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Newby Help -I work shifts

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:52 pm
by noIamNOTpregnant
Hi,
I'm interested in starting this habit as it seems like it would suit me in theory. However, I think I may have some logistical issues.
I'll try and give a brief outline of my situation, any ideas on how to still do the NoS would be most welcome! What's tripping me up the most is trying to figure out when my s-days should be and also how I can get by without snacking and also how to get my meals to become more regularly spaced out and not change much on a daily basis, regardless of shift pattern. So this is me:-

1)I'm 30, female, not officially overweight (BMI-wise) but have always had some extra fat around the torso which I'd like to get rid of both for appearance and health sake.
2)I go to the gym (as often as I can manage) and do a fair bit of walking (no car)
3)I work 3 days for 10 hours a day with a half hour break and then get 3 days off. My timetable varies per 3 day shift and could be any 10hr period between 4am and midnight.
4)I try and bring my own food to work as far as possible.
5)I mostly eat not too unhealthily but don't deny myself a few sweets and snacks on a daily basis.

Any tips? Also sorry if this is covered elsewhere, couldn't seem to find any threads where people had changeable s-days

Thanks! :D

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:29 pm
by milliem
A few people have tried 'floating' S days to fit around whatever works for them, with some success. I guess the N day/S day split makes sense for people who work weekdays on a regular schedule, but it won't work for everyone. I think as long as you set some boundaries/rules and stick by them it's not a disaster if your S days aren't the same each week!

On a similar note, if you still follow the rules of 3 meals and no seconds/snacks/sweets, it doesn't really matter when your meals fall within the day or night depending on your shift timing. I know that some people do find it more difficult when working irregular hours so it might take some experimenting, but I'd suggest just trying it out for a few weeks and seeing what happens! Don't be afraid to tweak things, but also don't assume that feeling hungry means you must have more meals/move your meal time/snacks are imperative! - hunger is ok :)

Good luck!

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:14 pm
by oolala53
Ouch, that is a little complicated. Is there any 1-2 hour window morning, mid-dayish and eveningish on workdays that you ccould eat in no matter what the work hours? It does seem that there should be a way for you to have an evening meal at evening time no matter how late you work. In other words, i doubt having dinner after a shift that ends at midnight would be good, but who knows?

and it would have to be something that you could carry over to your off days. Hmmm..

Ten hours of work with one half hour meal break? I didn't think that would be legal.

I wish I could picture it more. But I think something that supports your eating real meals, not too many a day, and with little random eating will be an advantage. After you get some relative routine, you'll see if decreasing hunger will allow you decreasing food at those times.

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:56 pm
by wosnes
oolala53 wrote: Ten hours of work with one half hour meal break? I didn't think that would be legal.
It's definitely legal to work 10 hours with one half hour meal break. It's also legal to work 12 hours with one half hour meal break. I've done both. Although in both instances many of us combined our 15 minute breaks to have another meal.

I've done floating S days and it worked quite well for me.

I don't know what kind of work you do or if there are times when it would be impossible to leave the work area for a meal. (In my case, there were times when leaving was impossible.) I would try to pick times that you could eat no matter which set of hours you work and would also be close to times you could eat at home. On the other hand, as milliem says, it doesn't really matter.

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:22 am
by noIamNOTpregnant
Hey guys thanks for all your replies!
I think I've decided to start with keeping sdays as the real sdays so even if I'm in work I can allow myself to eat something I fancy every so often. I work in an airport(albeit not a very big one) so there's access to a few different things to eat. I think maybe knowing that some days I can enjoy that subway cookie whilst I'm in work but not all days will be good, rather than always thinking you mustn't have it at all and then ending up craving and breaking. the girl who comes round with mini cookie tasters every other day doesn't help much though!
And yes I know, 10 hours with a half hour break should be illegal but it's not! Unfortunately we can't split them either. On the other hand if we're not busy and someone wants to go and buy a cup of tea or a chocolate bar and bring it back they can (not great for dieting though!)
The 'hunger is ok' comment will really help me though I think because I do freak out a bit knowing I can't eat if I 'need' to so tend to try and make sure I snack on something. At least doing this I will conciously try and make sure the snack is nothing unhealthy and only if I absolutely need one.
Thanks again for all the help I will do my best! :D

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:05 am
by oolala53
Sounds like a good plan. I like the idea of being able to have a sweet sometimes at work and sometimes not. You can accommodate that since you sometimes work weekends. I don't know if it would mess me up not to just have a hard and fast rule about no sweets at work; I think if I worked on Saturday, it would be fine.

I'm excited for you! You will make friends with hunger. Doesn't mean you won't sometimes have disagreements! But it will be a good relationship overall.

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:12 pm
by wosnes
This is from Food Matters:
Mark Bittman wrote:There's a basic truth here: there are stages of hunger, and we -- Americans -- have become accustomed to feeding ourselves at the first sign. This is the equivalent of taking a nap every time you get tired, which hardly anyone does.

There are levels of hunger, and there is a very real difference between hunger and starvation. Starvation is a physical state; your body is deprived of essential nutrients or calories for a long period of time. Probably no one reading this book has ever been truly starving -- though we all think we know what starving feels like.

Hunger is a hardwired early-warning system. At first, your brain says, "Think about eating something soon." In the later stages it says, "Eat as soon as you can; make eating a priority." At no point does your brain say, "Eat now or you will do permanent damage," though at times it may feel as if that is true. But "Eat when hungry" has become a habit. We get hungry. We eat. We get hungry again. We eat again. And so on.

I'm not saying, "Don't eat when you're hungry." I'm saying that if losing or maintaining weight is important to you, think twice before you eat from simple hunger, or from other reasons, like emotion. And when you do eat, choose a piece of fruit; a carrot; a handful of nuts. If you're still hungry, have more. And more. Eat a pint of blueberries, or cherry tomatoes; have a mango, a banana, and an apple. Have a lightly dressed salad. You would be hard-pressed to gain weight eating this way.

You can also embrace hunger, strange as that may sound, just as you might embrace the delicious anticipation of a nap, or sexual craving. Your hunger will, after all, be satisfied; why not wait an hour? (You're not dying, after all!) You might also stop eating before you're full (three-quarters full is probably about right). And if you eat slowly, taking your time, you'll give the food time to reach your stomach and give you a sense of satisfaction before you have seconds or thirds.
I'm finding that this school of thought is common nearly everywhere except the US -- probably thanks to "experts" and the food industry, whose goal it is to make money, not keep us healthy and trim.

This is from French Kids Eat Everything:
Karen Le Billon wrote:The traditional French diet, as it turns out, has a higher proportion of "high satiety" foods than the conventional American diet. These foods are basically ones that make you feel full with fewer calories. A lot of research has been done on satiety, but the basic message is that some foods make us feel more full than others: whole grains, beans, lentils, oats, lean meats, fish, leafy greens, and high water/fiber content vegetables and fruits. As this list suggests, these foods are usually protein-and-fiber fich. They fill you up for longer, delaying the time at which you next fell hungry, particularly when eaten with an appropriate amount of high-fat foods (which stimulate the production of hormonal "satiety signals" and therefore make us feel satisfied longer.) This, of course, is exactly the mix of foods that French children are fed in the school cantine: protein, vegetables and a litte bit of fat in their cheese or dessert. As a result of eating this way, they feel satisfied for longer.

Contrast this with North America. When American children feel hungry, parental desperation tends to set in immediately. Children are given something -- anything -- to stave off hunger. If asked, many American parents would prefer to give something unhealthy to their kids rather than make them wait. If French children are hungry, on the other hand, they are simply promised that they'll be able to eat well at the next meal. And this training starts, in some cases, from birth.
I think fat is particularly important. Not only does it stimulate the production of the hormone that signals satiety, I think it takes longer to digest, so you feel satisfied longer. In addition to the fat in cheeses or desserts, there's nearly always some kind of vegetable salad with vinaigrette, and olive oil or butter is used in cooking.

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:00 pm
by noIamNOTpregnant
The bit about allowing yourself to get to a further stage of hunger does make sense but is a bit scary at the moment! Having a nap whenever I felt tired, however, sounds like an excellent idea! If only...
I agree about the fat as well, although obviously 'good' fats are the best. I think thats what I like best about noS, you can still eat stuff that I think is good for you but which is normally cut out of other diets. I always wonder how you're supposed to get all the nutrition you need from just eating a few leaves of lettuce!
Not that I'm getting everything I need, I'm sure, but I'm trying...
Today was my first day btw and I think I did OK, managed to avoid the biscuits in the cupboard but did end up having a snack before going to the gym. It was only half a peanut butter sandwich though and I think thats acceptable with a 30 minute walk to the gym plus an hour of body pump! Dinner was chinese which was a struggle but I served up a plate and stuck to it. A full plate mind you but still....
milliem I was reading your daily check-in earlier and it didn't take me long to realise you're in the UK - scotch eggs, wotsits and chips down the pub! Made me laugh :D

Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:39 pm
by Andie
Welcome! I work shifts and No S works for me. I work twelve hour shifts from 8am to 8pm, two days, two nights, five off. I still keep my S days on Saturday and Sunday, because my family is on a regular schedule.

For me, day shifts were not a problem, but I had to come up with a specific plan that I follow on nights (I have dinner before I go to work, and one meal at about 2 during my shift). I think the important thing is to make a plan of what you think will work for you, try it out for a week or so, and if it works stick to it.

I see you don't have much time for meal breaks while you're at work, what are you doing for food now? Are you eating before and after your shift late at night, or are you grabbing bites of snacks when you can during your shift? You could possibly use pre-made smoothies that you bring with you as meal replacements, or use a commercial meal replacement shake/bar. I'm not a big fan of shakes and bars in general, I would much prefer to eat food, but I do use them sometimes on shifts where I don't get to have a break (I'm an RN and it happens quite often). I keep one in my lunch bag as a back up. I'll have one on the go if I don't have time to have a meal break. Otherwise, I would end up justifying eating whatever treat may be laying around at the nursing station on the go instead, or going overboard eating when I get home.

Anyway, I think the key is to think about what you don't like about the way you're eating now, and come up with a simple plan you can stick to to avoid it.

Good luck!

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:27 pm
by noIamNOTpregnant
thanks for you feedback as someone who works shifts, andie. I think you're right, if I try and plan what time of day to have my three meals as well as what I'll eat, it should work out. At the moment I eat what I bring in with me on my half hour break which is usually leftovers from dinner. it probably isn't as much as I would eat on a normal meal at home though. I might have the odd snack during the day if I feel hungry or if someone has brought something in to share.
The meal replacement shakes sound like a good idea in theory but I'd have to see where I could buy them from and how much! Like you, I'd always much rather eat food although having said that I don't seem to have much problem eating chocolates etc which I'm sure have much less nutritional value.
My job is definitely a lot less hectic than yours, the only thing that stops me going to get something if I'm hungry would be if I'm the only person working and can't leave the shop or just concsiousness of the fact that we're all if the same boat, only getting half and hour each so it's not fair if I keep disappearing or standing round the back eating!