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Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum, but not quite new to No S. I have been practising NO S for the last year, but haven't yet managed to establish a solid 3 meal a day habit. As this was one of my aims when I started, I've decided that I need to do something a bit different to what I've been doing for the last year.
At the moment I’m allowing seconds for lunch and dinner on N days if I feel like I haven’t had enough at the end of a meal. On weekends I am sticking to 3 meals a day, but allowing treats and seconds.
I will be keeping an eye on my weight, but mainly I want to stop overeating.
At the moment I’m allowing seconds for lunch and dinner on N days if I feel like I haven’t had enough at the end of a meal. On weekends I am sticking to 3 meals a day, but allowing treats and seconds.
I will be keeping an eye on my weight, but mainly I want to stop overeating.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
Hi Ladybird,
Good luck with your plan. Your S days sound very similar to mine. I hope your seconds help you to stay on track. Do you plan to ease into vanilla No S after a while? No problem if you do or don't, just wondered if you had thought about it? We all have different solutions for our own lives.
Good luck with your plan. Your S days sound very similar to mine. I hope your seconds help you to stay on track. Do you plan to ease into vanilla No S after a while? No problem if you do or don't, just wondered if you had thought about it? We all have different solutions for our own lives.
I CAN do this.
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Last week:
Monday - success. Ate less than I really wanted due to digestive issues. Hungry during night and consequently woke up feeling tired and strained.
Tuesday- Sick day. Only 2 meals.
Wednesday - success. Still eating lightly
Thursday - success. Long walk meant I was ready for another meal by mid afternoon. Had a very substantial dinner, but still hungry during night.
Friday - success
Saturday and Sunday - 3 meals each day.
I have noted bouts of undereating, because that usually leads to rebound eating sooner or later, especially if it interrupts my sleep.
Monthly weigh-in: same as at the beginning of May. Maintenance is good.
Monday - success. Ate less than I really wanted due to digestive issues. Hungry during night and consequently woke up feeling tired and strained.
Tuesday- Sick day. Only 2 meals.
Wednesday - success. Still eating lightly
Thursday - success. Long walk meant I was ready for another meal by mid afternoon. Had a very substantial dinner, but still hungry during night.
Friday - success
Saturday and Sunday - 3 meals each day.
I have noted bouts of undereating, because that usually leads to rebound eating sooner or later, especially if it interrupts my sleep.
Monthly weigh-in: same as at the beginning of May. Maintenance is good.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
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Last week:
Mon, Tues, Wed - success
Thursday - success, but didn't eat enough lunch after a walk and was overhungry in the afternoon.
Friday - success. Wanted seconds for breakfast, but resisted. Was overtired in the morning and battling food cravings.
Saturday and Sunday - 3 meals per day.
No seconds for week.
Mon, Tues, Wed - success
Thursday - success, but didn't eat enough lunch after a walk and was overhungry in the afternoon.
Friday - success. Wanted seconds for breakfast, but resisted. Was overtired in the morning and battling food cravings.
Saturday and Sunday - 3 meals per day.
No seconds for week.
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Last Week:
Monday: success. Didn't give myself enough breakfast, but only realised this after eating
Tuesday: success. Both breakfast and lunch were a bit light on
Wed - Fri: success
Sat: 3 meals
Sun: 3 meals, but very irregular. Breakfast at 9, afternoon tea 4, and a too big dinner at 6:30.
I am still having trouble hitting that nice sweet spot of not too much and not too little, but I have had that problem since I was a teenager.
Monday: success. Didn't give myself enough breakfast, but only realised this after eating
Tuesday: success. Both breakfast and lunch were a bit light on
Wed - Fri: success
Sat: 3 meals
Sun: 3 meals, but very irregular. Breakfast at 9, afternoon tea 4, and a too big dinner at 6:30.
I am still having trouble hitting that nice sweet spot of not too much and not too little, but I have had that problem since I was a teenager.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
I don't know that I've even gotten this down perfectly. Nothing to do but keep seesawing a bit.
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Weekly report
Mon to Fri - success
Sat: 3 meals - seconds for lunch as I hadn't given myself quite enough to eat. Dinner - dished out more than I needed, but ate it all anyway.
Sun: 3 meals
I've cut back on the treats on weekends as I think too many energy dense foods were stopping me losing weight.
Mon to Fri - success
Sat: 3 meals - seconds for lunch as I hadn't given myself quite enough to eat. Dinner - dished out more than I needed, but ate it all anyway.
Sun: 3 meals
I've cut back on the treats on weekends as I think too many energy dense foods were stopping me losing weight.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
Good call. It's rarely the light foods that stop a person from losing weight, though it's the total that counts, and they are part of the total. But just a few bites of dense foods can tip the scales up;a few bites of celery usually doesn't. People don't usually lose by cutting veggies.
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Last week:
Mon: success
Tues: success - light breakfast, not enough lunch, hungry most of afternoon
Wed: success - rather large breakfast
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals
Sun - 3 meals, seconds for lunch, a bit too much dinner
I'm happy that I haven't had any out of control eating episodes since I joined the forum, although I'm still overeating at meals sometimes.
Mon: success
Tues: success - light breakfast, not enough lunch, hungry most of afternoon
Wed: success - rather large breakfast
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals
Sun - 3 meals, seconds for lunch, a bit too much dinner
I'm happy that I haven't had any out of control eating episodes since I joined the forum, although I'm still overeating at meals sometimes.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
Sounds like a really good start! It takes time to get the meal portion sizes down in the beginning, so don't worry about that--it will come in time. You're doing great with the habits!
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Some overeating is par. No out-of-control eating so far is pretty fantastic.
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Weekly report:
Mon - Wed: success
Thurs - technically success, but didn't eat enough
Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals - a large lunch, as I have been feeling too hungry lately. Only just interested in food by the time I had dinner.
Sun - 3 meals - dinner also perhaps more than I strictly needed.
One of the good things about No S is if I get to the point of feeling like I am not eating enough for comfort, I can have a deliberate break on the weekend. This is much better than breaking down and bingeing.
Mon - Wed: success
Thurs - technically success, but didn't eat enough
Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals - a large lunch, as I have been feeling too hungry lately. Only just interested in food by the time I had dinner.
Sun - 3 meals - dinner also perhaps more than I strictly needed.
One of the good things about No S is if I get to the point of feeling like I am not eating enough for comfort, I can have a deliberate break on the weekend. This is much better than breaking down and bingeing.
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Weekly check-in:
Mon: success - only two meals as I wasn't hungry enough for 3
Tue: success, but not enough lunch or dinner
Wed, Thurs - success
Fri: success. Seconds for lunch as part of lunch was inedible. Allowed under mod.
Sat: 3 meals
Sun: 3 meals. Not enough dinner. Hungry during the night.
As I look back through my check ins, I have been surprised at just how often I haven't eaten enough. This probably has contributed to my overeating jags in the past. I find the structure of No S plus tracking helps bring such things into view.
Mon: success - only two meals as I wasn't hungry enough for 3
Tue: success, but not enough lunch or dinner
Wed, Thurs - success
Fri: success. Seconds for lunch as part of lunch was inedible. Allowed under mod.
Sat: 3 meals
Sun: 3 meals. Not enough dinner. Hungry during the night.
As I look back through my check ins, I have been surprised at just how often I haven't eaten enough. This probably has contributed to my overeating jags in the past. I find the structure of No S plus tracking helps bring such things into view.
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If a couple of "too much" meals are all you're having, you are WAY ahead of the game. Awesome!
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I'm training myself to ignore the urges to eat outside mealtimes, but they are still there. Occasionally I have moment where I feel sick of the whole thing and want to chuck it in, but so far I have managed to not act on those thoughts also.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
No one can guarantee that you will ever stop getting some urges to eat outside of meal time. Even those in slim cultures feel those pulls a bit, but they know so well that it's a bad idea that they dismiss them rather easily. I still get them at some of the "old" times, even though I went for a couple of years rarely eating at those times. I'm going through a weird time now, but just knowing that I did not want to keep reinforcing that eating habit then helped me countless times buckle down and look forward to the next delicious meal.
Wanting to chuck it all is all part of the brain's game, spurred by habit, physiology, etc., but it's not a malicious game, just one that misinterprets the importance of the signals.
You are right on track, IMHO!
Wanting to chuck it all is all part of the brain's game, spurred by habit, physiology, etc., but it's not a malicious game, just one that misinterprets the importance of the signals.
You are right on track, IMHO!
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
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weekly check-in
Mon, Tue - success
Wed - technically a success, but badly underestimated how much I needed to eat for lunch and spent an uncomfortably hungry afternoon. I made up for it by dishing myself out a very large dinner and eating most of it.
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. I was finishing up Sunday dinner with a few almonds and had reached the point where my stomach didn't really want any more food. I found myself saying what the hell when I looked at the remaining almonds I had dished out, but caught myself in time. I count this as a win.
Mon, Tue - success
Wed - technically a success, but badly underestimated how much I needed to eat for lunch and spent an uncomfortably hungry afternoon. I made up for it by dishing myself out a very large dinner and eating most of it.
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. I was finishing up Sunday dinner with a few almonds and had reached the point where my stomach didn't really want any more food. I found myself saying what the hell when I looked at the remaining almonds I had dished out, but caught myself in time. I count this as a win.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
YES!ladybird30 wrote:I was finishing up Sunday dinner with a few almonds and had reached the point where my stomach didn't really want any more food. I found myself saying what the hell when I looked at the remaining almonds I had dished out, but caught myself in time. I count this as a win.
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2 years and counting on No-S.
29 lbs. down, 34 to go. Slow and steady wins the race.
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Mon -success
Tues - success - 2nds for lunch (allowed) as really had not had enough
Wed - technically success, but a little too much for lunch and dinner
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals, overloaded stomach at dinner
Sun - 3 meals, 2nds for dinner
Monthly weight check-in - my weight is down a little this month. My weight loss would possibly be faster if I wasn't still overeating at meals a couple of times a week, but I am not willing to eat less. I believe that if I pushed myself here, any faster weight loss would probably not be sustainable. I am certainly eating less than in May when I joined the forum.
Tues - success - 2nds for lunch (allowed) as really had not had enough
Wed - technically success, but a little too much for lunch and dinner
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals, overloaded stomach at dinner
Sun - 3 meals, 2nds for dinner
Monthly weight check-in - my weight is down a little this month. My weight loss would possibly be faster if I wasn't still overeating at meals a couple of times a week, but I am not willing to eat less. I believe that if I pushed myself here, any faster weight loss would probably not be sustainable. I am certainly eating less than in May when I joined the forum.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right
I've always felt this way too. Maybe at some point I'll feel differently, I don't know!ladybird30 wrote: Monthly weight check-in - my weight is down a little this month. My weight loss would possibly be faster if I wasn't still overeating at meals a couple of times a week, but I am not willing to eat less. I believe that if I pushed myself here, any faster weight loss would probably not be sustainable. I am certainly eating less than in May when I joined the forum.
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2 years and counting on No-S.
29 lbs. down, 34 to go. Slow and steady wins the race.
Respect Moderation
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Last week -
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, 3 large meals
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals, over large lunch
Sun - 3 meals
My meals have been a bit bigger this week, partly because I tend to loosen the reins a bit after I've lost a little weight, and partly because I did more exercise than usual on Thursday. I tend to eat more when my energy levels are down.
This week I will concentrate on making my meals more moderate. This to me means avoiding large meals rather than trying to eat lightly. I know I can't do that for more than a meal or two at a time.
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, 3 large meals
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals, over large lunch
Sun - 3 meals
My meals have been a bit bigger this week, partly because I tend to loosen the reins a bit after I've lost a little weight, and partly because I did more exercise than usual on Thursday. I tend to eat more when my energy levels are down.
This week I will concentrate on making my meals more moderate. This to me means avoiding large meals rather than trying to eat lightly. I know I can't do that for more than a meal or two at a time.
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Weekly check in:
Mon: success - only 1 meal because of stomach upset
Tues - Thurs: success
Fri - success - 2 meals, not intentionally. 1st meal was very late, and just wasn't hungry until dinner time.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
My meals have been more moderate this week, partly because of not wanting to upset my stomach. On Friday I told a couple of friends that I was on a waist reduction program. One of them thought at first I meant waste. Eating excess food is a waste, on all sorts of levels.
Mon: success - only 1 meal because of stomach upset
Tues - Thurs: success
Fri - success - 2 meals, not intentionally. 1st meal was very late, and just wasn't hungry until dinner time.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
My meals have been more moderate this week, partly because of not wanting to upset my stomach. On Friday I told a couple of friends that I was on a waist reduction program. One of them thought at first I meant waste. Eating excess food is a waste, on all sorts of levels.
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Weekly report -
Mon- Wed: success
Thurs - success -seconds for dinner (allowed), as I couldn't eat part of what I had cooked
Fri -technically a success, but lunch was so late I tried to allow room for my next meal. Lunch left me still hungry, and I dished myself out too much for dinner to compensate. Next time I'm in this situation, I will make sure I eat enough, and have a lighter third meal if/when I'm hungry.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals.
Mon- Wed: success
Thurs - success -seconds for dinner (allowed), as I couldn't eat part of what I had cooked
Fri -technically a success, but lunch was so late I tried to allow room for my next meal. Lunch left me still hungry, and I dished myself out too much for dinner to compensate. Next time I'm in this situation, I will make sure I eat enough, and have a lighter third meal if/when I'm hungry.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals.
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weekly report
Mon - success. My energy was low, and I found it hard not to eat between meals.
Tues - Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals.
Monthly weight check in:
My weight is down a little again this month. During the first 2 months after I joined, May and June, my weight ranged from 146 to 151 (eek) lbs. For September my weight ranged between 142 and 145 lbs. My BMI is about 25.
I am now near the bottom of the weight range my body has been defending for the last decade or so. Every time I have gone lower, rebound eating has seen my weight go up again. Although I would like to lose some more weight for the sake of my metabolic and joint health, it may not be possible just at the moment.
I have decided for the next week (or perhaps longer) I am going to try to maintain my current weight. I hope this will give my body time to adjust.
This means trying to eat 3 satisfying meals per day and avoiding undereating, something I can easily excuse to myself because 'I am trying to lose weight'.
This also means more planning ahead with the food shopping and giving myself mental permission to stock up the pantry. After all, if I am not trying to lose weight, then I have no need to short change myself.
If all this sounds like I have a certain amount of eating disorder thinking, then that is probably right. No S has helped bring this out into the open for me.
I'll see how it goes.
Mon - success. My energy was low, and I found it hard not to eat between meals.
Tues - Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals.
Monthly weight check in:
My weight is down a little again this month. During the first 2 months after I joined, May and June, my weight ranged from 146 to 151 (eek) lbs. For September my weight ranged between 142 and 145 lbs. My BMI is about 25.
I am now near the bottom of the weight range my body has been defending for the last decade or so. Every time I have gone lower, rebound eating has seen my weight go up again. Although I would like to lose some more weight for the sake of my metabolic and joint health, it may not be possible just at the moment.
I have decided for the next week (or perhaps longer) I am going to try to maintain my current weight. I hope this will give my body time to adjust.
This means trying to eat 3 satisfying meals per day and avoiding undereating, something I can easily excuse to myself because 'I am trying to lose weight'.
This also means more planning ahead with the food shopping and giving myself mental permission to stock up the pantry. After all, if I am not trying to lose weight, then I have no need to short change myself.
If all this sounds like I have a certain amount of eating disorder thinking, then that is probably right. No S has helped bring this out into the open for me.
I'll see how it goes.
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Remember that Wansink has found over and over, even for thin people, that the more food people have access to, the more they eat.
Most people in history have been slim because there has been some food scarcity, either in the present or anticipated. They had to be judicious with the supplies.
I know what you mean about rebound eating. If you do whatever you can to keep yourself steady through the end of the year, you will be beating the odds (also according to Wansink.) Throughout the world, people tend to gain over their respective holiday seasons and keep the weight for five months, though on average, it's less than you'd think. However, I think those who have struggled tend to rebound more. YOU can beat those odds, too.
Good going!
Most people in history have been slim because there has been some food scarcity, either in the present or anticipated. They had to be judicious with the supplies.
I know what you mean about rebound eating. If you do whatever you can to keep yourself steady through the end of the year, you will be beating the odds (also according to Wansink.) Throughout the world, people tend to gain over their respective holiday seasons and keep the weight for five months, though on average, it's less than you'd think. However, I think those who have struggled tend to rebound more. YOU can beat those odds, too.
Good going!
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
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9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
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1/21-23
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Thanks for your encouraging words Oolala. I take your point about limited food supplies keeping people slim.
When I talk about keeping the pantry stocked, I meant having enough of the basics - meat, veg, starches so that there is always enough food in the house to make a meal. Treat foods only get bought occasionally on weekends when I intend to eat them.
When I talk about keeping the pantry stocked, I meant having enough of the basics - meat, veg, starches so that there is always enough food in the house to make a meal. Treat foods only get bought occasionally on weekends when I intend to eat them.
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Oh I get it. Yes, it's important to keep the makings of meals on hand. It's different from European slim countries who may live in areas where they can shop almost daily. I don't cook many dinners fresh. I have the building blocks mostly in the freezer and fridge, supplemented with pantry sauces. I have to admit it puzzles me a bit when people on "my" other site say there was nothing for a meal in the fridge. Do they just not go shopping and thus have to keep getting fast food? When they do shop, how do they decide what to buy? Are they thinking in terms of needing stuff for the different parts of the meal? I hope I'm not stepping on any toes.
I used to be almost embarrassed at not having treats and snack food in the house, left over from the old "Overcoming Overeating" days- a book in which it was recommended to always have PLENTY of favorite foods without restriction (one other source even said I should have WAY MORE than I could eat in a sitting. Well, I just packed in all into a few sittings and the desire just grew, as did my trunk.) But the IE people made it seem like I just hadn't done enough to get over my self-denial. Brian Wansink helped dispel that guilt for me. It's okay not to have extra food around! Especially not highly palatable, low nutrition food! The kind traditional societies would never have sitting around! It's okay to make it easier to live with self-imposed scarcity since it doesn't happen naturally anymore!
I used to be almost embarrassed at not having treats and snack food in the house, left over from the old "Overcoming Overeating" days- a book in which it was recommended to always have PLENTY of favorite foods without restriction (one other source even said I should have WAY MORE than I could eat in a sitting. Well, I just packed in all into a few sittings and the desire just grew, as did my trunk.) But the IE people made it seem like I just hadn't done enough to get over my self-denial. Brian Wansink helped dispel that guilt for me. It's okay not to have extra food around! Especially not highly palatable, low nutrition food! The kind traditional societies would never have sitting around! It's okay to make it easier to live with self-imposed scarcity since it doesn't happen naturally anymore!
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I also have enough food in the pantry/frig/freezer for a meal that will satisfy me but not always my family. I'm perfectly happy with a bowl of soup & some avocado toast though.
Oolala: I read (& re-read) that OO book too. I really bought into it and thought it would save me. Well, on the one hand, it did make it possible for me to have any food around the house, stopped my bingeing & made it so I stopped seeing Foods in "good" & "bad" categories. On the other hand, I gained about 70 lbs. :/ Was it worth it? Probably not. Too bad I didn't find NoS first but maybe I wasn't ready for it yet.
Sorry to take over your thread ladybird!
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Oolala: I read (& re-read) that OO book too. I really bought into it and thought it would save me. Well, on the one hand, it did make it possible for me to have any food around the house, stopped my bingeing & made it so I stopped seeing Foods in "good" & "bad" categories. On the other hand, I gained about 70 lbs. :/ Was it worth it? Probably not. Too bad I didn't find NoS first but maybe I wasn't ready for it yet.
Sorry to take over your thread ladybird!
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No worries Linda, interesting discussion.
Perhaps the thinking behind keeping lots of energy dense processed foods in the houses is that if we can get rid of the emotional charge attached to them, we will no longer want to over eat them. I think this approach also assumes that the main reason we overeat these foods is because of negative emotions and feelings of deprivation.
Its true that dieting makes these foods seem more attractive (at least, it does for me). However, if you want to make a lab rat really fat, apparently the quickest way to do it is to provide them with free access to these sorts of foods. I don't think these rats are suffering from the 'last supper' syndrome.
Perhaps the thinking behind keeping lots of energy dense processed foods in the houses is that if we can get rid of the emotional charge attached to them, we will no longer want to over eat them. I think this approach also assumes that the main reason we overeat these foods is because of negative emotions and feelings of deprivation.
Its true that dieting makes these foods seem more attractive (at least, it does for me). However, if you want to make a lab rat really fat, apparently the quickest way to do it is to provide them with free access to these sorts of foods. I don't think these rats are suffering from the 'last supper' syndrome.
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It seems there are varying results from the strategy. I know of one other person it had that freeing effect on, and that was a guy who had earlier been slim and then ballooned, though never on sweets. As he ate without guilt, his weight drifted down. I think it took a couple of years to lose 60 lbs. Pretty much went back to being slim and a lot stronger lifting weights (though for all his strength, he wasn't very muscular. A true ectomorph.) He also got more selective about his eating than he had been when he was younger. Older and wiser.
Even on No S, I've never completely lost my vulnerability to low nutrition food. I'm lucky that I live in such a small place that it makes it harder to justify keeping food that I want to play such a small role in my eating around.
Even on No S, I've never completely lost my vulnerability to low nutrition food. I'm lucky that I live in such a small place that it makes it harder to justify keeping food that I want to play such a small role in my eating around.
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Mon - Wed: success
Thurs - success. Technically a second as I added some bottled fruit after I had finished that I remembered I had, but allowed anyway.
Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. Refused the biscuits, chocolate etc being handed around mid afternoon as I usually do when I am out. Had a nice big dinner when I got home. I don't think it is possible for me to eat sweets between meals, eat the satisfying sized meals I enjoy and slowly lose weight as well. I am not willing to test this idea out anyway.
Thurs - success. Technically a second as I added some bottled fruit after I had finished that I remembered I had, but allowed anyway.
Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. Refused the biscuits, chocolate etc being handed around mid afternoon as I usually do when I am out. Had a nice big dinner when I got home. I don't think it is possible for me to eat sweets between meals, eat the satisfying sized meals I enjoy and slowly lose weight as well. I am not willing to test this idea out anyway.
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If you are enjoying your meals without sweets, terrific! Humans have lived without many intense sweet foods for most of history and never missed them. You're connecting with your ancestors. ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Oolala, I like to think of my ancestors when I eat foraged foods such as dandelion greens. But I also think of them enjoying honey, and dried fruit as part of their meals.
I still eat sweets on occasion, but with meals rather than between meals.
I still eat sweets on occasion, but with meals rather than between meals.
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I don't think they found honey very often, and their fruits were much less sweet than ours. But we do what we can where we are today.
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Weekly check in:
Mon: success
Tues: technically success, but ate too much fruit for dinner to my stomach's regret
Wed - Fri: succes
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Got too hungry Sun afternoon, and was strongly tempted to have an afternoon snack. But I decided to wait in the interests of maintaining the habit.
Mon: success
Tues: technically success, but ate too much fruit for dinner to my stomach's regret
Wed - Fri: succes
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Got too hungry Sun afternoon, and was strongly tempted to have an afternoon snack. But I decided to wait in the interests of maintaining the habit.
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Weekly check in:
Mon - Fri: success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Monthly weight check:
Sep weight range: 142 - 145
Oct weight range: 141 - 145
My weight dipped below the previous month's low briefly, but didn't stay there. I ended the month up a little from the previous month. I'm happy to call it maintenance.
I'm still overloading my stomach at meal times sometimes, so I will concentrate on not doing that this month. My stomach will thank me.
Mon - Fri: success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Monthly weight check:
Sep weight range: 142 - 145
Oct weight range: 141 - 145
My weight dipped below the previous month's low briefly, but didn't stay there. I ended the month up a little from the previous month. I'm happy to call it maintenance.
I'm still overloading my stomach at meal times sometimes, so I will concentrate on not doing that this month. My stomach will thank me.
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Weekly report -
Mon - success
Tues - success, but very late meals - lunch, dinner and supper which I don't usually do
Wed - success
Thurs - fail, my first since May. Went on my usual long walk with my walking group, no breakfast as usual. We had stops for morning tea and lunch. I split my lunch up, and had half for morning tea as I was hungrier than usual. Then dinner, which wasn't enough. I got up after I went to bed and had supper, as I was too hungry to sleep. So I count this as a fail, as it was an unplanned 4 eating occasions instead of 3.
The funny thing was that it wasn't until I got back into bed and was drifting off to sleep that I realised that by the time I finished dinner I had only had 2 meals worth of food to fuel a long walk. No wonder I was hungry.
Fri - success. Hungry when I woke up. Had seconds for dinner (allowed under mod), after which I finally felt like I'd had enough to eat.
Sat - 3 meals, seconds for dinner
Sun - 3 meals
Mon - success
Tues - success, but very late meals - lunch, dinner and supper which I don't usually do
Wed - success
Thurs - fail, my first since May. Went on my usual long walk with my walking group, no breakfast as usual. We had stops for morning tea and lunch. I split my lunch up, and had half for morning tea as I was hungrier than usual. Then dinner, which wasn't enough. I got up after I went to bed and had supper, as I was too hungry to sleep. So I count this as a fail, as it was an unplanned 4 eating occasions instead of 3.
The funny thing was that it wasn't until I got back into bed and was drifting off to sleep that I realised that by the time I finished dinner I had only had 2 meals worth of food to fuel a long walk. No wonder I was hungry.
Fri - success. Hungry when I woke up. Had seconds for dinner (allowed under mod), after which I finally felt like I'd had enough to eat.
Sat - 3 meals, seconds for dinner
Sun - 3 meals
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Weekly report:
Mon - success
Tues - success. Had a bigger lunch and dinner than usual as too tired to feel like going hungry. Also feeling a bit low AM, a sign that I need to eat more.
Wed - success
Thurs- success - My first meal was very late, as I didn't eat during our walking group's walk due to the heat. I bought 4 handmade chocolates at the chocolate makers where we finished our walk. They are in the freezer, for a Xmas day treat. I don't eat a lot of treats, mainly because the thought of awakening my food cravings again really doesn't appeal to me. Not to mention the withdrawal if I give in.
Friday - success. Again feeling a bit low in the morning, so had a larger dinner, though not to the point of discomfort.
Sat - 3 meals. Felt a bit low again AM, so had a bigger lunch.
Sun - 3 meals. Scratching around for something to eat, as I didn't go shopping Sat.
Mon - success
Tues - success. Had a bigger lunch and dinner than usual as too tired to feel like going hungry. Also feeling a bit low AM, a sign that I need to eat more.
Wed - success
Thurs- success - My first meal was very late, as I didn't eat during our walking group's walk due to the heat. I bought 4 handmade chocolates at the chocolate makers where we finished our walk. They are in the freezer, for a Xmas day treat. I don't eat a lot of treats, mainly because the thought of awakening my food cravings again really doesn't appeal to me. Not to mention the withdrawal if I give in.
Friday - success. Again feeling a bit low in the morning, so had a larger dinner, though not to the point of discomfort.
Sat - 3 meals. Felt a bit low again AM, so had a bigger lunch.
Sun - 3 meals. Scratching around for something to eat, as I didn't go shopping Sat.
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You are doing great!
The leptin effect is after fat loss, not from a light meal. But if you're feeling low, and a bit more food helps, by all means. It may be worth an experiment, though. Perhaps it's not actually related to intake; that might be a coincidence.
The leptin effect is after fat loss, not from a light meal. But if you're feeling low, and a bit more food helps, by all means. It may be worth an experiment, though. Perhaps it's not actually related to intake; that might be a coincidence.
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weekly report:
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, but overloaded stomach a bit at dinner. My energy was low in the morning, and I wanted to eat, but didn't.
Thur, Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Monthly Weight report:
Oct range: 141- 145 lbs
Nov range: 142 - 143 lbs.
I'm happy to record this as maintenance.
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, but overloaded stomach a bit at dinner. My energy was low in the morning, and I wanted to eat, but didn't.
Thur, Fri - success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals
Monthly Weight report:
Oct range: 141- 145 lbs
Nov range: 142 - 143 lbs.
I'm happy to record this as maintenance.
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Yes, it is amazing. Even though I sometimes overeat at mealtime, I don't count them as binges because it has always been food I dished out at the start of the meal. I usually keep adding food when I am serving until I feel like I have enough. Sometimes I don't eat it all, and sometimes I eat too much. But I have got a lot better at judging how much I need with practice & 3 meals a day.
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Mon - technical success - feeling a bit low before dinner, overloaded plate and ate too much even though I didn't eat all I had dished out.
Tues, Wed, Thurs - success
Fri- success. Had indigestion after dinner, even though I didn't think I'd eaten too much
Sat - 3 meals. Struggling with tiredness and not wanting to do anything, a situation where in the past I would have eaten to make myself feel better. However, I managed to distract myself til dinner time.
Sun - 3 meals. Had afternoon tea with friends and told the hostess that I wouldn't be having any because I didn't eat between meals anymore. I also explained that for me having even a small amount was the start of a slippery slope, and that by the time I got to the bottom of the slope I would be a blimp.
I still enjoyed myself, and she wasn't offended, just curious.
Tues, Wed, Thurs - success
Fri- success. Had indigestion after dinner, even though I didn't think I'd eaten too much
Sat - 3 meals. Struggling with tiredness and not wanting to do anything, a situation where in the past I would have eaten to make myself feel better. However, I managed to distract myself til dinner time.
Sun - 3 meals. Had afternoon tea with friends and told the hostess that I wouldn't be having any because I didn't eat between meals anymore. I also explained that for me having even a small amount was the start of a slippery slope, and that by the time I got to the bottom of the slope I would be a blimp.
I still enjoyed myself, and she wasn't offended, just curious.
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Weekly report
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, seconds for dinner (allowed)
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals. Seconds for b'fast, as I finished feeling I hadn't had enough. I was still too stressed from activities during the week to want to tolerate that feeling of not having had enough to eat.
Sun - 3 meals, overloaded stomach at dinner.
I've decided to institute formal portion controls on N days, and weekends if I feel like it. My vague resolutions to not eat too much at meal times don't last more than a few days, and haven't been effective. The one plate rule isn't sufficient, as I can quite easily put too much on a plate. I still worry about about not eating enough at dinner to stop me getting hungry after I go to bed, so I don't want to move to a smaller plate. I'm starting small, just putting a limit on the amount of separated oils/fats I eat with a meal. This is something I can do with very little effort.
My aim is to find a template for meals which suits me - enough of the foods I like to eat, enough to get me comfortably through to the next meal and leave me feeling satisfied after eating, not so much volume I overload my stomach. Thanks to No S my eating has improved out of sight since May, but I'm still not quite where I want to be.
Mon, Tues - success
Wed - success, seconds for dinner (allowed)
Thurs, Fri - success
Sat - 3 meals. Seconds for b'fast, as I finished feeling I hadn't had enough. I was still too stressed from activities during the week to want to tolerate that feeling of not having had enough to eat.
Sun - 3 meals, overloaded stomach at dinner.
I've decided to institute formal portion controls on N days, and weekends if I feel like it. My vague resolutions to not eat too much at meal times don't last more than a few days, and haven't been effective. The one plate rule isn't sufficient, as I can quite easily put too much on a plate. I still worry about about not eating enough at dinner to stop me getting hungry after I go to bed, so I don't want to move to a smaller plate. I'm starting small, just putting a limit on the amount of separated oils/fats I eat with a meal. This is something I can do with very little effort.
My aim is to find a template for meals which suits me - enough of the foods I like to eat, enough to get me comfortably through to the next meal and leave me feeling satisfied after eating, not so much volume I overload my stomach. Thanks to No S my eating has improved out of sight since May, but I'm still not quite where I want to be.
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Weekly report:
Mon S day - had a very nice moderate Xmas dinner. Threw the remains of some indifferent quality chocolates in the compost when clearing up to remove temptation. Three meals and a snack.
Tues - Fri - success. Did find myself playing with thoughts of eating junk food rather more than usual. Didn't go there tho.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. At Sunday night dinner, part of me felt like I hadn't had enough, while another was saying I don't want any more. As a result, I ate too much and felt rather uncomfortable for an hour or so. No wonder intuitive eating didn't work for me.
Monthly weight check in:
Finally I can claim that I have lost a bit more weight, as I have broken below the plateau I have been maintaining since mid October.
Sep: 142 - 145 lbs
Oct: 141 - 145
Nov: 142 -143
Dec: 140 - 143
Happy New Year everyone, Ladybird.
Mon S day - had a very nice moderate Xmas dinner. Threw the remains of some indifferent quality chocolates in the compost when clearing up to remove temptation. Three meals and a snack.
Tues - Fri - success. Did find myself playing with thoughts of eating junk food rather more than usual. Didn't go there tho.
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. At Sunday night dinner, part of me felt like I hadn't had enough, while another was saying I don't want any more. As a result, I ate too much and felt rather uncomfortable for an hour or so. No wonder intuitive eating didn't work for me.
Monthly weight check in:
Finally I can claim that I have lost a bit more weight, as I have broken below the plateau I have been maintaining since mid October.
Sep: 142 - 145 lbs
Oct: 141 - 145
Nov: 142 -143
Dec: 140 - 143
Happy New Year everyone, Ladybird.
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Wow, Ladybird, I think you are amazing! 🙂When I read that you'd thrown those chocolates on the compost...RESPECT! Isn't it weird, how hard it is to throw away food....and yet we can throw it into our mouths when we don't need it? I want to gain this sort of strength. I did throw away some excess things this Xmas (pouring away a big tub of double cream was the hardest), but not enough.
I also read that you've gone 6 months without a binge. That's fantastic. I hope I can follow in your footsteps. Thanks for the inspiration and Happy New Year!
I also read that you've gone 6 months without a binge. That's fantastic. I hope I can follow in your footsteps. Thanks for the inspiration and Happy New Year!
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Thanks for your kind words Octavia. I did surprise my friend by telling her I would be ditching the chocolates. They really weren't very good. My friend took the cream home home with her - too much temptation for me, even if I had put it in the freezer for the next S day. And I am not sure I could have put it in the compost.
I stopped overindulging in food on social occasions a long time ago because I didn't like the effects and I didn't have the drive to overeat in those situations. Virtually all my excess weight has come from solo eating. So No S has been wonderful for that, especially now that its rules are becoming internalised.
I stopped overindulging in food on social occasions a long time ago because I didn't like the effects and I didn't have the drive to overeat in those situations. Virtually all my excess weight has come from solo eating. So No S has been wonderful for that, especially now that its rules are becoming internalised.
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Some days, I can have the desire to eat more and another part of me will say I don't want more, and as a result, I stop eating then instead of giving in! That one is getting rewarding enough that I can choose it more often. It still feels a little like a miracle when it happens, one that I'd like to think will become the default.
You've had a terrific run overall. Here's to 2018!
You've had a terrific run overall. Here's to 2018!
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Weekly report:
Mon: success
Tues, Wed: S for sick days - not well, appetite more erratic than usual, had 4 smaller meals instead of 3
Thurs, Fri: success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. Felt well again on Sun. Started thinking about treats, but couldn't be bothered going out to get any (weather far too hot). Ate a rather over large Sun dinner.
No exercise to speak of, except a bit of pottering around my garden.
Mon: success
Tues, Wed: S for sick days - not well, appetite more erratic than usual, had 4 smaller meals instead of 3
Thurs, Fri: success
Sat, Sun - 3 meals. Felt well again on Sun. Started thinking about treats, but couldn't be bothered going out to get any (weather far too hot). Ate a rather over large Sun dinner.
No exercise to speak of, except a bit of pottering around my garden.
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