Maybe I'm just an obsessive compulsive thinker...Brain stop please
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Thanks for this...I believe you are right...it all started with starving (diet pills) to lose weight, counting points to counting calories to giving up from the mental exhaustion...a never ending job...so this sounds the most logical..the obsession will die down over time..my goal here is to be normal with food and not diets.Helenaz123 wrote:Maybe it's because other diets we have been on we are so used to obsessing that we are subconsciously wanting to obsess about this one to.
Thanks for the feedback, especially the car scenario...I'm trying to follow eating lower glycemic foods which no calorie counting involved thankfully..as for the shame, I can say a couple of my plates did bring a little on..Jethro wrote:To me NOS is like learning to drive. At first you have to be very conscious about everything, but once you do it x number of times, it becomes automatic.
The second battle - the hardest one IMHO - is to manage what you eat at the three meals, based on whatever criteria you are using, to create a calorie deficit yet not feel hungry and get used to eating "normal" for you.
Hopefully, as Reinhard said, shame will eventually prevent you from piling on more food that you really need on a normal plate. Otherwise, you may have to reduce your plates to espresso coffee saucers.
To me the word diet brings negative connotations. It brings images of hunger, deprivation, suffering etc.Dhack wrote:Yes, Jethro, YES!! I agree 100%. I'm right there... I've got the 3-a-day thing going fine but trying to lose with out "dieting."
Let's make something clear. As far as NOS is concerned I'm a follower. I have not made any mods. I follow pure vainilla NOS and glass ceiling, as much as I can. I don't claim to be perfect but neither is anyone else.oolala53 wrote:With all due respect, and even knowing what Reinhard says about shame, I submit that shame for those with eating disorders is a poor motivation for long term maintenance. Many heavy people already feel a tremendous amount of shame regarding their eating and their bodies but do not reduce their eating permanently. In fact, the shame has been found ti increase eating and weight.
I still say that the sense of hunger and satiety can be used for most-not all, as some people really do have little sense of either- to direct the amount of food they eat off their plate. But even that can be used against yourself incorrectly. Feeling shame for getting too full often slows down the process of detaching from overeating. Paradoxical but true.
I'm reading a book just right now on dealing with anxious thoughts. I still think about No S a fair amount during the day, but that doesn't bother me as much as other topics. The book is telling me something I already knew but didn't realize I wasn't doing. It says basically make room for all thoughts, but don't let them direct your behavior unless they are useful for what you really want to accomplish. The author admits it takes practice and has a lot of ways to work with thoughts so that you can have even disturbing ones but still go on with the activities of your day. The writer is a doctor who says the anxious thoughts he used to have a great deal of about his competence still appear even years later, but he just doesn't give them much value. He just keeps doing his work, and staying involved with the things he wants to be.
It dovetails what I said on another thread: what will we do with our time when we are not eating or being preoccupied with eating? What else is there to think about and do?
Deb, I actually have some other thoughts on this and OCD. I'll write you about it later. I think we could both use it to practice.
I think this is why I never used HabitCal and the Daily Check-In until I'd been here for seven years (I don't use it for the purpose it is intended). For me, using either of those would have made this a "diet."NoSnacker wrote:K, I was wondering how long does it takes to stop thinking of No S all day..kind of feels like I'm on a diet...I'm almost done with the book and I'm on two sites..thinking No S ALL day long, among others things as well.
No offense taken.oolala53 wrote:Didn't mean to offend.I am on your side with regard to being a faithful and expressive fan of No S, Jethro!
And yes, I did suggest a long time ago to Reinhard that he consider teaming with someone from the world of eating disorders to have a version of the book specifically for compulsive eaters/bingers for whom some of the original text would not be helpful. I think it would be a brilliant addition to the canon. I'm guessing he's more interested in habit theory as it applies to more issues, since he told us once on the boards that he had been approached about another book on that. He admitted he never was an emotional eater, so it's understandable why it's not his focus.
But I was responding to the topic of the thread, which was about obsessive thinking about dieting, which is an aspect of eating disorders. I should have directed my comment to Nosnacker specifically. Sorry for the confusion.
Unless requested, I'll send my sources regarding shame to Deb privately.
wosnes wrote:Hi, this is my 3rd attempt, and mmmm, you might be on to something..I saw a sea of red piling on in the past 2 attempts that mentally I could not handle, in part because I'm a perfectionist, I see things in black or white..which of course I'm working on because I'm human and can't be perfect in all that I do. I am also a list keeperNoSnacker wrote:I think this is why I never used HabitCal and the Daily Check-In until I'd been here for seven years (I don't use it for the purpose it is intended). For me, using either of those would have made this a "diet."
I do love the habitcal, kind of like a report card...mmmm more to ponder.
If I find that it is causing me stress I'll abandon until I'm stronger...
Thanks everyone for caring enough to post..I'm sure not only are you helping me but others as well.
Group Hug!!
This is good news Linda...I can feel after 3 weeks it is starting to taper off..but I do feel I want to be on the boards more than I probably need to, but then again if not for others like you encouraging it might be harder to get by..thanksss...Lpearlmom wrote:No more blah feeling now & no more overthinking my eating. This way of eating feels automatic & natural now although my S days are still difficult for me so probably obsess more about my eating on those days. Anyway hope that helps some & good luck!Linda
Ya, I did not that long ago....sounds interesting Brain Over Binge...might see if available as kindle version...yup on Amazon for $8.99...I'll have to read the reviews.oolala53 wrote:Deb, online encouragement has been shown to be very helpful in getting people over bumps. If it takes several months, so what?
Hey, did you read Christa's blog (on Spark) on the book Brain Over Binge?
That is so strange,,,,she has to accept you as a friend to open her sparkpage...BUT it is strange because I did read somewhere about the book "brain over binge" just yesterday..oolala53 wrote:Here's her sparkpage: http://www.sparkpeople.com/mypage.asp?id=CHRISTASP