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Wow! Congratulations and thanks for the lovely pictures!

What a cute baby. Maybe we'll set her up with our little guy some day.

Reinhard

Got it! Thanks. No, they'll never stop... though they do seem to have slowed down a bit. Probably just a lull before another major offensive.

(belated) welcome back! I'm sorry I somehow missed this thread till now. My excuse is one I think you might be able to related to: we had another child in September and I'm just now emerging from the haze of sleep deprivation and frantic overstretchedness on all fronts. I remember you very well and ...

I'm OK with "a meal called snack" for kids. Something with parameters and a little formality around it, that you sit down for and eat from a plate or a bowl. It's the informal permasnacking that's the real danger. It would be nice if there were distinct terms for these distinct activities in general...

I haven't seen this particular book, but I've long admired Ben Franklin's approach -- very "everyday systems." His 13 virtues and method for tracking them are a point of inspiration for the HabitCal. I look forward to the notion of virtue in general (and these charming old names for individual virtu...

Thanks for letting us know about how you combined No-s and IF -- very impressive results! And there's certainly a lot of historical precedent for fasting in many/most/maybe even all religious traditions. My fear is that it might be an easy avenue of abuse to those with serious eating disorders (thin...

So great to hear, wosnes. Steep drops are nice, but nothing makes me happier than evidence that "it's still working" even after many years.

Reinhard

Thanks, LA_Loser! (and welcome back!)

That's wonderful! Congratulations!

About how long have you been on No-S?

Reinhard

Blasted this shortly after you reported it -- sorry for the delayed acknowledgement here!

Amen. If I had to pick one system of all the everyday systems to follow, urban ranger would be it. It's useful, it's safe, it's healthy, it's psychological and spiritual and intellectual exercise. I actually do run a bit now, and I enjoy it. But it's amazing to me how injury prone an activity it is....

For most of my no-s tenure (about 10 years) I weighed only very occasionally to sanity check the number I posted on the home page. If you can pull it off, I recommend this. Obsessing over scale numbers is unhealthy and can sabotage your efforts. A far greater proportion of human beings were thin bef...

I agree with wosnes that #1 is preferable for most people -- but if it's not an option, people here have pulled off #2 successfully. I lost all my weight on #1 and sustained it for a decade. #2 (for me) is just an experiment to get a detailed sense of my range. This podcast might have some helpful t...

Welcome, suz! In terms of the scale issue, there are two diametrically opposed approaches, either of which can be successfully deployed depending on your temperament. 1. avoid/minimize/destroy the scale. People managed to stay thin long before scales were invented. Compulsive scale stepping can unhi...

Although I haven't been systematic about it, I've noticed that effect too: brushing your teeth after a meal is a great "punctuation mark." Probably not bad for your teeth, either.

Hey, at least you caught yourself 20 pounds from your max. It is tempting to say "I don't need to diet anymore!" once you've achieved your target weight. And if we lived in a non "obesogenic" society, with traditional meal structures and cultural support for moderate eating, I'd agree with you. But ...

Please join me in congratulation Friscobob on another 2 years of successful no-essing! (maintaining a 40+ pound loss)

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic ... 387#133387

Friscobob -- that is great to hear! Nothing makes me happier than long term maintenance success stories. It may not be flashy, but "more of the same" is better (and rarer) news than sudden precipitous drops. Thanks for swinging by again to keep us posted and best of luck keeping on keeping on, Reinh...

Thanks, Graham. Yes, DavidSmith789 is part of a new breed of spambots. It's very clever -- they copy bits of text that have already been posted to the target bulletin board. So in a sense, it's real, (semi-) relevant content -- just plagiarised. At a quick glance it seems to fit, but usually when yo...

I think Woody Allan has the authoritative word on this subject: From Sleeper, 1973: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070707/quotes Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk." Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed subs...

Got em. Thanks again. I need to budget a day to upgrade the bulletin board, figure out how to pluging the login with habitcal, etc. I made a few stabs already but it's been trickier than anticipated.

This is a tricker issue... A bunch of the time I guess it would be unproblematic to delete the whole thread, but sometimes spam prompts a genuine, even thoughtful response. It takes a bit of judgement to make the call as to whether it's worth preserving. But it is a problem, you're right, to just co...

Got it oolala53, thanks! Graham -- I think I'm going to err on the side of crushing this stuff. If I'm a wee bit careful, I think it's extremely unlikely that legitimate users should be affected. My suspicion is that the pattern you describe is completely bot generated. And even if not, I have no co...

2 new testimonials to report, one rather overdue. Forgive the self-plagiarism from facebook. "Slow and steady wins the race." If you have kids, I bet you've read the story of the tortoise and the hare to them a bunch of times, perhaps with a pang of conscience at how you've failed to apply its simpl...

Jake, Congratulations and thank you for posting here! It's been a little while since we've had a male testimonial here -- funny I remember the days when people were concerned that it only seemed to work for men. Great to hear that you're doing shovelglove as well. And that you've been able to achiev...

Thanks again, guys. I think what I might do is have a script that runs regularly looking for suspicious content and blasting it (an anti spam bot). The trick is how to avoid collateral damage... but it's getting to the point where draconian tactics are required. Please do keep posting here -- it def...

What does it say about me that my first response to this thread title was puzzlement about why Mark Bittman should be interested in Visual Basic 6?

Yeah, I always took him for more of a perl 5 guy.

It's certainly no-s compatible, and some of the psychology (need for simple rules) is shared (and he's even into oatmeal!), but for the most part I'm with leafy greens. But I could see taking elements of it. Maybe vegan before six unless eating with company. Or VB6 except on S-days. Personally not t...

Reduced to urban ranger.... well, at least that's something!

Welcome back to shovelglove! Hope your reentry has been smooth and satisfactory so far.

Congratulations and thank you for letting us know! I particularly loved this part: When I first found No S I lost some weight and learned not only to enjoy my meals again, but also to look forward to eating with my family, which I had previously dreaded. As for: My motivation is wanting my daughter ...

Got em, thanks!

I never thought I'd be so Nancy Reagan about it, but Just Say No is a pretty good strategy for limiting food simply.

I think "just be Nancy Reagan about it" may have to make it to the catch phrase glossary.

Got it. Thanks, SpiritSong!

No worries about the panic, oolala53. Good reminder to me to be careful.

Got your two (and just your two!), Graham, thanks!

This is the thread, right?

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6562

Actually, I think the thread is OK... (double checking now). The link above is a "post" link (to a deleted post) but I think the thread is still there. I'll post here when I dig up what I think it was just to make sure.

Wait, did you get rid of the entire thread? It was about a young woman who lost around 60 pounds and ended her BED. The spam post was just the last one...

Ooops. Misfire...

Time to test my backup system.

Reinhard

Got em. Thanks again!

NoSRocks has some impressive numbers to post -- and an interesting reversal of the order in which people traditionally tend to approach diet (first lose, then maintain).

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9304

Wow, that was quite a workout for the trigger finger. Thanks all! Upping priority for figuring out improved automated anti-spam mechanism... I'd love to be able to upgrade the entire phpbb but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to tap into the new login mechanism to keep habitcal working. Reinh...

NoSRocks, Congratulations on your tremendous, sustained achievement and thank you for letting us know! It's very interesting to me how your no-s experience divides into two important phases: vanilla to check the gain, then extra focus on S-days to push into active losing. A lot of times people think...

I do have a mac. I use all three of the big browsers frequently and though I haven't tested methodically, I haven't noticed any issues with the site. The poll thing is confusing, though, even when it works, so hopefully that is all that's going on.

I got this to work just now:

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9290

The funny thing was that I needed a subject, a message body, a poll question, and multiple poll answers, and "preview" didn't work. But when I submitted everything, the poll showed up.

Just trying to figure out how this works again...

I haven't done it in so long I don't remember... Let me give it a shot now.

Got em. Thanks again!

Got em! Thanks, Deb!

Funny how "kitchens" have replaced porn in spambot-land. A positive development, I guess?

Good idea. Done....

I'm going to demote a couple of the lesser viewed stickies because it's getting crowded up there.

Got it! Thanks!

Looks like I'm going to have to upgrade my automated spam defenses again soon.

In the meantime I appreciate all the posts here.

Reinhard

Glad to hear it! Feel free to post a link here if you think it might help others.

Please join me in congratulating "Sweetness" on her 10-12 pound loss (and great new habits):

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9265

Nice! Very resourceful.

Hope it's a strong pack and doesn't send projectiles flying in all directions!

You could easily adapt it to get some leg workout as well (put the weighted pack on!).

Reinhard

Got em! Thanks again.

Congratulations, sweetness! Sounds like you're doing well on many fronts!

The key thing is to see what you're eating in front of you at once, so you can learn to eyeball excess. A plate is helpful to provide scale, but an imaginary plate will do if you don't have a real one handy. If for some reason you can't put it all in front of you at once (they bring out the soup bef...

Thanks, Graham! Got the links... now to scratch my head about alexjhon and marylin.

If only I'd made the No-s diet a touch crazier I would have been rich. :-) Still, this is encouraging in the sense that any movement away from permasnacking is encouraging. For most people these days, not eating between meals *IS* a kind of fast. (break-fast has got it built right into the name!) So...

We had 2 feet ourselves in Feb. Great reminder of the practical value of those shovelglove muscles. I sometimes think someone should coordinate some exercise club/charity that goes around shoveling snow for other people and similar physical tasks, depending on the season, kind of like a volunteer, a...

[very belated] welcome!

sorry... I've had no time to work on this, much as I'd like to. The webapp version is functional, but seems to have sporadic login issues.

Congratulations on the 22 pounds! (and sorry about the fridge!) As you've discovered, good thing about the 14 minutes is that it's easier to swap in fridge friendlier activities if need be. Looking forward to some warmer weather myself (though all this snow has been a great excuse to put my shoveglo...

The new spambots are clever -- they crawl the site and generate posts recycling words and phrases specific to the site so they sound very convincing. The goal is to get you to let your guard down and click whatever link they're peddling.

Reinhard

Got pamsalters, thanks!

Yeah, I bet kettlebells would be pretty close (and mainstream enough now that it might actually show up as an option).

Congratulations! Not exactly the easiest time of year to lose weight, either!

Hi LockieKermit, First off, I wouldn't worry about setting performance goals like that at all -- focus on a "sustainable minimum of compliance" to make sure you build a habit that can last decades. Second, 30 pounds is crazy heavy. It might not sound like it, but centripetal force makes it so. I'm n...

Long-time board member Noel has had a great year!

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9117

Reinhard

I don't know... I think I'm hearing some rocky music. :-) 22 pounds in a year is plenty -- and the fact that you've got a full year on habit after many previous years of experimentation is huge. I am very impressed and happy for you, Noel! Thank you for letting us know and best wishes for 2013. Rein...

And here's December 2012: Mon Dec 10: shovelglove-s day (resting my back -- swinging a sledgehammer around is nothing compared to juggling a newborn) Mon Dec 17: tasks failure. Neglected to knock off a work task. Sat Dec 22: tasks failure. Forgot to change the cat litter and put off some Christmas p...

Been a while again! Here's nov 2012, transcribed from my index cards: Mon Nov 12: No-s and shovelgove S-day (veterans day) Friday Nov 16: Shovelglove S-day (vacation) Sat Nov 17: Glass ceiling failure (1 drink over the limit) Thursday Nov 22: No-s and shovelglove S-day (Thanksgiving). Glass ceiling ...

Got him! Thanks, Deb!

So sad... thanks for the link.

A number of people over the years have expressed interest in a No S Audiobook and as a big audiobook listener myself, I'd love to record one, but (until now) I had no idea where to start. I was reading over the No S Diet reviews on amazon when I noticed the following message, right above the book de...

Got it! Thanks. I actually added the term "kitchens" to my spambot registration detector but they must be adding them after registration. Might be time to shake up the logic of my simple phrase completion test since it seems like they've been defeating it with increasing frequency lately... (pity --...

I've been bad about keeping this thread updated again... (I've been posting testimonials to facebook and forgetting to put them here as well. I should probably figure out some kind of feed thing to stick them both places at once...) Anyway, here's the latest: What's the most important component of d...

Congratulations! Numbers are nice, but the qualitative validation from that trainer is beautiful. Great to see, once again, how something as simple as focusing on "compliance" can make such a difference. (I too, have a much harder time with glass ceiling than with my other systems) Thanks for sharin...

Nice idea! But I think the trick will be how to handle the "dinner guest" conundrum. If you cook for yourself it's easy, but if others are cooking for you or you have others' palates to please it's hard.

Reinhard

Belated welcome, Williac! (and happy new year)

I'm impressed at the progress you've made despite the utter lack of any encouragement here (sorry for my negligence -- things have been a little crazy on the domestic front lately).

Best of luck and looking forward to hearing more,

Reinhard

Got 'em! Thanks, idon'tknow.

Congratulations! Thanks for letting us know.

Yes! Got them. Thanks Lady Crimson and Heidi.

Congratulations on your tremendous and sustained achievement! Nothing makes me happier than to hear successful old timers say No-s is still working for them. I know that all too often surgery isn't the silver bullet people would like it to be so I'm delighted you've been able to combine the two appr...

Congratulations! It's great to see no-s working for very athletic people as well. 10 marathons? My IT band hurts just thinking about it. :-) Friends would tell me I was being too strict Friends are so helpful like that, aren't they? :-) Thanks so much for all the detail and bigger picture thoughts a...

Got pigwow and sansandd. Thanks, Too Solid and Deb! Keep em coming. I just set it to "notify me when a reply is posted" so hopefully next time it'll take me less than a week.

Kathleen, I'm so happy you're still tenaciously at it, stubbornly accumulating and applying self-knowledge. It's so easy to just up and quit when our sense of perfection is offended. You didn't, and you're wiser (and lighter!) for it.

Have a great Christmas and new year,

Reinhard

Nice! Thanks for letting us know.

(assuming the world does not end tomorrow).

So far so good -- Keeping my fingers crossed!

Reinhard

Just passed 500. I think I'm at moderately cool junior high student level now (though they're probably using something cooler than facebook these days).

Your call! I think I have done this at some point over the years, though not every time.

Enjoy, either way.

Reinhard

got it! Thanks.

Hi glassesgirl,

This is on the iphone? I haven't changed anything in a while and it seems to be working OK for me. Maybe worth trying again when you get a chance?

Reinhard

It actually fits surprisingly well (long and narrow).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... aysyste-20

Reinhard

Hi folks, Many apologies for being so out of it recently, bulletin-board-wise. As some of you know, we've got a infant at home and our older girls had to spend some time in the ER recently (everybody's doing great now). Besides not being able to properly attend to the many great posts you all have b...

Congratulations, ironchef! I'm so sorry it's taken me this long to pop by -- we had some medical issues (2 kids in the same ER on the same day for totally unrelated reasons) that were very distracting (everyone's doing fine now). And thanks for all the quantitative/procedural detail! Regarding scale...

Congratulations! That is wonderful news. And I'm so impressed that you stuck with it through all your difficulties. Sure there were some fallings-off, but you came back again and again despite these. To my mind that's even more impressive than if you'd never run into difficulties, and a surer sign t...

Nice!

Welcome and congratulations on an impressive start!

(And sorry I've been so out of it the last few weeks -- we just had a kid and he doesn't seem to understand yet that dad needs time to diddle with his internet bulletin boards.)

Reinhard

Welcome! When I can't use a physical shovelglove, I use my "spiritual shovelglove" and do 14 minutes of whatever I can make work under the circumstances, "14 minutes of anything" -- simple bodyweight exercises like pushups and squats if nothing else. You'd be amazed at how utterly exhausting these c...

Congratulations! Both on the no-s diet and (especially) the baby front! We have a two-month old ourselves are I'm very sympathetic (and envious -- you got an easy one???). Although I hesitate to recommend any diet to new and expecting mothers, it's very encouraging to hear how well it's been working...

Hi Jules,

Thanks for checking in and best of luck on your "re-dedication!"

If it's any comfort, seconds are the hardest S for me as well.

Reinhard

Hi Too solid,

I use the "table view" instead of the calendar view (currently tracking 5 habits but have been as high as 7 and I think the view could accommodate a lot more).

Reinhard

Thank you, Deb! Another long stretch, but again fortunately I've been scrawling my transgressions on my daily cards. Monday Sept 3: Memorial day -- shovelglove and No-s s-day. Sept 8: tasks failure (eyepatch again -- glass half full view of my imperfect compliance on this one: I shudder to think how...

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