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Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by LoriLifts » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:28 pm

Hi jackn! Yep, the attitude is the prize.

As much as I want to preach and filibuster about the freedom of the No S diet, I mostly keep my mouth shut. No one wants advice unless it's asked for.

For example, last night at strength class, I saw one of the guys who participated in the Tactical Strength Contest. He wasn't happy with his performance. He told me he was starting a "diet" next week. I had to bite my tongue. I hope he reaches his goals.

As for me, I'll stick to No S.
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Post by jackn » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:16 am

Hey, Walker, in the small print, doesn't it say NoSermonizingnt?!
Except when Solicited, mind you.
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Post by oolala53 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:58 pm

Freakin' 15th! I communicate with someone who placed 15th worldwide? IM-PRESSED! Do they figure it by the contestant's weight and how many reps or what? Actually, doesn't matter. Just stellar! Unless your competition was with women like me...

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Post by LoriLifts » Sun May 01, 2016 11:18 pm

Hiya gals!
jackn...it's so tough to not become a No S preacher. I had to swallow my words this morning in kettle-bell class. No S'ermonizing dang it!

Thanks oolala! The 3 moves keep the playing field fair. The heavier contestants can dead lift more. The lighter contestants can do more pullups. The snatch test can be done regardless of weight.

Hey Hey Hey, it's May 1! Time to tackle another 21 day Vanilla S challenge!

Day 1 is a success, 'cause it's Sunday! An S day!
I'm on a roll!
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Post by LoriLifts » Mon May 02, 2016 9:43 pm

Although I sometimes struggle with No Sweets, I'm amazed to discover that my urge to snack is pretty much gone.

I used to be a big time snacker, especially at night. Sometimes I would go to bed at 8pm, to ensure I didn't eat a snack.

I need to remember all the progress I've made. It's so easy to focus on failures and forget about successes.

That being said, today was a GREEN day!
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Post by jackn » Tue May 03, 2016 1:54 am

Where's the dotted line?
Let me sign.

No-snacking. Boy, what a winner.

And, Walker, it sometimes occurs to me as a question. something that's ill-defined, but has been brewing: so, if snacking is wrong, what about physical activity?
Is the intense, concentrated activity 'wrong'?!
Could it be that regular, small doses are what's right?
This won't be far from what they call 'movement', or in a different school, 'greasing the groove'.

What do you think?
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Post by oolala53 » Tue May 03, 2016 3:39 am

I can still remember back when it was such a weird thing not to snack at night after decades of doing it. The night used to seem like such a long stretch.

Lately, I've been aiming at some 16-hour fasts overnight, but I will find myself looking at the clock at night and thinking, "Oh, look at that, only two/three hours until bed and then I sleep during a lot of my fast time." It amuses me that now it seems like such a short time. Was it really such a problem? Yes, habit and dopamine.
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Post by LoriLifts » Thu May 05, 2016 12:46 am

And, Walker, it sometimes occurs to me as a question. something that's ill-defined, but has been brewing: so, if snacking is wrong, what about physical activity?
Is the intense, concentrated activity 'wrong'?!
Could it be that regular, small doses are what's right?
This won't be far from what they call 'movement', or in a different school, 'greasing the groove'.

What do you think?
Hmmmm...this is something to ponder, jackn.
I guess it all boils down to whatever works for you. Even within the 3 No S rules, we're all different. Different foods, different mods,etc. I guess it's finding whatever is a good fit for each person. Same goes for exercise and most things in life. Different strokes for different folks! Uh-oh, I'm showing my age, next I'll be saying "groovy" and "sock-it-to-me".

oolala..I seem to be settling into 16-hour fasts too. I don't want to get too strict, but most days I'm just skipping breakfast and eating an earlier lunch. It's very do-able and doesn't activate my "diet" brain.
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Post by LoriLifts » Mon May 09, 2016 9:54 pm

I ate my way through Las Vegas this weekend.

It began with an almond brioche from a new place by Guy Savoy. It's located in Caesar's Palace, it was fantastic! My last meal was at Old Homestead, an iconic steakhouse that began in NYC. Filet Mignon with truffle butter. Roasted brussel sprouts. Key lime pie and espresso.

I enjoyed and savored my indulgent S day Vegas foods. It was fun but I'm happy that it's an N day!
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Post by oolala53 » Mon May 09, 2016 11:21 pm

The best of several worlds.
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Post by LoriLifts » Tue May 10, 2016 2:51 am

oolala...The best of both worlds is where I want to live!

I'm amazed at how happy I am in the moderation zone. For years and years I've been drawn to extremes.

When we were in Las Vegas, my husband and I did a 5K race. In the past, I would never consider doing less than a half marathon. Now I love doing 10Ks, with some occasional 5Ks.

Same with food. It's so liberating to go out to dinner and order whatever I'm in the mood to eat. As long as it fits on one plate on N days, I'm good to go. One entree, no dessert. Easy Peasey.
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Post by oolala53 » Tue May 10, 2016 3:36 am

:D
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Post by jackn » Tue May 10, 2016 5:41 am

walkerlori wrote:I'm amazed at how happy I am in the moderation zone. For years and years I've been drawn to extremes.
Exactly how I feel.
And feeling happy I'm sure helps me stick to it.
And, I, too, notice the same in exercise.
I allow myself not to push, and I go more for yoga, depending on desire and state of body/mind.

It's become my guiding light: sustainability first.
If it takes white knuckling it, it won't last, and, so, I say no.

Sounds like a terrific Las Vegas time.
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Post by LoriLifts » Fri May 13, 2016 12:25 am

jackn...I'm doing yoga too. I like the calmness of the postures, even though some of them are tough! I think yoga is balancing out the strength stuff. I don't want to be able to lift heavy things but not be able to touch my toes.

Those are wise words about white knuckling. I'm going to remember them.
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Post by jackn » Fri May 13, 2016 5:23 am

Thank you kindly.
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Post by LoriLifts » Mon May 16, 2016 11:46 pm

Good Luck to all of us indeed.
I feel pretty darn confident that we're all on the right path...

In 21 days I'll be attending my annual national company meeting in Los Angeles.

In the past, this meeting is a huge diet trigger. I only see my co-workers once a year. I NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT! I DON'T LOOK GOOD ENOUGH! I LOOK TOO FAT!

This year....I don't know exactly what I weigh. Could I look better...maybe. Maybe not.

I'm comfortable in the skin I'm in.

And that's good enough for me.
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Post by lpearlmom » Tue May 17, 2016 2:48 am

That's big stuff Lori! That's what it comes down to isn't it? Feeling good in our skin. Hope you have a great time!
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Post by oolala53 » Tue May 17, 2016 12:49 pm

Lori, it's hard to imagine you NEEDING to lose weight. If YOU do, then I am really in trouble. Savor your meals and go in peace!
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Post by Over43 » Tue May 17, 2016 1:27 pm

I do believe the strength training will have you looking as good as ever. Be confident and impress them.
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Post by jackn » Tue May 17, 2016 5:40 pm

I like the phrase "diet trigger", WalkerLori.

Today, I was thinking about similar circumstances in my life, which would lead to the thought of needing to lose weight and dieting.

I think calling such circumstances and the resulting urge "diet trigger" helps me see the urges for what they are, not something that deserves consideration and internal discussion.
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Post by oolala53 » Tue May 17, 2016 8:19 pm

A woman who wrote a book about ending bingeing and purging said she established a basic routine for eating and then regarded any urge to deviate as "neurological junk," not worthy of any attention. A similar case could probably be made for any urges to diet for appearance' sake. Or, foisting my own bias here, I like to call it false idolatry.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sat May 21, 2016 9:53 pm

Thanks for all the comments my No S friends.

I think I'll always have a portion of my brain that's attracted to the extremes. All forms of diets are included.

I choose not to listen to the extreme, all or nothing part of my personality anymore.

I faced another test this week.

I had to buy some jeans.

Buying jeans is almost as much as a diet trigger as buying a bathing suit. I need jeans for an event at my upcoming national meeting. So I had to do it.

And guess what? It happened again!

I'm looking at myself in a 3 way mirror in a dressing room. The first couple jeans were too tight. The third pair fit.

I didn't obsess about not fitting into the first couple pairs of jeans.
I didn't berate myself.
I didn't think "I'll buy the smaller pair, then diet until they fit".

I bought the pair of jeans that fit my body.




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Post by jackn » Sun May 22, 2016 9:29 am

walkerlori wrote:I choose not to listen to the extreme, all or nothing part of my personality anymore.
And, so,
walkerlori wrote:I bought the pair of jeans that fit my body
After all, a fit lady needs jeans that fit.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun May 22, 2016 6:14 pm

Hiya jackn!

I want to start writing more in my little thread. In an effort to do so, I'm going to write a couple sentences everyday. If I'm out of town, I'll do the best I can.

Went to a kick a$$ kettle bell class this morning. For the past couple months, my priority has been strength. That means my cardio has been neglected. I was gasping for air during class, the good news is that I didn't keel over!
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Post by jackn » Mon May 23, 2016 6:01 am

Hey, Walker.

Would you care to share?
What makes you wish to check in more regularly?
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Post by oolala53 » Mon May 23, 2016 8:16 pm

You bought jeans that fit you now? Better watch out; you just might be "going sane."
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Post by jackn » Tue May 24, 2016 4:34 am

I thought, Oolala, you were gonna say that Walker should out as, before too long, the jeans will start hanging loose on her.
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Post by oolala53 » Tue May 24, 2016 4:24 pm

No need for that. Nor would there be much advantage, at least not in my book, esp. given how slim you are. :P
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Post by LoriLifts » Wed May 25, 2016 2:20 am

Hi my friends!

oolala...Doesn't it seem crazy that I'm amazed when I buy jeans that actually fit my body? Seems like that should be what everybody does. I'm dipping my toe into the "sane" pool!

jackn... This No S forum has given me so support through the years. I feel like I should be a more active participant. Problem is, some days, it's tough to think of what to write about!

I'm working out of town all week. I've been working long hours and didn't do a good job planning my meals. As a result, I've been breaking the No Snacks rule. It stops now before it becomes a habit again.
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Post by jackn » Wed May 25, 2016 5:50 am

walkerlori wrote:This No S forum has given me so support through the years. I feel like I should be a more active participant. Problem is, some days, it's tough to think of what to write about!
I see - give back to the community.
Strike your own balance, Walker.
walkerlori wrote:I've been breaking the No Snacks rule. It stops now before it becomes a habit again.
Good job.

Walker, you've shared your push-up success here.
I felt good this morning as, more and more, I manage to get into full bridge with ease, without contorting and forcing: https://www.google.fr/search?tbm=isch&q ... ika4bJqJgD
Thought it was only a spectator sport for me...

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Post by oolala53 » Wed May 25, 2016 7:21 am

We (in my yoga classes) used to call it an upward bow. Those days are over for me, I think. I never could get my armpits completely open and my arms straight. Now it gives me a shaky feeling to think about even trying, at least without a pretty strong spotter.
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Post by jackn » Wed May 25, 2016 8:28 pm

oolala53 wrote:an upward bow... armpits completely open and my arms straight.
Good pointers.
I was so concentrated on merely getting my mid-section to rise, that havet paid attention to little else.
Mainly concentrated on pushing with legs and arms, and sticking hips and chest out and up.

Anyway, not out to set any records.
Just working out and observing the journey.

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Post by LoriLifts » Fri May 27, 2016 10:58 pm

Congrats jackn! Full bows ain't easy!

Soon I'll be going to my national sales meeting in Los Angeles. We received an e-mail about food. If we needed special meals, gluten-free, vegan, etc.

I'm happy to report that I don't need any special meals! I'll eat whatever is served! My only rule will be No Sweets 'cause I'll be at my meeting on N days.

Holy cow, when I think back to national meetings in the past. Depending on the year, I may have been vegan, raw vegan, vegetarian, primal, grain-free. I remember one national meeting in the '90s. I was eating zero carb, which limited my meals to meat,cheese and water! Craziness!

This year, my meals will be whatever fits on my plate. Easy and no drama.
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Post by jackn » Sat May 28, 2016 3:47 am

Thanx.

I so agree about food freedom.
I think there's no food sanity without food freedom.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sat May 28, 2016 1:09 pm

I so agree about food freedom.
I think there's no food sanity without food freedom
I agree with you jackn. Whenever I have been on a specific food plan, I would obsess about what I could eat. If it was paleo, I spend lots of time on the internet researching grain-free desserts. I could easily be in the supermarket for an hour looking for paleo approved food.

I better quit typing and get to kettle bell class.

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Post by LoriLifts » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:52 pm

I'm working out of town this week.
I'm waiting for my room service order.
Despite being able to order anything I want (per diem rocks!), I placed a No S order.
Here's an example of the room service menu..Flourless Chocolate Cake with freshly whipped cream and raspberry coulis.
That would be delicious!
Alas, today is Wednesday, an N day.
My order was a bunless burger with a side of fruit.
It fit on one plate, so I'm good to go!
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Post by oolala53 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:32 pm

Out of curiosity, why no bun? No unrefined options?

Chocolate and raspberry are a favorite combination of mine, too. But I say you made the right choice, not that my opinion matters.

Do you know of any people who were able to use kettlebell training to overcome little knee and shoulder problems? I'm not committed yet, but am considering using a trainer, since physical therapists never worked. Or were too limited in sessions by insurance and way too expensive on their own. But I'm not quite ready to gamble and lose, just getting info.
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Post by LoriLifts » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:32 pm

Home again!

I've spent most of the last couple weeks on the road, Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Can't say I was 100% compliant. The good news is I'm back on No S, in the middle of the week. In the past, I would wait until Monday.

Hi oolala! Ha! You caught my "low carb" room service meal! I'm definitely not
identifying myself as low carb. I just happened to do so on that day.

If you can find a certified kettlebell instructor, the movements might helpful to you. I practice a form of kettlebell instruction from Russia. It's called StrongFirst. They emphasis proper technique and movement. It's hard on my ego, I think I'm doing great and my movements get corrected, but I'm in for the long term.
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Post by oolala53 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:49 pm

I am all over the place with my meals, though I'd be very unlikely to cook a hamburger and French fries at home. I can never believe it when people at work think I'm a vegetarian. I don't know if it's because they see a lot of vegetables or stuff is often in sauces or what. I probably do eat less meat than some, but it's definitely in the mix, and even with no starch, sometimes! It's not terribly calculated.
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Post by LoriLifts » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:39 am

Hi oolala..I'm all over the place with my meals too, on purpose. I don't want to do the "I'm a (fill in the blank)" anymore. Lately I seem to be eating more potatoes. The other week I was on a fruit kick. I'm just going with the flow and staying on the No S path.

Dang, it's hot this weekend in New Mexico. I was registered to do a 10K race on Saturday night. When I stepped outside, the thermometer read 99 degrees. I turned around and went back inside my house. That's the first time I ever skipped a race. In the past I would have sweated through the miles, feeling miserable. I'm glad I don't live in the past anymore!
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Post by Emmama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:09 am

Dang, it's hot this weekend in New Mexico.
I feel ya...it's hot in Texas, too, just an oven.

Good for you for deciding against the 10k...that kind of heat with exertion can really make you sick...

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Post by LoriLifts » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:44 pm

Hi Emmama!
Yep, it's a big deal for me, to skip a race. I've done hundreds of races, ranging from 6-50 miles. I never ever, would have considered doing this, in my past extreme life.

I like that I'm not doing the extreme stuff anymore. However....I do need to get back on the No S wagon. Lately I haven't been too compliant.

oolala, are you out there? I need a gentle kick in the pants to get me on the right path!!
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Post by oolala53 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:12 am

Yes, I'm here! I try to keep the kicks gentle, but it's all relative!

Ok, I'll just ask some questions, and you don't have to answer me, just yourself.

I am one to think that someone really has to be overeating consistently to have any reason to purposely muck with eating habits. Is it possible, even without adhering to No S, that your eating already IS reasonable and moderate? If so, see if you could imagine backing off on yourself. If you can honestly say that you know your eating does or could get out of hand pretty easily, on to the next questions .


What are the benefits of eating moderately and according to the protocol? Are there any essential joys that you have to give up to do stick to the plan, joys that seriously affect the quality of your life? Are those joys worth more than the benefits of limiting frequency and amount? Is there better way for you to keep your eating reasonable and sustainable?

(I think the most frequent reasons for failure is that the program does not really feel fair and reasonable for the payoff, or the person thinks there might be a better, more pleasurable way to do the same thing. But this takes real honesty.)

No need to answer me.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:37 pm

oolala...Thank you for the thoughtful post. I've been thinking about your questions since your post.

For the past couple weeks I've been reflecting on my behaviors and habits. On my successes and failures and what the patterns seem to be.

Although I don't consider myself a binge eater, I do spend too much time thinking about food. Too much time obsessing about why I can't stick to Vanilla S.

One day I was browsing books on Amazon. There was a book called Never Binge Again by Glenn Livingston PH.D. It was free to download on my kindle so I figured, why not?

The author's approach to stopping overeating resonated with me. I don't think I can summarize it in this post. The website is www.NeverBingeAgain.com The book is free to download on the site.

So long story short...Thank you oolala. Your response guided me to dig deep and ask myself some tough questions. Instead of doing the same mistakes over and over, I tried something different. I'm back on the path I want to be on.

Yipes, this post is getting too heavy.
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Post by oolala53 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:45 am

Oh, my.

I've read Livingston's book. I liked it, too. I have to say as someone who felt a lot of shame over feeling like a fat pig (even when I weighed only a little more I do now), I was glad I had been able to have a bit of a sense of humor over his terminology when I read it, but I'm not sure a lot of bingers could without a little handholding. But he does work with compulsive overeaters, so I assume his approach must resonate with a fair number. Some have said his approach is geared for men, but one of the women on one of my other sites liked it, too. His insistence that people make their guidelines basically situational, much like No S, is right on. And I love that it's free! A real public service. I wish it had had the resonance for me that it had for you. I had already read Jack Trimpey's book years ago in which he talks about the "Feast Beast." Like many things, it worked for awhile. But anything can be the last piece in the puzzle.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:55 pm

Hi oolala!

So far so good, integrating the No S system with Dr Livingston's method.

My only temptation is to track my Vanilla S days, so I can declare success with the 21 day challenge. Trouble is, once I complete a goal, I give myself permission to stop doing the behaviors that made me successful. Dr Livingston talks about this in his book, I was glad to know I'm not alone in this type of thinking.

Many times I would have a goal to do a particular marathon and train for many months. I would complete the race, then stop running. Heck, I even did it this year, when I had the goal of doing a pull up. I worked hard to accomplish it. I completed a perfect pull up in April, since that time I've done zero.

So, no more goals for me, they are too black and white. Instead, I'm thinking in terms of sticking to the systems I do day in and day out. My No S system is solidly in place.
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Post by oolala53 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:59 am

I left for a retreat a little after your comment on my thread and didn't even know it was there until now. Thank you!

I know there is SO much emphasis on goals, but they can SO often backfire, if habit is what we really want. I've done that same thing with dance, do lots of working out before a dance camp, and then sit on the couch for a month afterwards. The goal people will say someone with a goal say, for a wedding, will lose more weight, but what about six months later?

Don't know if I've made it obvious here but I look at the people of the Blue Zones info a lot. They do not run marathons! In fact, they don't run... The do walk up hill. They dig in the garden, etc. (But they don't have to sit to work, either. )They aren't buff. Some of them are chunky! But damn happy. (They don't have media images of professional beauties blasting them everywhere. No strip clubs or Playboy or Self yada yada yada.) And they go on and on with no meds into their 90's.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:46 pm

Hope you had a terrific retreat oolala!

Your post about goals was very timely. I'm thinking of skipping the next Tactical Strength Contest in October. The thought of competing seems to be triggering my diet brain.

The conversation in my head...

"Yipes, the TSC is only 10 weeks away. I don't think I can get ready in such a small amount of time".

"Losing some weight would sure make pull ups easier. I wonder how much I could lose in 10 weeks? I bet I could lose 15-20 lbs if I really commit".

Then the rest of the afternoon is spent googling "10 week body transformations".

Good thing I recognize the destructive pattern before it begins.

Maybe next April I'll participate. Until then, I'll stick to No S and Dr Livingston.
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:37 pm

My house is in more disarray than usual. We are finally doing some much needed renovation.

The dust and dirt sucks. What's great is that I'm researching home improvement ideas instead of food stuff. I'm not thinking about food at all (but I've spent lots of time looking at DIY fireplace fillers).
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Post by lpearlmom » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:49 am

So hard to get rid of that diet head and no matter how much we lose, it never seems to be enough. So awesome you're learning to curb those tendencies. That's big!

You are beautiful & perfect just the way you are!

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Post by LoriLifts » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:47 pm

Thanks for the kind and wise words Linda.

Sometimes I marvel at the fact that at 59 years old, the diet thoughts still swirl up in my head. The same internal dialog I had when I was 30 years old!

I am happy that I am now able to identify and cut off my diet head before it creates havoc.

Hey, maybe I am getting wiser as I get older!
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Post by clarinetgal » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:59 am

Just wanted to say hi. It looks like you're doing well!

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Post by oolala53 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:23 am

I can't see your pic that well on my little screen but from what I can see, I don't know where those 20 lbs. would come from!

I envy you having something compelling to take your mind off all this. Thinking about really trying to pin down someone to do work I need on my house and what actually to do is sure not as easy or fun than just getting caught up in all this. :roll:
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Post by LoriLifts » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:55 pm

Hi CGal!
Hi oolala!

:D :D :D :D

As I type, new walls are being put up in my guest bathroom. The sound of drilling drowns out any "diet brain" noises!
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Post by oolala53 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:03 pm

A fair trade?
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:06 pm

I was at my kettle bell gym this morning.
Another BTC is starting on Sept 3. BTC is a 12 week Body Transformation Contest.
A couple members were talking about participating. This conversation activated my diet brain that had been dormant for most of the summer.

I started thinking "Maybe a challenge would be a good kick in the pants. I've been pretty consistent with my food and exercise but could always do better."

I started thinking "If the challenge begins on Sept 3, I better cut out my S days for the duration. Maybe I'll just eat what I want until then. On Sept 3 I'll really get focused".

RED FLAGS! RED FLAGS ALL OVER THE PLACE!


It's taken most of the day but I've banished these crazy thoughts from my head.

No 12 week challenges. No mods or tweaks. Vanilla S everyday.
Sometimes it's hard for me to read small print..

VANILLA S EVERYDAY!
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Post by e-lyn » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:39 am

I couldn't agree more! The mods and tweaks are so tempting, but it's a slippery slope. You did great talking yourself out of it!

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Post by LoriLifts » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:08 am

Thanks e-lyn!

The good thing about starting and stopping No S a million times is that I can't fool myself. I know all my mind games!
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Post by Merry » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:50 am

LOL, nothing like a contest to give the ol' diet-head a jolt, eh?! I have friends who seem to have so much fun with their contests...but they just don't work with NoS. And truthfully, I don't want to eat in that way anyway! Or go crazy with exercise and then slack off for months afterwards. I need sustainable changes all around.
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Post by oolala53 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:38 am

How are you faring? Managing to stay out of the competitive fray?
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Post by LoriLifts » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:37 am

Thanks for checking on me, my No S buddies!

oolala...On Saturday I'm attending an all day workshop on barbell training. Sounds like I'm dipping my toe back into the competitive stuff, but I'm not! I'm attending because I like lifting heavy things. I know I'm staying on the right path because the next strength challenge is on Oct 1, AND I'M NOT REGISTERED! :D :D

My husband and I just got back from a trip to the Grand Canyon. I'm happy to report that we did a moderate hike. We've hiked the Canyon many times, most were arduous, long, and kind of torturous.

This time we hiked for about 4 hours, perfect!

This moderation lifestyle is terrific!
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Post by oolala53 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:54 pm

You have my approval to attend occasional lifting workshops. :P

You sure do get around! I love the Grand Canyon. Did you just walk down for about a third of the time and then turn around? I've been, but I can't remember if there are trails that allow something else.
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Post by LoriLifts » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:52 pm

It's a deal oolala, I'll attend the barbell class, but I will keep a moderate mind!

When we were in our "extreme" mode, my husband I hiked from the north side to the south rim of the canyon...28 miles in one day! We did it twice!

Fast forward to my moderate ways. 3 miles up and 3 miles down is A-ok with me!
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:14 am

Just came home from my barbell strength seminar. I was (by far) the oldest participant. Only 2 women attended. The rest of the class were burly strongmen. Guys that look like they spend many hours in the gym.

The teacher was a big, beefy guy who is a strength coach.

We practiced deadlifts and barbell squats and military presses.

I learned a whole bunch of stuff. The biggest take away is this...EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!

Our teacher says it's no good to train in extremes. Slow, consistent training is the best way to make gains. He says that the people who go "full beast mode" usually will get eventually injured. Better to train in the 60-70% zone. THE MODERATE ZONE!

Once again moderation is the superior method!
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Post by lpearlmom » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:18 am

Yay moderation wins out again! I can't tell you how many people I know that do crossfit end up getting injured.

Pretty cool that you're comfortable being in a male dominated sport. You're a great role model for young girls. &#128077;
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Post by oolala53 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:23 pm

Thumbs up.
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Post by LoriLifts » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:05 pm

Thanks for the comments my No S buddies!

I may register for the Tactical Strength Challenge on Oct 1. Not to be the best in my gym, just to test myself. If I participate, I will not attempt to lose a couple lbs before the event. If I participate, it will be because I love lifting and pulling heavy stuff. If I participate, it will be because it's fun, not because I feel obligated to do so.

Instead of jumping in impulsively (like I usually do),I will take a step back and think about it for a couple days.

Progress! I'm making progress!
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Post by Whosonfirst » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:40 pm

Lori, will you do the pullups section of test again? Whosonfirst(Trace)

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Post by LoriLifts » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:14 am

Where's everybody been?

Oh wait, it's me who's been gone. You all have been here.

Super duper recap...

I participated in the Tactical Strength Contest on Oct 1. My pull ups attempts were alas, unsuccessful. I lifted 210 lbs on the dead lift. My dead lift last spring was 235 lbs. I completed 100 KB snatches in 5 min. Last spring it was 110 snatches.

The next Tactical Strength Contest is April 8, 2017. That's the same month that I turn 60 years old. I don't have any specific goals. I just want to train consistently and see what happens.

My diet goals are the same as my training goals. I'm following No S without focusing on what I weigh. Most days I've been No S compliant. I would like to string together 21 days of Vanilla S. November may be the month to do so.

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Post by oolala53 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:23 am

Between Halloween and Thanksgiving is a nice time for a Vanilla streak. Or from now.
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Post by LoriLifts » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:14 pm

oolala53 wrote:Between Halloween and Thanksgiving is a nice time for a Vanilla streak. Or from now.
Or maybe from now...

Hey Hey Hey everybody!
I'm back from my self imposed hiatus.
My habits were pretty solid for quite a while. However, the last couple months have been wishy washy at best.

Time to dust off my HabitCal and get back on track, for cryin' out loud!
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Post by oolala53 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:14 pm

I made all kinds of promises to myself about this month and have pretty much broken all of them. Those dang old thoughts and habits just keep circling around. Tired of trying to figure it out but not ready to throw in the towel, either. And my weight is actually relatively steady.

Here's to a great countdown week!
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Post by LoriLifts » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:31 pm

oolala53 wrote:I made all kinds of promises to myself about this month and have pretty much broken all of them. Those dang old thoughts and habits just keep circling around. Tired of trying to figure it out but not ready to throw in the towel, either. And my weight is actually relatively steady.

Here's to a great countdown week!
We got this!
We're gonna turn this month around!
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Post by LoriLifts » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:22 am

Hello Hello Hello!

Yes, I am alive and kicking.

Two weeks ago, I completed my annual 100 mile Big Walk in Phoenix. This is a 6 day event that began on Dec 28 and ended on Jan 3. I've been a participant for several years. I like to use this time walking to reflect on the previous year and plan for the upcoming one.

Some years I have several goals. This year, only one.

Vanilla S 2017.

I have several strength events planned for 2017. The first one is scheduled on April 8. I'm resisting the siren call of "special diets". Vanilla S works and I will trust the process.

Onward we all go...
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Post by Amy3010 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:07 am

Wow! That's quite a walking event! There is a 100 km event here that I've thought of doing over the years, but it starts on Friday night at 9 pm and you have until Saturday night at 9 pm to finish - so within 24 hours and walking through the night, which has always put me off doing it.

Good luck with your one big goal for 2017 - I'm with you on that!

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Post by oolala53 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:54 am

Maybe you want to join the 2017 Challenge on the general discussion forum? Though I don't know whether people will keep checking in often enough to be reminded they've committed to it. It's mostly newbies but a few veterans joined.
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Post by lpearlmom » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:54 pm

Hi Lori ! Great to see you again. I remember you doing that walk last year. I really should try it. Maybe next year!

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Post by Over43 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:38 am

Glad you are still doing the strength events. If I had any normal vertebrae between my hips and mid-back I would powerlift. I loved it when I was young.
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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:35 pm

Someone asked a question about a post you made about going keto. Are you still doing that?
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