think one of the problems is that there are people out there who imply that you can f...

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A fellow teacher at my old school had weight loss surgery and did keep it off as of when I retired at the end of 2018, and that was several years of maintenance. She had had to lose 40 lbs on her own before the surgeon would work on her, I assume to get her to see what her eating was going to be sim...

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I'm barging in here because I have been looking for Soprano regarding an email she might have sent me last December using oolala53 at yahoo. I am presuming that is the email address I would have recommended. I couldn't find it. I may be misreading things but I don't see a lot of activity on her thre...

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Hi, Melderin! I've been a pretty dedicated No S-er since just before 2010. Soprano knows me. I hope it's not too much of a damper if I say had a glucose scare that sent me to 2MAD a few years ago and 40% of the weight I lost was muscle. A1c didnt not change much. There is an online gal whose work I ...

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The hunger issue is a big deal I think because so many people say they like something like keto because they don't feel the hunger the way they did. (I have tried it and didn't feel hunger but didn't feel sated either. ugh) And because people on the new meds say they never knew they could have so fe...

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Thanks, PH. Actually, the man you are referring to is doing pretty well despite his mild problems. He may escape the effects you are talking about before heart disease gets him. I'm actually surprised how well the people I know in their 80's are doing despite overweight and bad numbers. But yeah, th...

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I had one of my two days of this weeks down days today. I admit I got pretty freaking hungry for my second meal. I was still able to get myself to stop and shop at a store that was on the way home from a haircut appointment. I’m trying to be more efficient with my travel so I talked myself out of ju...

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Nice to hear from you, Win and Ellis. Things have changed a bit again. The online coach I mentioned has a website you can find out about maintenance and weight loss calorie recommendations-am I repeating myself? too lazy to go back and look. Those are available a lot. I was surprised that hers were ...

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Judith Beck recommended something that might seem like too much trouble, but it really makes sense since the body can send so many signals at various times of day that are in opposition to what we want in the big picture. Keep a little card file with entries of victories like the one having the coff...

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That ending "progress is the handmaid of moderation" added a powerful nuance. Even though it's not about being quite as regularly systematic, I'll mention an online influencer I've looked at more than I like to admit who was a skinny guy who I think in his thirties spent one month eating a lot of pr...

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I hear you about having to control certain macro nutrients. But once you know truly what those foods are doing, it gets a lot harder to justify it at least for me. It’s such a different orientation than thinking about calories. In regards to your slim bf, the mystery to me isn’t why it’s hard for us...

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Although I’m actually kind of enjoying planning meals and tracking, I’m also a little bummed by how much I feel depends on my being able to control so many factors because the foods that are easily available prepared just don’t serve me anymore, even though I miss the enjoyment. But I think it is a ...

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I’ve been tracking a little over two weeks now. I actually didn’t think it had been that long. The changes of brought me back from the edge of real discomfort and some of my clothes. But as of now, it means I’m pretty much making all my own food close to scratch. Of course that’s actually recommende...

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I’m trying out some meals according to some of the principles I said before, including some limits to the amounts. Without looking for it, I had come across a calorie calculator that I was curious about and found that it claimed I needed a lot fewer than other online ones so I was testing out. The a...

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I like that you have the green face to reinforce success, but you just leave the other letters and black because there’s less drama, even though the traffic light idea is a good one. I’m pretty sure I have theory says you gush over the successes and you don’t give a lot of energy to the failures bey...

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I think it’s great that there was a time you weren’t posting because basically things were going well. It really is the goal for it to become natural. I said that, even though I’m still coming here and sometimes on the Facebook version even after 14 years. I guess I will until I don’t. Have a great ...

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May I suggest you take a few moments each day to remember why you chose this plan as the best way to achieve moderation and anticipate what situations and justifications might arise that lead to failure. Then think of reasons the justifications don’t really hold water in the face of what you want fo...

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How had you been doing between October and January? You had a full green week in January! February is kind of fun cuz it can be “perfect” in just the four weeks.

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I liked and followed a longevity researcher who is an advocate of low protein. There are a few of them out there, but I just feel with the muscle loss that I’ve had that it’s too risky. I am 4.7 g/ pound which right now would put me on 103 g when I was low protein I was purposely issuing most animal...

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Because of some issues that no ass alone was not able to change, I’ve been consulting some other site. One of them reinforce the idea of making only the small enough changes in the beginning to list at the beginning of good results. I think Reinhardt uses the term from Programming, premature optimiz...

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Because of some issues that no ass alone was not able to change, I’ve been consulting some other site. One of them reinforce the idea of making only the small enough changes in the beginning to list at the beginning of good results. I think Reinhardt uses the term from Programming, premature optimiz...

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The issue is that these food make it much harder to be satisfied with a moderate amount of food. They pumped us to take more and the work of one free brain surgery at least show that the body will actually accommodate higher weight when we eat food. You Reinhart have a Sense. These should play much ...

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I used to different website to determine my maintenance calories. It was rather shocking and disappointing, but also exaggerating. I’ve gone for testing for my body fat and also resting the table ism rate for several years. I used pretty sophisticated equipment. It’s consistently shown that I should...

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Having some success with A1c is nothing to sneeze at, esp without much weight loss! usually that is the most predictable correlation. I cut my carbs-nearly all true whole ones, nearly no flour- from 60% to 26% (because my A1c had actually been rising on a mostly plant based diet even with some weigh...

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Spain used to be a country which fit the concept of systematic moderation, though I'm not sure they adhered to 3 meals a day. But they have left what structure they had so much that their rate of diabetes 2 had increased 45% in two years! That is as much as was expected in the next 25 years. Their r...

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Thanks for responding on my thread. Go get those green days! Unsolicited advice: Sometimes what has helped me is thinking, have I ever been sorry I stuck to Green? I dilute any guilt about failures, but I do pay attention to how I feel physically after failures and do sometimes feel regret from feel...

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I'm shocked I haven't checked in for over six months. The mild weight gain after my previous trip to Europe has remained. I don't feel I am overeating and the thought of limiting myself much sounds daunting partly because I have lost my enthusiasm for creating meals with the right balance of fresh a...

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Hi, long time no see. If I may weigh in no pun intended on work food. I followed No S from 2010 until I retired at the end of 2018 (and more but I am talking about work situationsa). I found that I could usually accommodate the food offerings as long as I had them at my meal time. I occasionally too...

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Please do keep monitoring your lipids. The book sources you are referencing are very controversial. They state things as if they are fact but they are tentative conclusions. If your triglycerides or LDL-C rises even more, it is risky no matter what they say. And calories do matter! If it were an eff...

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Haven't been around in ages. I tend to eat whole grains, though there is some oat flakes in the cupboard, but nearly always have with protein these days. I don't mind powders, but today I mixed egg whites and some almond milk with whole oats, then semi-scrambled them with some Persian dish herbs. I ...

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This avoiding diabetes stuff is the pits! I admit that I feel kind of betrayed, but it was denial. I can't say my recent gain and rise in A1c wouldn't have happened if I had been exercising all these years, but lack of it is very likely to have contributed. But I don't feel I can just take the exerc...

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So, I drifted up into the pre diabetic range. I have changed meals a lot and can retested at the end of July. There is nothing anymore that feels to me like it leads to bingeing except eating certain foods. I do not believe that limiting foods does it anymore for me. It may have at one point but I'v...

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Gillian Riley was good reinforcement for me along the way. If I may, remember why you are choosing this WOE. Getting clear that the alternatives just aren't supportive for long term pleasure and vitality can really help, though you may have to remind yourself many times. I wrote a long list of benef...

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I don’t mean to toot my horn too much, but it isn’t just that I applied principles, but that I’ve actually gone through a coach training course that pulled together, so many elements took a lot of cobbling for me. Establishing motivation is a big part of the process, actually the major foundation. A...

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I see now you already know about Dr. Roy Taylor. I’ve heard him interviewed and I’m pretty sure he said something like that. His patients had to lose about 30 pounds but I find that so vague. Why do they say a certain number of pounds when people can start at such different weights? It would be more...

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I have to admit that I would be a little discouraged if I had lost two dress sizes, given up a lot of carbs, Added exercise, and was still in the pre-diabetic range. When I was worried about my blood sugar, I was spending a lot of time on all these sites where people were having such success. But fr...

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Thanks, WINhappy. I guess I’m checking in for a late quarterly post? I finished that whole course, which was about being absolutely against diet or any restrictions on food And really any attempt to change the size of the body with eating. I’m telling you, there’s a whole world of experts out there ...

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I hope you had a good March and are having a good April. I think you are so right that this is a rather natural way to deal with the ubiquitousness of food and nourish our bodies and spirits. When I look back on my childhood and teen years, I knew in my teen years, I fretted about my weight because ...

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Is no news good news, I hope? Even if not, you know, we welcome people with open arms.

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Honestly, honestly, From what I’ve been learning about repercussions after strict dieting, It’s almost to be expected that it would be hard to adopt moderation right off the bat. I know why you thought that Ohad would work because the voices of the few who make it can sound very loud because the tho...

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I’m assuming that last post was not an April fools one! Glad to see things are going going well.

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I understand your point. I just saw this actually. I agree that we can reach a point that takes us beyond those knee-jerk reactions because I think that’s what she’s talking about. There’s so much of our eating that is driven by unconscious forces and we come up with Reasons that seem more logical t...

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For people who come here desperate to lose weight, rather than to find a sustainable, enjoyable way to nourish themselves consistently, take a look at this. I’m not saying that it isn’t possible to lose weight, but it depends on a lot of factors. In the meantime, continually living at odds with our ...

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Wow, been almost two months. Here is something I posted on the main discussion board. I"m taking yet another course on the fine tuning of this dang "food" thing. The originator brought up an interesting idea to consider- or that's the way I would put it. She claims it as truth, and yes there is some...

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I"m taking yet another course on the fine tuning of this dang "food" thing. The originator brought up an interesting idea to consider- or that's the way I would put it. She claims it as truth, and yes there is some evidence, but I just don't believe it's the whole picture. Yet it's a useful idea for...

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Who knew before No S that we would think getting back to a routine with such limits would be a relief! Although I tended to stick pretty close to Vanilla even on vacations, since what I could have at meals was so generous. I had been a binge sweet eater and liked life so much better without them dur...

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Hi! I'm glad I dropped in on this because I am trying to get myself to do resistance work and hearing the stories here of how it's helped is good. I can walk long distances (even though I don't all the time) but I know that as I age- just turned 70- strength will really be a benefit that goes beyond...

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Hi! Even though I've had a lot of success with No S, I am still looking at the whole issue because I have other objectives now, so I have been looking at youtube at people preaching sustainability and they all emphasize that fat loss should be slow! For sustainability, fat loss, not weight loss, is ...

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Sorry to be a wet blanket but I hope you are not aiming for several pounds of fat to be gone in a few weeks; there is almost no way a person can lose 3 or 4 pounds of fat in a few weeks without huge calorie deficits or starting at a very high weight. Nearly all early weight loss is water from using ...

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Good God, I didn't see your August post until now. So sorry for those losses. Do you have the same username on Facebook? Forgive me if I have already communicated with you there and forgotten!

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I just noticed that I signed up in this community on Oct. 9 in 2008. So it's been 15 years. If I remember correctly, I had one green week before Thanksgiving and fell apart until the next summer (2009), also for about a week when I was at a workshop for teachers out of town with a dining hall. Didn'...

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Pizza gone. It was a brand called Freschetta and gotta say for my purposes- l love thick dough- it was the best pizza I've ever had, bar none. But Trader Joe's used to sell bread dough that was pretty good so I might get that and make my own on S days only, if they carry it. It would make a smaller ...

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Glad you got a good walk in! Eating seems to be humming along.

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Boy, don't I know it, ladybird. I've been at No S since 2010. I've gone through a few phases where the binge habit came back, though only once for long enough or intensely enough to cause a regain that got scary. That was back when I hadn't lost a whole lot. I never lost the desire to eat after stud...

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I know you haven't replied, so you may not be interested in what I have to say, but I have stumbled on the best complete source on long term weight loss I have ever seen, given that I have not lost my interest in the topic just because I had such good success with No S, so I've continued to look at ...

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Hi, been out of the loop for the most part since July. Nice progress! I asked before about why change your eating to eat less. What I really meant was why do you want to lose weight? I usually ask it in phrasing about changing eating because just about no one loses weight and maintains without rathe...

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Hi, LL. Well, I had some pasta just before I left England and it tripped a wire that I am still trying to recover from. I had some pizza and pasta the last week in Italy last year, and it didn't make a dent in my habits at home, but this year...I just can't get my meal program going again. And I've ...

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Hi, and belated welcome. Sorry to say you might have to put up with some weight gain coming off one meal a day. unless you were absolutely stuffing yourself at that meal. I've been watching to a series of videos by a weight loss "coach" named Coach Viva who is really knowledgeable about the entire p...

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I am by no means recommending fasting but just want to share from a fasting expert that he learned not to give himself permission to eat more after a fast. What he had or hadn't eat didn't really determine what a reasonable meal was. The old habit will make it seem very attractive to have a bigger m...

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Hi, and thanks for posting. It's nice to have the board still active. I so agree about having some kind of baseline eating in place, something to come back to for sanity, or from mods for whatever reasons. No S is so reasonable for that. Regarding giving in: I once read someone, who I think was quot...

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I'm doing my 5-day FMD. It actually feels kind of good to get quite hungry- which rarely happens anymore unless I eat a lot less- and then eat and realize I get full. It's also rather nice to have the whole day of food planned ahead. I've done even several days' planning when I've been trying to eat...

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Thanks re: what I'm doing with retirement. Though honestly, I still spend way too much time online. But I love communicating about this stuff and I don't know anyone in my daily life who wants to! Yes, normalizing big portions is an issue, and I would say it's becoming clear that all humans are subj...

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Hi! I discovered Guyenet years into No S and his work helped me let go a little more of ultra processed foods, which I took advantage of esp during lockdown. I stopped buying any of it. A glucose monitor helped, too. I go through phases but mostly they play an extremely small role in my life now mos...

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Was the program with the cgm with Zoe? I did that. It was interesting and led me to get my own finger-pricking monitor. It's been a journey. I decided to greatly decrease anything that took me much past 140-even some high fiber whole starches did that, so I cut them down-, though I found most things...

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Thank you, all! I'm back. If you get triggered by "diet" talk, skip this next paragraph. I'm doing a few days of a periodic fasting protocol partly because I shut down my fridge while I was gone and will again when I leave for a month in Europe on Aug. 10. I do not want to fill the fridge with more ...

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Moving more alone does not lead to weight loss but over time it is associated with improved appetite control and better glucose control, at least for T2d. I think watching carbs that keep spikes high for more than a couple of hours is a decent strategy. What will you replace them with? I was around ...

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Very true about the rationalizations. I have learned from my anti-binge coaching training that randomness is the major problem. Keeping it very strictly to S days (and possibly later mods) is so helpful to reduce the mental burden. Reinhard uses the metaphor of training a water buffalo. It doesn't g...

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Hoo boy, I have done fasting up the yin yang. I started experimenting with fasting mods of No S back in 2016. I did not enjoy any of the variations even though I got to a lower weight which I have mostly maintained. The last time was over a period of months using 3-week stints of TMAD, and it never ...

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Just dropping in to say hi! I am leaving on a trip soon so may not see any response. Onwards!

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Thanks, ladybird!

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If you keep this up, you will likely be astounded at how much sweet food (and drink) people think is necessary and pleasant. I am now at the point at which I pretty much look at it like a drug experience rather than "eating." Sugar doesn't have near the effect on the drug parts of the brain as heroi...

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If I may, regarding stuggling over lack of dessert on N days, please consider first rereading the chapter in the book on that, if you have it. IF not, or if that isn't enough I humbly suggest making a chart with three columns: one for what is so good about having daily dessert- be honest, some part ...

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It's easy to gain because evolutionarily, as someone hinted at, there is an advantage to gaining for the future when there would be an enforced "diet" of less food available. There is little evolutionary reason to allow for a lot of weight loss. In repeated famines, it's more likely to gain quickly ...

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Sorry, I just saw this. I don't remember what link I meant but this one has pertinent info. It might mean a period of more traditional calorie-cutting dieting, but IMO solving health conditions is what "diets" are for. For example, keto is life changing for epileptics; weight loss is just a side eff...

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I didn’t realize again that it had gone so long since I posted. Yeah I am continuing with my trainer. I definitely work harder there than I could make myself on my own. Some of those free weights and different things but also some machines that keep track of my progress. I am definitely stronger tha...

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been a little over six months. Is no news good news?

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Hi, Deb! Nice to see you again. I'm sorry to hear that that app which I bet starts with n and ends with m devolves to calorie counting. It sounded like it did have some decent information to reinforce new thinking and habits.

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OMgosh, I think I was close to your stats in my late 30's, and still went on to gain up to 55 lbs. with stress eating during my emotionally tumultuous career in middle age. I did very little traditional dieting then. If only I had understood about No S AND strength training (not the fat-hating body ...

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It's a totally non-No S strategy, but may I give you a link for a kind of rather radical (more about temporary calorie reduction than on severe limitation of carbs) but statistically effective strategy for reversing diabetes? It's based on the concept of each body having a fat threshold which I read...

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With all due respect, Paul Saladino's claims have been seriously questioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjL8wv2CXM4Y. https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-carnivore-code/ He's not even a carnivore anymore. But I also don't completely trust Dan Buettner anymore, either. I don't believe that...

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Saying hi to folks. Have I asked before if you have a weight loss goal? Your BMI is in the healthy range. I keep bouncing around right about the same place. I"m sure it's theoretically possible to stay lower, but for me, when I get down more, it often seems to demand an kind of vigilance that doesn'...

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Checking in. I browsed a bit. I saw that you said you never want to go back to your old way of eating. I can't claim that I never eat more bites than I need, but I don't worry about returning to my binge days, unless I get dementia and my caregivers are clueless. Not ever going back to the dependenc...

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Belated all-purpose spring good wishes! This is my third Peeps-et-al-less Easter. It's actually a relief not to dicker at all over buying discount candy after the holiday. I used to give myself relative free rein with dark chocolate as long as I kept to my limit of 10 grams of added sugar a day, any...

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Aw, dammit, I had a pretty long paragraph written and went move the cursor; it all disappeared. Suffice to say for now I broke down and bought a package from a personal trainer and so far, I am glad I did. Working WAY harder than I would on my own and have made progress just twice a week. I'm figuri...

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I'm glad you're pleased with your eating. I have gone through periods of not using strict No S. Sometimes things got a little out of hand, but only when I was doing fasting protocols where people kept saying to eat anything you want did I end up returning to bingeing. Some foods just trip the overea...

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How much weight do you want to lose? At your BMI, you might have to be a lot more precise to lose weight. So it might not be that you are doing it wrong, though being an "idiot," yours and Reinhard's word, probably affects things. I have to say that in my loss journey over two years, after the initi...

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What a nice Valentine's Day message!

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Sorry I don't know this: are you a tad uncomfortable with your weight or with not feeling like things are happening naturally enough?

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You don't necessarily have to go to a gym because the right bodyweight training can take you a pretty long ways, but the issue is it has to be intense either from heavy weight, or many repetitions. Neither will sound fun, but consider what could happen in a year, or five years, if the prediabetes is...

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Soprano, if you thought that resistance exercise could reverse the prediabetes, would you be more inclined to surrender? The more I read, the more I am surprised it isn't emphasized as much as avoiding spiking foods. So much insulin sensitivity, which we definitely want, is enmeshed in muscle and di...

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ladybird, I bet you hope her family has a good year even before 2923... :wink: Kathleen, I know you didn't ask for suggestions, but I ran across a woman doctor who apparently has done a lot of work on fasting with women. I thought you might appreciate some of her recommendations. She gives some good...

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Posting here for me in the process was pivotal, although it was a bit of another compulsion. But I just think our influences against pleasurable moderation are so insidious that it can take a lot of brainwashing to oppose it. And there's the internal influence of that reptilian brain that I was taug...

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Sounds very reasonable and in keeping with the concept of being systematic while allowing for some, shall we say, internal flexibility. Warmest wishes for 2023

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If you are eating low-satiety foods, it is not very likely your body will rebel against overeating, though it would be wonderful I am proved wrong. Neuro-researcher Stephan Guyenet says that the brain will actually accommodate eating more and a higher set point the more refined, low satiety foods we...

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Soprano, I tested with a manual monitor up the yin yang for a few months starting in the summer of 21. Then I did it only occasionally sometimes before and after, sometimes just after. After all this time, I decided I wanted to incorporate exercise and see what effect it had but I dreaded going back...

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Hi, Sinnie, I haven't been around for a long time, at least not visiting. I saw that you said you are looking for more peace around food. I also saw that you said you've been in the low 120's for years. I don't know how tall you are. Was your motivation here ever to lose? I also saw that you say you...

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Regarding putting orderly eating before weight loss: hear, hear! As Reinhard has said, if you do something that ends up not being sustainable, you might as well not even start. Losing the weight just for its own sake just isn't natural. I think it's more natural to feel that there is something off a...

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As you know, I believe making weight loss the focus without a real belief that that is essential for a pressing health concern is often counterproductive. I have said before when I started, I suspected I would lose eventually, but it mattered way less than taming the compulsive overeating. I just ke...

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