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Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by automatedeating » Sun May 10, 2020 11:55 pm

I bet you miss all your social groups! And I'm sure all your friends miss your enthusiastic and supportive presence, as well!

Interesting you said you need to cut down on the fatty foods. LOL, that's exactly what I have to face - for me, it's massive quantities of cream in my coffee everyday that I think might be causing me to gain weight. :roll: Ugh. I hate being hungry and I think the only solution is to have a little hunger sometimes. Sigh.
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Post by ladybird30 » Mon May 11, 2020 4:52 am

Thanks for the kind words Auto.

Yes, calories still count. I also hate being hungry, but I pick my battles and find being hungrier earlier in the day much easier to tolerate
than later. So I don't usually have my first meal til late morning.

Some restrictions have just been lifted here, so I can now visit my friend's homes for garden working bees. Yayyy!
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Post by ladybird30 » Sun May 31, 2020 8:54 pm

Monthly update:

May

26 days: 3 meals a day
5 days: unplanned snacks

The effect of cutting back a bit on the extra fat at mealtimes was to make me hungrier & lead to unplanned snacking.
Net effect on my weight - zero as far as I can tell

Weight still sitting between 140 and 142.

Still exercising. My hiking group has resumed with shorter walks. No car pooling, so all walk are in the local forests, of which we have quite a lot.

For June I will be concentrating on 3 meals a day. I want to get that base line solid.
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Post by ladybird30 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:35 am

Wow, over 3 months since I posted last. I am still doing No S, my weight chugging along around 142 lbs for June and July.
Then after logging my food for a month on a calorie counter, I dropped a couple of lbs. A month is as much as I could bear, but it did show
me where I could cut a few calories relatively painlessly. (I didn't eat to a calorie target, just noted a rough count of what I ate).

Current weight: 137 after being sick and not eating much for a week. I expect there will a bit of rebound as
my appetite gets back to normal.

One thing that please me is that after several years of practicing NoS, my former habit of overeating at meal
times has disappeared without me really noticing it. Earlier this year, not long after lock down started, I found my
weight creeping up a bit with a bit of comfort eating & unwise food choices. But I was able to nip that quickly
in the bud. What a change.
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Post by automatedeating » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:15 pm

Great news and update! Glad you are feeling better after being sick.
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Post by Soprano » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:39 pm

Always good to hear from you Ladybird

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Post by oolala53 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:41 am

I logged calories for two months, I think, at the beginning of 2020. I was looking for a certain limit to protein and fat, and had relapsed a fair amount at the end of 2019, so I was willing to do it to recalibrate things. It helped me see what reasonable meals looked like. Just the idea of having to track forever is enough normally to keep me pretty honest about how much I serve myself.
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Post by Octavia » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:42 am

Hey Ladybird,
Great to hear from you and this all sounds very positive. Calorie tracking for short periods of time is a good idea I think. I occasionally do vague ‘tot-ups’ of roughly how much I’m eating, and it helps to remind me whether I can truly expect to lose any weight.

Hope your week goes well!

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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:47 am

Well, my rebound eating went on a bit longer than I expected, and what with the extra food and the lack of
exercise, and not feeling particularly well, my weight went up to 147. Feeling a lot better now.

At the start of December I finally got myself together enough to start logging my food. A few days later I twisted my knee.
While this has meant that I have had to be very careful and gradual about getting fit again, it has helped me much with
my motivation. Those few days before I could hobble around the block with a stick and knee brace gave me an unwelcome
glimpse of what it is like to not be able to do things. I can see more knee problems in my future if I don't get a bit
more weight off.

Today my weight is down to 143. I have only made two changes from my usual NoS practice. One is logging my food and paying attention to my hunger and satiety levels. Boring, boring, boring, but it has given me clear insight that it doesn't take much going overhungry or not eating enough at meals to lead to snacks or overeating.

The other is if I do have a day where I am extra hungry, I have a snack or two and don't count it as a failure. And the next day or two, I make sure that I have bigger meals.

Actually, there is one other change to how I was eating during October and November - I have cut out for the moment some energy dense foods which I have found from experience aren't compatible with weight loss. At least, not in the quantities I eat them if they are in the house.
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Post by ladybird30 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:58 am

Weight this morning 143, so no weight loss in the last week.

Still sticking to 3 meals per day, had one midnight snack after I misjudged things and was too hungry to sleep.
I made sure I ate more the next day or so. Still logging my food to keep accountable, & making sure that I am hungry before
I eat. I will see how I go the next week before doing any other changes.
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Post by automatedeating » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:38 pm

Looking forward to hearing about your week and how things go for you this week.
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Post by ladybird30 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:20 am

Thanks Auto.

Mon - success. Still have an upset stomach, suspect result of overindulgence in bacon last week.
Tues - success. Felt very tired and stressed after my morning walk before having an earlier than usual breakfast. Had a large breakfast and felt a lot better after. Spent a lot of the day catching up on sleep. Had to exert will power to stop eating dinner while I could still call it moderate. Woke up wanting to eat during the night (unusual) but ignored it.
Wed- success, but a bit wonky. Didn't have a proper lunch, because I couldn't be bothered, and was over hungry as a result
by dinner time. Dinner was delicious, and moderate. Bought 4 yellow clingstone peaches this morning, an old variety but a goody and ate them all today.
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Post by automatedeating » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:05 pm

peaches. Yum! That reminds me of your lovely climate. :-)
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Post by ladybird30 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:14 am

Lovely most of the time, but will not be when it gets to 43 deg C (109 deg F) in a few days. We do have lovely fruit.
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Post by ladybird30 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:05 am

Thurs 21 Jan success, although hungry again in the night (ignored). Not sure why, as I feel like I
am eating plenty during the day. May be due to disturbed sleep interfering with circadian rhythms.
Fri 22 success
Sat 23 success, but had was aware of a desire to dive into the food before breakfast. Also had to ignore
mid afternoon desire for food - wasn't sure if it was true hunger or not, but waited until usual meal time.
Also hungry in the night again. I am having disturbed sleep due to various lower back and knee problems.
I am doing a lot of self treatment, but am really looking forward to physical therapy again once I have
been vaccinated against the dreaded.
Sun 24 success, 3 meals as usual.
Mon 25 - went out for morning walk. Will be hibernating against the heat the rest of the day. The local kangaroos have been coming in to my yard to rest up in the shade during the day. We treat each other with wary respect - some of
the males are quite big boys. There is also a female and a joey who are regulars.
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Post by ladybird30 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:10 am

Found myself doing something I hardly ever do - unconscious eating. It was really minor, just the remains of some cooked rice
while clearing up. But it was a surprise when I caught myself at it. I like to have a definite end to my meals, and eating while
clearing up after doesn't fit. Remembered Reinhard's "fence around the law" and "comical strictness".
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Post by automatedeating » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:21 pm

Good for you to notice a little weak spot in that fence!
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Post by ladybird30 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:30 pm

Thanks Auto. It is my hope that attending to the small lapses will help prevent the big ones.
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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:32 am

As I have not lost any appreciable weight in the last 3 weeks, it is time for a review.

When I started getting back on track at the beginning of last December, I promised myself that I would
do whatever it takes to get rid of more of the remaining excess weight around my middle.

My 3 meals a day compliance is good. I am hungry at meal times. I feel that that habit is pretty solid now. But I am still eating a bit too much at meals sometimes. So that needs to go.

I have been concentrating on 3 substantial meals per day. Time to get back to dishing my whole
meal out at once, and not going back for seconds. So success needs to be not only 3 meals per day, but no seconds
as well. Sweets aren't a problem - I enjoy sweet foods up to a point, but find fresh fruit sweet enough. And baked
Hawaiian sweet potato is pretty much like eating cake. (Alright, I like plain food).
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Post by automatedeating » Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:46 pm

Haha about the sweet potato. :-)
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Post by pinkhippie » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:59 pm

Ladybird I am doing the same exact thing these days. Trying to eliminate seconds and not eat as much at meals. Its a tricky balance!

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Post by ladybird30 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:02 am

It certainly is.
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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:33 pm

Sun 7/2 - weekly review

Had a successful week with the 3 meals, no seconds, except one day when I was extra hungry after more
exercise than usual the previous day and ended up having supper.

Still no weight loss, not surprising as I am still having fairly large meals and doing a lot of sitting around.

It's time for the next step in gradually tightening things - portion control. I did mention a while ago that I was
going to do this, but obviously I wasn't really serious as I didn't follow through with it.

To deal with the extra hungry days, I will continue to allow large meals with no snacks or seconds so that I can continue to
maintain the habit.

On normal days, I will have portion controls. I won't detail them here, but they will involve the minimum amount of
measuring I can get away with.

On the exercise front, I am gradually increasing the amount of exercise I do, but am still not back to full fitness yet.
I am now off for my morning walk.
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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:39 pm

I hope you had a wonderful walk and that your week is a productive one in which you reach your goals!
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8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
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Post by pinkhippie » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:44 pm

Sounds like a good plan! I noticed after about a week of smaller meals that I am getting full faster with less food, and the small portions don't leave me feeling unsatisfied, so hopefully, your smaller portions will have a similar effect for you.

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Post by ladybird30 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:12 pm

Thanks Auto & Pinkhippie.
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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:42 pm

I have now been using portion control at meal times for 2 weeks. It is going well, and I have not been seriously tempted
to break my self-imposed rules. I am trying to be what Reinhard calls comically strict. My meals are generous enough to prevent serious hunger, & varied enough to prevent boredom.

I will give my current portions another 2 weeks, and then reassess. I seem to need at least a month to see if any intervention
is really working as far as weight loss goes.
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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:54 pm

Comically strict! :-) Thanks for reminding me of that.
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8/14-24.5
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3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
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Post by pinkhippie » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:58 pm

Sounds like things are going well for you! It sounds like you have a good system where you change something small and then assess after a month or so. That takes patience! I am always flitting around from idea to idea.

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Post by ladybird30 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:33 am

Yes, I am trying to establish permanent habits that will mean this will be the last time I try to lose weight.
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Post by pinkhippie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:52 pm

Yep permanent habits are a good goal and it seems very obvious, but I think sometimes people become so desperate for results, they forget that these habits need to be permanent. So, thanks for sharing what you are doing. It's great to have a reminder.

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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:15 am

Thankyou for your kind words Pink
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