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newbie here, tons of questions
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:56 pm
by likefrogs
hello, first of all congratulations to reinhard for his hard work and success, and to all the wondeful folks here who have done so well, I hope to be a success also. learned of this program from a friend yesterday and am ready to dive in today. big question about mixed food, like for instance, spaghetti and breadstick is a given, what will fit int he center of my dinner plate, BUT what about a salad. does it have to fit in the plate also or can you have a bowl for that? and what about soups, how do you manage a bowl of chili.. i'm guessing if I dug far enough into the threads I'd find the answer, but if anyone has it, i'd like to know, again congrats to all, and keep up the good work, God bless.... ~Teresa~

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:03 pm
by NoelFigart
Don't overthink it.
You are allowed to eat as much as fits on one plate. That means you put the salad on the plate.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:08 pm
by likefrogs
lol ME over think anything HA< you've got to be kidding... you hit the nail on the head I overthinkg everything, thanks for the advice, i'll fit that bowl on that plate..... have a great day
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:18 pm
by reinhard
Welcome, likefrogs!
Here's a couple of quotes from the book (pages 88-90) to answer your question (lots more good stuff like this in the book, wink wink nudge nudge

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Virtual Plates
Sometimes, mostly for social reasons, it isn't possible to fit your entire meal on a single physical plate. Maybe you're at a buffet that has tiny, appetizer-size plates; maybe you're at some kind of banquet where multiple courses are being served; maybe you're at a restaurant where they bring out a separate salad before the entree; maybe you've been invited over to dinner at a friend's house and you don't want to be a demanding guest. For these situations, there's an advanced No S Diet maneuver called "virtual plating" that makes it possible to retain some of the moderating power and integrity of the no seconds rule without offending anyone or making a scene.
It works like this: Instead of relying on a physical plate, you imagine a regular-size plate and use that as your limit. As long as what you're eating could fit on your imaginary plate, you're okay. If possible, I would suggest making this as concrete as possible by clearing out an area of your physical plate to make room to visually accommodate your next fractional portion.
Virtual plating is an advanced maneuver, and I would recommend saving it for unusual situations like buffets and parties. If it's a celebration, it might be preferable simply to call it an S day (a special day) or even just to chalk it up as a one-time-only failure. You don't want to run the risk of normalizing virtual plating. It's a way to technically bend the rules when you'd otherwise have to break them and it's still not ideal. There is a lot of potential for self-deception and abuse, and habit is never going to understand something this complicated.
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What About Salad?
Salad can go on your main plate. Really, try to do this; it keeps things simpler. If you must eat salad on a separate plate, leave a corresponding void in your main plate, as described above in the "virtual plates" section.
What About Soup?
Soup can confound the clarity of No S a bit; it's certainly a mainstream, normal, and acceptable component of the everyday meal and is not something it would be fair to restrict to S days. And yet it often involves an extra plate.
But with a modicum of attention you can pull it off without much trouble. Here's how: (1) If the soup is hearty, have a hunk of bread with it and call it a meal. (2) Or use a smaller dinner plate to compensate for the soup if it is only part of the meal (this is a form of virtual plating). I've done both, but I usually do the first. I eat plenty of soup.
thanks
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:28 pm
by likefrogs
Thank you Reinhard and so nice meeting you. UMMMM... hence the hint.. hint hint hint, if the book is not at borders today when I go, it WILL be in the mail from Amazon..lol.. hint taken..lol.. silly man... thanks for the help, makes sense to me, and your the man who perfected this thing... going to have my first S breakfast, lets see how it goes.... U DA MAN !!!!
Smart move
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:38 am
by Jamiebf
You'll love the book. It was fun to read and so very helpful. I am new as well just completed my first week and I have never felt so free from the way food controled me.

I can enjoy my meals now and not feel guilty anymore. Good luck to you
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:47 pm
by mypalval
wow, I thought I started the program yesterday but I guess I didn't quite get it...I considered my plate to be the tray everything was sitting on I guess..soup, sandwich, carrots, pickles etc etc. I have a questions about meal times..A lot of times I don't eat breakfast (bad I know) so yesterday since I didn't have breakfast I had and apple and some nuts in the evening while watching Boston Legal and called it my third meal instead of a snack..is that cheating? I'll check out amazon.com for the book to get more details. sounds like a sensable plan..hope it works for me