Everyday Systems

milliem

Woah how did it get to Thursday already!! Tuesday 18th September: Day 16 Lunch - as Monday Dinner - Homemade pulled pork pizza Wednesday 19th September: Day 17 Lunch - as Monday (strawberries instead of blueberries :)) Dinner - beef, broccoli and cauliflower stir fry Did C25k week 2 day 2 - felt loa...

milliem

This does sound frustrating. Something I have found helpful when struggling to get back on track after a holiday or similar is to make meals generous. Once I am back in the habit of having three meals a day, reducing quantities again is easier. That's something I do too - allow larger or more heape...

milliem

Have to agree with nosnos here Kathleen! Fasting, I think, is the next step in my becoming thin, but I need to get through this one first. I have to stabilize with No S and then add fasting NoS is a journey that will take more than three weeks to stabilise. I know it's tempting, but try allowing you...

milliem

Saturday 15th & Sunday 16th September: S days Not horrible, not great. I had a half idea in my head of just having one or two treats over the weekend but it didn't exactly work out that way :) Oh well, can't fail an S day! Monday 17th September: Day 15 Lunch: prawn mayo roll, blueberries, yoghurt, ...

milliem

I think you are making it a lot harder than it needs to be :) You can eat breakfast, lunch, dinner or just lunch, dinner or brunch, late lunch, supper, or whatever combination of meals you like. In fact there's nothing to say you have to eat the same amount of meals at the same time every single day...

milliem

Friday 14th September: Day 12 Lunch: cheese and onion roll, green pepper Afternoon: cheese and onion roll Dinner: leftover sweet and sour chicken, chips I've felt a bit funny all day, bordering on dizzy. Went for a long walk instead of a run (about 3 miles), hoping I'll feel better tomorrow and can...

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nosnos, I really felt panic yesterday morning. It was short sighted. Thanks for your reassuring note. Kathleen Your scale showed you gained 0.4 pounds in a week - that's absolutely negligible, you might fluctuate more than that every single day depending on exactly what you eat, drink and the time!...

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I've heard that before - I definitely agree that being a healthy weight is better than being an unhealthy weight though!! I think that's why weight training/resistance exercise is recommended as exercise when losing weight, it's the most effective way of building muscle so when you do lose fat, ther...

milliem

Just wanted to pop in and say that you are still doing brilliantly! I agree that Friday is a fab weigh in day, you get a weeks benefit of N days :lol: Plus if, like me, you eat more salty/fatty/sugary/carby foods on S days, the water weight you might be carrying early in the week is likely to be red...

milliem

Wednesday 12th September: Day 10 lunch: chicken roll, cherries, greek yoghurt dinner: butternut squash pasta with tomato sauce post-cinema: cheese pastry twist Busy day yesterday! Did another run - went a little faster than the last couple which damn near killed me hehe, I need to take it easy! Fun...

milliem

Tuesday 11th September: Day 9 Lunch: chicken roll, edamame beans, crisps Dinner: homemade pizza So far so good, although I'm struggling to keep to my goal of having half a plate of veg at my meals! I need to plan more... at the moment I'm trying to use up what's in my scupboards/fridge/freezer and ...

milliem

I always follow the 'would this count as a dessert?' question when figuring out if something is a sweet or not. A glass of milk gently sweetened? Probably not. A milkshake made with 2 scoops of vanilla ice cream? Uh... probably :) I also try and follow my planned eating for the day. If I planned fou...

milliem

I don't think it's necessarily an 'either/or' between goal setting for behaviours or targets. Setting your heart on a specific weight which may or may not be reasonable is a dangerous game to play! Especially once you realise that weight can fluctuate by pounds every day depending what you ate and a...

milliem

Sunday 9th September: Day 7 Breakfast - toast with marmalade Lunch - butternut squash ravioli with tomato sauce Dinner - fish pie, sugar snap peas Snacks - a handful of peanut fudge, a small handful of jerky, chocolate bar Not too bad an S day considering! Monday 10th September: day 8 Lunch - chick...

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Congratulations!

milliem

Saturday 8th September - Day 6 Breakfast - toast, poached eggs, juice Lunch: battered cod, peas and chips Dinner: 5 course extravaganza day 2 :) Had a lovely weekend with my family, and barely had anything between meals. I had a couple of chocolate covered pretzels that my OH was eating to see what...

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I'm not a big nibbler generally - I don't tend to nibble food while I cook or grab things on the go. As it's not one of my real problem eating behaviours I'm pretty relaxed if I want to taste a teaspoon of sauce to see if it's ok, or a taste of something to see if I like it. I figure if I stop at th...

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Kathleen, just wanted to stop by and say how pleased I am for you that you are settling into a NoS routine :) Something that worked for me when I wanted to track my weight but not be put off by the inevitable up-down of it all, was using physicsdiet.com. You enter your weight every day, and it track...

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Snapdragon - from your signature your weight is similar to mine, if I can do it anyone can!! :) At the moment running isn't exactly easy, but I'm really looking forward to improving. I know when I was doing weight training consistently I felt more motivated to eat well, so I'm hoping running will be...

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Hey Portia, you're doing really well for your first couple of weeks! Don't panic about S days at the moment, keep building those N day habits :) A lot of people do say that S days calm down on their own - and they may well. If they don't, there are a ton of tweaks and mods that you can make later do...

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Thanks Roxy! Wednesday 5th September - Day 3 lunch - bagel with hummus, a red pepper afternoon - 3 slices (w/o crusts) leftover pizza dinner - pulled pork roll + popcorn Funny stuff - I wasn't sure how filling the pulled pork roll would be (it fit on a small side plate with plenty of room) and I did...

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Hey Roxy, thanks for stopping by my new thread

I've just read the past couple of pages of updates here and I wanted to say a huge well done! You've done an amazing job in the last couple of months!! You sound so sane and relaxed about how things are going for you

milliem

We ordered a pizza in, and I compromised by ordering a vegetable pizza

I did manage to stop at 4 slices (a plate's worth), so I don't feel too bad about it!

milliem

Not really! I've been doing NoS on and off (off for about 2 months... :oops:) for well over a year now, but I still think a lot about food. I love cooking, experimenting with new foods and eating, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to not think about food! We'll see though, I'm not yet in a position whe...

milliem

snapdragon wrote:Hi Liz and Tobias mom

Coming off a five day binge.....feel like I can never get over this. Gah.

You can get over this! Every day on habit is a step forward, even if there's not so great days in between

I loved reading your meals - they sounded so fresh and tasty!

milliem

Hey snapdragon and sophielara - nice to know it's not just me! :) I'm reading the book a chapter a day so far, just trying to get into the swing of things. I'm going to keep a running record of green/red/S days in the first post I think, it'll remind me to look back over my reasons for losing weight...

milliem

Monday 3rd September - Day 1

Lunch: bagel with hummus, greek yoghurt, cherries
Dinner: pulled pork roll, salad

So far so good - 2 meals so far today, and I'm still pretty full from dinner. No sweets or snacks in the house which is definitely a good thing!!

milliem

Wow I can't believe how long it's been since I paid attention here. I've had a busy couple of months and my diet has... backslid. Well, been abandoned more or less! I'm ready to re-commit and get back into the NoS way though :) I've stayed aware of NoS for the last couple of months, but keep making ...

milliem

Ah that's why I love hula hoops too

Just a brief check-in to say that I'm pretty off plan this week, but am moving house so am cutting myself a bit of a break

I'll be back next week (as soon as my net connection is up and running anyway!)

milliem

Friday 22nd was another red day. A small-ish fail - an ice cream and packet of hula hoops at the cinema. Saturday 23rd and Sunday 24th - S days. I had a nice lunch yesterday which was a big bowlful of various green veggies and some chicken which was nice and filling. A good idea for work lunches I t...

milliem

Thursday 21st June - red day A magnum ice cream after dinner. No excuses there really, just gave in to temptation! Today I planned a larger lunchtime meal but ended up not eating my apple because it was mushy and bruised (yuck) and forgot to eat my yoghurt! I'm going to sit down and plan some luncht...

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Wednesday 20th June - red day The fail was a bag of crisps and some chocolate after dinner. I think I've been setting myself up for failure by just not eating enough during the day. After my nice dinner of fish, vegetables and potato waffle I realised I could still feel some hunger. Out of curiosity...

milliem

I know what you mean, sometimes it would be easier if I never ate them, maybe I'd forget what sweet things tasted like and wouldn't miss them... I don't really want a lot of S's. Or I don't think I do, but then I wonder whether my idea of a reasonable amount of sweets and snacks to eat per week is a...

milliem

it's like we want to make S days something beyond description, some wonderful fairy land of awesome food that make all the troubles go away. Hee this made me giggle :D If only S days were like that!! Part of my problem is that I really like sweet, fatty, salty and unhealthy foods . I like the taste...

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I was genuinely hungry at least a couple of the days. I don't eat breakfast, and sometimes have a third small meal in the afternoon to keep me from not eating enough and getting too hungry before or after dinner. Sometimes I don't have a third meal though (for example yesterday I didn't) and I think...

milliem

Hmm i think I've been NoS avoiding! Not a good sign :) I had a terrible week last week - an entire week of red . I don't think I've ever had that since I started... Monday - Thursday were single event failures (a sweet after dinner, a second portion - nothing major). I'm not sure what went wrong but...

milliem

I'm not a salad person either, but I have recently found the joy that is oven roasted vegetables! I'll stick anything in the oven with a bit of olive oil and it'll be delicious eaten hot or cold! Helps me up my vegetable intake without trying to force down salad that I don't really like :) I mainly ...

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I'm a simple person and have somehow over-complicated the No-S thing. Going back to Vanilla. I'd rather have 2 crazy S days than quite a few crazy N days and S days. That sounds like a good decision for you :) Reinhard always says that N days should be close to fully compliant before fiddling with ...

milliem

Thanks Amy

Friday was also green

milliem

Sorry to hear you had a rough day Liz! NoS is a diet of moderation which can work really well as it doesn't enforce obsessive and unsustainable counting or tracking etc. However, it involves a lot of freedom and that won't work for everyone. You will know better than anyone else what works for you -...

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I'm going to be honest - no. I still eat 'junk' food and I haven't lost an awful lot of weight on NoS, although I have lost a bit (maybe 5-6 pounds, to get to a healthy weight I need to lose another 20 or so) for a sustained period. I regularly eat fresh, home cooked meals with a good portion of veg...

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Wow I almost forgot it's Thursday already...

Wednesday 7th & Thursday 8th June were both green days

milliem

Oof busy week! Monday 4th and Tuesday 5th May were S days (sort of). I had 'festivities' planned for the Jubilee weekend, so had S events throughout both days, but I made an effort not to permasnack both days... Monday: - english muffin for brunch - one plate of savoury, 1.5 (small) plates of desser...

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Nice to see you back Who Me, that chick is adorable!

I'm not religious at all either but whatever helps someone else is their business, to each their own and all that

I never noticed anyone forcing their religion on others but then again I tend to skim over the religious parts of posts

milliem

Sunday 3rd June was an S day . Breakfast: none Lunch: chicken sausages, asparagus, hash browns - 2 chocolate bars afterwards. Snack: A couple of crisps that OH offered Dinner: pizza Snacked on about 3 or 4 little brownie squares in the evening that we baked for a party today. Yesterday didn't feel t...

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I can't really tell if my S days were moderate or not! Hmm. What does that say about me?? Maybe just that I'm still learning :) Well I didn't permasnack like I did the previous weekend, so that's something. Saturday was two meals (one large and multi-course) and a few bites of sweets in the evening,...

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It was delicious Indian food, a new restaurant in town that's won lots of awards already! Yum :) I got home at about 8.30pm after dinner - ate a couple of small pieces of chocolate that my OH was eating and had a 'sherbet dip' (impulse childhood-memory purchase :lol:) and that was me done for the ev...

milliem

If you take up more intense exercise and genuinely need the calories (a lot of people overestimate the amount of calories exercise burns) then you could switch to four meals a day on an exercise day rather than three for example. NoS isn't strict about that, it's whatever works for you - within reas...

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Just wanted to say thanks for your encouragement on my and many other threads oolala

I eat 2 meals per day quite a lot - I never eat breakfast and often don't have time or inclination for a third mid-afternoon meal.

I'm with you on the not wanting to clean too haha

milliem

Fortunately I find myself not too bad at moving on from a failure - I didn't eat anything else after the cookie. I have had a mod previously about being able to eat with friends, but only when they offer or bring home cooked delicious treats and this cookie was shop bought so I didn't count it :) To...

milliem

7lb is an amazing loss for 2 months, well done!!

Good luck experimenting with S days, let us know how it's going

milliem

Hey Roxy, I totally understand the frustration of not losing - I'm in exactly the same place as you! Although I've been logging my daily weight on physicsdiet.com, and it tells me that over the course of a month I've had a weekly loss of 0.03 pounds :D I'm chuffed haha, at least it's a start!! :D 8)...

milliem

Friday 1st June - red

So much for a green June!

I had a chocolate chip cookie with friends after dinner.

milliem

Thursday 31st May was a red day.

I went out for some drinks after work (unusual for a Thursday but we all have tomorrow off as a bank holiday) and cocktails led to bad decision making!

Post drink food:
- 1 'fudge' chocolate bar
- 1 individual chocolate dessert pot

milliem

I had to google sedition! I was giving my own experience of what helps me, nothing more. Sure, NoS isn't for everyone but it didn't seem that it would help that much to say 'well do whatever you fancy, maybe this isn't going to work for you'.

milliem

NoS isn't no sugar, it's no 'sweets' (generally defined by anything that you might choose as dessert or where sugar is the main ingredient). I know lots of cereals have sugar in them so it's probably better to avoid them but perhaps not essential. You can often get low or no sugar versions of cereal...

milliem

Glad you are feeling better today

You're probably right, it's not that important why you wobbled - what's way more important is that you got through it! Well done!

milliem

Tuesday 29th May was a green day

3 meals yesterday.

Wednesday 30th May is also a green day

2 meals today - one was sushi (I 'virtual plated' somewhat successfully, but I always find it hard to figure out what of the little strips of fish and rice would fit on one large plate!!)

milliem

I read through the 'what the hell' podcast transcript yesterday and had some interesting thoughts. I think for me this kind of thinking is only really present on S days - I think 'what the hell, it's an S day so I can eat what I want right?!' Usually as I load that extra cake or bar of chocolate int...

milliem

What I always remind myself of during a bad day is what is the alternative? If I don't do NoS the likelihood is I won't do anything at all! I'd much rather be following NoS and have the odd day where I eat more than I planned than just eat randomly (and usually excessively) every day of the week! Fo...

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Well done on the green day Liz, it can be hard to get back on that wagon sometimes!

Keep working out those mental muscles

milliem

Monday 28th May - green day.

Only 2 meals yesterday but felt ok, not much hunger. The hot weather is leading to nice big salads for lunch and I think they are filling me up nicely - making sure I have lots of lovely protein in them of course

milliem

I was just thinking about this thread the other day! I am definitely in the 'S day problem' gang... ok my N days aren't perfect but generally any fails are small and contained. It's the unrestricted S day eating that is causing the damage in terms of seeing any real impact on my weight! I know Reinh...

milliem

Woah woah don't panic! Ok you had two red days, ya know, that's ok, it happens. You're worried because you had a red day but didn't binge?! One of the very best things about NoS is that having a red day doesn't mean you have to give up. You can sit down and try and figure out what happened, or not, ...

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Urgh well that was not a good weekend! Friday 25th May was a red day - went ok until the evening and then just threw NoS out of the water and ate. Can't remember what exactly now (I think ice cream was involved...) but it wasn't a 'one item' fail that's for certain. Saturday and Sunday were S days t...

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I did exactly the same thing last night! My OH had bought some pringles in some weird new flavour, and kept offering me some. I managed to resist but left a little space on my dinner plate to try a few

They were ok but so not worth having a red day for...

milliem

Hey Roxy, sorry to hear you are having a tough time at the moment, those changes in routine are so hard! I'm the same, whenever I work from home instead of in the office, my mind just goes immediately to grazing all day rather than sticking to one lunchtime meal as I would always do. I've definitely...

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Ah the days when you think you probably could fail but then don't are just the best!! Shows that even when hunger strikes or routine is messed up or something stressful happens, it IS possible to stick with NoS

milliem

Sounds like a great idea for a mod

Well done on the continuing green days, and for sticking with it even when things don't go to plan!

milliem

Wednesday 23rd May was a green day

Didn't feel too hard although I felt slightly hungry in the evening. I'm also experimenting with avoiding diet drinks - sticking to water and milk for the moment, with the odd diluted cordial/juice and cups of tea in work.

milliem

I eat "weird" thigns too sometimes, but I think eating what you want will keep you from binging if that makes sense :) Oh absolutely, the freedom of knowing that I can (within a few simple rules) eat what I like has definitely helped me stay with NoS for over a year! Of course the downside is that ...

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Sounds like you had a great weekend, well done!

milliem

Actually, it was one glass of wine and two 'strawberry and lime' ciders, yum! I love Swedish fruit ciders. Sunday 20th May was another S day . Breakfast (post workout): half a 'ribsteak' sandwich, vanilla milkshake Lunch: roast pork dinner - one plate Afternoon: chocolate bar, single ice cream Dinne...

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Hi Irisha, so sorry to hear you are going through a rough time right now! I guess there's no 'perfect' time to start a diet. One of the good things about NoS is that it provides an easy structure, so there are less annoying choices to make on a daily basis about when and what to eat - that could be ...

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Welcome back Roxy!

Hey I reckon maintaining over a vacation is a definite success!!

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Welcome back oolala, sounds like you had a good holiday! Even if you want more control over your S days, remember you have already made brilliant steps doing NoS as is - your signature proves it! I definitely agree that for some people, zero controls on S days can be difficult. Looking forward to se...

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I know what you mean oolala - if I fall into a pattern of having a few fails even if small ones (especially if sweet rather than savoury items are my downfall) I am more likely to keep having fails! I do reckon that the less sweet stuff I eat overall, the less I crave it. Saturday 19th May: S day lu...

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Thanks Amy - oh yes definitely! Although I know that if there had been sweet things in the house within easy reach I probably would have gone for them... good thing I try not to keep such things around!

Friday 18th May was a green day.

milliem

When I started I didn't count drinks at all - even fizzy drinks that were full of sugar. I know that Reinhard advises that drinks full of sugar count as a sweet and I agree, but I figured that setting up the habits of not EATING sweets on a daily basis was more important than what I was drinking. I ...

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Spoke too soon.... Thursday 17th May was a red day (due to a handful of pringles after dinner). It might have turned into more except I realised my OH had eaten all the ice cream! So far so good today, but I'm feeling extremely tired (and was very hungry when I got back from work) so I'm not convinc...

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Phew busy week! I've been on training for the last few days, so have been following my general 'away from home' NoS mods - NoS structure, but allowed a sweet per day. On those rules Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday were all green days ! Today should also be a green day assuming the evening goes well, a...

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So another weekend has come and gone, and again...I blew it! I do well during the week as a rule, and I seem to do okay (not great but okay) on Saturdays. But Sundays...oh my goodness! I just don't have a handle on that yet at all! When I first started this lifestyle last month, my goal was to lose...

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That's a new way to look at calorie counting! I saw a really interesting programme last night about 'Secret Eating' that really highlighted how much people underestimate what they eat in a day if they are constantly picking and snacking. One woman thought she was having about 1200/day which might ha...

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I often take 'S events/meals' rather than 'S days' for non-weekend S days. That means that I can relax and eat what I like at that event or meal, but not for the rest of the day willy nilly. After all, if I'm taking an S day to go out for a nice birthday meal with my family where I want to be able t...

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I generally go by the 'would this count as a dessert' rule, but also if sugar is one of the main (say first or second) ingredients in whatever it is. So an english muffin is fine, but a blueberry muffin with a load of sugar in it isn't. Homemade pancakes where I haven't used sugar are fine, shop bou...

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What I love about that post is the way you have really honestly thought about why you binged and what you could do differently - brilliant! It's interesting how we can panic when we don't have food at the 'right time'. There were only two hours between your possible meal times but one was 'too early...

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Sorry to hear you've been having a tough time Amy! You sound really determined to stick to your new habits though which is great

Keep at it! Hope you are having a good Friday.

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Hi Amy I do find it very useful for looking at trends, I mainly want to see how much 'damage' I am doing by having uncontrolled S days! Mind you I've never been one to have an extreme reaction to my weight anyway, luckily I've never placed my self esteem or how I eat that day on the number that show...

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Brilliant sarahkay - it's really something to learn to eat when you are hungry and not out of habit! Plus, hunger isn't an immediate problem for us - we can wait half an hour or even longer and everything will be ok

p.s. I love the hunger games books too, how are you finding it?

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Thanks for the link nosnacker! :) I've been on a training course for a couple of days - always difficult as I can't choose what I eat exactly, and there are biscuits and cakes and all sorts of goodies thrown at us at every break. Wednesday 9th May was a green day (I had a dessert after dinner, but a...

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Doh, I realised I got my dates out of whack! So anyway, Monday 7th May was a green day. It was a bit of a struggle, I was sorely tempted to eat chocolate after dinner and felt pretty hungry but managed to ignore the nagging little urges. Today seems to be a little easier, it's nearly 8pm already and...

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Ooh did you make that chicken curry? I'm making one today! It's a recipe from http://resourcefulcook.com/ for chicken and coconut curry - it has tomatoes and coconut milk which gives it that creamy red sauce :) I did opt for low fat coconut milk and swapped the potatoes for courgettes though... we'l...

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Fab job on the green day, well done!!

milliem

PS. Perhaps the anxiety has to be waited out? I know in dealing with OCD, my therapist discussed waiting for anxiety to pass. It will peak, and it will be terrible, but it will come down. It HAS TO come down. This anxiety won't be that intense... maybe at the most extreme a 6 or 7 on a 1-10 scale? ...

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Hi Sarah, just wanted to pop in and say well done for sticking with NoS even if it is tough for you right now! I also have an OH who eats all the time because he can, and it's frustrating sometimes! I guess it's important to remember that people are different, and we need to do what helps us :) If y...

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Well I didn't snack on chocolate on Saturday :) In fact I still have an entire Lindt bunny from Easter sitting unopened! Never happened before... I think I'm finally learning that I don't have to eat all weekend! Sunday 7th May - S day Another OK day for eating. I exercised in the morning and then d...

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I had the exact same thought yesterday!! After dinner I was thinking 'hmm this is my last chance to get a treat in, I should really have something' and was tempted to eat a small dessert that I had bought for the weekend. But, I really wasn't hungry, and the dessert will keep. So I kept telling myse...

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Saturday 6th May - S day. I've eaten fairly well today for an S day, although am currently trying to resist the temptation to scarf down chocolate. I'm not hungry at all, so although I know I could eat it and part of me would like to, I think I'd regret it. Breakfast - malt loaf w/butter Lunch - chi...

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I feel sorry for anyone who feels disgusted with themselves because they look like me. In fact, I feel sorry for anyone who feels consistently disgusted with themselves when they look in the mirror, no matter how big (or small) they are. Totally agree! I think there has to be a balance between acce...

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Hey there's nothing wrong with having a bum and belly - even at a healthy weight most women will have curves somewhere

In fact that's why I love doing squats when I exercise - build those glutes and make sure I don't have a flat ass!

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