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Welcome Randi!

keep in mind it's perfectly normal for your weight to skip around a lot (just click and look at my progress chart below). So, if you intend to keep a close eye on your weight, you might want to make an excell chart too in order to track your average weight.

good luck and good habits!

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Drove more than usual and noted some areas to improve on. I won't go into details because I am too ashamed and regretful :oops: This driving stuff is dangerous. Must be more careful and responsible :!: :!: (no real harm done though, thank whatever divinity is watching me) Friday: tiny-S (sweet bread...

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Yes, sometimes I miss snacking and especially I miss the illusion that snacking makes things better. Sometimes it's difficult to live with the fact that there is no easy solution to unpleasant emotions. I don't really miss snack food, since I don't like it anymore, but I do miss liking it - occasion...

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KCCC wrote: Dinner - pizza, at a kid's b'day party. I wish I had some salad with it.

Never would have thought before NoS that one could _miss_ vegetables, but now that I have gotten used to them, a pizza-only meal is unsatisfactory for me too!

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June, month of stress. Most of my workout sessions were replaced with chores - better than not exercising at all but I am concerned about muscle loss. Last weekend: Friday: ordinary slightly overboard S-day but no stomach ache (pastry, dark chocolate). Saturday: extravagant dessert at lunch (pear pi...

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When I left the doctor's office I felt completely wiped out emotionally (some kind of doctor-phobia) and I impulsively decided to make today an S-day. Then ten minutes later, after I had bought a pastry, I regretted it. Perhaps I could have just had a hot herbal tea and a nap. In the end I think it ...

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Tori: you're bored -> get busy. you snack in the kitchen -> don't go into the kitchen between meals. Have a water bottle on your desk so you don't need to go in the kitchen to drink. When I started NoS I could not stand getting within sight of a vending machine - I knew I'd buy a sweet if I did. I a...

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mjn, it looks like you're doing great!
Congratulations on your food and exercise habits!
Congratulations about the weight loss!
So, do you find NoS anything at all like WW?

(refering to your 1st post)

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Welcome!
Personally I think that NoS is a great improvement over "eat whatever whenever" when it comes to having a successful life, and especially a successful marriage and family life. Congratulations and best wishes.

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Somtimes I read the old threads and I wonder ... where have they gone?????????? I like to think that NoS becomes a way of life and that, once you have reached your goal weight and maintained it for a while, you just live your life as a "normal" person and don't need support/don't even think about w...

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Blueskighs: sometimes it's difficult not to become superstitious ;) After thinking about it some more I decided that 61 kg (134 lbs, a little under BMI 22) looks like an appropriate goal weight. No need to get too skinny. Since I am off my winter plateau and losing about 1lb per month, I might reach...

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So what's your decision Stef? Diet-diet? No-S + tweaks? Basic No-S and que sera sera? Or just que sera sera? Also if you want more precise advice, it would be helpful to remind us of a few details about: your gender, your age, your height, your weight, how much you've gained and in what time frame, ...

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Today is shaping up to be one of those Murphy's law days. My goals were the usual: drive, wash clothes, wash hair. The car didn't start and the washing machine didn't purge. I can only hope that the water heater behaves. PS: did I mention the overripe (rotten) melon? Sunday: Lunch: double chocolate ...

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Hello Laff,

congratulations about your weight loss, your new habits, and new attitude regarding food and diet!

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f. - I have been having Patello-Femoral Syndrom for about 7 years. Thanks about the advice. We'll see what this doctor says. Saturday: Breakfast: herbal tea and chocolate croissant (while walking since I was late getting to the choir rehearsal) Lunch: yum. Steamed frozen veggies + herbs and cheese r...

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Made an appointment with the doctor :D (well perhaps it will be more like :cry: but I have done my part). Also I think I need to think about a goal weight. And beyond that, about what I expect life to be like when I have reached it. I think that I need medical advice and treatment about my knees, me...

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Jenabee, from what you wrote, the next step might be to reduce portion size a bit. Pick a day (not monday perhaps), pick a meal (the one which is closest to the next mealtime perhaps) and try it. To minimize fear of hunger you can tell yourself that if you really get very hungry you can go back to p...

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However. I am writing with dismay that I am seriously disappointed with my results so far. I have gained weight, and I really can't afford to gain any more in the hopes of trying to lose. I am really wondering if this really can work for me. Hello Jenabees, how about giving a little more details so...

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I have been wondering about a few things lately... for instance: * why do I step on the scale everyday? * why do I read this forum everyday? * why do I make myself sick with food on at least one day of every weekend? (either through sheer overeating, or just overdosed on dark chocolate) * why I am s...

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Hi, yes sometimes it happens that technically you're following No-S rules but you don't lose weight immediately. For instance it happened to me this winter. I had a few failures, true, but the main problem was that my N-day platefuls were bigger than during summer/autumn, AND I had more food (well, ...

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Hello, remember, with noS you already cut on carbs merely with the "no sweets" rule. There is no real need to cut down on bread unless you really eat A LOT of bread. Compare you carb intake to your veggies and fruit intake. A good rule of thumb is complex carbs bulk = one half to one third of your f...

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congratulations Jessie's Daughter!
funny how sometimes friendly jibes actually work out as eye openers

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Hey trytrytry I tried to have a look at your progress chart in your signature but it says "file not found" in it. Also for your habitcal link you have to change the "edit" part to "view" otherwise other people are not able to look at it (it's the address of the "public view" page that everyone can l...

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Thanks trytrytry, I am still attempting to go back to moderate S-days without feeling too restricted. Saturday: Breakfast: 1 square of pistachio dark chocolate Lunch at restaurant: had chocolate cake with 1 scoop vanilla ice-cream for dessert. Tidied up the living room table and kitchen work area. I...

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There's no rule that says how many meals you should have! If your friend can stick to no snacks, no sweets, no seconds with only two meals a day, that's fine. When he eats a lighter evening meal (no seconds) and abstains from snacks during the morning, he might be ravenous at lunch. If he can stand ...

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Franxious, another way to go at it is to assign each workout to a day of the week. Additionally I prioritize the workouts. Here is an example: Hight priority workout (shoulder rehab) Mon/Thu Medium priority workout (abs and back) Tue/Fri Low priority workout (shovelglove) Wed Optional workout on Sat...

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I'd suggest the following: * make sure you drink before, during and after exercising ESPECIALLY if the length exceeds 15'. * start with frequent (every day or every other day), very short sessions. Like 5' or 10'. Augment the duration a few minutes at a time after a few weeks. Back down when you've ...

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I don't know

But it's an interesting quote.

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That's great susie

I am very jealous

because my body shape does not show any waist (even when I was a lean teenager who thought she was fat!)

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The inside is vanilla ice-cream and the outside is chocolate with almonds. They exist in two sizes but the smaller size is not satisfying at all, and they don't sell it by the unit, so big size it is for me. I like marzipan too but eating that much marzipan would replace a meal easily :P Saturday: A...

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Haha! first "official" weigh-in in the 62kg range!
Since this is Friday, there's little chance I'll see that figure again real soon but still it's progress.

I searched for thinner body parts in the mirror but couldn't find any.

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Allright... I'm flattered... I've already posted this kind of info but it's unlikely I'll dig it up... and anyway writing it up might actually make me realize the kind of changes I need to make to leave my current weight plateau... Typical N-day: Breakfast: multicereal bread OR muesli yoghurt fruit ...

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How about a ring? on one's forefinger.

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Milk, even whole fat, is ok. (unless you really drink A LOT of milk in which case perhaps low fat would be more prudent). I drink a lot of unsweetend herbal tea. Natural powerful flavors like mint and liquorice don't require sugar at all to be palatable. I had trouble with the other flavors at first...

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I think what bothers me most is that when I get myself uncomfortably stuffed (including the stomach ache!) that's when I can't stop eating :roll: I really don't quite get it, but I've done it several times. It's like once I'm past the limit, there are no more limits... I have that actually a bit wi...

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Does anyone out there have some will power tips? It's much easier to avoid temptation than to resist it. Until your habits are strong enough I suggest you avoid getting into situations where you will be tempted. Also when you find yourself obsessing about food do take some action do distract yourse...

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Ok, today is an S day - I know we can "get away" with eating too much. I know that whether I'll eat a peach as a snack or a whole chocolate cake it will still be a yellow day. I also know I shouldn't be an idiot, but I am. How do you STOP? ... I feel it's a vicious circle - the more I eat, the more...

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Decided to list S details in order to track S-day progress better. Saturday: Sweet bread with chocolate chips at breakfast About 1/2 chocolate pack (don't know the proper English term) Small half-frozen cola drink 1 almond magnum http://www.unilever.ch/fr/Images/Magnum%20Almond_tcm67-20743.jpg Sunda...

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Am I one of the ones that will someday maybe eat a small piece of chocolate on Saturday after dinner and be totally satisfied? I was there last autumn. It was a chocolate pastry rather than a small piece of chocolate, but it was enough S-ness for the day. Then Winter arrived and with it a lot of pe...

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After more than a year, I can say there are no hard days anymore - or at least, no weekly recurring hard days. Following the rules is not difficult, it's automatic, at least as long as I am in good health and in a familiar environment. There were some recurring hard days at first (friday) but since ...

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Another 2 N-days at home. This time the MUD & fanfiction party shall start after 4pm. Hopefully I can't fail with this quite moderate rule, especially since I took care to book appointments in the mornings so I will be busy enough. Well. I failed today. Not because the temptation was too great. Jus...

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Have now done NO-s for 4 weeks and lost 5 lbs. Last night I dreamed that I was on a plane and was snacking. I was quite upset in the dream! Too funny. :lol: Well done! Keep going, it only gets better. After a while it gets so embedded into your daily life habits that it becomes effortless and fretl...

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Hmmm I had missed the dishwashing issue. I have no dishwasher either. However washing one fork, one knife, one plate, and one microwave container after a meal is doable (I must admit, some weeks when I feel lazy or when I am in a hurry, I only wash the microwave container because I have only one of ...

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Another 2 N-days at home. This time the MUD & fanfiction party shall start after 4pm. Hopefully I can't fail with this quite moderate rule, especially since I took care to book appointments in the mornings so I will be busy enough. Last weekend was a bit crazy on the sweets (4 almond magnums in two ...

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I don't cook either. On N-days I have lunch at the canteen and I just take care to avoid having fries more than once a week, and I take care to have veggies, starch, proteins and fruit in my meal. In the evenings I usually fix myself a light meal: * multi-cereal bread (or pasta on the odd day when I...

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Just wanted to add one thing: I guess all my doubts come from the fact that it all sounds just too good to be true :roll: Well, some people overlook the "long term" part in the excitement of discovering a new diet. It can take a long time before getting results. I think I got results in my 1st mont...

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Rose~ How does a person make one of those progress charts????? Noel explains here that you can use Excel (I do the same). Just put the date in one column, the weight in another column, then create a chart based on these two columns. Then add the trendline (moving average) as she explains. If you do...

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@lostnfound: 1 pound is nothing. Have a look at the chart in my signature. My weight almost always goes up and down all the time. In particular, my Monday morning weight is routinely 2-3 pounds above my Saturday morning weight. S-days do get easier after a while (read: after a few months). Just keep...

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Here's the saying: "It's more of a waste around the waist than it is in the garbage pail." Thank you noSer. My parents were taught by their own parents to never throw away food, since they had themselves grown up in times of war and rationing and/or very poor. And in a time/place where fridges did ...

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Hello icz, I think it will probably go away. Perhaps you don't eat enough whole grain carbs? Feeling shaky and irritable might be a sign of low blood sugar. I think I remember it happened often at first it then happened less. Your body adapts. But it sure helps if you take care to have enough carbs ...

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It finally feels like spring. 4-day weekend ahead, but Thursday and Friday are N-days. I finally got around to driving again, and was pleasantly surprised to find out that the car renting agency opened a new station only 10' from home. So I drove a little and practiced parking (perpendicular) in the...

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P - Frankfurt sausages (microwaved) with mustard
V - zucchini (microwaved, I'm that lazy)
C - multi-cereal bread
liquorice/mint herbal tea (no need for sugar, the flavor is strong)
Perhaps I should add a fruit but somehow fruit is less appealing at night.

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I started counting my stupid points again, which is automatically engrained in my head and is my default setting. LOL. But then I remember how much I hate it. I don't know. I just don't want to gain weight either. Well you can still count points and follow noS if you want. Just make sure to avoid S...

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When you say you quit No-S, what does that mean? Does it mean you are following another diet now? Or are you eating whatever you want whenever you like? Just curious. EDIT: well maybe not just curious. It's just that NoS is so logical I just can't understand how one can "quit" it. Adding tweaks, add...

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I have some other ideas for new sections
"beginner's corner"
"N days and N food"
"S days and S food"
"Testimonials" (and requests for specific testimonials)

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I decided to make super small changes across the board. Exercise a bit more, eat a bit less at each N day meal and really think before S-ing on S days. I don't call that tweaking ;) for me it's a normal step in the NoS learning process. Once your habits get somewhat strong, most people need to expe...

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Skipping meals is not practical because you are more likely to have cravings later. That said, sometimes it is unavoidable, don't worry too much about it. As long as it doesn't happen too often and doesn't result in a failed N day, it's fine... Sometimes when there is no time for a regular meal, I g...

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Hello Jamie, I have not really experienced a "weight gain" but there was a time in my 2nd month when it looked like my weight was creeping up (see chart in signature). What I did was follow advice on the board regarding meal composition i.e. do have at least as many veggies/fruit as complex carbs at...

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Congratulations Blueskighs!

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I'm a member! I'm a member! I want a little club badge! (how about an icon or avatar?) Well I wear a belt so they didn't actually fall down. But last year's almost too tight to wear jeans are now very loose, and new jeans I bought last August are now loose too! They definitely fall down if I don't w...

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I too have an exercise routine. I don't think it helped with the weight loss itself, but it does help with general health, and therefore with NoS compliance. I usually start the day with back and buttock stretches, then I have some light rehab/strength training (shoulder rehab M/Th, abs and back Tu/...

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I agree. Not every N day is perfect, not every week is perfect, not every month is perfect. As long as a majority of each is good, why worry? Unless you anticipate that such an accumulation of forced S days will happen frequently in the future, you don't even need to devise a way to limit the S-ness...

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@Blithe Morning: careful, it's addictive :P @BrightAngel: yes I find it rather encouraging to look at. @blueskighs: I have to agree with you, habitcal is unique and perhaps adding mainstream-like features would make things muddled. @fkwan: I must say I don't count calories. At all. I made kebab an S...

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Has the people who have tried this diet really lost weight? Yes. Lots of people, myself included. if so how long did it take to notice? The first month I started to lose weight (2lbs?), but I was stalled in my 2nd month. I didn't give up and adjusted my meal composition to have fewer failures (some...

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Can't resist bragging especially since my weight seems to be decreasing again after a 3-month long plateau. So here's the updated chart in lbs with comments.

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One of my N-day meals is bigger than the others too - for me that's lunch which I eat at the canteen at my workplace (they usually have enough variety that I can find something which is both reasonably healthy and enjoyable most days). I have a standard plate of food and a dessert plate of cut-up fr...

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Hmm... had a pastry at lunch and some chocolate through the day (very rich, dark chocolate). I ended up sick from the chocolate and had only a little bit of melon for supper. I did have some chocolate today but hopefully I can restrain myself a little better (errrrr I mean make wiser food choices th...

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Failures are an integral part of the NoS learning experience. Ask yourself "why did it happen?" and take measures to minimise the chances of it occurring again. If unable to resist _this_ sweet, or in _those_ circumstances, avoid being exposed to them. It's _way_ easier to avoid temptation than to f...

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Is it possible to take a plate of food and just graze on it till your next meal? On weekends, yes. On N-days, no way. This is explicitly forbidden by the "No snacks" rule and very bad regarding habit forming. Also it would give off a very sloppy image of yourself. Also "grazing" food is probably le...

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Failures are part of the noS experience

Don't fret over it, just try to learn when/what/how to eat so that it does not happen again. If you are like me you will have many more failures - I learn slowly - just keep going!

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laphillips wrote:Are they allowed on the diet, or are they considered a sweet?

Both! you should not have them on N-days because they trick your brains into keeping the habit to have sweets and desserts everyday. But you can have them on weekends if you want them.

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How about not buying the sweets, or hiding them? How about preparing your breakfast foods the night before so that you have everything ready and don't have to make decisions when you are still sleepy? You could also try having complex carbs at dinner so that your blood sugar levels don't fall down q...

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Got a nasty knock last week. Now I am left with anxiety - which explains why I am posting at 6am. Let it pass or do something about it? I had a failure on Monday, somehow I fell back into old habits such as "finish your plate" and "don't waste food" and ate too much pasta. I have to exercise more re...

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Mavilu wrote:[quote='Imt2pt"]My S day ...

Mavilu you mixed single and double quotes. Use double quote marks.

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Finding meal formulas that enable you to follow noS effortlessly may require some adaptation depending on the indidual. So yes, have what you normally would have at meals, and listen to your body. If you have trouble following the noS diet rules, it may help to adjust your meals. You may need fuller...

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When I first read about the program, it looked like it made sense. No real deprivation...no 'being good or bad', just limiting your intake to 3 meals and enjoying what you missed on the weekend. Am I wrong? Thanks. Well, you are right. The basic rules of noS are what's important AND sustainable. It...

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I feel competent right now because a few daily life problems that have bothered me for several months are being resolved. 1) finally the letting agency admitted they had made a mistake when computing my rent increase and they will reimburse me and lower the rent. 2) I replaced the broken crank as me...

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I just realized that I was exposed to several (5?) things somewhat earlier than other kids and it may explain some things about myself. Last night I had a variation of my usual flying dream. Usually I dream that I can fly by stretching my arms like a kite and relaxing in the wind. It requires concen...

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FYI I started at BMI 26.5 and am now down to BMI 23, 15 months later. So, yes, it could make you lose weight. Or maintain. Of course it depends on many variables... is the noS way of life something that appeals to you and that you could sustain for the rest of your life?

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Last year when I started noS I would eat fruit before the main course at lunch because I was afraid the acidity and sugar would make me hungry in the afternoon. I gave that up after a few months and went back to an ordinary course order. Now I am back to eating fruit first. Someone else fills my pla...

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If they've already had supper then a snack is not useful. However, if they have not yet had supper, then they are probably hungry. How about having a non-sweet snack on hand? (fruit, plain bread, if they ask for it). Unfortunately healthy snacks often have a limited shelf-life! So this might not be ...

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That's great Lindalou. I mean, about the days on habit :) Don't trust individual scale reading ;) One option is to weigh yourself only once per month or even less (i.e. only weigh yourself when you notice a difference in your body or the way your clothes fit). The other (rather obsessive) option is ...

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Your weight was fairly stable before you started noS, but wasn't it because your eating patterns were the same whatever the day ? NoS is inherently cyclic and personally I almost always weigh 1-2 pounds more on Mondays than on Fridays. Sometimes it's more than that - stomach/bowel/bladder contents c...

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One pound is nothing, especially over the weekend. Think about it, on noS your weekend eating patterns are different from your week day eating patterns. I routinely am 1-2 pounds heavier on Monday than on Friday. You need to compute averages to get an idea about your progress. Click here to see an o...

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Remember, the goal of the one plate rule [edit: actually there is no such rule, it's only a way to say "no seconds"] is that you have all your food in front of you at once, partly so that you are shamed if you have really too much, and partly so that you can learn to associate the visual perception ...

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Another weekend, same mistakes. 1) I will NOT order a preset menu at the Jap restaurant ever again. I will pick individual courses in reasonable quantity myself. Even if I'm tired. Let's say, salad, 2 sushis or 4 sashimis, two meat yakitoris, two mushroom or vegetable yakitoris if available, rice. 2...

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When I was still medically overweight I steadily lost about half a pound per week. At this rate, you can't really check your progress daily or weekly because of a lot of small glitches that add up to differences of up to 3 pounds in the same week depending on stomach/bowels/bladder contents, water r...

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Easter. Chocolate. Way Too Much Chocolate . Ugh. Guess I'll be stuck on that plateau a little longer. So. I brought the broken crank of my roll-down shutter to the hardware shop. They replaced the broken part, it almost fits. I will just have to saw a little bit off and screw it in place. Meanwhile ...

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Fool that I am, I had forgotten that I am not doing this for vanity but for health. I need to forget about becoming a great martial artist, hiking or kick-starting scooters. HEALTH FIRST !!!!! I swear I will never ever kick-start a scooter again. I will sell mine if it comes down to that. Okay, I am...

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I seem to have settled into some kind of lighter routine exercise-wise. I think I will not go back to my previous routine. Possibly it was too demanding and not sustainable. Or possibly it's an effect of winter. I've actually felt cooped up and desirous of aerobic exercise lately! And also I want so...

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Difficulties. N failures, wild S days, broken routine, out-of-order appliances, noisy neighbors, missed english lessons, empty fridge, boxes everywhere, stressful job, winter and stuck shutters. I feel tired and powerless. Come on. I'll try to remove that bodywork again and if I make no progress aft...

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Hmmm... first you wait 4h30 between meals then 3h30 then 2h30. And then you fast for 5 hours before going to bed. I'd suggest either scrapping the afternoon meal and having more filling lunch and dinner meals, or delaying dinner until 19:00 or 20:00. Also you might want to look into what you are eat...

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I was punished for procrastinating : I spent Thursday evening hurriedly moving furniture around and toweling up the water that had escaped from my water heater, and hurrying to the grocery shop to buy some bottled water for drinking and basic hygiene since I had to turn off the water in my flat, and...

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Hello Tessy, perhaps it is a bit unnecessary really to worry so much about sugar. If there is a little added sugar it doesn't hurt. It's the twix and mars bars and candy and soda that hurt. So put those away during the week. You can have them on the weekend. I try to follow nutritional guidelines in...

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Hi Tessy, Please read Reinhart's page on http://www.nosdiet.com if you haven't already done so. Basically, on week days ("N days") you don't eat sweets at all and you don't drink soda at all. However a little bit of sugar in coffee, or in yogurt etc is fine, and the sugar which is naturally containe...

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This weekend has been pretty average food-wise: no stomach ache but nothing very good either. I ate at a Japanese restaurant yesterday: cabbage salad, salmon sushis, duck and mushroom yakitori, rice, and a small plate of assorted sweets. Today was an accidental (or stupidly careless) "chocolate for ...

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Sunday was a very good S day food wise. N-like food (but especially tasty) at breakfast and lunch, no snacks, no seconds (masterfully declined to polish off the remainder of the noodles), a light N-like dinner completed with an extremely satisfying dessert (a kind of pastry that contains chocolate m...

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Hi Murphysraven, for me non-sweet S foods are those that make it too easy to overeat, that trigger binging behavior, or that I am afraid of from a caloric POV. The list of such non-sweet S foods has evolved during the past year, because my habits (and stomach size) have evolved. Banana used to be an...

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Augh. I had an N-like day plus an ordinary treat and a small piece of bread covered with melted chocolate. Stomach ache and sleepiness. Annoying. Should I give up treats or have a single treat AND skip the evening meal ? Problem is, I am afraid a sweet treat and lack of proper diner will make me cra...

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It seems I am back into my routine. I think the diagnosis regarding overeating is correct (too many distractions during meals, bigger than usual platefulls, change of breakfast routine). Also I have to remember that food and exercise influence not only body health but also moods. So feeling down is ...

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