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Octavia

Oolala, I am very curious about the Weighted Shoe Workout. It sounds like a sort of modernised clog dancing. ðŸ˜‰ sadly I threw away my old videos (I did accumulate quite a few) but I used to quite enjoy doing Callanetics, which was very calming, and i think it did make a difference to my core stren...

Octavia

Oolala, I am very curious about the Weighted Shoe Workout. It sounds like a sort of modernised clog dancing. ðŸ˜‰ sadly I threw away my old videos (I did accumulate quite a few) but I used to quite enjoy doing Callanetics, which was very calming, and i think it did make a difference to my core stren...

Octavia

Sounds like a good day, Flying! I too had dinner early today. It often seems to work out that way. But unlike you, I did end up having a hot chocolate!

Hope you have a great weekend.

Octavia

Wow, thanks Merry! Your reply has really clarified things for me. The idea that instead of trying to control my S days and bring them more in line with N days, I should just allow them to settle, allow the N day habits to â€˜leak outâ€™! I know exactly what you mean. Iâ€™m going to follow your examp...

Octavia

Hi Linda, I love reading about your success. Thanks so much for sharing this stuff. IF is fascinating - the idea that your moods are more stable, and your appetite has corrected itself...brilliant! Itâ€™s funny how we start snacking in an attempt to deal with both of those things. We think snacks ke...

Octavia

B- a couple of tablespoons Greek yoghurt with honey, and a few nuts; a piece of wholemeal toast with peanut butter. L - Beans on toast (left half of it as realised the bread had gone off - ugh!) enormous banana to take away the taste of the bread, and a few more hazelnuts. D - cottage pie with big p...

Octavia

Itâ€™s very clever how the No S rules lead to reduced calories. I thought Iâ€™d eaten a lot today, and had even had a hot chocolate this evening in response to a low mood and a real need for comfort. But when I totted up my dayâ€™s intake, it was under 1500. Just an estimate of course, but I was sti...

Octavia

This month, Iâ€™ve had a very similar working routine every week, and this has really helped me. I have a certain journey, I buy certain foods at certain shops. I know when Iâ€™ll be eating. Itâ€™s made me realise how my routine is often a bit chaotic, working around other people, and then No S beco...

Octavia

The pound loss was quickly regained despite my continued No S compliance. So by the end of the week I was still at square one. No surprises there, considering my age, weight, height etc.. Weight loss is still very elusive for me. Have spent two mad S days - well not really mad, just free, the way I ...

Octavia

Good grief, a miracle! On Thursday morning the scales had budged by a whole pound! I appear to have lost weight. But of course, it will be up again tomorrow- especially as I had quite a filling dinner, a stir fry with rice. But never mind. Any downwards scale movement is welcome. B - egg, mushrooms,...

Octavia

Quite tough today...I really do feel ghastly when I get hungry. I felt almost queasy, light headed and borderline distressed roundabout 5pm. But was determined not to snack. I was stressed and busy, and got a meal ready for my daughter before her dance class. When I finally had a small plate of bean...

Octavia

Hi Dalia,
Howâ€™s your first week going? Hope all is well and youâ€™re enjoying No S.

Octavia

I love your motto, Free. It reflects my goals too - doing No S for sanity, hoping weight loss will come, but not being too attached to it.

Your â€˜failsâ€™ sound very modest in proportion! Iâ€™m sure youâ€™ll be back on track very soon. All the best!

Octavia

Thanks, Selca! Iâ€™m definitely feeling better. I feel as if Iâ€™ve gone on to the next stage of my No S journey. I really appreciate the N day habits. They are exactly what I needed to learn - no snacks, no sweets (seconds arenâ€™t my issue). Focusing on the habits, just for the sake of learning to...

Octavia

Finally plucked up the courage to weigh myself. I am 11 stone 1. Not my very heaviest ever, but an incentive to keep up No S. (I am 5 foot 5 and a half). Have spent two fairly spartan N days, including some quite long periods of hunger, and my weight now is.... exactly the same, 11 stone 1! Not sure...

Octavia

Ooh, Iâ€™m becoming more and more intrigued, Free! ðŸ˜Š I still havenâ€™t weighed myself. Such a coward. I think I will though...like, tomorrow morning! Unless I forget, like I did this morning. Sounds like you are gaining a good sense of control, through these weight/eating observations! This is wh...

Octavia

Wow - I just followed those links you posted, Selca. The one headed I Failed Maintenance is a brilliant argument for No S: that lady never learned any habits of moderation, and was left high and dry. And from the replies, you can see how many calorie counters have got into similar difficulties. So m...

Octavia

Thanks so much, Selca! I am feeling quite a lot better. Iâ€™m terrible when I have a cold - I become quite anxious and depressed when my functioning is impaired. Back on Thursday I even wondered if Iâ€™d gone down with the Aussie Flu, which Iâ€™ve been reading about! But no, itâ€™s just been a cold....

Octavia

Decided to make Saturday an N day, to try to atone for the three sick days Iâ€™ve had this week, where I snacked and ate treats with abandon. That worked quite well. Sunday, Iâ€™m back to S behaviour. I wonder what this week will bring...

Octavia

Wow - that is inspiring! Feeling that you can actually influence the scale on a day-to-day basis. I know what you mean about it being like a game, too. I think our primitive human brains like a game! I used to notice these things when I was calorie counting; the game of â€˜hit the targetâ€™ offered ...

Octavia

Hi, Free! I bought the book for my Kindle. Itâ€™s very interesting, and very like No S in some ways - quite systemic, and focussed on 3 meals a day. I found the main difference is in how little they advise you to eat (two of the meals have to be very light) and how they urge you to get used to being...

Octavia

Crystal, thanks so much for your inspiring post. Itâ€™s great to know that No S has worked so brilliantly for you. I feel really encouraed by your words. ðŸ’

Octavia

Have failed again, already! Ate ice cream half way through the morning. Cold is worse and Iâ€™ve just gone to bed. Itâ€™s hard to care about anything except feeling better NOW! ðŸ¤’

Octavia

Another sick day, and Iâ€™ve been randomly snacking to take my mind off the aching head and sore throat. Itâ€™s like I have no willpower. All I want to do is sleep. I know I wonâ€™t be better by tomorrow, but I do wonder if I should put all my effort into having a green day. I have a fair bit of lap...

Octavia

Hi, Automated. A really interesting question. My own theory is that food obsessions are sparked off by too-stringent dieting at an early age...taking dieting too seriously, really thinking that you HAVE to lose weight. In other words, lacking the perspective to be able to deal with media images and ...

Octavia

Fascinating feedback on Gillian Rileyâ€™s webinar - many thanks, Oolala! Youâ€™ve no idea how relieved I am to finally be able to discuss Gillian Riley with someone! For years, I felt so alone....ðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜ I havenâ€™t read her books for a while, though I used to study them closely. I always came away...

Octavia

Itâ€™s now Wednesday and after two successful N days, I have gone down with a cold. I really white knuckled my way through the morning, but gave up in the afternoon. I was so tired, weak, hungry, headachey etc....I hate colds! I am calling it an S day. Tomorrow I must make an effort to eat better. I...

Octavia

Happy birthday Sonya! ðŸŽ‚

Octavia

Did you join the GR webinar in the end, Oolala? I was working today so couldnâ€™t. Iâ€™d forgotten about Times and Plans. I always thought they were the best things in the GR plan. Sensible, self-moderated boundaries. Somehow I could never stay mindful enough to remember to do them, though! No S is ...

Octavia

Hi Oolala, Your mention of Gillian Riley made my ears prick up, as I am fascinated by her work! Itâ€™s bed time and I am in danger of rambling incoherently here. Apologies in advance. But...Iâ€™ve grappled with her books for years, finding them full of truth and insight, and yet, I never got anywher...

Octavia

Hi Selcazare, just thought Iâ€™d say hello and best of luck with everything. You come across as a really thoughtful person who understands the psychological side of eating very well. And you know yourself well, too! Thatâ€™s got to give you a head start. It sounds like youâ€™ve found a sensible modi...

Octavia

Thanks for cheering me on, Automated! Hope you have a good weekend.

Octavia

Friday. I was tempted by chocolates in the fridge - the ones I was scoffing last weekend. But that simple thing, â€˜Iâ€™ll feel happier if I stick to my planâ€™ helped me get past the moment. Iâ€™ve had two glasses of milk today, plus two glasses of juice (as well as the usual tea, coffee, herbal te...

Octavia

All good so far this week. Iâ€™m glad Iâ€™m no longer prey to random snacking - in the old days I was never sure whether each individual snack was either wise or justified, was always afraid to be empty, in case I really would run out of energy and collapse. I was always sort of feeling my way...awa...

Octavia

Wow, Milliem, sounds like you had quite a day on Sunday. Not surprised you ended up at MacDonalds. Very forgivable in the circumstances! And it was an S day! Hope your husband is OK. Itâ€™s great that you got straight back on track!

Octavia

Monday: managed fine. Travelling but not socialising, so I feel in control. Hurrah!

Octavia

Sunday: lots of chocolate. Otherwise normal. I must not forget the pointlessness of chocolate. I'm allowed to eat it, as it's as S day, but really, why bother? One positive thing though, is that I quickly realised I was going to spoil my appetite for dinner, and stopped munching the chocs. Previousl...

Octavia

Ooh, must check them out! I haven't heard of RadioLab. Thanks, Automated! (My spellcheck just wrote your name as Auntie Omad. ðŸ™„ðŸ˜‚ Glad I spotted that before I posted....) Glad it's the weekend, though I'm tired and grumpy after one of my bad nights. I have to work from home quite a bit, and yes...

Octavia

It's amazing how much good stuff is in that book, Auto! There are subtle insights in every paragraph! Lots of points I'd forgotten. I got out for a run today, for the first time in a few weeks. I was pleased to find that my body could still tolerate running (well naturally I mean jogging!). I told m...

Octavia

Ah, of course there are two Becks! ðŸ˜‚ I have a Judith Beck on my Kindle too. Didn't know that story about Martha Beck! The idea of Food Jail reminds me of the words of Reinhard, when he warns us against taking punitive measures after a fail. He explains that it can lead us to feel that failing is ...

Octavia

Hey Oolala, I wondered if it was you, who mentioned that thing about never regretting not giving in. Thanks so much. ðŸŒº Your words helped me hugely yesterday. I'm sure I have a couple of Martha Becks on my Kindle. Must return to them! One thing I find very interesting: for me at present, it's more...

Octavia

Thanks, Millie and Oolala! Your encouragement is very appreciated. Today I succeeded! ðŸ˜ƒ I even had the willpower to put work to one side at 4pm and go for a good walk. This feels quite significant for me: normally I will compulsively push on with a project till I finish it, despite dwindling conc...

Octavia

Sadly, today was a fail. Hungover, and grateful to husband for cooking dinner, but he made a protein-free tomato pasta thing which left me a bit unsatisfied. So I headed to my stash of hazelnuts, but there were none left, and PING I remembered the butterscotch mousse in the fridge. Only small, but t...

Octavia

...I still have a hangover from last night. The distraction of the cute kitties in the Cat Bingo game meant I downed too many glasses of wine without realising it. ðŸ˜‚. I only managed a tiny lunch and now have a low-blood-sugar feeling. It's not dinner time yet, so I am having a cuppa soup. Urghhh ...

Octavia

Hi Gingerpie! Thanks for this - and you're right, I WAS getting something out of my running sessions...a sense of accomplishment, and indeed, I learned to stop thinking angry, bitter thoughts about how the Couch to 5K method had lied to me, saying I could run 5K in 9 weeks...or, I wondered, was it j...

Octavia

Wow, Ladybird, I think you are amazing! ðŸ™‚When I read that you'd thrown those chocolates on the compost...RESPECT! Isn't it weird, how hard it is to throw away food....and yet we can throw it into our mouths when we don't need it? I want to gain this sort of strength. I did throw away some excess ...

Octavia

Thanks so much for your replies! Oolala, you don't go on and on at all. ðŸ™‚I found it really interesting, what you said. And incredibly consoling, that you too have never experienced that 'it changed my life' thing that so many people talk about. Actually, if you dig deeper in the internet, you fin...

Octavia

SUNDAY - another S day, and I'm eating lots of chocolate again. I remember this is one reason I gave up No S before - I thought it wasn't addressing my chocolate habit. But it is - going 5 days without chocolate is quite significant for me! I'm carrying on. I'm wondering whether to continue with the...

Octavia

Saturday: a typical S day with quite a bit of random snacking and treating. All the Christmas stuff left in the house after my supposed clear-up. S days are a great way to be reminded that overeating and overtreating are not so enjoyable. But I knew that anyway...and I still do it, to be rid of the ...

Octavia

Thanks for the kudos! ðŸ˜ŠStomach grumbling a bit now... but glad I stuck to N habits.

Octavia

Thanks again Oolala! My body has definitely spent decades on a constant stream of snacks. Cutting them out is a relatively new thing for me and feels quite unpleasant, insane even, at times. But as for the other options... to me there are two: calorie counting, or 'feed on demand' aka permasnacking(...

Octavia

Success! Wow, doing No S today was so hard. I had to really contort my eating. We were on the road at dinner time and stopped at a service station. But as I'd eaten a late lunch, I wasn't hungry. I forced down half a bland toasted sandwich and mandarin orange, called it 'dinner', and bought a fizzy ...

Octavia

Hi Oolala, you're definitely right about postponing requests till later. I'm wondering about waiting till Easter and saying something kind and gentle to the FIL about not getting me chocolate. I think it gives him a lot of pleasure to buy such gifts, now his wife is not here to spoil. Mind you, she ...

Octavia

Just a note to say how sorry I am to hear your sad news, Ironchef. Thinking of you. All the best.

Octavia

Hi Oolala. Thanks for sharing your thoughts....it's a time of year when we come face to face with difficult feelings about families and food. Funny how those two difficulties go hand in hand! I often wish I could handle family tensions better. I do pretty well, but I had a time when it was causing m...

Octavia

Urgh I am stuffed!

Octavia

Thanks so much, Gingerpie. These things are indeed a diplomatic minefield. Probably I need to change my mindset, just accept that I'm on duty, and that Christmas doesn't HAVE to be as much fun as when I was a kid. So there's no need to be sad - life just is how it is; nothing is lost, we just move o...

Octavia

Christmas Eve. It's Sunday, so an S day, though I've lost track of the days of the week. Just returned home after three days at my mum's. I felt tense and anxious; I don't like being removed from my ecosystem. My No S habits were compromised a bit, but not altogether. I wasn't attracted to permasnac...

Octavia

Thanks for your encouragement, Rawcookie! I'm really pleased I started a daily check in. NO S has such an amazing community of empathetic, intelligent folk - it's an amazing resource and I value people's comments enormously. It's so odd how in my more calorie-conscious days, I used to spurn hot choc...

Octavia

Tuesday: B: one piece wholemeal toast with peanut butter L: boiled egg, toast, apple, handful of hazelnuts D: more veggie shepherds pie saved from yesterday Had very busy evening playing in concert, and was hungry when I got home, so decided to have small dish of muesli with milk. It had been about ...

Octavia

...I just wanted to add, sending you loads of sympathy too, with your anxiety struggles. Sorry I didn't read your whole thread before. Anxiety is horrible - I've had it badly for long periods in my life - and I think doctors struggle to understand it. I found Claire Weekes's books helpful - they're ...

Octavia

Hi babybird, from a fellow U.K. NO-S follower. (Yes it's late, I should be asleep. Too many darn presents to wrap. Watching too much Vikings on TV.) Just wanted to send you good wishes. I think Oolala gave sound advice. The idea of certain things being cues for snacking, rather than making you snack...

Octavia

Thanks, Merry! I'm so pleased I managed a whole week. Hope you had a good one, too. Last night, I took a mild, over the counter sleeping pill, basically an anti histamine, and slept for 15 hours!!! The sleep debt had been building all week. I felt like a different person today. So much calmer and le...

Octavia

Saturday and Sunday have been good S days. A few snacks, the odd sweet, nothing too excessive. I've slept appallingly badly though, this week. Probably the stress of Christmas approaching, all the deadlines, and worries connected to work and other stuff. I don't think No S is to blame. I hope l'll m...

Octavia

Hurrah, I have done a week of No S! Today was another where I was out at an evening event. Twice, I had to have a substantial drink to get me through. But I'm really enjoying these drinks. They are things I never would have tried before, when I was trying to avoid unwanted calories. The first, aroun...

Octavia

I felt a bit icky yesterday, after the cooked breakfast. This made me feel anxious and wan all day. I often get these feelings. But a proper hunger returned in time for dinner, and after cottage pie and veg, I felt better. I am stressed right now - not ready for Christmas etc.. Although I'm an outgo...

Octavia

Good luck Heather. I've just started my third (or so) go at NoS!

I reckon the gentle art of recovering from a fail is actually one of the most important skills of moderation! Now you have that under your belt, you are even stronger.

Hope you have a good day.

Octavia

Good luck with your busy day, Milly. Sounds like you've worked out a good strategy! Have fun.

Octavia

...hey Millie, I managed to get through all the social stuff with just one glass of wine! Phew. It can be ruinous to one's willpower! But I don't feel I ate particularly well yesterday - was too hurried to eat enough, really. But it was an N day, so I'm very pleased. Had another restless night...I s...

Octavia

I have to go to two events in London this evening. Planning on having a substantial sandwich in between, but I know Iâ€™ll be challenged by hunger and presence of alcohol. Had a bit too much wine last night and slept really badly again. Must be more careful tonight.

Octavia

Thanks for the replies, Merry and Larkspur. I'm certainly finding that milky drinks are helping right now. They're so much better than my old perma snacking. But what's helping me most right now is this decision that I will commit to NoS regardless of whether I lose weight or not. Before, I'd think ...

Octavia

Have just done my daily 'shovel glove'. Actually it's 14 mins of disco dancing, alone in my bedroom. It was fun. Why don't I do this more often? You only need 4 favourite songs. Feels a bit daft, but I need to get over this. I feel in a slightly different state of mind than before: like, hey, I stil...

Octavia

Sounds like you're doing really well Millie!

I like your controlled eating of nuts. They can be so tricky when used as a snack, but having a few as part of a meal is a great idea. They are so healthy when we don't overeat them!

Hope your day is going well.

Octavia

Thanks, Milliem! It worked this time! So, I've clocked up two yellow days and one green so far. Hoping today will be a green. Going for a rehearsal tonight where a very dear friend always plies me with biscuits. That will be a challenge! Right now, I'm struggling to get through to dinner, but I had ...

Octavia

Low mood today after an almost sleepless night. Couldn't drag myself out of bed. Not a good start! I must try going without coffee. Also, went out for a run, but it was so icy underfoot that I opted to walk. Was overtaken by many fearless runners and cyclists - how they were ignoring the black ice e...

Octavia

I can't work out how to use HabitCal. Does it work for iPad? Can't find the SHOW button that Reinhard mentions....can someone talk me through it? Sorry if I am missing something very obvious! ðŸ™„ðŸ˜Š

Octavia

Hi Larkspur, I think I was doing my very first check-in when you did your last post. I can relate to your feelings. I too have cut back on work recently, and have had times when I've been anxious and low. Having that time to ruminate can bring on these moods. I hope it will pass for you, as it has f...

Octavia

It's taken me a long time to decide to do a check-in. I already spend a bit too long journaling, so I always feared a check-in could lead to yet more introspection! But here I am. Maybe it will be fun. Helpful, indeed! So...today was an N day, and I complied, with little effort. That's because my he...

Octavia

I tend to shout ironic replies to most diet articles I read...along the lines of what you just said, Merry. 'If it were that easy to cut out wheat, sugar, bla bla, then I wouldn't be reading your article, duh!' Actually, I have considered making my own publishing fortune (ðŸ˜‰ðŸ˜‰ðŸ˜‰) bringing out ...

Octavia

Hi Chotzinoff - hope you feel better soon. I've just had a couple of viruses myself, almost back to back, and I think they can make you feel very low and unmotivated. When your health returns in full, you'll probably find your sense of perspective returns, and you'll have the energy to engage with N...

Octavia

Hurrah! ðŸ™‚

Octavia

Ooh, he's great! I actually took up running a year ago, and I have struggled a lot with it. Minuscule progress combined with lengthy setbacks. But I have persevered, and just getting round to starting again after breaking off for a bad cold. Thanks for posting, gingerpie. I've just left a message on...

Octavia

Hello all, Sorry I haven't posted in a long time. I've not been attempting No S, or any other diets (after too many failures) - but have been thinking long and hard about my addictive eating habits. Wondering why all the logic in the world can't stop me getting my almost-daily chocolate fix. But gra...

Octavia

Thanks for the responses! 🙂 Merry, I think I will reread the NoS book. Might even get a paperback copy. Oolala, I know what you mean about Gillian Riley's approaches being good for S days. I do like her idea of Times and Plans, and the basic concept of food addiction. She is definitely a wri...

Octavia

Hi all, and season's greetings! I left No S after a few months, mainly due to my previous brain-washing from other writers (mainly Gillian Riley, who's anti-diet, anti-rules and anti-caring-about-weight-loss, and Debra Waterhouse who is pro-snacking), but also because I wasn't losing any weight. Loo...

Octavia

Hi chaps, Have been lurking for a while but not joined in any discussions. So I thought I'd share my IDDs: Work days: delay breakfast till have got to work. Then go to canteen and have two of their rather small poached eggs and a generous spoonful of baked beans with one slice of brown toast. I alwa...

Octavia

I have to say that I'm with Oolala on this one - I tend not to bake, as I can't resist the produce. On the other hand, I have been permasnacking on Waitrose (posh UK supermarket) chocolate shortbreads - the daisy-shaped ones. They have coated the walls of their stores with large boxes of these. How ...

Octavia

Hello all - haven't checked in for a while, so sorry I didn't say Hi before now, Mipe! raw cookie, great to hear from you and lovely to learn that NoS is working for you. Very encouraging. I've been unwell with a bad cold for the last three weeks, and have lapsed into random eating and no exercise. ...

Octavia

Hello chaps. I'm coming a bit late to this discussion, but just want to add, that the topic of clothes is an interesting one. I've realised that I am always buying myself nice new things, partly because when I was younger I yearned for new gear but couldn't afford it, but mainly because I now lead a...

Octavia

Ooh, that sounds nice. Do you toast the bread? White or brown? The idea of dusting the fruit with cinnamon is surely the secret of making this luxurious and pastry-like. Thanks for this fruit-optimising tip!

Octavia

Hahahaha, I said I wasn't going to weigh myself again! But I did! Oh dear. I've gone to 'the next stone up'. That's for the first time since the birth of my daughter 13 years ago! Oddly enough, I'm feeling relatively slim in myself, having instigated an Everyday System I call Morning Corset. :lol: t...

Octavia

Thanks, Oolala. You seem to understand these confusing issues really well. (Diet books - with the exception of No S - can be so simplistic!) You've really made me think. what I want to gain from No S is greater enjoyment of my food, as well as weight loss. I think I should go back to not weighing my...

Octavia

Thanks so much for your replies. I am definitely carrying on! Taco, I do have that Beck book on my Kindle, and I'm going to read it again. I had dismissed it as being too much about the power of conscious thought - too complex and effortful to remember - rather than about habit, like No S. But I'm g...

Octavia

Thanks, Noel. Hey, how did you know that I am shorter, older, and already smallish?!!! :lol: I only need to lose 10lb. Just turned 50. Five foot five. It's not easy to lose that pesky sort of weight. It has grown there slowly over a decade or so, and as work and parenthood have made me busier, I've ...

Octavia

Hi all! I've done about 5 weeks of No S now, and decided to weigh myself today. I have lost...nothing! Oh dear. I'm not entirely surprised - having done the maths (in a very general sense and in retrospect) I know that I'm still eating more calories than I need. And this has discouraged me: I've bee...

Octavia

The weight loss came later but the emotional rewards have been tremendous. You're in the right place! These are great words to hear! Thanks so much, lpearlmom. Still feeling really good and calm on NoS after about a month. Another good side effect of NoS for me is that weekends feel special, truly ...

Octavia

Thanks once again for your support, Oolala! It's amazing how unwilling we can be to do things unless there is an instant reward. youre right when you say 'you just can't know ahead of time how it will all shake out.' In terms of my weight, I just don't know how this will turn out...though in terms o...

Octavia

Hi all! Thanks for all your posts - I learn something from each one of you. Still feeling great about my new discovery of No S. Have been doing it for about 3 and a half weeks. I love it. My weekends so far have all been quite permasnacky, (a.k.a. "chain-smoking food") but I guess that is normal, an...

Octavia

Thanks for the welcome, everyone.

Octavia

Thanks, Oolala! It's reassuring that someone else feels the same! Gillian Riley's writing is so convincing, it had a grip on me for years. I wavered between mild calorie counting (effective but impossible to sustain) and attempting to follow GR's method, which basically meant permasnacking and no di...

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