Everyday Systems

kccc

You know how when you don't really go overboard but it feels overboard somehow? I know that feeling! When I eat mindlessly, or for "the wrong reasons." I'm beginning to wonder, for myself, in the interests of habit, if snacking should be more "Special" than weekends. For me too. Keeping to the 3-me...

kccc

Whether you lose/gain on this kind of food depends on where you started, and what you were doing before. A lot of people have "rebound" effect when they first start No-S and eat foods that are "forbidden" on other diets. And that's okay for a while, just to get it out of your system. And - even more...

kccc

Update: I totally let myself go on these my two first s days. To the point of eating when not hungry and sweets just 'because i could'. Now I can't wait for the N days to start! Roll on Monday! That is one reason not to worry to much about S-days. Even the over-the-top ones are a learning experienc...

kccc

Mom was released about 1PM on Friday. I left for home Saturday afternoon, and am back. Now I have a dr's appointment for me today (Monday), so am a little off schedule... but kind of like having an extra day at home. (I took sick leave for the day, but will probably do some work anyway.) Saturday......

kccc

A little tired, but very content with life at this moment. Thanks for sharing the good news about your mom. I hope you are taking good care of yourself in this very difficult time. http://www.pcollins.com/upload/Emotions4/comfort2.gif Lol! Oh, yes, I am taking care of myself, BA - thank you! No-s i...

kccc

Good for you!! Congratulations on this break-through. You will get some "push back" from the kids, but hold tight - they'll adjust, and it will be such a gift to them in the long run. I use the term "creating a no-S-friendly environment" to describe "clearing out the junk". It really does help when ...

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Noel, Fun, thanks! Everything seems to be checking out okay on the new pacemaker. We're waiting on the doctor to come to release Mom now. She had a good night, and seems fine. Dad and I stayed here (he will NOT leave when she's in the hospital, but knows he can't hear her if she needs something, so ...

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Thanks, IDK and Berry. Today has just been a lovely, lovely day... after about 9:30 our time, when the dr came out to say that it all went well. :) We've just been hanging out with Mom in her hospital room. I've been on the computer when she's sleeping... keeping up with work email, starting on taxe...

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I'm glad your Mom's procedure went well. Thanks, Kevin. Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only now that it's over can I admit how scared I really was. Last August she wnt in for a "routine" heart cath and ended up with an emergency bypass and nearly died. Her recovery took months...it was a really frightening ...

kccc

BrightAngel, I'm not sure I agree. There used to be a cultural acceptance of feasting and fasting. Maybe there is a human need for feasting. I got an out of print book called Fast and Feast: Food in Medieval Society by Bridget Ann Henisch, and while I haven't read all of it, I have gotten the drift...

kccc

Decided to make last night's dinner a treat, and stopped by Trader Joe's and got sushi, peanut-ginger noodles, and nori snacks. Delish! Then I drove the 2 hours to my folks. Today, we're at the hospital - Mom's having a pacemaker put in. Had to leave the house at 4 AM, so am tired. Will be doing "re...

kccc

Whew! You didn't post for a few days, and I was a little worried that I'd crossed the line from friendly (if unsolicited) advice to annoying interference. It's sometimes hard to judge online.

Hope you're having a good time with your dad.

kccc

Kathleen, I also want to respond to something in your long post... It may be my Catholic faith being imaginative, but I think a portion control approach may be downright evil. Those who try to practice it are well-intentioned in their efforts to lose weight and control their appetite, which means --...

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Hang in there. Some thoughts/ideas: Can you "dial it back" for a bit, to a level where you CAN succeed? Maybe plan in a "mini-meal" at 11:00 for a bit? I did that when I first started, because I was SO used to grazing all the time, and one snack (for me, it was 4:00) was very hard to drop. But I lim...

kccc

Dinner last night was stir-fry with the chicken and sliced onion, couscous, peas'n'carrots, and sliced apples and pears. I did get in my 10,000 steps, but only through a rather ludicrous amount of marching in place while folding laundry, etc. (I've decided that if I can't make 10,000 steps on the da...

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Bump for new folks!

kccc

Breathe. Deeply. :) I am not sure that I can address binge eating thoroughly enough, except to say that some folks have reported that No-S has helped them a great deal. But I will try to make generally helpful remarks. If you are still this early in the program, you're in what I call the "establishi...

kccc

I have been using the "punch cards" and they have really been helping me get a lot of work done, because I want that "gold star" at the end of the day. What is this? I haven't heard this, can you fill me in? ~reneew - it's one of R's other Everyday Systems, for time management. For a good descripti...

kccc

In fact, they forbid it.... but they allow processed food, which is LOADED with salt. Go figure. It does take time for tastebuds to adjust. And drastic change is much harder to make than gradual change. But the tastebuds do adjust. I've noticed on No-S that less sugar during the week has resulted in...

kccc

You are stellar daughters. That's very kind of you, oolala. Really, we've got it down to a routine now and it's not that hard at this point. And it's just what needed to be done. Figuring out what we needed to do to manage this diet and locating resoures was the hard part... and in that MOST people...

kccc

Yesterday - went to the cafeteria. One plate of various things, mostly veggie. And I allowed myself an extra coffee after. :) Dinner - as planned except we had sweet potatoes, not baking. So we had sweet potato rounds (baked with a sprinkle of cinnamon), sliced pears, and salad. Today Exercise - wal...

kccc

Of course it makes it less likely that people will go for seconds, but what about food they're already planning on eating? A plate, bowl, glass and cutlery, along with belongings that you brought into the cafeteria with you, makes a tray necessary. I sense there will be a lot of broken dishes and s...

kccc

"You should see my blood work, it's pristine!" I love that. ... I also got a kick out of the "kid of hippies" who at 25 had an endocrinologist, ate fish, poultry, pork, etc. but not beef because he didn't want to stray to far from his parents??? I bet that makes the pigs feel better. :lol: I though...

kccc

Hi, IDK, I have a whole host of inner characters, though not as well-realized as Miss Hartshorne or Madame Bonnevie (Noel's character). One of mine is the "Inner Critic." Officially , he's banished... but he sneaks back a lot. ;) Just a thought... if Mrs POM is unhappy, perhaps you should ask her wh...

kccc

Unfortunately, most people don't take their restrictions seriously enough to do anything about it. The doctor has been very complimentary about how well we've adhered to the guidelines, and has credited how well mom has recovered to that level of compliance. But it's incredibly hard. I'm not surpri...

kccc

I don't know why, but I'm surprised that it was difficult to find an angel food cake that met the requirements. There's typically very little sodium in them. The cake actually did meet the requirements, which is why my sis got it for them. It's just that after having very little salt for months now...

kccc

My variant of that (stolen from someone else on the board, whom I'd credit if my memory were better) is to have a "non-idiotic" calendar. I use it to track ONLY days that are listed as Failures and S-days on my regular Habitcal. Green is "minor", yellow "watch it", red is "over the top idiocy". I al...

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Thank you Kevin and Sienna. I meant to add in my original post that we do know 'Glee' is not an accurate representation of schools in the US or anywhere else (thankfully!). However, this is something which is seen in quite a few teen shows - I suppose it's simply a dramatic device to show which cha...

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I am sure that there would be a market for a chain of restaurants that offered "no salt added" food with full nutritional info on EVERYthing, for people who have health concerns. Background... My mom has recently had bypass surgery, and is on a low-salt diet. It's not THAT low, technically - 1500-20...

kccc

Went out with the guys instead of doing the tuna melts... and did the Friday night slide. But even though I did taper off on Sunday like I'm s'posed to, it felt like a failure. I think b/c I ate less mindfully and more "out of stress" than I like. So, I've put it down as a fail on my Habitcal. Frida...

kccc

My institution is new, and just opened it's dining hall. No trays from day one.

I like it on a lot of levels.

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Nicest, I did the same. I also differentiate strongly between "snacks" and "treats." Snacks are usually fruit, occasionally yogurt, and are eaten when genuinely hungry. Treats are usually a small dessert after dinner. And I think that PROVIDING regular meals takes care of a lot of the desire for sna...

kccc

Starla wrote:Success (for me) is figuring out ways to succeed instead of finding excuses for failure, especially when it comes to exercise.

Awesome quote! It should go on the "Sticky" quote thread.

kccc

I haven't been keeping up mostly because it's just been failure after failure, though many have been just an errant biscuit or such. The upshot is this morning I was just a pound up from my "holding' wieght of the past few months. It's good that you kept the failures small and were able to hold you...

kccc

Hi KCCC, I'm very happy for you to post that to your thread - glad it might be of use. I'm finding the book very good. Enough to make me go out at lunchtime yesterday and buy the DVD of the TV series. I have watched two episodes so far and I'm finding it both moving and gripping (but I like that so...

kccc

Managed to avoid the cardboard pizza with the thought of my nice dinner awaiting me. I had banana (forgot I'd intended to have pear) and salad with my cheese and crackers. It was so good I decided to have it again for lunch today. :) AAAND... I managed to get my 10,000 steps (by walking around the h...

kccc

Thanks, KCCC. I think that would be a good idea. However, it may be that I just need to stop whining and recommit! This has been a big failure week and I have used the excuse of tiredness to eat everything in sight. My basic advice... Be gentle with yourself. If you are tired, telling yourself to "...

kccc

However, it seems once you are through menopause the weight can come off, judging by the experiences of some of our over 50 women. Over 50 does not equal "through menopause," alas. Average age is 52, I've been told... but this is an area where I'm "above average." ;) (I'm 54, btw.) Still, I've been...

kccc

I still think it comes down to " eat real food ." Exactly what food isn't terribly important. I do have to admit that I'm getting very tired of the promotion of all the various camps. I just start to get cranky when I hear about them. Yes, one of the first few comments pointed out that both "camps"...

kccc

"A Caveman and a Vegan walk into a bar..."

http://summertomato.com/a-caveman-and-a ... eedfetcher

Amusing, with a core of truth. Don't miss the comments.

kccc

It's so fun when old posts are revived, and I see stuff I'd forgotten I wrote. Still applies. I do think "sometimes" is being generally forgotten... alas. The wonderfully witty post about that would be a good one to revisit. (Though I remind myself of "sometimes" whenever there's an S-day when I'm n...

kccc

An informative post by Funfuture that I want to refer to later.... Thanks, KCCC. The book is "Eight Steps to Happiness" the science of getting happy and how it can work for you" by Dr Anthony M Grant and Alison Leigh. It's based on a TV series called "Making Australia Happy". The website for the ser...

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Fun, I took the liberty of copying your synopsis of the Happiness show/book to my thread so I wouldn't lose it. I hope you don't mind - if so, let me know and I'll delete it. Hope you're feeling better. I'm dealing with hormones too ("menopause weirdness" is my term), and keep having to remind mysel...

kccc

Today Exercise - walk and abs. Steps currently at 5900 - again, will have to push a bit to get to 10,000. And I want to do 15 minutes of yoga too. Consistency really matters on that, and hitting "5 of7" for yoga is my February goal. Br - oatmeal with craisins and nuts L - leftover shrimp-fried-rice,...

kccc

My aim for myself is what I call 3/15/45. Three modest meals most days (a third to a half vegetables and fruits.) Fifteen minutes most days of resistance work. Forty-five minutes most days of walking briskly. A year or two of that. Whatever I weigh is ideal I like that! I call my aim "5 of 7" - if ...

kccc

I mis-read your post title as an "eating habit revolution"... And that made perfect sense to me...

I'm not personally ready to tackle that habit, but I agree it's a good one... So I'll watch and be impressed for now.

kccc

Hope that you doctor's advice will help you address both the root cause and the symptoms. (Especially your panic attacks, which seem quite distressing.)

Best wishes!

Do try to be gentler with yourself as you heal.

kccc

Um, no. 126 is not happening.

Just for the record, that would be a BMI of 19.7. Definitely on the low side of the normal range.

kccc

Made my steps yesterday. 10700. Took a walk at lunch. Today... Steps were under 2000. That's b/c I had 4 hours of driving for a meeting. I did make it to most of my yoga class, which was extremely challenging. I have shoulder issues, and the class was focused on opening shoulders. AND included a lot...

kccc

In one of my Zencasts, the speaker invited us to contemplate these two statements: You are perfect just the way you are. There is room for improvement. I know it sounds like something that makes your head explode, but both are really true. Yes, at the same time. (This feels related to me... maybe no...

kccc

131lbs Failure today. I always look back at my good intentions with a wry smile, because I rarely stick to them. The weekend was just like all the others - too much sugar and too much grazing - it's a hard habit to break. Today was fine until coming home from work when I was craving something sweet...

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Nice to see you.

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Too sensible! Can't argue with that.

I commented on the Taubes thread that I wondered if I hadn't lowered carbs just by eating less... but then, I didn't care enough to take the time to check.

The fact that I feel pretty good with my current eating patterns is good enough.

kccc

It came to 140 for me (5'7"). I'm a little over that, but it's actually not an unreasonable weight for me. I used to weigh about 135 when I was younger (before pregnancy), and currently run 144-146.

But I'm surprised that there aren't gender-specific variants of the formula.

kccc

If you're talking about it, that's actually very good. (I never said the discussion with my hubby early in our marriage was EASY, lol!) Good for you for not just simmering. :) And from everything I read here, you sound like a totally awesome mom to me. I still remember how hard bf'ing and working wa...

kccc

I already failed pretty hard today b/c husband forgot to do ANYTHING for me for Valentine's Day. Feeling under-appreciated, I had a delicious chocolate donut and a muffin this morning. Sigh. I really think Valentine's raises SUCH expectations that it's a hard holiday for most people! A former roomi...

kccc

Yesterday's breakfast and dinner as planned. Lunch ended up being at the student center - I had meetings down there on either side, and didn't really have time to trek back to my office. One plate, two mini-quesadillas (4" tortillas, one bean, one veggie) and salad. EDIT: OMG, totally forgot that I ...

kccc

I weighed in on a different scale today to make sure that it wasn't a faulty read and it was up another pound. I just started crying out of sheer frustration. How did this happen? This was supposed to work for me. I am so angry and frustrated and utterly depressed. I feel awful and I can't stop cry...

kccc

I cannot recall the source, but a study I recall from 40 years or so ago stated that children were able to choose a balanced diet for themselves so long as they hadn't been exposed to significant quantities of dietary sugar Once regular sugar-eating had been experienced, instinctive mechanisms fail...

kccc

My mom is on a low sodium diet. It's not THAT low if you look at the dietary recommendations - 2000 mg/ day. But most of us don't really stick to that, and she HAS HAS HAS to. It's imperative for her health at this point. It is astoundingly hard. We cook almost everything for her from scratch. The m...

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Sunday... no exercise, over-the-top eating. Such is life. Breakfast - yogurt and figs. L - there was a buffet of finger food at church... no plates. I mostly had savory things, but no idea how much. Felt a bit full... and in grazing mode for the afternoon. When we got home, son was still hungry (too...

kccc

Take a deep breathe. Another. First, you don't have to leave the message board. There's still support here, and it seems that it would be helpful to you to have some support. There's no need to say "I can only depend on me." No one has to go it THAT alone. It may be that you do have to count calorie...

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S-day. Got in a 15-min a.m. yoga session and a bit of walking. Wish it had been more, but okay. Br - 2 eggs L - green beans, cinnamon apples, cheese and crackers. S - 2 Dove Promises, 2 cookies (Lacey's, from Trader Joe's. My current fave. Wish I could find a recipe for them.) D - Out for Valentine'...

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What is interesting to me is when I look at some people's daily check in threads on which they write what they eat, it seems to me they are choosing to eat just about as little as they would have to on WW. But they're the ones determining it. I guess that's part of it. I'm sure it is. But only part...

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Nicest of the Damned wrote:
amake616 wrote:I went and checked it again.

"Not for me...too many arbitrary rules to remember."
There are three rules. I think my cats manage to follow at least that many rules that must seem arbitrary to them.

And if cats can manage that many...That's a statement!

kccc

hehe -- I've never cooked more than 1/2 cup oatmeal for myself -- and I can barely get that down. Oatmeal is a desperation meal for me -- I only eat it when I'm desperate. Well, that's not quite true. Occasionally it sounds good -- but it always sounds better than it actually is! Just not a fan of ...

kccc

Thursday was as planned as far as food. I didn't get my usual exercise, and missed it. I did fit in two 15-minute yoga sessions, which "counts" but isn't at the level I'm used to. But that's okay. It counts. More and more, I think the secret of success with goal-setting is keeping goals small enough...

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Fun, thanks so much for taking the time to write this up! I will have to check it out - sounds like something I'd like.

Isn't it amazing how frequently science finds out the equivalent of "listen to your mother" (or your elders)?

kccc

For most condiments, it's a non-issue to me. For minor things like salt/pepper, don't even think about it. For more substantial things like gravies, what I put on my plate is what I get - they count as "food." The in-betweens are ketchup and salsa - I like major quantities of both with my fries/chip...

kccc

Today, I was at a meeting that ran from 3-5. On the table were plates of little chocolates. I was actually hungry. Other people were eating the chocolates, talking about how "they just couldn't resist." I could. The big thing was... that it wasn't a big thing. I do like chocolate...but I don't snack...

kccc

Snow here... I am going into work late. Have a minute to write while I do some background computer stuff. Loving the "internal personas" that Blithe and Noel have created - Miss Hartshorne and Madame Bonnevie, respectively. I have a little cast of characters that I use at times - I've written about ...

kccc

Sounds like you're making a LOT of progress on many fronts. Congrats!

I check into Gretchen Rubin's site occasionally as well. Would be really interested in hearing more about the book you're reading.

kccc

Exercise - "Lunchtime Express" yoga class. Not my favorite one, but a good class. I felt it. Br - Leftover bean burrito. Had some leftover, but wanted something else for lunch. Made a great breakfast. L - One plate at my fave place, about 1:00 because of yoga. Mostly veg with a little tofu. D - roas...

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I love the smell of baking bread, but I really do not have the time. I leave the house in the morning at 8 and return home by 6. Well... I leave at 6am, get home between 6 and 6:30... and I make bread. Which is NOT NOT NOT in any way to imply that YOU should. If you have a source of good bread and ...

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She suggested that instead of shooting for a specific number, I start by just trying to lose *some* weight and then when I started to get closer to the suggested weight range for my height, we would look more at my body composition and hone in on a healthy target for me. The idea was that I was *so...

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Mmm... I'm in the "don't like Corelle" camp. Fiestaware is nice, and I like stoneware quite a lot. Basic china... depends on design. But I need new plates. Not because I necessarily want to get a new size, but because attrition over the course of 20 years has reached critical mass. About a week ago,...

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O.K. I'll try to trot :wink: I know that I could loose 35 by the end of May if I was really on track. We'll see... Yes, but don't focus on the weight. Focus on the habit . You can't control the weight loss (it is NOT linear), but you can control the habits (and the loss will - eventually - follow)....

kccc

This was an S-day. Oh my word was it an S-day. I did a fair amount of nibb.... Naw... actually ... Can't fail on an S-day and this one was certainly within acceptable range. It's interesting when you step back and look at things objectively.. one benefit of writing stuff down. I wrote down my S-day...

kccc

Yesterday... Got my 10,000 steps, though the last 500 included a lot of marching around the house feeling silly. And did my yoga - a relaxing bedtime routine. Lunch was Longhorn's. Salad... plus bread. A "stacked plate" for sure. (Hubby now has the lunch I packed for yesterday.) Dinner was black bea...

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IDK, what helped me most with S-days is "positive mods".

I will drink enough water.
I will eat meals at normal mealtime.
I will plan something nice.

Those three mods really helped my S-days get both "tamer"... and more enjoyable.

kccc

Wow, Vickie, what a great testamonial! Thanks for sharing. You are so right about the incredible power of habit once it's harnessed in your favor. Also about the changed relationship with food. One of the reasons I love No-S so much is that I feel that even though I EAT less, I ENJOY food so much mo...

kccc

That's good to hear -- maybe there's not much to do, then. I've messed around with it a bit in my ipod touch but not enough to get a sense of how painful it would be to do it regularly. Those of you who are eager to get a full blown app / more mobilized version, let me know what you'd most like to ...

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Yesterday all as planned. :) And I got in ALL my yoga class - got there early enough for it this time. Tuesday Exercise: Walk, abs. Not quite to 6000 on the pedometer, though, which is low. Will need to hustle somewhere to get in my steps. Also want to get in 15 minutes of yoga. Br - oatmeal, figs L...

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Bumping since someone asked about weighing... there's a prior discussion linked above.

kccc

Blithe Morning wrote:We had to put down our dog a few weeks ago. It was habit to walk into the kitchen and look at his water dish to see if it needed filling. Without even thinking I looked at that spot for a week.

Blithe, just wanted to say I'm sorry. Losing a pet can be tough.

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DaveMc wrote:Now, I was assuming this whole time that you were talking about a combination of NoS and Glass Ceiling: I thought you'd pour alcohol over the dessert!

That's what I thought too when I first saw the name! Then when she explained it was in a shooter-size glass, it made sense.

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Wosnes, saw your recipe on Sunday night and HAD to make an individual serving. For the record, it's also good warm. ;) (I shared that individual serving with my husband. I don't think he fully appreciated what an expression of love that was.) Noel, love your "dessert shooters". The name I'm used to ...

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Sunday... Br - waffle with cream cheese and jam, melon L - salad, cheese and crackers. S- 5 Dove Promises after lunch D - chicken wings, oven fries, broccoli, melon S - 2 chocolate-chip cookies and (later) 1/2 cup chocolate pudding. I really was "done" for the day, but Wosnes posted a super recipe f...

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Saturday - S day. Very much so. Started off eating relatively well, but I ended up snacking on chocolate all evening. Oh well. Quite done. And I did eat three meals, and enjoyed them. Let's see if I can remember... a bit of a test for an over-the-top... Br - Ate out with friend. One huge plate; I at...

kccc

If I see the pattern (which is familiar, btw) will remind you. To clarify... this is not "familiar because I've watched you do this" but "familiar because I've fallen into the exact same pattern my own self." Realized on re-reading that it wasn't exactly clear. ;) As for "ought to be more mature".....

kccc

I've noticed a pattern in myself. I'll be "good" for some months or years, depending on how bad the trauma was, then flip OUT about something unrelated and let all my good habits go to hell. Sort of a delayed reaction. If anyone notices me doing that and is willing, could you poke me and remind me ...

kccc

FWIW, HabitCal does work on my android just fine in the browser. I'd buy an app, yes, but it's something that should be pointed out, I think. I don't what you used (I THINK looking at the code this is javascript, but I'm no programmer!) to create it, and IIRC there are some types of web functionali...

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Ended up with about 9400 on the ped, IIRC. Thursday evening didn't work out as planned. The Longhorn's we planned to go to (and have been to before) is closed. Still shows up on searches, but is gone. We went to a nearby Olive Garden.... Blew it. Ate salad and breadsticks before my meal. The salad w...

kccc

One of my favorite quotes from the sticky thread is "if hunger is not the problem, food is not the answer."

Sometimes you DO need a treat... But it doesn't have to be food.

kccc

~reneew!! Welcome back!

I'm in.

My February "area of focus" (in addition to basic No-S) is to practice yoga at least 3x/week, and exercise at least 5 days of 7.

UPDATE 2/23
Doing fine so far. Details on personal thread. I do count 15 minutes as the minimum, but try for more.

kccc

Exercise - walking plus abs. At 6500 on pedometer. Br - Banana and Greek yogurt (small flavored cup this time, instead of my scoop-of-plain with a dash of honey. Wanted something disposable.) L - Work lunch. 1/2 Chick-Fil-A Chicken Wrap, green salad, fruit salad. Meh. Not quite enough, but I didn't ...

kccc

Well, dh went back to work and didn't stay for supper, and while HE would have loved fajitas, ds wouldn't. So I just made chicken tenders again, with potatoes and stir-fried onions and peppers (ds had peppers un-cooked, plus a clementine). Oh well - still good. And I got in my yoga class - a good on...

kccc

Some further thinking, excerpted from my personal thread... I finally did read BA's summary of Taubes - plus some other online reviews - and commented on it. My short form reaction: Why We Get Fat (the research) - A+ What To Do About It (the recommendations) - C- Debated on a D for the recommendatio...

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