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oolala53



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't for the first six years for me, either. Not a trick, sadly. I'd rather have the appetite! But it's now not very pleasant to go ahead and have a real meal. Way too full and often a sense that I'm just feeding the body's fear of starving, which is an illusion! This body would have a loooong way to go to starve to death. I just have to tell it to go curl up in the corner until bedtime. The magic processes tend to pull out what they need from the reserves overnight and I start fresh. Or else it's wasting my muscle away and I'll be a blob of fat in five years. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this should be interesting. I didn't feel that my left foot had gone to sleep and in going into the other room, I couldn't control the position of my foot and the left side rolled as I put my full weight on it, realizing the problem too late. It hurt a lot! It took about four hours to go through the process of dealing with it through Kaiser, and it involved a video diagnosis! Using my phone camera, I first sent a photo to a nurse. Then she referred me for a video conference with a doctor---115 miles away! He basically told me what my sister, ex-head of the emergency room at a county hospital, told me: ice, elevation, stay off it, possibly urgent care in the morning. Doc said to go to urgent care because it's similar to dancers' injuries and it could be broken even though it's not that swollen. No compression.

So the rest of me is perfectly fine. Had some dinner and took a Motrin.

Shoot, if it had been worse, i could have been on the floor a long time before I crawled to my phone.

And I got my one-minute exercise in before the crisis! I'll still be able to do two of the three exercises and some floor stuff. Even some Shovelglove moves with my weights in a few days. No excuses!

urgent care at 10 am.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez! I hope it heals very soon. Watch that shovel glove if you're standing on that foot. Better to be safe than sorry.

Sending healing vibes!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TX. I won't be standing much on it! I can kneel with that foot on a chair. I won't be using many SG moves because of momentum issues. It's actually kinda interesting. I've so rarely had injuries that really keep me still.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your foot! Hope it heals soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Lor'! Can you get yourself to Urgent Care with your foot out of action?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds horrific! I'm so sorry. Please oh please heal up smoothly & rapidly.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m confused about time zones - did you get to urgent care yet? I hope you can get it checked out and x-rayed. ❤️❤️❤️
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, everyone, for your concern and good wishes. It actually wasn't bad. I was so surprised to find out today that I did fracture a bone! Left pinky metatarsal. Only about a 3-inch square of the foot had swollen, and I still thought it was just a big bruise or sprain or I don't know what. Got a big boot (for such a little toe) and crutches. Everything else is copacetic. But I guess no little soft shoe dance in my musical theater performance first weekend in March. Got some nice meds and a nice sleep today.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wishing you a swift recovery! Look after yourself. Hope it heals quickly and you’re not in too much pain. Octa x
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala53 wrote:
Thanks, everyone, for your concern and good wishes. It actually wasn't bad. I was so surprised to find out today that I did fracture a bone! Left pinky metatarsal. Only about a 3-inch square of the foot had swollen, and I still thought it was just a big bruise or sprain or I don't know what. Got a big boot (for such a little toe) and crutches. Everything else is copacetic. But I guess no little soft shoe dance in my musical theater performance first weekend in March. Got some nice meds and a nice sleep today.


Poor toe! Glad you got it looked at. Have a good rest.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your injury, hope it heals quickly! I love your attitude that you will try and find a way to exercise despite it all, I'd be happily on the sofa, eating chocolate and marking it a sick day Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TX, milliem. On the 1-minute site, the exercises rotate each day between planks, squats, and sitting on a chair lifting your bottom up off the seat (feet still on the ground in level 2). Believe me, today got enough practice with my crutches that I went WAY past a minute exercising most of the same muscles! I have no qualms using the site to run down my minute sitting on the couch - no chocolate except in my dessert mocha after dinner, perhaps.

However, I feel like a freakin' genius because yesterday the doctor said people in my position sometimes have walkers instead of crutches (though you can't really keep the weight off the foot with the walker). But getting around my small apartment with crutches felt like a lot of trouble. I guessed later that they don't offer those little scooters you can rest one knee/shin on and roll yourself around with as too expensive (and I agree; I'm already aghast that there is no way to sanitize the splint for someone else to use later; crutches, too. And not just at a thrift store. It's too late to buy something there if you have to get home from the hospital using the stuff!) I realized I had gotten a cool little roll-around molded seat at a yard sale last year. I put a couple of pillows on the seat to get the height up and have been scooting around very nicely. But I can't use that outside, so I'm glad to have crutches, too.

And "eating down the stores" in my fridge is working out very well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been wondering about your foot.
Just taught the metatarsals (and other foot and ankle bones) yesterday in lab. Sorry about your injury, but you sure are a trooper!

A question for you that sounds like it's not about food but it kind of ultimately is --
I want to quit my job. So SO SO bad. I would like to spend the next 10 years taking care of my house, learning how to cook (and teaching my kids), and being involved with my kids. But that would reduce us to 1 teacher salary. I am wondering if we could ever do it -- we'd have to give up a lot of the extras, most of the eating out, vacations, etc. I'd have to learn to coupon-clip, buy everything at Goodwill (honestly, that would the very easiest thing to do -- we are not a shopping family). Retirement? Hmm College for kids? Hmmm
I'm probably crazy, and did I even ask you a question? Not sure why I'm posting this -- I guess a combo of your kindred teacher-burnout problems and your not-kindred frugality skills (that I would have to adopt if I quit or cut-back).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tough call, auto. Is it the kids, the hours, the admin, the expectations? You don't have to answer. I just asked in case being an aide was an option. Shorter hours, no outside work, insurance (yes?) a retirement. What does your husband think? If you did it, I would recommend that you take out a big life insurance policy on your husband. Sounds morbid, but that's just reality. If your kids are young, he's probably young enough to qualify for pretty low premiums. In our district, it's also possible for a wife to the survivor's retirement benefits but they are of course reduced. (I never thought about retirement until I was in my 40's. It wasn't why I became a teacher, but it sure seems smart now. But I was desperate to join the middle class, so here I am.)

I really understand wanting to devote more time to family time. I wish all moms could take the years 0-4 to spend with all their children. But if you are attracted to any other kind of work, could you make some progress in getting trained for it while you also take some time off? I do know of a couple of male teachers who are the sole breadwinners for their families. (One of them is not retired. They had no children and his wife never worked. She was of my generation, actually a little younger. I was amazed. Didn't she want to find something, just for interest or a little security? He and I had a lot of talks before he retired and he never talked about her being involved in any focused activities. I would be so nervous thinking I might not be able to take care of myself if something happened, but I guess I've had to rely on myself for a long time, and never had any man but my father ever seem interested in supporting me. How do you even get that gig? Laughing

But if it really feels like you're losing out so much on life, and your family is in favor of it, I think you could learn to economize. I think you should run that by your kids. They'll be affected, too. You might look at some books on stay-at-home moms. Of course, they'll all be "selling" it because that's the nature of the book business. But Im sure many of them deal with finances issues. They could give ideas about how they managed to have fun times with kids without spending a lot of money. My sister told my mom once that she was glad Mom was there when she came home from school, but my sister also worked for most of her kids' lives while they lived at home. Go figure.

I do know that some studies have shown that teens want to spend more time with family or at least have parents around, even if the kids don't give the parents a lot of attention.

I don't know if any of this helped. Would you leave this year? Why not experiment with living just on your husband's salary for the rest of this school year?

Anyway, got around on my crutches fine today, though my arms are going to e sore. Found I could wheel myself around at home on a workshop stool as a relief, too. No dishwasher, so I did the dishes with my knee propped up on it, a pillow on top. Was able to make my meals fine, but almost everything is leftovers in essence anyway. Time to cook up some starches. Will put some winter squash in my 1.5 quart crockpot tonight. It will be plain this time, but i got a cool book out of the library that's all vegan crockpot meals for one or two, all in a small pot. I'm not a vegan but the cooking seems pretty darn easy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Oolala, all the best with your foot. You sound like you are managing well at home so far with a bit of ingenuity.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Oolala -- thanks so much for your reply to me. I wrote a novel on my own thread. Thank you!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read about your accident. Hope the foot's feeling a little better today.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! It has actually not been bad even from the beginning unless I step on it. That may sound like a lot, but no throbbing, no shooting pain any time every time I move the leg, no keeping me awake at night. I think if it had been the joint, I would be in a lot more trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: eating. I have not been keeping to my S day mod of saving S's for social situations only. I think I need to let it go until I am more convinced it is worth the adjustment period. I will keep the no social/no sweets, as that was working for a few years. No seconds isn't usually a sticking point. I made the mod because it just felt like I was doing it because I could. But I still get a lot of delight from eating something because I saw it in the fridge. That's about the only thing I snack with. I don't want packaged snacks in my life, so that's not an issue. I'm unlikely to cook anything special for snacks so it's just leftovers or fruit that look tasty. it was never the quality but the "principality" Wink of the thing.

I had a fail yesterday. I was going to try to call it another NWS day because I was going to an evening event and wanted to be able to have a snack there. But I started earlier, and it was really from lack of waiting to get over the peak to the next meal. Last "failure fall," I had gotten into the habit of strolling through Costco to eat the samples, even when I didn't have anything to buy. I almost never buy the samples because they are too salty for me for a whole meal, but kind of fun for a nibble. (I used to feel a little guilty for it, but one of the workers once told me that the companies are data-driven, meaning they don't do anything that doesn't end up bringing them more money, down to knowing which days to use. And of course, I see lots of other people take one and just walk off immediately, but I don't always want to use others for such measures.)

The event was the showing of the opening ceremony at the Olympics. Honestly, I'm not much of an Olympics fan anymore, but it was being shown (for only the price of parking) on the Midway Museum deck, which the USS Midway, named after the famous battle in 'WWII and the longest-serving aircraft carrier of the 20th century. Anyway there was a huge screen (good to watch spectacles on) and I don't have a working TV these days anyway.) I felt a little choked up at times because Katie Couric kept saying very gravely that the South Koreans really want to reunite the two Koreas but I read up on it later and found out it's very controversial with many vehemently opposed to it. (So like the media to exploit pathos.) Some believe it would potentially be very bloody of done very soon as the NK elite would fight it, and it would mean more blood shed than in Syria. The millenials there think it is an outdated idea. With the separation coming 70 years ago, and only a relatively few defectors still alive, there aren't many people to yearn for it to see relatives. My mother wasn't interested in going to Ireland to see relatives there and we have never been to war there! She actually thought it would be burden on them, which I doubted because in my travels, most people expressed a real interest in hosting Americans on a personal basis. And her cousin used to go back and visit; those people would have probably been up for it.

Well, I certainly have gotten far afield of No. S.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your injury, glad you seem to be on
the mend.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds interesting to see the opening ceremony at the museum. I watched it at a bar with my boyfriend.

I don't feel I have anything worthwhile to add to your thoughts on the Korean peninsula and peace-making, but I enjoyed reading them. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala,

Just caught up on your board and glad to see you are getting around with your injury. I hope it is healing as well as it sounds like it is and always interesting to see what the media chooses to exploit.

Since I rarely eat samples at Costco anymore, I ALWAYS notice those people who take and "dash" away so as to not have to hear a sales pitch from the person providing the samples. Truthfully, I felt a little "judgy" about those that take samples and don't reciprocate and by the product, but I guess I won't anymore. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for continued well wishes! So much on the mend that I sometimes forget and put my whole foot down. The pain on doing that is actually minor but I know it would be a mistake to be fooled by that. I imagine that's going to get a little harder as the weeks progress and the foot feels like it can "take it" even more.

I've got notifications all day on my phone right now that I would have to report errant S's on the February challenge if I have them. Like the actual food, not just the fact. I was a bit afraid that it might backfire and make me want to have snacks! But so far, it's been effective for what I wanted. I do keep procrastinating on taking seriously the mod I do want to go back to from previous times of no more doctored coffee between meals. But I still haven't gotten over the delicious freedom of not having to go into work in the mornings, so I let my coffee turn into two big mugs over the courses of the morning. In due time. After last fall's wackiness, I'm still grateful for what I've been able to do.

And I'm getting my one minute (and usually more) of exercise a day. I will beat my longest streak today. I do more most days, too, though rarely more than five. I'm extending the holds when possible, too. It's cool to have the first 15 seconds and sometimes 30 feel pretty easy now. I can find deviations quite easily for my foot because most of the emphasis is on the torso.

If you'd like even more reason to feel guiltless for eating the food purveyors' wares, it's been found that customers who take samples are more likely to buy even pricier non-food items afterwards than ones who don't! Humans! Maybe I'm only partly human because I leave there plenty with nothing but greens and dairy. Almost everything else is in boxes or some kind of package.

Once again, where would our economy be if convenience and snack foods were eaten at the rate they "should" be? I'll have to ask my amateur economist friend.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez oolala, what is it with injuries to people approaching retirement age? I can relate, get well soon.

As to your supplemental health insurance to Medicare A/B, I'd suggest using an independent insurance broker, who isn't pushing one plan over another. We lucked out with a great agent, who showed us multiple plans, cost and benefits and how they compliment Medicare's coverage. As you approach that magic age(65), your phone will ring off the hook(probably) especially if you request info. online, or even through an 800-number to get quotes. Not pushing our plan over others, but we eventually went with Banker's Life, and very satisfied, plus Humana for prescription drugs. Our agent called late last year to see what drugs we'd changed or added, he then researched who would be best, and suggested the change to Humana.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no, hope you’re okay! Our Costco ppl don’t give any sales pitches. Maybe it’s an Arizona thing.

Feel better!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oolala -- sorry to hear about your foot! Hope that you continue to heal--don't rush it! And good on you for your continued success with the One Minute routine! I just love Wu's approach, and like you, have incorporated more minutes on most days, just because it's so doable. Consistency is most definitely the key! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, ladies. No Costco samples? I don't know whether I'd be happy not to have the temptation or sad not to get some bites sometimes. Confused

Regarding exercise: dammit! I had broken the record for my longest streak (10 days straight instead of 9! woo hoo!) and was even thinking of doing the exercise when I got home from a singing lesson in the evening, but forgot! Sad I gotta put a notification for that on my phone, too. Well, I had already forgotten another day in Feb. but felt for sure I'd get the rest of the month all done.

BTW, I did my minute before I wrote this post. Putting on some requisite chirpiness about it. I've exercised 25 of the last 27 days: 93% rounded. And some of those were longer.(Why do I feel the need to keep adding that? Am I convincing myself of my worthiness? I wish I could say it's just data,but there's a twitch inside that says no, it isn't. Emphasis on the rising "is.")

Looking forward to my lunch of leftover jackfruit (I had to look it up, too- or is some woman of the world here-no offense, men- who knew what it was? Aussies excepted) pot pie and a killer kale salad from a little place called Pop Pie. I couldn't quite tell what in the pie was the jackfruit, but it wasn't a sweet pie, and it was good! Pie crust feels a little decadent these days, so it was even more fun. Maybe it's wrong to have these little further delineations; so, shoot me at dawn!

BTW, the singing lesson was very interesting. I'm also in a musical theater class (it's called a master class, but I can guarantee you, I can't hear any masters in there. So much the better for my newbie ego.) I've had one other singing teacher, and they're all at least a bit different. How about that.
Razz again. I just realized that two of them are using operatic technique and the other is musical theater (duh). His approach is much more to ask for much more exuberance up front. I talked about my tender ego, but I'm actually now more able to set it aside. Dang it, I have only so many years to learn and enjoy my development left! I know that sounds morbid, but it's actually-and gawd, I hate this word- empowering. It's what made me able to commit to No S. Was I really going to keep being seduced by food for 60+ years instead of 40? (I don't count up to 20, when the brain is just cuckoo, and there wasn't much impetus to question the eating status quo.) Last night's teacher offers the group class every week for only 20 bucks. I will find out the charge for Jordan (m.t. teacher) and could add that on: I don't have any direct heirs, so I might as well dip into the fortune I have. Wink
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Your classes and your interests sound wonderful! I love the hobbies you pursue (whether it's this or cooking, or whatever). And maybe I'm not the one to listen to on finances Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing , but I say -- yes! dip into your coffers! You don't have to save/slave for kids' college!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

I really don't quite get how you have kept the weight off so long. I know that question sounds like - duh - since you journal here so regularly and have been an advisor for years for me, but seriously -- I can't even get into a normal BMI, despite never having been seriously overweight. What gives? Your BMI is enviable. Anyway, congrats on all these years of a TRULY changed lifestyle.
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I just couldn't stand the idea that food ruled me so much and that I would spend the rest of my life caught by it if I didn't get serious. I strove to keep redefining what moderation meant because it was so central to me. I couldn't let calories rule me, either. I kinda wanted to prove that you can do it just by living more like slim societies do and get similar results. Compulsive overeating had been my problem and the more time went on, the more I actually hated the idea of ever going back to it. Honestly, I would have traded the weight loss for some other things in life, but I would never have been willing to live so full and uncomfortable as I did for all those years. And I'm lucky that I enjoyed smaller amounts of dense food as time went on. Then a couple of years ago, I felt a little more anxious about growing old and having dementia. It is associated with fast food and sweets and has some other guidelines, but those two I cut way back on because the others were things to eat that I was pretty much already eating. I had already learned to fill out my meals with freggies before No S. I also wanted to not depend on doctored coffee between meals and I lost a little more over several months. And I sometimes eat even less on S days than I do during the week just because... I can.

And you know, it's typical for women to lose weight in their senior years. I'm there now! I suspect it's because life is so stressful for American women in middle age and they just eat more, even if its just by a little. I remember an article on some American women and French women somehow trading lives for a bit-don't ask me how- but the French women couldn't believe how much harder life seemed. I wish I could remember the details. But, I think it's also more stressful to eat cruddy food and we tend to eat lower quality food than they do.Stephan Guyenet said there's evidence that the body will raise its set point when a person ingests a lot of high reward/low nutrition food.

I think the less you have to lose, the harder it is. Try not to be too hard on yourself, but do see if you could shave off a bit of this or that without suffering too much. If not, coast for awhile.

I stopped partiipating much on a maintenance team on Spark because mosst ot the women were working hard - most still tracking after years!- to maintain at lower levels than I was at. It discouraged me because though they talked about health, I think appearance was the major factor, and I feel that has done such a number on the self-esteem of women that I want no part in advancing such an aspiration. Peers in my age/height cohort are not happy until they weigh about 10 lbs. less than I do. It's just nuts.
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Oglala: we have Costco samples but no sales pitch. Everyone just takes it and goes. Your jackfruit pot pie sounds amazing. I want to try that restaurant! Jackfruit is often used as a meat substitute. It’s not sweet and I’m not sure it has much taste but it’s got a good meaty texture.

Sounds like you’ve got some interesting things going on with singing classes and exercises.

I also am amazed at how woman are still so vain as they age. I keep looking forward to be able to relax those standards a bit but I’ve always been fairly low maintenance. I was telling my hair dresser about my weight loss goals and she said then “you can get a tummy tuck when you reach your goals”. Really? Why would I care that much about having a flat stomach? It’s not going to improve the quality of my life in the least. And she’s older than me and always trying these fancy face creams and stuff. Illl stick to my $10 facial wash from Trader Joe’s thank you very much. Anyways I hope she can feel more relaxed about her appearance at some point.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm absolutely terrified of stroke-related paralysis and dementia, but somehow, my fear has contributed to emotional eating instead of curbing my sugar consumption. Kudos to you for taking your health so seriously.
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Ask yourself calmly and rationally: can you be truly convinced if you eat in response? Are you suspecting down deep that you somehow will escape the consequences, as you know some people do? Or that you'll be delivered from it by a turn of circumstance, which could actually happen, by the way. It's just not predictable. Won't it be rectified later? Will you not find an easier way?
(See above.) That's usually what is going on when people use in spite of fear. They often say they don't care and they will accept the consequences, but if you put them in the middle of the consequences, they want out of the trade. They just don't believe it beforehand, like most people will take the trade of losing their mate 30 years later for the trade that they will very possibly lose them before they die. The pleasure of the moment puts them in denial.

Or this will make no sense or even piss you off or leave you dejected. In that case, I am truly apologize. Sometimes my spiritual teacher says some things, not necessarily directly to me, but still applying to me that leave me very down. But I love enough of the other stuff to keep going. I guess I'm in denial possibly there and hoping something will save me because I sure don't see it as something i can win the battle with, since I'tried so may weapons. I hold out for the RIGHT one.

Octavia, humans in general have a negative bias to begin with, for the reasons you noted. It served our ancestors well both in real situations of immanent death and later as death by not being accepted by the tribe on which survival depended as well. The ones who aren't innately positive are the exceptions or ones who have it so mildly that they have an easier time defeating it with a developed attitude (that may not see the situation correctly, BTW, but they feel better.) Sure, they say you can affect your happiness but the means to do that seem much harder to employ with immediate enough payoff to keep a lot of people practicing. In the mediation world I know, they have started to use an informal term- Velco. We are velcroed to our negative bias. It is NOT a weakness! I hear people say all the time with sober sadness, "I see things negatively so often." Just like some say gravely, as if it meant they are doomed, "I eat for emotional reasons," or I have an eating disorder," as if that completely defines them.(That was my thought process for a long time and one I had to give up.) Awhile ago I read about a male psychologist who got into the field working with anorexics and was surprised how much of the time other therapists focused on it. He started having success insisting on engaging the girls about other areas of their life, who they were beyond their disordered eating, what their life might be like when this wasn't an issue. My life beyond it turned out to be another set of problems. I am currently dipping my toe into the pool of who is beyond that identity.

I am rereading a book that is supposed to be for families of substance abusers who say it's actually better to think of the person as having disordered drinking or disordered substance use. (Yes, sure, some substances are probably very unlikely to be used in an orderly way, but you'd be surprised how many disordered drinkers 1) get well on their own, and 2) end up being able to drink at times and not go overboard. They talk a lot about how people really change and how non linear it is, depending on so many factors. It was very helpful to me to see myself as both a person to be helped, with myself doing the helping, and as a person to help others when I read the book.

I saw an interesting movie based in the true story of a high level bank employee in Canada who stole 10 MILLION dollars from the bank to fuel a gambling addiction in Las Vegas and went to jail for it. (I think the casino he visited got in trouble, too, as it became obvious that they knew he was stealing the money and kept luring him back.) While in jail towards the end of the movie, he attend therapy. Here is a conversation he and the therapist had (don't know if it's true, but he's been out of prison and apparently isn't "using."

Psychologist: How would you rate the thrill you got from gambling, on a scale of one to 100?

Dan Mahowny: Um... hundred.

Psychologist: And what about the biggest thrill you've ever had outside of gambling?

Dan Mahowny: Twenty.

Psychologist: How do you feel about that?

Dan Mahowney: It's okay.

He was willing to put up with the discrepancy because he wanted a regular life more. He ended up marrying his long-suffering girlfriend and moving into relative obscurity.

I say this because honestly, NOTHING has ever replaced the intense excitement and rush I got and still get at times from eating certain foods, and the sheer convenience of acquiring them. Everything else that might compete took a lot of time or certain situations or both and often a lot more money. It's said that the first few bites of anything are the best with waning satisfaction beyond that. Well, I could go WAY beyond that and still get a thrill from the taste and texture in spite of the growing discomfort in my tummy and the heavy feeling all over. For the most part now, I now know where it goes, and THAT I don't want, so I stop beforehand. Having the vision of not wanting it and believing that just because I did it at times didn't mean I wasn't making progress getting it under control kept me going. Even if it looks discouraging to see how long it might take, whats's the alternative? I gave up and gave in for nearly 40 years. I knew what that was like. I just HAD to see what life would be like without it. Turns out it's still not a party, but I don't regret the change or effort.

Lots of times when I write something like this, I feel I'm on the verge of seeing a clear way to how to use the same lens to view my problems with anger, defensiveness, paranoia, etc. But the bright line is not as obvious as three plates a day and extras on S days. The urges to eat in between meals are nothing compared to the quick, intense rush of adrenaline in the face of my quick irrational thoughts. I can so easily look at the situation later and see clearly how I could have reacted, but even when I try that, the response I get doesn't meet my expectation for speed and cooperation, so I don't feel the same reinforcement as I did for No S, and the intense reaction comes, just later. I liked my meals and felt better soon, though intermittently. But I could see the possibilities, so I kept going.

Not so much with my other identities. With them, it's more like I just have to live with the bingeing because though I do see the down side, I don't see much but bandaids for the problem. So bandaids it is for now; one of the bandaids is just putting up with it until things feel better.

Not the first time I've laid it out here.

But it IS possible to divorce eating from all this.

One of the reasons I sometimes consider more radical strategies than No S is just as I read of some people being delivered from the urges by some diet or therapy, I sometimes wonder if a lot of my thinking problems may be very much related to how I'm eating even though it's basically under control. If I went keto, would I really stop having these moods as well as stop feeling the druggy reaction to sweets, as some advocates claim? I guess I don't believe enough to put up with a remedy that looks like a lot more pain than No S . Maybe their right; maybe I'm addicted to starch. But since I feel it's basically under control- I can have lots of grains, potatoes, beans, and starchy squash all cooked up in the fridge and still have reasonable amounts at meals and no snacking in between. If I'm in denial and that's addiction, I can live with it. A high percentage of people live until 90 and beyond and without my mood issues do just that.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala, very interesting reading. Are you truly saying that food has been more emotionally satisfying than say, a love relationship?
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Thanks Oolala for sharing all this - it’s touchingly honest and very interesting, every word.

I definitely see the wisdom in the approach of the psychologist you mentioned, who engaged his anorexic patients with things other than their eating disorder. It reminds me of something I read in one of Claire Weekes’ anxiety books - how in one visit to a patient, all they talked about was the shade of red paint the patient wanted to use on their front door. That was a healing conversation.

I’m saying to myself right now, I’m more than my chocolate addiction! More than the low-level anxiety that dogs me! In fact, the more I look outwards, and forget myself, the stronger I feel. Not easy to do this, though! But to prove the point, I’m now going to look up a bird of prey I saw the other day. Just because. It’s only a mild curiosity and not a euphoric passion (a level 20 thrill, not a 100!) but let’s see where it leads! 🙂
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Linda, you're right in step with your peers. Women do have higher weight ideals as they age. Women at my age/height aren't completely happy with their weight until they weigh 129. Women at X weight want to weigh Y. Women at Y weight want to weigh Z. Interesting, the lighter women want to weigh more until they get to 129, too. NOT going to happen here without a serious disease or an unlikely famine.

At age 24, it's 120 lbs. But it's still pretty punishing since only 6% of women at my age weigh 129; certainly not me. At age 24, it's about 22%. Still leaves 80% unsatisfied. I haven't weighed 120 since I was 12! I was about 130 in my freshman year of high school and wished I could lose. And I was an inch taller. But I didn't make any serious efforts to lose until age 18. Just bewailed my size.

Strawberry, I've been in romantic relationships for less than 10 years in the 44 of my adult life- not by aspiration- so food has had a chance to make itself known a lot more! And there's been only one that felt like "the one:" he didn't agree after a few months, though he was pretty gracious about it. Sure, I'd take romance over food, but it's a lot less in my control. And I've done a TON of online dating, even P.O Box dating that preceded it! It just hasn't been in the cards, is all I can think. And there was only once that I thought, well this is good enough, when I reached 40, but he backed out, too, after a few years, but it was to save me from his eventual descent into alcoholism, which he had been controlling for most of his adult life in secret.

So, anyone for peach cobbler? Cool
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...well I decided that the bird was a Red Kite. Then got sidetracked into researching luminescence! Thrill level rose a little. Maybe to 25!

Oh Gosh, romance and food. What a Pandora’s Box! ‘Give yourself what you really need,’ they said. ‘Ask yourself what you really want,’ they said. Well then, I’ll have that gorgeous man in accounts. And a pay rise. 😉

Peach cobbler is sounding great...I’m in! 😊
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Oh, the lists I made! The paragraphs I wrote describing the life I wanted as if it already was, as was recommended! The money and time and heart I spent! Much like diets: might work for a few, but mostly selling dreams with testimonials. Sure, there are testimonials here; this was based on one except the eating plan is based on millions!
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Just wanted to say this is the best “diet” board ever because it’s so much more than that. I love reading all of your thoughts and insights. ❤️
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I agree with Linda! This is Saturday night reading, ladies!!! Who says we aren't philosophical, Oolala! Laughing
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I’ve really been enjoying these conversations, too! 🙂
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Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply, oolala. I agree with the others that this is the most supportive group of people I have ever met 😊
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Cheers, all!

Had a big lunch yesterday at the end of an Indian cooking class I go to periodically. Also nibbled a lot of the way through, which we don't usually do, but it was at a different venue and snacky things were set our plus we had some people there different from the usual crowd who were fond of talking about getting a lot of food out and eating all of it at one time because it was so good. All of the food the intense, high reward food that's out there. There was also a lot of talk about fat being bad for you while absolutely revering these makeshift dessert affairs pretty much all sugar/refined starch as if they were better. The group was the heaviest we've ever had, too. I guess I didn't realize until now how much I felt buffeted on the inside from what amounted to be the flip/flop diet/excess talk of our culture.

Normally after that class, I would often not have any food for the rest of the day because there was no real hunger even though I might still want the experience of eating. I ate even more than I normally do and yet I did want that experience and had some nibbles in the evening instead of ignoring them. The really annoying part about it for me is that it hangs around as an issue and takes up mental energy. But that may just be the human dilemma. I know there is a story in Zen of people coming to their priest to complain about this or that, and he said you're always going to have 52 problems, meaning it's not about solving all the problems but in how to not let them rule. If it's not one thing, it's another, and all that. I bet it's in the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Rigveda, too.

I took all my anti-cold stuff last night and this morning and stlll feel vulnerable, though better after a morning nap. Damn, I've got my music class showcase a week from Friday. If a cold is going to happen, it needs to happen and get past the worst before then! But I also don't want that to happen because I got lax.

And I'm a bit peeved because the reminders I put on my phone to do my exercise yesterday somehow hit a blind spot. I had put it to read "report S's and 1 min" and just sort of blanked on what the 1 min. was. But I don't want to be peeved over such a small thing. I guess I'm whining about how long it actually takes a target habit to become a habit enough that it really does become automatic because there is mental energy involved. Then I start wondering if I'm spending it where I should be. But I don't want to get caught up in that drama, either.

All just blatherings here, ladies. By the time you read this, I'll be in a different state of mind.
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Lol- I like the blatherings. I sure hope that the states of mind you are in now is more peaceful/exciting/fun... or just better. Smile

About the cold- 2 people in my family had a bit of congestion for 2 days. They each took some OTC cold medicine (I remember one said Advil Cold and Sinus) and then it was gone. Fingers crossed it will be the same for you!
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Holding steady, knock on wood.

Had a little bit of a setback in my singing class. Both songs I wanted to do are written in a key too high for me. We basically use background music on the internet for our songs. The teacher (Jordan) said it would be hard to find some music already produced out there that would be in a lower key, which I had asked him is possible. One of the songs that had been a solo has gotten divvied up among all of us so the key problem is not as much of an issue, except that at the end of class, Jordan said he would work with me on some of the higher notes, meaning apparently, I wasn't hitting them. Embarassed I think I knew I wasn't but I guess I thought it wasn't terribly obvious. The other was song I was excited about. However, I feel like I'm screeching it a lot of the time when I practice. I got kind of discouraged because I know several songs I would like to sing but it's getting the right background music that's in the way. So now I'm looking for men's tenor songs. (I started on a site that had many alto songs for women, but I haven't liked many of them.)
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Right, orange box time for me. Why are so many women’s songs written in men’s keys - ie. too high for us to sing them up the octave? It’s such a pain! There are so few where the original key is right for us. The theory is that it means the printed music doesn’t have too many ledger lines. But flute music has loads of ledger lines and it’s not a problem. My own theory is that it’s a conspiracy so that female singers are always needing to ask for help from someone who can transpose the music! Grrrr!

Rant over! Apologies.

I think those high notes are always really difficult, if they take you into a soprano sort of register. Maybe your teacher wants to work on the tone of the note, rather than the pitch, so it’s more blended with the rest of your voice? Like, he wants to get more (or less) chest quality or something? That doesn’t mean you are sounding bad or out of tune. 🙂

Have you got the iReal app? It’s got all the songs from the ‘American songbook’ repertoire, written down as ‘charts’ with chord symbols, and you can not only print the charts to give to live musicians, but can play them as backing tracks - they give you piano, bass and drums. You can transpose them into any key and choose any speed!

Singing in front of others is so terrifying! I bet you’re doing great.
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Wow, someone who actually knows about music. Unlike me, who's never bothered to actually learn that part.

Unless Jordan has an idea,and I think he won't because he wants us to pick our own, I think I'm going to do "I Am What I Am." It was originally a Shirley Bassey song, but got taken up as a gay anthem. I hope people can see it as a universal declaration of self-affirmation. I've sung along to all the versions I saw on youtube. The only karaoke version of it is corny-starts off bouncy, instead of pensive.

I'm actually not scared about it. I just don't want to be worse than I can be.
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Love that song!!!! Love Shirley Bassey!!! You’ll be fabulous!! 👏🏼👏🏼🍾
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Here, here- she IS fabulous!

It's so great to see women living out their other interests in life (besides the one we all have in common around food)! It's very inspiring oolala!

I can't wait to hear how it all goes.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You go get 'em, girl ! Very Happy

Love that song as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Declaring a NWS day. A friend invited me to an event tonight that will involve spread out appetizers and dessert. I eat S's only among others, even on S days so I'm doing it. Got only one event with others planned on an S day this weekend.
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There is no S better than Vanilla No S.
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