Sherry's daily report

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Sherry's daily report

Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:43 pm

Days on No S - this is day 4. So far, 2 Ns and this is second S and no failures. Weight this am = 117.8 pounds (':D')

I think I stole the paraphrased quote at the bottom from an entry somewhere on No S. I apologize to the writer and will gladly provide an attribution if you give me one.

I have been sick for the past 5 days, so I wasn't able to get my law school work done and have been reading various diet books and websites instead. I don't really want to lose weight, although I wouldn't mind dropping a couple of pounds or at least a couple of pounds of fat, but a medication I need to take on an ongoing basis has caused me a lot of problems with hunger and craving sweets. Before this one, I was on another that seems to have controlled my appetite -- so much so that food and how much to eat, long a source of anxiety for me, became a non-issue. I was actually effortlessly too thin, and my weight did not budge for 11 years. For that reason, I was willing to tolerate obnoxious side effects, until they got so bad and I got so desperately sick that I realized I was going to have to go off the drug. This new one is associated with huge weight gains in some people - I mean over 50 pounds - especially at the low end of the dosage range where I am. But it has really helped me to be able to exercise, and while I was taking it regularly I was free of relapses for 7 months and working out over an hour a day. But tired of being starving at night - and I mean painful hunger pangs from trying to limit myself to 1600 calories a day despite all that intense exercise - I weaned myself off the drug, only to find that within a month I had begun to relapse, and I have not yet come out of the cycle and recovered. So I went back on it and need to find a way to deal effectively with the cravings.

I am a believer in intuitive eating in theory, and it worked well for me in general before I had to start taking medication, but it doesn't work nearly as well since then by itself. I read 2 books in the last few days that weren't really "diet books" - Michael Pollan's Food Rules - a slim book but a cute summary of The Omnivore's Dilemma, which I read a few years ago, that expands on his basic rules "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much." I also read Brian Wansink's Mindless Eating, a wonderful and also very quick read about his years of doing research into what drives us to eat the quantity of food we do, and how much of it is visual, and how easily we are deceived. From these 2 books and back and forth (I started with Wansink, then found No S, then found Pollan's book through the link in Reinhard's blog--and by the way, I think it stinks that he didn't credit Reinhard when he mentioned No S, but I imagine he didn't realize it was stolen from him) I wound up here.

I thought at first that the 3 meals would be too hard - after all, in the last 8 months since I've been struggling with this, I keep reading about the need to snack. Then I remembered that before the medication change - I only ate 2 meals a day. So this is a bump up. In the past, I recall being weak late in the afternoon without a snack, and then crashing and having to lie down for an hour after eating dinner (I told you I was really sick --it was no joke and I was bedridden for a year at the end) or waking up at night with hunger pangs without a bedtime snack. But I think I just wasn't eating enough at the meals, and breakfast makes a big difference. Also, because I've been too sick to do my usual exercise, and too sick to exercise at all for the last few days, that might make a difference. So I'll see - I've already given myself permission to get a banana and some cottage cheese if I wake up too hungry to sleep. But so far, the three meals have been just fine and I have not been too hungry - maybe a bit in the afternoons, but that could also be the relapse. Haven't had the after-dinner crash, so I think it's not related to skipping the snack. I intend to eat whatever I want and how much of it I want at the 3 meals- so I get to use my intuitive eating - but following the rule that it must fit on one plate and be fully plated out before I dig in (allowing myself a little virtual plating for what is not yet available to put on the plate)

I confess that I am also using Sensa, a "sprinkle-on" product that helps one to feel full sooner - and it does help me, and eating these little bran crackers called GG bran crispbread that do help me stay fuller -- and they are great healthy little things that are not expensive and the easiest way I have found to get enough fiber. But I am embarrassed to add that these 2 have not been enough. Last Monday was a holiday and I enjoyed myself thoroughly at the dinner and ate my favorite foods that we only get for one week a year and my favorite holiday desserts and put on half a pound and was fine about it. But that somehow led to 2 days when I managed to eat way too much in a couple of hours each afternoon--the very reason Reinhard says not to snack. So I am hoping that by following the No S "diet" --especially the visual plating of everything before eating --that will help, and I will be able to stop using the Sensa, which is ridiculously expensive. I figure I'll follow No S for 30 days straight - easy in my case since I started April 1, and then see if I can do it without the Sensa once the habit is established.

So far, I have followed the "vanilla" No S diet except that there were 2 S days since I started on Thursday, counting today, and I have happily planned out tonight's dessert. Only modification I am making is to plate out my dessert in advance on the S day, at least for now.

One of the many things I love about No S is the emphasis on habit rather than the scale. For one thing, as Reinhard says - the scale is erratic, even though I have one of those fancy ones now that tracks body fat and muscle, but more importantly, the number is not under my direct control the way the habits are. Another is that I felt uncomfortable and was totally ignored when I posted to the Sensa site because there is so much emphasis there on how much weight people have to lose and how overweight they are, and I am not overweight, even though as a "restrictive eater", I am in need of support around these issues. But the big thing is that it is all about forming the new habit, which has been very difficult and elusive for me with every other plan I've tried. And I counted them - I think this is number 13 or 14 in the last 8 months, maybe a record - above average based on the number Reinhard cites in his blog of 12.

In a way, although I appear to be a classic "restrictive eater" - my response is a rational and healthy one. Because I do believe that if I let myself go, the effect of the drug would be for me to gain 50 pounds or more. I have put on 7 pounds, some of which I needed, and I am fine to let my weight settle where it does with reasonable eating and a reasonable amount of daily exercise 5 days a week. I am hoping the simple No S rules turn out to be the answer to my prayers and allow me to finally relax and enjoy food again. I am going to follow it and will report in. And I will buy the large size mug as a gift to myself when I have followed it for 30 days.

I wish Reinhard would market a line of products with the message "Practice extreme moderation." I think that's a message we all need to get out into the world, and I would do my bit to promote it.

Thanks for everything, Reinhard.
You cannot judge another until you've walked a mile in her shoes. Then you're a mile away and you have her shoes.

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:26 pm

I did indeed see this quote before on this site, from someone named Navin. I did paraphrase it slightly. His/her version is "Before you criticize someone, try walking a mile in their shoes..." So very similar. Hope you do not mind, and if it's original with you, I will be glad to cite you. I do believe in spreading clever ideas, just like to credit the source.

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Post by ShannahR » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:53 pm

Hi Sherry-
I just wanted to say welcome to No S. I read your thread and it sounds like No
S could indeed work for you, you definately have a good attitude!! I think you'll find alot of support here. Everyone is super nice and usually when I have a problem or question there is at least one person who has "been there and done that" and is willing to share how they solved it.
Good luck an keep us posted!
This version of myself is not permanent, tomorrow I will be different. --BEP
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Post by groovy1 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:09 pm

Thanks a lot, Shannah! I really appreciate the support. It means a lot to me. (':)')

Yesterday was an S day, so technically it should be an exception and not a success, but I'm giving it a SUCCESS because I stuck with the rules except that I had a small dessert which I had planned and plated out in advance. I have gained a little weight, up to 118.2, so I guess I have been so afraid of getting hungry I have overdone the meals a little bit.

This morning was my second day of my version of shovelgloving, which worked great--thanks so much again, Reinhard. I used an old shovel to which I taped a 5 lb. weight and wrapped in an old bathrobe, which weighed in at a bit over 10 pounds. If it gets too hard, later in the week, I may swap out the 5 lb. weight for 3 lbs, but it was great this morning and certainly challenging without being too hard.

But so far so good and today I only ate 2/3 of my breakfast. I assume what we don't eat we don't get to eat until the next meal. Is that right? (':?:')

Best to everyone who reads this and especially hopes that you are healthy and able to stick to No S,

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:41 pm

This is day 6 on program, so I've done 5 days so far. Yesterday was only my 3rd N day and it was a SUCCESS :D !

I found a dessert I love to have with dinner, a small piece of fruit and a few nuts, last night it was a tangerine and 9 almonds, which, of course, go on the plate before I start eating. But I toasted the almonds (actually overdid it and I burned them a bit) in the microwave just before I ate them with the tangerine. Really great. I find it hard to not have something after dinner to leave a good taste in my mouth, especially after eating fish. I enjoy the umami taste while I'm eating it, but I seem to need a finisher and somehow fruit just didn't quite do it. But eating the few nuts with it was perfect, at least last night.

One of my favorite "rules" from Michael Pollan's Food Rules was that you can have all the junk food you want as long as you make it yourself. His reasoning was that a person who was intending to eat something would never put as much salt, fat and sugar into it as someone intending to sell it, and also, that it would be so much trouble to make that it would not be eaten very frequently. I don't know about the latter but I have certainly found the former to be true. I wanted something like ice cream for dessert on Sunday, but I didn't want to go shopping, so I used what I had on hand - fresh strawberries, Chobani non-fat Greek yogurt, a splash of Marsala, and, instead of sugar, some erythritol (a sugar alcohol which is completely absorbed and then completely excreted by the body, so totally safe) and Stevia. I put it into my little Donvier ice cream maker, and it was very very delicious and very satisfying, so I didn't wind up eating very much and the rest is sitting in the freezer waiting for the next S day. (I know Reinhard says that if you don't use sugar you don't need to count something as a Sweet, but for now, I'm going to consider as a Sweet anything that would normally have a lot of sugar in it, since it's the habit of eating sweet food that I am trying to change.) Anyway, it was amazingly good and very low in calories - about the same as Arctic Zero, a fake ice cream which boasts a calorie count in the same range but is disgusting.

I weighed 117.2 today, so I am down from yesterday, but still up about 1/2 a pound from where I was before overdoing it last week. But I don't look as good as I did because I haven't felt well enough to run or do my long hikes or use my Stairmaster, even though I have been faithfully shovelgloving for the last two days. I hate the shovelglove, but I hated the Jillian Michaels 30 day shred 30 minute workouts and I hated the Joan Pagano 1 hour workout I was doing and I did them anyway, and the shovelglove seems to do a great job for my abs and upper body and I get some good lunges in with the shoveling move and it's over in 14 minutes. So for now I will stick with shovelgloving in the morning and hope to feel better enough to start running again soon. I'm hoping to do a 30 minute run today - about 1/2 my usual distance but I don't want to overdo it because I haven't run for a week and a half between having company and preparing for the holiday and then relapsing.

So far I am very jazzed about No S. I have not been hungry at night like I feared. The only bad time is late in the afternoon, when I miss the boost I would get from my afternoon snack, but I want to stick with this for a month and see if my body can make the adjustment. I have never enjoyed eating as much as I have on this plan and I am feasting but still losing a little weight, so I love it.

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Re: Sherry's daily report

Post by marygrace » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:00 pm

sshachter wrote:
I weighed 117.2 today, so I am down from yesterday, but still up about 1/2 a pound from where I was before overdoing it last week. But I don't look as good as I did because I haven't felt well enough to run or do my long hikes or use my Stairmaster, even though I have been faithfully shovelgloving for the last two days. I hate the shovelglove, but I hated the Jillian Michaels 30 day shred 30 minute workouts and I hated the Joan Pagano 1 hour workout I was doing and I did them anyway, and the shovelglove seems to do a great job for my abs and upper body and I get some good lunges in with the shoveling move and it's over in 14 minutes. So for now I will stick with shovelgloving in the morning and hope to feel better enough to start running again soon. I'm hoping to do a 30 minute run today - about 1/2 my usual distance but I don't want to overdo it because I haven't run for a week and a half between having company and preparing for the holiday and then relapsing.
Oh boy, I heard you on Jillian Michaels' 30 Day Shred. I tried sticking to it for a couple of weeks, and it was seriously torture. I know some people like to be forced to exercise as hard as possible (to the point of pain?) but I'm not one of them!

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Post by groovy1 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:04 pm

Thanks a lot, Mary Grace! Yeah - I did the 30 day shred for a while followed by a Denise Austin Pilates/Yoga C/d which really helped me to stretch out so I wasn't sore. I love that it got me in great shape and between the 2 I developed a pretty good six-pack for a 59-year old lady. I got up to level 3, but then I hurt my knee and I don't think all that jumping is a good idea for someone of my age. I still do level 2 periodically just to check that I am still in shape and when I don't have time for a walk, because she crams so much into that 30 minutes, but I like the idea of shovelgloving in the morning for 14 minutes and then taking a walk or a run in the afternoon. I don't try to run more frequently than every other day, but I love running. I'm still not recovered enough to run, though, but I did take the dog on a 2 mile walk yesterday so I am working back up to it, and hope to do 3 miles today.

Yesterday was another SUCCESS. So I am now on day 7 of No S, but have only so far done 2N days in a row. I am down to 116 pounds, though, and looking much more like myself than I have since last week, when I confess I put on over 7 pounds in a few hours in the afternoon, 2 days in a row. Can you believe that? I am still reeling over that. But I am down below where I started before stuffing myself. And so far, it has been wonderful.

On Monday, I wasn't able to eat my whole breakfast but I woke up hungry yesterday and ate both my usual breakfast and what was left over from Monday. That meant I was able to eat lunch about an hour later, and after I posted yesterday, which was extremely helpful, I decided to eat more protein at lunch and eat dinner earlier. Between the 2, I did not have a problematic late afternoon slump. So far, no S is working great and I have not been hungry between meals. However, my pattern has been that losing weight is not too bad for me, and I wouldn't mind losing another pound or two but not more than that. What has been a disaster is "maintenance" - meaning that after I get to the desired weight and try to stay there, I start getting ravenous. Now part of the problem was that I found once that eating 1800 calories a day caused me to gain weight, so I was trying to keep myself at 1600 calories. But with all the exercise I was doing, I probably needed at least 1700. I wasn't losing any more at 1600, but I was starving - I mean waking up at night with painful hunger pangs and unable to sleep starving.

So that will be the real test of No S - what happens in the next few weeks - when presumably I will have stopped losing and my weight will stabilize somewhere. As I mentioned before, I am also using Sensa, so I need to stop that at some point in there, too, just to see if I can do without it. But I am very excited and hopeful, since this is all without weighing, measuring, counting, agonizing - just following vanilla No S.

The other thing I have decided to do is as of Friday, which will be my lowest day of the week, since I have decided that Friday and Sunday will be my regular S days, to weigh only once a week. The last time I tried to do this I wasn't able to go more than 3 days without peeking. But since the idea is to change my habits and to find the weight where I can maintain myself without starvation, I think it's a good idea to divorce myself from the scale. One of my overeating triggers is following whatever plan I've set for myself despite enduring hardships and then getting on the scale and finding I've lost no more or even gained some weight. So it has been my friend but also my enemy and I don't want to continue to give that piece of metal the power to dominate my life.

But I need to work up to this, so I weighed this morning and was very pleased, and I'll weigh tomorrow and Friday, and then I'll go for a week.

I really love this plan and am very grateful for it. I also love the website and being able to post here. I have responded to a few posts from others and hope my posts are helpful to them. And of course I love the habitcal, a paper version of which hangs on my wall. I'm trying to extend it to my studies as well, which have suffered considerably since I got sick a week ago.

I am just so grateful to Reinhard for sharing so generously these techniques --including the shovelglove-- that have worked for him. Like I said, my promise to myself is to buy the big mug after a month.

I am toying with buying some plates that are divided, so I can keep my dessert out of the sauces from dinner. Right now I set my fruit and nuts in a separate little dish on the plate, although last night I was too full to eat them and they went back into the fridge. Still I think it might help and I found some I like. Just haven't decided if it's worth doing...

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:54 pm

Yesterday was another SUCCESS :D so that completes my first full week of No S. I have lost 8 pounds, 7 of which I had put in the last 3 days before I started the program. It's not unusual for me to go back to my pre-binge weight within a week, but this was very different. It really has been more or less effortless, and I haven't been unduly hungry except for last night, the first time since I started No S. I was fine after dinner and before bed, but woke up hungry about 3 AM. (But I don't think hunger woke me up - I have not been doing my schoolwork and I am getting very anxious about that) I slept poorly last night and wound up getting up at 6:30 very, very hungry. I drank some water to see if I could go back to bed, but I couldn't go back to sleep. Not surprising given that I usually get up about a quarter to 7. So I got up and did my 14 minutes of shovelgloving, which I can't say yet that I enjoy but I am tolerating it better. Yesterday Petey the puppy and I walked almost 3 miles at a good clip on a challenging trail so although I haven't recovered from my relapse to the point of being able to run, we got a good workout yesterday.

Because I was so hungry, I made a really big breakfast for J and myself - an omelet with 2 eggs apiece and lots of veggies and a bit of mozzarella and salsa verde with fresh lime, a low carb whole wheat tortilla, a piece of bran crispbread with a little bit of cream cheese and an orange. Couldn't finish the orange. I know my plating is where I want it when I have something left over that goes back into the fridge and I am comfortably satisfied and not overfull an hour after eating.

I'm reading a wonderful book called "Eat What You Love Love What You Eat" by Michelle May. It's the best thing I've ever read about what she calls the eat-repent-repeat cycle. As I posted before, my weight stayed at a slightly too-thin for my light 5'7" frame 110 pounds for the past 11 years effortlessly, in large part because a drug I was taking for my chronic medical condition had a side effect of suppressing my appetite, or, I think more accurately, of lowering my body weight set point. When I had to stop taking it because of other terrible side effects and started another one that has been very helpful medically, one of the side effects of the new drug is increased appetite, and, for me, a certain amount of glucose intolerance. I started out, then, at the end of July with a lot of confidence around food and eating and very relaxed about it. But when I found that despite exercising joyfully nearly every day and delighting in new muscle, I had gained 9 pounds, 5 of them during a week of vacation when I was away from the scale and hiking for at least 5 miles a day, I began to fear that I would gain the 50 pounds some people report from this drug, because I seemed to always be hungry and craving sweets. And when I tried to eat intuitively and satisfy my craving, unlike prior to the drug when maybe 1/2 of a big cookie would be plenty, my cravings intensified and became insatiable.

I was once 50 pounds heavier than I am now, and I hated my body then. I love being slender. So I went into panic mode and became a restrictive eater, and then began to have episodic binges. I could see myself becoming increasingly obsessive around dieting and weighing. Always hungry, I would drift from my lawschool work to reading recipe sites or new diet plans. It is amazing how nuts restrictive dieting can make a person, especially me. Anyway, I love the no S so far and think it is really brilliant, but I confess I have not yet read the book, which has been ordered and is on its way. This Eat What You Love book seems to really speak to me, to get to the heart of this abnormal behavior that I hate. So I find it dovetails very, very well with No S. Without No S, I found intuitive eating too hard and a lot of work and that I could not just relax and enjoy my food because I was always trying to decide where I was on the hunger scale. With No S, I eat the next meal when I am good and hungry but not ravenous, and it has worked out well to 3 meals a day, and then I put on my plate everything I want, so I am not restricting myself other than using the 3S rule, and I am really enjoying eating and even cooking for the first time in years. We'll see how tonight goes, but I am so comfortably satisfied after breakfast that I don't think I'm falling into the restrictive overdieting trap that winds up triggering overeating for me after days and nights of unrelieved hunger. And I will probably wind up eating more at dinner, or more protein, if I need to. I wouldn't mind losing another 1/2 pound of fat, but that takes time.

My weight will probably go up a bit after the next S days, maybe even settle in a bit higher, and I am cool with that.

It's funny -- the book talks about restrictive eaters like me coming to terms with foods that have been problematic. She suggested making a list of the foods I most liked but have been afraid to eat, and at the top of the list were these morning buns from the French bakery near me. Twice in the last few months I walked a mile to get them, bought 2, ate one on the walk home and the other after I got home, doing my best to savor each bite, and each time doing that wound up being the start of another overeating day. So they came to mind as something to experiment with on a future S day, although I thought I would wait until I had settled further into no S. But as I thought about them, another craving came up - for cold milk. I had to stop drinking milk because of indigestion, and couldn't tolerate any dairy products for a few years. But gradually over the last 6 months I have been eating yogurt and cottage cheese and a bit of hard cheese without any problems, so I thought I would try some acidophilus milk. But then, after imagining the morning buns with the acidophilus milk and some good coffee, I found I didn't really want the morning buns - I found I really wanted some whole wheat or Bob's Red Mill low carb pancakes with some walnuts in them and maybe some banana and a little maple syrup -real maple syrup, not fake low cal - and an egg and a small glass of milk and good coffee and maybe a little bit of an orange. Tomorrow is my next S day (I have decided that Friday and Sunday are my regular S days) so maybe, if that is what I want, I will have that breakfast tomorrow.

While I was buying Reinhard's book - mostly as one way to thank him for the shovelgloving and No S diet and the HabitCal - I also bought the Lutece Cookbook he recommended, and then I bought these porcelain ceramic trays, one for each of us and one extra for when we break one - that are supposed to be like retro TV trays. They are more or less divided into halves, and one half is broken into 3 parts. I have been more or less following the Idaho Plating method also recommended on this site and in Brian Wansink's Mindless eating and elsewhere, and I thought using the tray makes it easy to put fruit and veggies in the big half, or even just veggies, and meat, carb and dessert - my beloved nuts and a small piece of fruit or a small dish of ice cream on S days- in the little places so I can plate out everything a once. My only reservation is that it may turn out to be too large. But I have found that I like plating out everything I think I want and have not had a problem stopping at the point of satisfaction and love that every meal something goes back to the fridge.

So, so far I am very grateful to No S. But the first week of any eating plan in the past 7 months has been the easiest for me. The real challenge comes in the next 3 weeks. So I see my No S big mug in front of me - my gift for completing 30 days and hope to be posting to you then.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:43 am

Today has been very challenging. The pattern I have fallen into is that I am very good at sticking to the rules of any diet, but once I get too hungry, it is only a matter of time until I lose it, i.e. I have become a restrictive eater in a cycle of over-restriction, then a few hours of uncontrolled eating undoing weeks of work, then huge guilt and repentance. One reason I started reading all these books and setting aside lawschool for the past 10 days is, yes, I got too sick to absorb the dense material I am studying, but also because Monday a week ago was the start of a religious holiday in which we celebrate freedom from bondage, and this restrictive eating business, living in fear every time a morsel crosses my lips, this has been awful and I want to be free of it. I love no S because it makes sense both in sociological terms - heck, that's how Americans ate before we became fat, and how much of the world eats that is able to find enough food to make up 3 meals- and in biological terms and in personal terms, because that is more or less how I have eaten during the majority of my 58 years, during which I was at a very acceptable to lean physique. But the catch is that in practicing extreme moderation - I need to be moderate even about the moderation, meaning that this, too, will fail unless I can be sufficiently flexible. So today was tough, because I woke up hungry in the middle of the night last night, but not quite enough to get up and get the snack I planned in case that happened - half a banana and some milk or cottage cheese or peanut butter. So I did my shovelglove and walked the dog and was downright starving by the time I sat down to eat the terrific breakfast I already wrote about. Which was delicious and very satisfying. Since by then it was 8:30 and J was off today, I suggested we eat lunch at 1:30. Problem was I was very hungry long before that. She had promised to be home by 1, and I was waiting because I had said I would make lunch. By 1:25, I was ravenous. So she came home about 1:30, but of course it was 1:45 before we ate. Still I did not overdo it - stuck to plating it out in advance and put enough back in the fridge afterwards and, most importantly, did not get uncomfortably full later. But again, by dinner time, I was extremely hungry. I made a wonderful dinner - braised chicken with green garlic and carrots and celery, mushrooms/onions/chard with sherry, cole slaw and sprouted wheat toast which I put under the chicken to soak up the clear broth. My strategy for tonight to see if I can get through the night without hunger was to eat 2 small pieces of chicken rather than one and to drink a very small glass of 2% milk with dinner. I was once again to full to eat dessert - an apple and a handful of almonds, all duly plated out in advance, although it was on more than one plate because of the soup bowl. I will consider this to be a huge success if I make it to morning without undue hunger. But if not, I will also consider it to be a huge success if I eat my half a big banana and my cottage cheese or another 3 oz. glass of milk or peanut butter or whatever I think I need to eat with the banana that is on that league of being just a few very satisfying protein or protein/fat calories. Because this time it is not about following the rules - as brilliant as they are, and they are brilliant - it is about establishing a healthy habit of eating that I can sustain for the rest of my life. I have no problem with the rule about seconds because I am so totally enjoying what I am eating and taking too much and it has not caused me to overeat, whatever Brian Wansink says, because I have lost 8 pounds in the last week. I have no problem with the rule about sweets, because I think it is a good idea to let naturally sweet foods like fruit and milk be sweet enough except for S days. I have no problem with the rule about snacks, because I do think it would be ideal to think about food 3 times a day and give it a rest for the remaining 22 or so hours not spent preparing food, eating it or putting it away. But I am going to be flexible enough to make this work for me, even if ultimately I find I need to slip in a 4th meal every now and then and call it a meal so I am not being "bad" when I listen to myself and honor what my body needs.

Tomorrow I will weigh myself, including the fat and muscle percentages from the Omron, and measure myself with the tape measure and the accumeasure, and then all the numbers go away. I don't want to weigh again for at least a week, or measure anything else for at least a month. It will be a huge breakthrough for me if I can pull this off. The goal is to stop eating at just the right point and follow vanilla no S except for my little safety valve of the occasional 4th meal as needed. I will keep posting. Thanks for providing this forum.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:36 pm

Today I weighed 116 pounds, a good weight for me. More importantly, after all the shovelgloving last week - my stomach was flat! :D

I am not sure how to rate yesterday, because I am very type A, but I have to say that given my history it was probably a huge SUCCESS, although I deviated from vanilla no S. As I wrote last night, my pattern has been to follow a diet plan very strictly to the point of starvation, and then at some point break down and undo weeks of work in a matter of hours. So I had planned what I call, for want of a better term, a "safety valve meal." A "safety valve meal" is something eaten other than one of the major 3, but it is controlled in the sense that other than it not being at meal time, it is plated out in advance and no seconds and not sweet. It is going to be essential for me to incorporate these SVMs into my no S, and here is why: I do not seem to be comfortable eating more than about 300 to 400 calories in the morning, about 400 to 500 at lunch or 500 to 600 at dinner, especially without sweets. So if I eat all that it is a very reasonable 1500 calories a day, but I have found that with all the exercise I do, to maintain my weight I need to eat at least 1700 calories. And if I'm not that hungry and eat only the smaller amounts, that is only 1200. That leaves a gap of 200 to 500 calories a day, or 1000 to 1500 calories over the five N days of the week. I suppose I could eat all that on the S days, but I don't want to. So what has been happening for me is that I have lost down to being even too thin over the last 7 months I have been struggling with weight, but inevitably gain it back and more in a few hours of binge-eating during the maintenance phase after being overly hungry for several days and nights. So I have learned that when I get to a certain point of hunger, I need to eat something. If it is near a meal time - great, that's a meal. But last night, as I turned out the light and laid down to sleep, I realized I was hungry. And this was the turning point. Because every other time in this situation, I would stick with the plan, wake up in the middle of the night starving or be overly hungry the next morning, and invariably break down at some point within the next few days or week. I knew yesterday I was at a critical point because I had awakened hungry at 3 AM, held off until breakfast, and been overly hungry for every meal all day. So I used my SVM and went upstairs and had 2 little plain Rykrisps with a couple of tablespoons of non-fat cottage cheese and half of a sliced banana. Believe me, this is not a problematic snack for me. Then I went back to bed. Within a few minutes, I was not hungry, nor was I hungry during the night.

Today is my first S day (long story, but my S days are Friday and Sunday) after my first 4 N days in a row. I had planned to make pancakes and eat them with butter and maple syrup and an egg over easy and an orange and coffee and a small glass of cold milk. But I think that was because I was so hungry yesterday. (A technical aside - but there is a phenomenon in the spinal cord called "wind up" that has to do with pain - Even if surgical pain is blocked because the patient is unconscious, when the pain mechanism is triggered, there is a wind-up process that results in more subjective pain when the patient recovers consciousness. However, if a nerve block is used, there is less pain upon recovery from the surgery.) It's like that for me with hunger - it builds and builds and becomes increasingly difficult to slake. So interestingly enough, when I woke up today, I didn't want the pancakes or the sweets on my S day. I made a fantastic breakfast - 2 poached eggs on a warm bed of chard, mushrooms and onions (left over from dinner) drizzled with a bit of honey mustard dressing, a toasted English muffin and my orange, with chai with milk in it and a cup of black coffee. And not only was this a healthier choice, but I could only eat about 1/2 to 2/3 of it. I am sure that had I not used the SVM, this morning could have been the trigger to a disastrous day.

So - my SVMS are like what someone posted on the modifications thread about her "mini-meal" of a small piece of rye bread with cheese. Another one might be a glass of milk, a food I have not been able to eat for years but found myself craving and carefully experimenting with. I have to have that extra 150 to 200 calories when I need it to keep from being too hungry between meals, but only when I am really hungry and need something to fill that calorie gap. This is my way of practicing extreme moderation, and it makes more sense to me than trying to overstuff myself at meals. I doubt if I'll need anything tonight, because I am planning to have my favorite ice cream for dessert with dinner, and will probably eat more calories at dinner than usual because I am Jewish and Friday nights are my Sabbath and I make this wonderful egg bread that is part of our ceremony. But if I don't build SVMs into my no S, it will fail. That is why I love No S so very much - because Reinhard has structured it to allow us to adapt it wisely to what we need.

And now the scale gets put away. I will follow vanilla no S except for the SVM to be taken as needed so that I do not get overly hungry, plating out every meal in advance, and eating so that I never get overly full. I will faithfully shovelglove 5 mornings a week and take a hike or run or use my stairclimber every afternoon unless I don't feel well enough, and I will see where I am in a week or even 10 days. Unless panic sets in, which I am hoping will not happen.

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Post by groovy1 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:57 am

Whoa -- had a big duh! moment tonight. Maybe the reason I haven't been getting enough calories in 3 meals is the Sensa --isn't that what it's supposed to do - to make you feel full faster so you stop eating? About 10% less food? And isn't that probably exactly how much more I need to be eating?

So I was going to put the scale away for a week or 10 days and just follow No S with my SVM mod as needed. But I think I would do better to discontinue the Sensa first and then see what happens. Because I would really prefer to follow vanilla no S for a whole host of reasons. yeah - go ahead and call me type A. I am.

So I better weigh tomorrow, because today was an S day. I did nothing differently except at dinner I had a bigger meal than usual, with ice cream for dessert. And then, I had a very small piece of chocolate, which was enough, but I got up and got it after the ice cream, it was not plated out beforehand. And although I set the ice cream pint on the table when we started dinner, I did not plate that out in advance either, because it was an S day. And I made us a really wonderful dinner tonight and really enjoyed it.

But if I don't weigh tomorrow and it turns out I put on a couple of pounds, and then in a week without Sensa I weigh the same, I might think I gained the weight because of the Sensa and keep buying something I don't need.

So I'll weigh tomorrow and see what happens without Sensa over the weekend. Maybe nothing. The first 10 days I went through the first 1/2 of what was supposed to last 30 days and it scared me, and the last 18 days I used so much less that I am almost at the end of the first month and seem to have a fair amount left.

I really want No S to work for me. Plain vanilla. Then I'll tweak it only if need be. Can't believe I forget the effect of the Sensa.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:38 pm

In a way it's sad that I took for myself the nickname greyhairedrunner because I do so love to run, but I haven't been up to running for 2 weeks now. I hope I get better enough to do it again. This has been a long relapse, although I've only missed a couple of days of exercise - have been shovelgloving 5 days a week plus walking.

Yesterday was an S day, but it went very well. I had one of the best meals I can ever remember -- wine and homemade challah, lamb chops, kale with hot peppers and kalamata olives, baby artichokes, a light salad made from an assortment of tiny baby lettuces with thin slivers of orange bell pepper and cilantro leaves, Yukon Gold mashed potatoes, and for dessert, really good organic coffee ice cream and a small amount of organic chocolate. All the veggies came from the box we got weekly from the farm, and I really enjoyed cooking again. I figured maybe I gained a pound or two, but that's ok because I've been losing so fast. But today I was down another pound to 114.8.

I am definitely stopping the Sensa --none today, and I will call and stop the whole deal if I don't need it. Strangely enough, although I give it a lot of credit, I am now questioning how much good it did me. I think it may have had some effect, but I guarantee you that by itself it would not have made much difference in my cycle of restrictive eating followed by brief but intense hours of overeating before I would clamp myself back into chains. This feels totally different. Although I keep reading about the need for perfect compliance, I am comfortable with the notion that I will not starve myself to comply here, because I am somewhat in a different position from people who only think they are hungry when they are not -- I have overly restricted myself and am an expert on when I am actually hungry. Where I have gotten into trouble is that once I ignore that hunger too long, it becomes impossible to satisfy myself without totally blowing it. So I will stick with my promise to myself to allow those little SVMs (safety valve meals) when I need them. That's the way out of the pattern for me and I know it. But I may not need them once I stop the Sensa and eat a bit more at meals.

Sure didn't need any last night - was very satisfied. And today I didn't get to eat lunch until 2 because somehow between mentioning to J at breakfast that I think Petey would be happier if we had another dog and lunch we managed to come home with a tiny chihuahua puppy that I have totally flipped over. I am a veterinarian - how in the world did I wind up with a chihuahua?! But I am committed to raising him to be a real dog and have already taught the little fellow to come and sit. But for walks in the park, I think I need to get a puppy carrier until he's a bit older so he can walk a little bit with Pete and then I can carry him. But I am sure he will love going to the park as much as Petey and I do. He is curled up next to me as I write, snugged under my pajamas but right up against me. This will make me very happy as I return to studying, which I must do.

I am agonizing over whether I should buy "Mastering Leptin" -- I am very curious about the science, especially what he has to say about fibromyalgia, because although my main problem is a kind of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which is my case really a collection of herpes viruses - Epstein Barr, Human Herpesvirus 6, Herpes Simplex and several others I am sure which get triggered whenever I get physically stressed and start to recur and then continue recurring until I've been through the whole cycle--I have been very achy and sore since fall in a way that has never happened before and have tried several different remedies including Move Free and krill oil with limited success. So I guess it's worth spending $10 on Amazon and a few hours this afternoon to read through the book and the section on fibromyalgia. My copy of "The No S diet" should come in the middle of next week and I am still reading "Eat What you love, Love what you Eat" - but that book will sit on my nightstand until I have read and reread it a few times I think - that book really addresses my issues. But I am committed to No S and don't think I could have gotten to where I am without it - and I am only 10 days in. But I have lost 9 pounds and am wearing my skinny jeans and feel that, considering how I've had to cut back some on exercise, it's nothing short of the answer to a prayer. But maybe this one more book has one more piece of the puzzle for me? I guess I'll take a look at it, and then go back to Real Property. Need to study hard and take a quiz in the next day or two.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:43 pm

Yesterday was an N day for me and a SUCCESS. It was also my first day off Sensa since I started it almost a month ago. Definitely noticed a difference. I didn't plate out anything particularly differently, I don't think, but it was the first time nothing went back into the fridge. A little scary, since at every other meal pretty much every time I couldn't finish everything I had put out. But then last night I was satisfied all night, so this is probably what I needed to do. Put on a little bit - back up to 115.4, but that's a good weight for me, and it is probably more reflective of my wonderful big dinner Friday night than yesterday.

Today is an S day, so I took a break from shovelgloving, although I probably will still do my stairclimber this afternoon. I am horribly achy everywhere, really in a lot of discomfort, and took a Lyrica to see if I can get some relief. This is a big change for me that started in the fall and is definitely weather-related - there is a storm coming in today. But I could have told you that without looking at the weather report. In fact, I am a more accurate predictor of coming rain than the report in the paper. And apparently this is not fibromyalgia. Don't know what causes it or why it has become so much worse this year when in general I am in tons better shape than I was a year ago.

I had a big breakfast today - Bob's Red Mill low-carb panacakes, a bit of maple syrup, an egg over easy, a tangerine and 1/2 a glass of 2% Lactaid milk which I poured into my coffee. I love Bob's Red Mill products because they get me away from white flour, which I rarely eat any more, but they are 100% real food. It was very good and very satisfying.

Took the new puppy and Petey out together today for first time and little Peanut walks on the leash pretty well for a baby, about like Petey did. Pete is only 13 pounds but he looks like a giant next to the chihuahua pup, who only weighs 3 pounds. Becky, 7, is thrilled with Peanut and spent a lot of time today with him on her lap. He is definitely a little lap guy. We all love him already. I have read that chihuahuas tend to pick one person as their special person, although they are intensely loyal to the whole family, so we will see who Peanut picks. Both Becky and J will be gone for a week next week because Becky's brother, who has a very serious type of cancer, is having major surgery back East and wants her there, and I am not well enough to take care of Becky on my own for a week, so she will be staying with a friend while Becky is gone. Maybe that's part of why i wanted Peanut? Don't really know - the old man cat is my usual study buddy = sitting at my feet right now. He was pretty cool about Peanut, who was on the bed with me yesterday afternoon.

Peanut growls fiercely at everything that isn't human around here though - Pete plus the 3 big cats. I told myself I was getting him as a companion for Petey, who loves other dogs so much. But I have read that sometimes chihuahuas do not care for any other dogs but fellow chihuahuas, so we will have to see if he warms up to Pete. Pete for his part is being very gentle, but is desperate to coax the little guy into play. Peanut will have none of it. However, the way our kitchen is set up, I am not too worried about leaving the dogs unsupervised for brief periods because there are several large places under cabinets where Peanut can escape from Pete whenever he wants. I think I just missed the way my previous 2 dogs used to love to go on walks together, shoulder to shoulder. Petey tends to race off with extreme joy whenever he sees another dog, and while he is good about returning, he clearly would love another dog to play with. I hope little Peanut grows into that role. If not, he will make a wonderful buddy for Becky and me, and we can trade off having him on our laps while we do our homework. I for my part must stop reading diet and food-related books and go back to law. Sigh.

Sherry

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Post by PetVet » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:21 am

hi sherry

nothing at all to do with NoS, but...

what breed of dog is petey? and how much homework does poor 7yo becky have?! just wondering... my son is 6yo - S/K here - and wouldn't have time to put the dog on his lap for all the homework he has <g>

we used to have quite a few pugs, but i placed them after my accident (damage to my sinuses made pet hair in house not an option)... now we have two big farm dogs (mostly outside, sleep in basement at night) and a std poodle as our house dog

miss my puglets...

have a great week
cathy
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Post by groovy1 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:51 pm

Yesterday was an S-day. Between the 2 S-days one day apart and 2 days in sequence off of Sensa, I have gained back almost 2 1/2 pounds. That's not terrible, because I weigh 117.4 and that's OK at my height, but I don't like the trend.

Today for breakfast I went back to whey protein shake with strawberries and celery and a TJ bran muffin with a bit of peanut butter. I thought for sure that would hold me easily, especially since i used 1/2 cup of 2% milk instead of water for the shake, but it hasn't been easy holding out 5 hours for lunch and maybe tomorrow if I do the same thing I'll add a tbsp of flax seed meal. I like the idea of the whey shake though because I think having a liquid breakfast (or really a semi-solid since adding the frozen fruit beefs it up to a kind of gel) tends to have a "stomach-shrinking" effect in me.

I have been feeling lousy. I did go for about a 2-mile walk with Petey yesterday or 2 1/2 miles, which was fine, but my head is useless and I am beginning to get panicky about school. I also have a once-a-month vet-related job and I need to have a clear head for that, too. I did go ahead and download Mastering Leptin. Those who said it was poorly written were right, but, I also found it to be full of information that makes a great deal of sense. I ordered the arabinose galactan powder and I think I am going to stop at the health food store and pick up some good quality CoQ 10 and Mag maleate to see if they help clear my brain fog. Need to get back to work.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:54 pm

Decided to change my name again. Haven't been able to run all month, and seeing that name "grey-haired runner" just rubs it in. Since what I am trying to do in reality is to find that place of ease that is neither too restrictive nor too indulgent, that groove, I decided to choose a name that reminds me of something under my control, rather than how sick I've been.

My weight is back down a bit to 117.0, and my body fat is a bit down and my muscle a bit up, which is good because I am going to have to take a break from exercise to let my body heal. Will still walk in the afternoons, but a limited distance until I get stronger. I overdid it yesterday and am a lot worse, so I know that it's exercise-related as usual.

I got my NoS book finally and have read half of it. Picking up some refinements, which is good. Will limit necessary snacks to a glass of milk when I realize I have to have something. So far only needed one snack in 12 days, although my body is still having something of a hard time going that full distance between meals - I get light-headed, shaky, cold. But I think it is getting better.

Today I had a huge breakfast - 2 egg-omelet with a bit of cheese and steamed broccoli, cauliflower and carrots, 1/2 an English muffin with a dab of peanut butter, a GG bran crispbread with the same, and a tangerine. Very good and hopefully will easily carry me 5 hours. Have gone so far nearly 4 and I'm not at all hungry.

I am really, really enjoying cooking and eating again. Have decided to replace butter on breads, now that I have had the opportunity to enjoy it again, with peanut butter, which I find more satisfying. We grind ours fresh at a local market and it is very delicious, nicely spreadable, and a much healthier fat. May still cook w a bit of butter, but I want to use more coconut oil and olive oil. Studies have shown that using more mono-unsaturated fatty acids really does improve people's cholesterol and tri-glyceride values.

That way, I can drink more whole milk. It's funny - never liked milk as a kid because my mom used to pour it hours before we ate and it was warm and slimy and she made me sit at the table until I drank it all long after others had left. In other words, it was used as a torture device. But now I really look forward to a cold glass of milk with my meal. It seems like a great way to reduce the amount of animals killed and eaten and is very satisfying. Last night for dessert, pre-plated of course, I had my 6 oz. of cold milk with a small apple and a few almonds and it was very good and I slept extremely well last night and needed no snack after dinner. And I definitely ate less chicken and quinoa. Great dinner last night that Jess made - curried chicken with quinoa and red lentils and green beans and a salad plus the apple, milk, nuts.

So I will keep going with No S but take a break from shovelgloving until I feel better. Think I have been overdoing it.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:40 pm

Wanted to add a few things I forgot this am.

Yesterday was a SUCCESS. I know I mentioned it but it feels so good to type it.

I got my BIA ceramic retro TV dinner trays yesterday and I love them. They are as I described before - just like cafeteria trays except made out of a white glazed ceramic and very nice. Not only are they nice to eat out of, but I heated up lunch in the microwave and they stayed cool while my food got heated.

I know it sounds fussy, but I just hated having to fish my orange out of the cole slaw dressing. Today, because I had the tray, I put my chicken and quinoa in about 2/3 of the big section, then filled the rest of the section with leftover kale. Some leftover chard went into one of the other sections and cole slaw in the third and I filled the littlest one with strawberries - I think it held five and I poured a 6 oz glass of milk. (I was very hungry.) If I did not have the tray, I might have tried to squeeze more on a plate, but, as it was, I could not finish it all and half of the berries and a few tablespoons of the main dish went back into the fridge. I missed eating strawberries, but I just didn't like the idea of them swimming in whatever else was on the plate, so this works for me. And Becky loves it. Jess didn't want to use hers, but that's cool. Just got this for me so I can plate with impunity. I was worried it would be too big, so I measured. Adding all the sections together I get about 66 square inches, and the surface area of a 9" plate is about 63 inches, so it is close enough. In reality, the way I know I am doing it right is if I am neither hungry nor too full 1/2 hour after eating, and I get appropriately hungry in time for the next meal. I am still working this out, but getting closer.

Tomorrow will be a challenge. Once a month I sit on the board that regulates all animal usage for the local facility of a major pharmaceutical company. I love this job, because the committee takes it work very seriously and we really watch out for the animals, 90% of which are mice and the remainder rats with an occasional rabbit. So I get to use my veterinary training but I'm not required to be on my feet 12 hours a day like it was when I was in practice, and if I am too sick to attend, as happens sometimes, I don't get paid but at least I'm not totally screwing up everybody else like it was when I was in practice. So I hope I feel well enough to make it, which is dicey right now.

But I am writing about lunch, which is served at the meeting. First of all, it will be too early. Since we rarely eat dinner before 7, on No S I don't eat lunch until 1 or later. But it will be served by noon or earlier. Secondly, they used to offer a salad with grilled chicken, which was great, but now I never know what will be there and sometimes it is bagels with entrees and cookies and chips and no veggies other than the pickle. But I guess I can eat two pickles and trade my chips, since I rarely eat them, and my teensy fruit cup, and do my best to keep to my usual eating plan. This was just such a non-issue for the first 5 1/2 years of this job, so I don't want to make it a big deal for me now that everything changed 7 months ago. I guess I will see how hungry I am and if I am too hungry or feel too awkward holding out, I will fall back on my glass of milk in the afternoon if I can't make it until dinner. But I will try to wait until 1 and "plate" out something reasonable one way or another.

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Post by groovy1 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:27 pm

I decided to rethink the Sensa. My understanding of No S, which was basically the way I always used to eat before I decided to substitute milk for breakfast long ago, is that first you find what you will do for maintenance, and then maybe if necessary you cut back to lose. Reinhard doesn't sound like he ever consciously had to cut back, but in the past when I've basically done exactly the same thing, I have had to cut back. Maybe that is the residue of previous diets so that my body, fearing deprivation, wants to plate out more than it can eat without gaining weight? I don't know, but that is my pattern. I solved it in the past by drinking milk instead of eating breakfast, and that one change down to 2 meals plus the milk used to do it. But I think I wake up hungrier these days, plus I'm not at work where there was an overwhelming amount to be accomplished every morning and no time to realize I was hungry.

Anyway - I've only been off it for 4 days - I've gained over 3 lbs. by the scale, and that is without ever feeling overfull. So, part of that is just the pendulum swinging back from last week's weight loss - so if we were to guess my weight centered at 117 lbs, then I dropped just below 115, so at 118.4 this am I am still ahead in the pendulum swing if I reverse direction now. If I am not overfull, let us guess I am overeating by 10%, but I actually want to undereat by the mindless margin of 10%, so that means eating 20% less than what I am plating out. I'm not sure how much less I was eating on Sensa - but just based on numbers, I would guess about 25% less, and it was too little because I dropped too much weight and got too hungry.

So, rather than make a decision based on 4 days that would require me to buy Sensa for the rest of my life, why not try on my own to do what the Sensa was doing for me? Then, once I find where I stabilize, I can cut back, and I can always use Sensa one or two days a week since I have it to see if that makes it a little easier to cut back when I get to that point.

Thinking this way at lunch, I got to my meeting and today we had salads, each of which came with a little bag containing a sesame/sunflower seed "whole wheat" bagel and a cookie. (There was a choice between chicken caesar, southwest chicken, and walnut blue cheese. I went for the southwest chicken.) Pretty much most people ate it all. I of course immediately wrapped up the cookie and set it aside. I broke the bagel in half. I put a little bit of the dressing on the salad and all of the fried chip pieces because there was only about a tbsp and I love them and never buy them. Then I marked off mentally about 50% of the salad, and divided one half in two. I ate the first half, dipping my fork in the dressing rather than pouring on more than about a teaspoon. Still hungry, I went on. I wound up eating 1/2 of the bagel and about 80% of the salad, all I intended to eat. I was pleasantly full but not overfull. I estimated I had eaten about 500 calories.

Going home and looking up nutrition facts for Noah's bagels, t's hard to say for sure (because it depends on calculating the dressing not eaten - almost all of it), but I think I probably ate more like 600 calories. Although that's a lot to be off, it is the 20% predicted by Brian Wansink, and I think I might have been able to get away with less, but it's hard when everyone else is sitting there eating their cookie.

So what I feared did not come to pass - a blowout, and I got away more or less OK. I ate a bit less this morning than usual, not by plan, but as it happened, maybe because I used a salad plate for breakfast. Not a bad idea.

I also picked up the Mestermacher Rye mentioned in No S and some Scottish porridge oatmeal. Maybe tomorrow I will put seeds and nuts and blueberries in some oatmeal and try that for breakfast as described in the book. Oatmeal has not in the past kept me full, although it used to be my standard too-hungry-to-sleep snack. But I didn't try this type - only Quaker quick cook or old fashioned. I also have some steel cut oats at home but that seems like too much trouble if it won't satisfy. If the porridge oats work, I might fool around with cooking the steel cut oats the night before and having them for breakfast - maybe leaving them in a loaf pan to be heated up in slices in a skillet - there's a name for that that escapes me now --oh yeah, fried mush - usually done with cornmeal.

Or I could have the Mestermacher Rye with some peanut butter and a piece of fruit for breakfast and the oats for lunch? Usually like veggies at lunch though.

Also picked up some buttermilk - a natural rather than processed skim milk, and some mochi rice - a naturally sweet whole grain to make "muffins" for breakfast that Becky might like without adding any sweetener.

So the plan is to plate out what I want, then try eating 20% less and see if I can stabilize or lose a bit. If that works and I'm not too hungry, I'm there. If not, may need to work myself down to only 2 meals a day and just a glass of milk at breakfast, but that would entail more discomfort all morning than I am up for right now.

So if I aim for under 1500 calories - 300 to 400 in the am, 400 to 500 at lunch, 500 to 600 at dinner, maybe that will hold me and I'll at least stop gaining. And if I undershoot, I can always have my 5 oz 100 cal glass of milk. Eating less than 500 calories at dinner has usually left me waking up too hungry at 3, so I am working back from there, and if I need to be hungry at some point, I tolerate it best in the morning.

The brilliance of No S, as far as I am concerned, lies in figuring out first what you both need to do to keep from gaining and are willing to do for the rest of your life, before you fret about losing, in my case, a pound or two. Every other plan I looked at worked great for losing weight but failed when I tried to employ its maintenance plan, if it bothered to include one. I always wound up either too hungry or gaining weight. So my goal right now, in addition to the habit of following No S on N days, is to tweak it to get it to work solidly and smoothly for me.

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:35 pm

Days on NoS - today is day 15.
Today I weighed 116.0 pounds. So that just confirms what Reinhard says about how unreliable the scale is. According to this scale, I have lost about 2 pounds of muscle in 2 days of not exercising, and I don't buy that. Had I relied on the scale, I would have been gnashing my teeth yesterday over gaining up to 118.4 - and maybe blown it. I wasn't pleased, but I didn't blow it. Then today I might have been concerned about losing too fast! And blown it. But it's mostly just that 1 1/2 to 2 lbs. of water that comes on and off depending on whether I am in weight loss or weight maintenance mode. Started to lose again - so -boom - off comes a little bit of real weight and those couple of pounds of water.

Yesterday was a SUCCESS and I am very proud because it was tough, as already described. Going from noon to 6:30 was very hard and I nearly opted for the glass of milk, but I didn't want to. I am getting into a kind of game - how little can I eat and still be satisfied and still make it to the next meal? Because isn't that what N days are about? The stakes are low - eat a bit too much and I know to go for less next time, eat a bit too little and there's always that glass of milk I haven't needed yet this week.

Decided not to make all of Friday an S day. The reason I wanted to was in part because I am Jewish and Friday night is a big deal for us, so it is a natural S and I would definitely feel deprived otherwise. But the other reason is that in the past when I experimented with "days off", I found that the first day I didn't want too much sweet, but the second day was harder. So if I space it out, I won't run into that. But in a way that is a carte blanche to overdo it for 2 days, whereas if the 2 days are closer together, as in Reinhard's No S, there is a restraint. Also, from reading the book, I have a clearer sense of S days not as days to indulge, but as days to relax, have a treat or 2, and exercise natural restraint. Last week, even though all day Friday was an S day, the only difference was that we had a wonderful dinner with a very small serving of really really good ice cream and a very small piece of really really good chocolate for dessert. So then it would be no change to follow a sundown to sundown S day pattern starting Friday night at dinner and running through the afternoon, ending just before dinner on Sunday. I'm going to try that.

The other reason I was going to space out the S days was to put a day of rest and recovery in my exercise. But because exercise is natural for me, even though I am resting this week to try to recover from my CFS, I think I can work out the exercise pattern and have S days from shovelgloving according to what is best for me - maybe 2 days on, day off, 3 days on , day off, and that won't be confusing. Today I am hoping to be up to a walk with Pete, but I'm going to be conservative about it because I think my brain is finally coming back and I don't want to blow it.

After writing last week about the morning buns at La Farine, still on my mind, I was reading an article today about the favorite foods of local food writers and noted them on one person's list - so I am not the only one to find them very special. I was going to have one for breakfast tomorrow, but with the change in S day, I will have one for breakfast either Saturday or Sunday morning. And maybe only half of one, although they are small-could save half for the next day or the next S day. I'll probably walk down to get it, too, about a mile. And eat it with an egg or a glass of milk or cafe au lait.

So today for breakfast I ate one slice of the Mestermacher rye bread and 2 eggs scrambled with some peppers and onions. I had taken out a tangerine (from the "fruit shrine" on the table) and about a tbsp or so of cottage cheese left in the container, but I didn't need them. Two hours later I am still comfortable, so we'll see if this carries me to 1 P.M. - I bet it will.

Tonight is another challenge because I have class at 5:45 until 7:15. First time I've had class since starting No S. 3 ways of dealing with this - in the past, I have eaten a small dinner at 5:15 and then another one or a large snack after class. When I was working out intensively, I would work out for an hour just before the 5:15 meal and doing that invariably I would find the next day I had significantly boosted my muscle percentage. But I am not able to work out like that right now. So one alternative is to eat dinner at that hour - but it is way too early to take me to the next morning. Another would be to make this an NWS day, but I have class at least 4 times per month, and besides, given how late we have been eating in general, 7:15 is not bad. So I am going to eat lunch around 1:15 and should be fine with dinner after class. We'll see how it goes.

I do want to note that I am finding it easier to go between meals without eating than it was last week. I still get a bit shaky and light-headed and irritable, but it is not quite as bad.

So for today and tomorrow during the day, I will play the game of seeing how little will hold me to the next meal, then for my S days I will relax and just see if I can maintain what I have lost more or less.

I know I should take a break from the scale for a week but it is my crutch and that is very scary for me. Maybe tackle that next week. Want to see anyway what happens after being off Sensa for a week - so far I've gained one pound and that is nothing compared to the freedom of not needing to sprinkle something on everything I eat, even though relative to the state of anxiety I was in about eating before Sensa and NoS, the sprinkling wasn't bad. Still it feels really good for me to be in charge rather than dependent on the sprinkles.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:25 pm

Made it through day 15, which was a SUCCESS. Weight today was 116.6, so I'm up a bit from yesterday, but yesterday's weight was suspect. I'm very pleased. Still playing the game of seeing how little I can eat that will hold me to the next meal. I was worried about making it through class last night, but actually when I finished dinner wasn't even ready yet and I had to hold out until 7:30, which got tough, but I made it. I am getting hungry, but I am definitely not getting as light-headed or shaky, so my body is adjusting. And I did fine in class.

Still taking a break from morning exercise until I am better, because I can't judge how I am first thing and while I am sick it is better not to exercise than to overdo it, unfortunately. But I am definitely on the mend and I walked my slightly over 2 miles route with Petey yesterday and am no worse today, so that is major good news. It was still hard to get my head to focus yesterday, but I did, even though mostly I just prepared for class. Afterwords, I worked on some complicated stuff from Real Property. I am not doing as much as I need to yet, but I am working on it, at least.

Tonight is my next set of S days. I want to reward myself for a successful week of Ns with a small dish of ice cream and some chocolate tonight, and a morning bun either tomorrow morning or Sunday morning. Maybe just one treat a day, considering the ice cream and chocolate together as a treat. But I will see. I still want to try to eat less, but to be relaxed about it. I am aiming for what Brian Wansink calls the Mindless Margin - the 10% less that you do not feel. I don't expect to be able to eat sweets and lose weight, but I've earned those sweets and I want them. I will be happy just not to gain more than that 1 1/2 or so pounds of water that I always put on when I move out of fat burning mode.

So the pendulum may still swing some, but less, with the scale moving up a bit after the S days and down during the N days, but not too much either direction, hopefully. We'll see. Am very pleased to be off the Sensa and doing this on my own.

My biggest surprise is that I am not hungry at night. I am so happy about that. According to Byron Richards in Mastering Leptin, that is a sign that at least my leptin system is working properly. Just need to get my body accustomed to the 3 meal routine, and it is getting easier. The next 15 days is going to be crucial, though. I have not yet made it a month without an episode of serous overeating.

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Post by groovy1 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:11 pm

I'm not quite sure whether yesterday counts as an S or an N - was an N up to dinner, which starts my S days. Either way it went well, making for 16 days on No S.

Today I decided to try Reinhard's intelligent default lunch for breakfast - Scottish porridge oatmeal + flax seeds and peanut butter + whey powder for more protein and a few raspberries. It was something of a disaster, but since it's an S day, I guess it's OK. I followed the package directions and put the oatmeal in the microwave in what I thought was a big enough bowl but it boiled over as soon as I turned my back and left a big steaming mess. So then I tried it just the way Reinhard does it, since I hadn't put the seeds or peanut butter or berries or powder in yet, and I just added them all to the oatmeal with some boiling water. It made a small gluey thing which I ate and I can't say I enjoyed it much, plus I was left very hungry. By that point, the oatmeal in the microwave had cooled off enough to clean it up, and I was so hungry I ate what was left in the bowl.

I started to get full - heck, I usually don't eat more than about 350 calories for a big breakfast, and I had just eaten about 500, and then I started to feel really weak. Don't know whether it was related to the food or not - started to feel really bad and I had to go back to bed. But something like that used to happen after eating much of the time, although this was a bit different - just an overwhelming feeling of strain.

Oatmeal has never really satisfied me but Reinhard writes so glowingly of his oatmeal lunches I thought I'd give this a try. I am still full - it is about an hour or so later now, but I don't think I'll do it this way again.

I have some steel cut oats I bought months ago and never opened. This Scottish porridge oats were not Reinhard's brand, which I could not find. Maybe the steel cut oats will work better. I think it is too much to add both peanut butter and whey powder, which does become very gluey if you add it to anything hot, but adding it to oatmeal was recommended elsewhere. ick.

Maybe I'll cook up the steel cut oats - they don't take very long - only 10 to 20 minutes and I could undercook them so they'd be chewy. I could leave out the flax seeds , and just go with oatmeal and whey powder. Or I could give up on oatmeal. I just keep reading how it has the lowest glycemic index of any grain and is supposed to stick with you the best. So it sounds great. Then I could drink my whey powder shake with the berries and flax seeds and eat the oatmeal. The plain oatmeal tasted great, better than the gluey mess. And the scottish porridge oatmeal is very quick and easy to cook if you can keep it in the bowl - will try a 9" pie plate and see if that works better. But not today. With only 3 meals a day, even on an S day, I don't want to waste another meal. This one was a lot of calories for something - at least 400 - for the thing I didn't enjoy, plus another 100 for the porridge that turned out ok.

Last night we had a great dinner - French - les leftovers - but I got creative. We started with the traditional blessing for the Sabbath and wine and challah, and then I served warm fish on cold crisp tiny romaine leaves with hot asparagus, then chicken in a dill/cilantro sauce with couscous and lentils, a bit of a beet/leek/avocado salad from the Lutece Cookbook and green salad. For dessert - a very small serving of that wonderful coffee ice cream with some good chocolate. Today I weighed 117.2, so I am up a bit, but not bad. And I did not eat too much - I had left room for dessert.

Because I ate so much for breakfast, I am hoping it will hold me a little longer and I can put off lunch until about 2. We'll see.

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Post by groovy1 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:23 pm

Well - only made it to 1:15. But I was reading about Bob's Red Mill Muesli and how energizing and filling it was so I bought some and thought I'd try that with whey protein powder and fruit for lunch. Another near disaster - this time I mixed the powder up cold and added the muesli and some apple and cinnamon and let it sit for 10 minutes. It was thin, the cinnamon made it bitter and it was pretty bad but I was so hungry I ate it anyway, along with some cole slaw and a couple of bran crispbreads and some hummus. I tried the whey powder by itself and it's OK - tastes like malted milk (this is chocolate flavor) and the muesli by itself and it's more or less what I would have expected, but they definitely do not go together. I would just eat oatmeal and yogurt and muesli and yogurt and milk or soy milk except I have tons of whey powder to use up, and I mean tons. So maybe 3 times a week I'll make a whey shake with some frozen fruit and freshly ground flax seeds and drink that and try also making some porridge oatmeal and maybe crumbling in one of those bran breads and see if that will hold me for the 5 or 6 hours until lunch. I bought the whey powder because for a while I was having a whey shake every morning and it did hold me nicely for about 3 hours -this was one of those eat every 3 hour diet plans. But then the mornings got cool, and I was exercising every morning so I'd come to breakfast damp with sweat and the cold shake made me too cold and I got away from drinking the shakes. So I'll try those 3x a week as a change from the eggs and sprouted wheat English muffin or Mestemacher rye, which definitely holds me for hours. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow, another S day, so if I get too hungry I can grab something in addition.

As for the morning buns - well, maybe they'll wait another week. I was right by the bakery today when I got the muesli, but I can't say I want them badly enough. Maybe when I've gotten down to where I want to be for a couple of weeks, or maybe one of these S days they will start singing to me. But if they aren't doing that, I'd rather eat something I think will keep me better satisfied.

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:46 pm

Yesterday was an S day, completing 17 days so far on No S.

After my 2 whey powder/oat disasters, I gave it one more try last night and made these things called "ABC Protein Bars" that are actually more like oat cakes, from peanut butter, egg whites, the chocolate whey powder, a little milk and the Bob's Red Mill Scottish porridge oats, which I toasted first. I didn't really eat them because they are for breakfast and I am trying to stick to meals even on S days, but what I tasted was actually wonderful--dense and hearty. I figure one of those, warmed in the toaster oven with some coconut toasted on top, and a couple of GGs with maybe some cottage cheese and fruit should hold me until lunch. So we'll see --they are high in protein, high in mono-unsaturated fatty acids, only 220 calories (w/out the coconut).

Today I made the oatmeal buttermilk waffles from the Scottish porridge package, with my homeground whole wheat pastry flour. They were fantastic, especially with a tiny bit of real jam and some yogurt. The yogurt just perfectly meshed with the tanginess of the whole grains - really good, with an egg. Very filling and good and the freezer is now full of them, although I think of waffles as an S day treat. But they're not sweet - there is no sweetener at all in them, so I could have them on an N day if I were really hungry.

The other appealing recipe I have is for the oatmeal scones on the steel cut oats package - also not sweet and I would imagine them to be quite chewy. I wish they would give the calorie count but that's easy enough to calculate. So next plan in oatmeal land is to make the steel cut oats to compare-- if I don't cook them too much, they should be more like the Wessex porridge oats, ie, chewier rather than creamy like the porridge oats. But I have to say those porridge oats were really yummy with nothing added. Just need to cook them up in a huge pot so they don't boil over and they are very fast. So the only issue is whether they will keep me full.

But I decided to put a fence around the law - since I am taking Friday night as an S day, I think the safest bet is to make breakfast Sunday morning the last S meal. Otherwise I am worried that I might eat too much on Sunday and somehow create 3 S days rather than 2. So back to N and the game of seeing how little I can eat that will hold me until the next meal, but with a nice full tummy from this morning.

I weighed 117.4 pounds, which is exactly what I weighed on the first 2 Sundays on Sensa, only without Sensa and without being starving, either. Very pleased. I was 24.5% fat, I think, and 29% muscle, so not nearly as good as I was before I went back to law school, but it is amazing how well that Omron scale works in reflecting that I have been feeling better and able to exercise more. Still on a vacation from shovel gloving until tomorrow morning, and I want to take it easy when I resume. But I'm picking up speed on the afternoon walk. The other cool thing is that yesterday my usual short walking circuit was marked off and it turns out that it is a bit over 3 miles, I think pretty much 5 kilometers, but I could time how fast I was going and I'm under 15 minutes a mile, so that's pretty good. When I am up to it, I am going to start easing in a bit of jogging, but I am so paranoid about falling again - I keep tripping over the stones and roots on the trail - that I might just settle for fast walking because it is easier on the joints. Byron Richards is a big fan of walking because you can do it for a longer duration, which he feels is key - so maybe, actually, rather than start jogging I may park farther away and add another mile, or actually, almost a mile, to the circuit and that would probably bring me up to the hour he recommends. And I'd save a bit of driving time and would avoid what happened yesterday, when I had to wait about 15 minutes for people to pay before I could get into the park.

I'd like to put back the one to 2 percent of muscle I've lost and exchange it for about 1 to 2 percent of fat, putting me back to where I was in February, but over a couple of months, so I do it without starving myself. Am very excited. When I think about doing No S for the rest of my life, it is overwhelming - what, no snacks! no sweets! no seconds! what - how can I do that 5 days a week?! But when I think, can I do this today, it is OK. I am encouraged by a post I read, maybe from KCCC, about how she had to do it for a whole year, to get past each season's particular challenges, and I found that very inspiring. It looks like I'm having an easy time, because I haven't screwed up yet, but each day that is not an S day is hard, and even S days are hard because I so do not want to blow this, because this is my 13th or 14th attempt to go without an overeating episode totally destroying my hard work since I started on Remeron and discovered I was putting on weight very fast and began to diet, about a month after I started the drug last July. I will feel relieved when I make it to day 30 and buy my mug, but I can't afford to feel too relieved. Maybe after 6 months? Anyway, this is only my 3rd time of making the adjustment from S back to N, so we'll see how tough it is. Clearly I am still thinking more than I'd like to about food and diets and cooking, although it is healthier thinking and I am making food for us that is wonderful and nourishing. Still I need to get more serious about law school or I will fall dangerously behind.

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:50 pm

I made one more oat discovery. Some time ago, maybe a couple of months, Jess bought some oat bran, but it is actually labelled Bob's Red Mill oat bran hot cereal - So it is even higher in fiber than the porridge oats. You can cook it, but apparently you don't need to. So that's one more thing to try - to add the oat bran to the whey powder smoothie, which is supposed to be very good, to or to cook it up to eat with the smoothie, which is also supposed to be very good, and what I'll do if I want something hot. So that gives me the oatcakes, and porridge cereal and this cereal so I can have some form of oats in the morning, and there are still the steel cut oats to play with. And the waffles and scones. I'd like to try that 3 days a week with some form of the whey powder, as an alternative to eggs and Mestemacher bread or the high fiber tortillas. Just looking for what will be healthy, not too sweet, not to heavy, because I had another little setback this morning after eating my waffles and egg, and will hold me for the 5 to 6 hours until lunch.

Quaker Oats are OK, but they don't hold me more than an hour or two.

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Post by groovy1 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:56 pm

Today is day 19 of No S. Yesterday, as I posted, I went back to N after breakfast. I ate a big breakfast and I think I ate too much at lunch, the old fear of one plate not being enough, and was uncomfortable and gassy all afternoon. So I didn't eat much dinner and, again, to my surprise, I was fine and not hungry. I was really worried last night, although I eased my concerns with the promise of a glass of milk if I needed it, but I think my leptin is back to functioning properly and I just don't get hungry any more after dinner until the morning. Hallelujah and boy am I grateful.

I weighed 116.8 this morning, not at all bad after 2 S days, and I am hoping to be in the 115s at the end of the week, but as long as I am following No S, I'm cool as long as I am not gaining, better if I shrink just a bit. Also just as good if I don't gain and I convert some more fat into muscle. And no more Sensa, but just to be on the safe side I will wait another week before canceling the second shipment.

I was able to do the longer 4 mile hike yesterday in an hour and no ill effects today so I am definitely on the mend and I did my shovel glove faithfully this morning. I have decided to use the shovel glove only 3 days a week, alternating with the stair climber, so I give my arms a bit longer to recover and I give my thighs the benefit of the climber, which does seem to really shape them better than walking or running alone. I have a dual action climber so I get some ab and arm benefit from it as well, but different from the shovel glove.

One more thing to add to today's glowing report. I ate my ABC protein bar this morning that I posted about - porridge oats, peanut butter, whey protein powder, egg whites, and a bit of milk, Stevia, and vanilla. I topped mine with coconut and toasted it in the little toaster oven - it was really, really good. Jess ate one and also loved it, without the coconut. I had that and 2 GG breads with some cottage cheese and a tangerine, all in all about 325 calories, and 4 hours later I am just beginning to get the very first signals of hunger, so I am thrilled with how well it worked and astonished, because sitting on the little dessert plate I use for breakfast, it didn't look like much. But it was totally satisfying at the time.

For lunch today, I am going to walk down to the Mexican restaurant and get fish tacos. Well, I started out eating a whole fish taco lunch with beans and cheese as well, but that is really a lot of food. So the last few times, I got 2 of them a la carte plus an order of grilled veggies, which was much better. But today, playing this game of seeing how little I can eat and still be satisfied until the next meal, I will get one fish taco, to which I always add plenty of fresh salsa, and an order of grilled veggies and drink a small carton of milk with it if they sell milk there. If not, I'll come home to finish my meal with the milk. I am getting into this.

Hopefully Pete and I will go out today and do either 3 1/4 or 4 miles, depending on how much I can get done today. As I think about it, the 4 mile route is a little closer, although parking is not as secure - it looks like someone broke into a car there - but I usually go in late afternoon when there are a lot of people using the park, so should be safer. Anyway, it's a 12 minute longer walk and about a 5 minute longer drive, so it's not much time for getting an hour workout like Byron Richards recommends. Still having some fibromyalgia, but my energy level is so much better and I think the supplements he recommended - adding coQ 10 in the morning when I normally take my krill oil, + magnesium malate and larch arabinogalactan 3x/day - have really helped. + of course, the magic of regular exercise. I felt guilty about the hour and fifteen minutes a day I spend exercising and cut back some and I think that's part of why I relapsed. Something about exercising that much seems to boost my immune system sufficiently. So no more guilt about it. 14 or 15 minutes in the morning and my one hour walk in the afternoon because it beats spending weeks too sick to get my work done. Now I gratefully go back to studying, very gratefully that my head has come back to the point where I am able to do it.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:04 pm

This is day 20. Yesterday was a SUCCESS. My experiment with how little I could eat and still be satisfied went really well. I already posted about the oatcake. For lunch, I only had one fish taco and the grilled veggies and about half of a glass of milk. I went on a longer walk than usual, maybe 4 1/4 miles. By dinner I was really hungry, so I had chicken and braised spring onions and yams and then 1/2 an apple, 5 oz. of buttermilk and 7 almonds. All was plated out in advance, of course, and I actually had more almonds which I gave to Jess and Becky because they also like them.

I used to feel I needed something sweet after dinner to leave a pleasant taste in my mouth. I find that the milk and/or fruit and/or nuts and especially all 3 together do that very well. I am also finding that less is enough - less of each, or, if I am not that hungry, only one of each.

I stopped at 5 at each meal on the hunger scale and felt very light afterwards, but each of those meals sustained me until the next.

Today I was down to 115.8. I wouldn't mind losing another half a pound during my remaining N days, but if not, that's ok too. The main thing is to dampen the swing of the pendulum, let it settle, and then see how low I can sneak down my weight staying in the Mindless Margin, which seems to mean finishing my meals at 5.

I'm not feeling 100%. I felt tired before I started my walk yesterday. Part of that was that Jess woke me up at least half a dozen times the night before, anxious about her trip to New York today for her brother's surgery. But I need to be very careful or I will sink back again. My head was Ok in the morning, but faded, and I had a very hard time focusing yesterday. Since my priority must shift to law school now, I need to do whatever I need to do to keep my head as clear as possible. So I did not exercise this morning. I am hoping though to do a nice long walk this afternoon.

Tonight I have class again. Eating before 5:30 is just too early for me, so I won't probably get to eat until 7:15, and need to prepare my body for that. I woke up starving today - not surprising. So I didn't feel like a whey protein shake - I wanted something hot and hearty. (I notice that my interest in whey shakes diminished shortly after running out of the Extreme Milk Chocolate and switching to the Double chocolate, which doesn't have the aspartame but is not nearly as tasty...) I made us 2 eggs apiece with peppers and onions and a bit of cheese plus salsa and fresh cilantro and a hot whole wheat tortilla and I stuck a GG bread in there too, plus an orange. Very yummy and so satisfying I couldn't finish it all. The 2 speed bump method worked great. I was so hungry I didn't make my tea before I started to eat, so at the halfway point I made tea. Then I stopped again at the next halfway. I used to do that before with the same success - for me it really works. After eating I was quite full even though I took a long time to eat and stopped at 5. So it's a good thing I stopped when I did.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:22 pm

One more little note - about weighing. I know people say it is better to get away from the scale. But I find it helpful. Yes, there are times when it is frustrating because I think I am undereating or just maintaining and I'm actually gaining or I'm in a plateau, and in the past those have been excuses to blow it. But I'm using it as a kind of biofeedback device, understanding its limitations. The difference is mental, not with the scale. I'm not living to please the scale, and I'm not upset about the one or 2 pound variation up or down. But it is teaching me how to re-interpret the signals from my body which were messed up when I started taking Remeron. So I am hoping to maintain or lose a bit more this week--but regardless of any number on the scale, I am going to continue to follow vanilla No S. Just knowing that I'll hop back on the next day is something of a restraint to me on S days, but not out of fear of the scale - out of respect for the hard work I have done and am continuing to do. Similarly, if I am hungry, I am going to eat, continuing to follow vanilla No S. Because my body is adjusting and I don't want to screw it up and go back to being hungry all the time and having cravings for sweets, none of which is happening now. Reading Mastering Leptin was very eye-opening and I am grateful to Oolala53 for posting about it. Understanding how NoS works hormonally really supports it. Today after breakfast I was cleaning the kitchen and there was a very small crispy tempting piece of one of my oat buttermilk waffles that Jess had heated up for Becky. Tiny, crispy, I knew it had virtually no calories and would fill my mouth with that tangy taste - but I didn't eat it. Because that's all it takes to confuse a body learning that it eats 3 times a day and must burn fat between meals. So I add that book to Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat and No S and Mindless Eating and Food Rules as an excellent adjunct to NoS.

I am still thinking about that recipe for buttermilk scones using the steel cut oats, and I think I will make them on Friday. With Jess and Becky gone this week, there is no point in baking challah just for me. I have some old low carb challah in the freezer that I cut into single servings, but I think I will preserve the spirit of the holiday and make scones and have one with dinner and one with breakfast and freeze the rest. The website does give the nutritional information and cut into 1/8s like it says, they are each 250 calories, which is more carbs than I like to eat at any single meal. So I will cut them into twelfths and at about 167 calories apiece that's fine with dinner or with a whey shake for breakfast.

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Post by buttercreampillow » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:38 pm

Hi, groovy. I'm a law student, too, and working on my own grey hairs. Are you a veterinarian also?

Welcome to No S!

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:28 am

I didn't post this morning because I am trying not to lose so much time doing it, although it is very helpful. The GUILT is returning that I am not getting enough studying done, so I know I'm feeling better. That part is a relief. I just feel so guilty and ashamed at how much mental energy goes into not gaining weight and thinking about what I've just eaten and what I'll be eating at the next meal, and the next day, and the next S day. At least, thanks to No S, I'm no longer feeling guilty about what I'm actually eating and I am enjoying it very, very much. I just hope and pray that what has happened to so many others whose posts I have found so inspiring happens to me, too, and the obsession with food and weight begins to go away.

Today, although I am conservatively not posting it to the Habitcal until tomorrow morning, today was my 21st day of NoS. It has been a huge SUCCESS so far. I decided I was wasting more time agonizing over whether to graph my weights over the last 6 weeks than I would spend doing it, so I made a graph yesterday, and it is so cool to actually see the pendulum slowing, and to see my weight settling at what is a perfectly acceptable place although, as usual, I wouldn't mind losing another couple of pounds. I actually got too thin for a week at the beginning of February, but that was back when I was still way ahead in law school and hadn't been sick for months and months and was exercising intensely and quite a lot. And I was starving myself and hungry all the time. I could always lose the weight - the maintenance was impossible. And that is the extreme beauty of No S - managing maintenance first and letting the pounds slip away by very slightly undereating, what Brian Wansink calls the Mindless Margin and what Michelle May calls eating to 5 on the hunger scale.

But I am not going to post to the 21-day success place, because I know I have not yet reached a place where I can finally breathe the sigh of relief that tells me I no longer need to be vigilant. I almost blew it today. I had a whey shake for breakfast and a bowl of the oat bran cereal. The cereal, which I have never had before, is a real keeper. Filling, warming, I put a teaspoon of real brown sugar in it and enjoyed it. The whey shake reminded me of why I stopped drinking them when I ran out of Extreme Milk Chocolate and got the cheaper Double Chocolate from Amazon. ick. So about an hour later, I was wondering what I could do to improve the flavor and got an inspiration. But I realized that I had to be careful lest it turn into a forbidden SNACK so I carefully measured out the teensiest amount of whey and added a tiny bit of cocoa and experimented, and then at lunch I repeated the experiment with a slightly larger amount, and found it isn't so bad when I add cocoa and Stevia and use 2/3 vanilla soy milk and heat it and then whip it up in the blender. But it's still not great and I have a ton of it and it was too expensive to waste.

Anyway, I will celebrate like mad when I have gone 30 days on No S without blowing it and buy myself a No S mug. And that is only 9 days away. Back to the books.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:42 pm

Today is day 23 of No S - 22 days completed. Yesterday was a SUCCESS.

Today is hard. I seemed to have mysteriously gained 1 1/2 pounds overnight even though I am sure I ate fewer than 1500 calories, I shovelgloved in the morning and I walked a good 4 miles in the afternoon at a good pace. It happens sometimes. And I am hungry today and my breakfast, one of those homemade high-protein peanut butter/egg white/whey powder and oat bars and a good-sized bowl of hot oat bran cereal with berries, is not holding me. It's only 11:30 and I have to make it to 1:00 or I will get hungry too early for dinner or dinner will be too early to hold me until the next morning. A little voice is whispering, you know - the first 2 weeks you made all day Friday and Sunday your S days, and you only switched last weekend to starting the S days at dinner on Friday and ending with breakfast on Sunday...But I made that switch to bring my eating plan closer to vanilla No S, which I want to follow for 30 days, just making that one change for religious reasons.

But I will eat a good lunch. I am not feeling very good, achy, nose a little runny, weak and tired. I am going to make a one-person serving of garlic soup and a filling thing with cottage cheese wrapped in a low-carb tortilla and heated, topped with yogurt, and some salad and maybe more hot veggies. I will fill myself at lunch with what is nourishing and satisfying.

I know it's supposed to get easier after the first 2 weeks, but I also know my body, and the last week of the month is very tough - I have yet to get past it on any of the diet or eating plans I have followed since all this started at the end of August. But this will be different, because I don't need to go hungry to stick with the plan--just to plate out in advance what will fill me, with no seconds. Soup is tough because it takes up a lot of room on a plate, but I will work around that. Maybe use a trencher today - I'm that hungry! But to me the point is not necessarily that it go on a single piece of dinnerware but that it is put out for the eyeballs to gauge in advance of eating, so you can't sneak extra, with no seconds. No sweets - that's easy when I'm genuinely hungry because I don't crave them then; no snacks - well, aside from my commitment to No S, I know that getting a snack now would confuse my body, which is learning to eat only three times a day.

So it's a good thing I can post here and talk myself out of eating early!

I hold in my mind's eye my reward for getting to day 30 - one more week - my big No S mug!!

I was going to call the Sensa folks today to cancel my subscription, but I thought better of it - let me go to day 30, which should be plenty of time, since I never opened month 2 and have until May 9, they said, to cancel. It sounds like an appropriate way to celebrate.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:42 pm

I am really sick again, and so discouraged. I had such a long remission - from the end of July until middle of March, but I cannot seem to recover. I don't know whether the magic of Remeron wore off - it has happened before that I had a successful remission from a medication but once it was gone I could not recapture it, or whether law school just adds so much stress that it's too much, or whether because I am using a generic, this batch of drug is bad. I did notice that I am not having the awful hunger and sugar cravings, but I thought that was NoS. I am due for a refill soon, and maybe I will pick it up today and start the new drug tonight instead of waiting to finish out the last week of pills I have.

I just discovered that there is a veterinary medical law association. Who knew? Didn't exist while I was in school. I wrote to see if I would qualify as a student member, since I am not able to work because of my illness. I also noticed that the last newsletter they have available is over a year old. Maybe they need a new editor? Wouldn't be a bad gig since the journal only comes out quarterly, and what a great position for me! Would definitely mean switching from the J.D. to the E.J.D. program, but it's probably worth it. Or maybe I will have to do that anyway. The E.J.D. program does not qualify you to sit for the bar, which means you can't become a lawyer, but it does open the door to many law-related positions, and the big advantage is that you have more time to complete the work. The state of California mandates that the work in a J.D. program be completed within a specified period of time, which is why the program is so intense. That's hard for a person with an illness that causes brain fog and extreme weakness! Also, the California Bar Exam is a 3-day ordeal and might be beyond my physical capabilities. E.J.D. is equivalent to a Master's degree in law, but it's a 3-year program. If I took more time to do the modules, I would finish in almost 3 more instead of almost 2 more years, and that would be what I intended to do anyway. I am not sure that I gain enough by getting a J.D. to stay in such a grueling program for me. There are other students doing it and excelling while they work full-time, but that does seem possible for me. Switching to E.J.D. would not let me completely off the hook, but it would ease the load dramatically. The only problem with taking more time is that it would put me behind for the live classes, which I love being prepared for. But there is no hurry to make the change unless I actually fall behind, which I have not done yet--I just lost the lead I had when school started. The other advantage of E.J.D. is that I could space out my Final Exams - would not have to take them 2 a day and a few days apart, but could do one a week or more. Physically that would be a lot better for me, because the last set of Finals did me in for 6 weeks. So I am seriously considering making the switch.

I did my shovel gloving yesterday, but not today because it is an S day. But I did not take Petey out yesterday afternoon - too sick , and today I am worse. So probably no walk today. I don't call my walks "urban ranger" because we go up to the hills and although you can see the city, the East Bay Regional Parks are wonderful and wild in a uniquely California way that I love.

I made it yesterday through the morning and did not eat until almost 1:30 actually. I made myself this terrific garlic soup from Marcia Jo Shulman's "recipes for one" posted online and ate it with my whole wheat tortilla lower-cal version of a blintz and it was wonderful and did all indeed more than fit on a 9" plate.

Made a fantastic dinner last night, including the steel-cut oat scones I posted about last week. They were chewy and good and not sweet, but I am not sure they are worth the effort or extra calories compared to Mestemacher bread or Ezekiel bread and definitely not as much of a treat as the challah I usually bake for Shabbat every Friday. But I'll probably eat one or two tonight with dinner as a kind of whole wheat/whole oat biscuit.

I was pleased to eat what I had plated out, which was substantial - marinated grilled thin steaks, portabello mushroom and onions, asparagus, salad, and scone, with a bit of wine, and a small portion of ice cream and chocolate. And afterwards, I was tempted to have one more spoonful of ice cream, since I had dished out only about 1/6 of a pint, and Friday nights are S meals for me. But to me the extra spoonful is the road to perdition. I didn't go there. And I'm very glad. So after my big meal, I weighed the same today as yesterday. Doesn't mean much because yesterday's weight was mysteriously higher than I expected and it can take a day or two for the scale to catch up. But what does matter was that I ate a celebratory meal that did not leave me too full, only happily satisfied, and ate and drank nothing afterwards. Very happy with that.

I have 7 more days to go, counting today, to day 30. Although I don't want to make too much of day 30, because after that comes day 31. This is a forever plan. It's just a marker on a long road.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:01 pm

Yesterday was an S day. Today is an S day until lunch, after which it becomes an N day. I decided I can make a fence around the law just by declaring lunch Sunday to be the last S meal, leaving the entire afternoon subject to N rules, in the same way that dinner on Friday is the first S meal, with Friday afternoon subject to N rules.

Not that it matters, because I don't snack. It was too hard to get my body to accept eating 3 times a day, so now that it's beginning to get there, I won't screw it up.

The main difference is that it would be OK to eat sweets or have seconds, which I don't usually do at lunch anyway.

I am really, really sick. Can barely get up. Totally a drag. Jess is still out of town, keeping her brother company as he recovers from surgery. The news was very bad. His cancer was pretty much inoperable. But they debulked it and instilled chemo into his abdomen. It's grim, and I am so glad she is able to be with him now. The house without Jess and Becky is quiet and peaceful, although there is work to be done in caring for three cats and two puppies, neither of which is yet housebroken, although Pete is getting close.

I was intrigued by the title of a book I saw on the bestseller list - Geneen Roth's Women Food and God, and I looked it up. She says that how we approach food is how we approach life, and we can learn a lot from that about ourselves. If that is true, then there is hope for me, thanks to No S, because I am really enjoying food and eating, and I eat well. I also find I have no desire to overeat right now. So I am finally getting comfortable with the notion that there will be no awful hunger any more - if I am hungry, I will eat more at the next meal, and there will be a next meal. I also find there is no percentage in eating if I am not hungry. Last night I had a great dinner - chicken and fresh green beans in a spicy tomato sauce I made and roasted yam and homemade whole grain oat scone and salad. Afterwards, I was still hungry, so I ate the last of my low-carb ice cream bars, which is a very small thing, but very pleasant. Must have bought the box months ago because it predates not only No S but what came just before No S, but it was individually wrapped and still good, but I was still hungry after. So I took out an Ezekiel bread cinnamon raisin English muffin. I bought the box frozen, so I had to defrost the muffin in the microwave to be able to slice it, and then I ate one half with a bit of butter and jam. Very nice. There was the other half sitting there, warm, fragrant, open and inviting, and I popped it in the toaster oven and while it was crisping up, I took the food down to my old man cat. And I realized as I was doing that, that I was no longer hungry. So I took the muffin half out of the toaster oven and put it back into the box, which went back into the freezer. No biggie - this was how I was before Remeron and hunger and dieting. But it feels so good to be this way again -- to find that I really enjoy food and eating when I am hungry, and that I don't enjoy eating if I'm not hungry , because where is the off button? and who wants to be too full? and who wants to deal with the guilt and regret? I ate plenty -- in fact the scale was back up to 117.2, but that is 1/5 lb. lighter than I was a week ago, at the same point - the morning after the second big S dinner of the week.

Of course, the big difference is that last weekend I was out hiking, and now I am sick in bed, so who knows what's happening to my muscles. I'm not about to check on the Omron.

After posting that I was tired of being obsessed with food and eating, I realized that, as Reinhard pointed out in No S, I think, that some of that is normal. I mean, prior to the modern era, most of people's energy every day went into gathering and preparing food. But I also realized that part of it was just thinking about what I wanted to eat later. So I started writing down a tentative menu. This is very different from the old restrictive way of eating where I would plan out calories. I just started thinking about what I had and what I felt like eating, and wrote it down just so I didn't have to keep thinking about it, subject to change depending on whether I still wanted the food when it came to be time to eat. And it has helped considerably. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between the old obsession with food based on hunger and restriction and planning and calculating, and the normal everyday kind of planning a person needs to do just so that when you go to the market you buy everything you need for at least the next few days.

So I do think I am making a lot of progress in walking away from obsession with food and eating. Which is very freeing.

I have 15 more N meals before I get to celebrate my personal Mount Olympus at day 30. Yay and I'm counting.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:28 am

Today is day 25. Yesterday was a SUCCESS. This morning I weighed 114.6 pounds, which is the least I have weighed for the past couple of months. Seems like the mysterious 2 pounds which suddenly appeared on Friday suddenly left. Never know whether the mystery involves my body or the scale. I suspect the scale, because I don't look that different.

I'm still very sick, maybe even worse. Wasn't even able to walk the dogs down the block this morning, but by evening I felt well enough to take them out for a bit. Don't want to undo the progress I'm slowly making towards housebreaking Pete, anyway. As for Peanut, he's not yet a walker, but neither was Petey at his age.

This morning was hard. I ate a reasonable but smallish dinner last night and wasn't hungry until morning, and ate what I thought was a pretty filling breakfast, but I started to think about lunch at around 10, and was starting to get genuinely hungry by 11. Held out until 1, though, and then thoroughly enjoyed my lunch. The afternoon went fairly well, and I had a great dinner. Between lunch and dinner almost all the leftovers are gone, although I made some very tasty zucchini and had a little left over, and there is one more stuffed pepper for one of tomorrow's meals. Jess returns tomorrow very late. If I am able to cook, maybe I'll send her out with a shopping list on Wednesday. I have to say I really enjoy eating my own cooking, and I don't mind eating the same thing a few times in a week as long as I don't have to eat it more than once a day. I'm funny that way--don't mind leftovers, but like to vary what I eat over any given day. (As if there isn't enough going on, J is having dental surgery on Friday, so I may have to cook for Becky and myself. But you know, right now, I can barely stand up.)

If I continue to feel bad, though, one of tomorrow's meals might be at least partially frozen--we have some pretty good sole and butter beans from Trader Joe's.

I really do think I am getting healthier around food and eating in general as a result of No S, especially when I look back. So even though I am very weak and feel pretty bad, my spirits are not bad most of the time. I find myself meditating and praying, and studying as much as I am able to, and I am not anxious about school for some reason. I can only do what I can, and I am doing my very best.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:38 pm

Today is day 26. Yesterday was a SUCCESS. That leaves today, tomorrow, Thursday and Friday up to dinner before I will have climbed my personal Mt. Olympus and can collect my mug. (Because Friday dinner is the start of my S weekend, I don't worry about counting it.)

I already wrote how yesterday morning was very tough, but I made it until after 1. Today I am still sick, but I am definitely better. I know this because although it was raining, I was able to take Petey on his walk. Sometimes, the only way I can judge if I am better is to see what I am able to do, since I always seem to do the max I am able to do, even if I still feel under the weather. Speaking of weather, it is raining and cold, which is probably part of why I am still sick. I also slept in today, for the first time in months, and that is also for me a very good sign that I am on the mend, because part of my illness is a sleep disorder which makes it hard for me to sleep in. Often the first sign that I am improving is being able to sleep a bit later.

Wanted to make a note about yesterday's lunch because it was so successful for me. Our housecleaner comes on Mondays, so Monday lunch is always a problem and I usually eat out, but I didn't feel well enough to go out yesterday. So I gathered all the leftovers and cut into small strips a small piece of chicken and one of beef, and cut up the leftover chard and asparagus, and added some shredded cabbage, carrots, red and yellow bell pepper and jalapeno that I keep in the fridge, and some fresh cilantro. Then I made up one of those freeze-dried udon soup bowls, and put it all into a large bowl. I also added a few chicken broth ice cubes that I make when there is leftover broth, plus some chipotle chile powder and a bit of salt. It was really good, and so good, that I think that might be a nice standard Monday meal. I think I'll buy a thermos jar, though, so I can heat up the leftovers and chicken broth in advance and then add that to the Udon and its soup in a larger bowl, because the only problem was that it wasn't warm enough. I took it all out of the kitchen. I had asked Elsa not to clean the bedroom because I wasn't feeling up to moving my law books out and then back in, so I just brought the cutting board and the leftovers and spices and soup package downstairs, where I keep a Thermos of hot water every day. But in the future, I think I'll prepare it in the morning before she comes, or some similar hot lunch, and then just bring it outside to the office where I usually stay on Mondays so she can clean without me in the way.

Just wanted to add, too, that after knocking those whole oat scones I made, I have been enjoying one with dinner every night and really love them. I froze them, and then just nuke them along with everything else in my retro bisque TV tray.

Today I weighed 114.8 pounds, so I am a bit up from yesterday. I didn't eat very much yesterday, but when I am sick like that I am so inactive that I guess I didn't need very much. Still I am very happy and if I maintain at this general weight, that's great.

After being hungry for hours yesterday, I ate a different breakfast today--one of those oatmeal whey protein bars plus two of the little bran crispbreads with some peanut butter and 1/2 an apple, sliced thinly. Very good and so far I am very comfortable four hours later.

I read some good reviews about Geneen Roth's book, Food Women and God. Her weakness, her food addictions, led her on a spiritual path when she stopped avoiding them and confronted them. For me, it isn't the food addictions that have limited my life--it's the stupid illness and the emotional turmoil it can generate if I let it. Yesterday, I decided just to surrender to it, to let myself be weak and see what came up, and it did bring me much closer to G-d and I felt tremendous peace. So I am curious about her path.

I need to move on in school and I will have to take a quiz today, sick or well. I have promised myself that if I pass it, I will buy that book and the Thermos, to motivate myself to study. Then I must finish the reading for Civil Procedure to prepare for Thursday's class.

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Post by groovy1 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:56 pm

Still feeling bad. But yesterday was a SUCCESS, even though my weight went up again ( :x ). So even though I never felt overfull - in fact even though I thought I underate slightly at lunch and dinner, I have still gone up a pound in the last 2 days. But then this seems to happen sometimes. The main thing is that I have not changed my No S habits. I guess when you are a slightly built person who is sick and inactive and on a drug that makes you hungrier, you can be fooled into thinking you are undereating pretty easily.

I repeated yesterday's breakfast because it was so satisfying and I am sure it is under 400 calories - one of the oatmeal/eggwhite/peanut butter/whey protein powder bars with a little bit of coconut on top, and 2 little GG breads, each w. about a teaspoon of peanut butter, and a tangerine. I was really hungry and felt nicely satisfied afterwards, although perhaps that is too much and I should eat only one of the little GGs with some peanut butter. Each of those is only 12 calories, plus the peanut butter should be about 30 calories on each bread and the bars should be about 220 plus the coconut is not very much, maybe 10 calories, plus the tangerine at about 50 max. So maybe tomorrow I will cut out one of the GGs, if I gain again.

Geneen Roth says she found that how she approached food was representative of how she approaches life and has found that to be true of many women. I wish I could say that was true of me, because since starting No S nearly a month ago, my approach to food is enthusiastic and joyful, tempered with discipline, and I wish I could say that is true of my approach to life. But having a devastating and debilitating illness that can strike at any time and make it so difficult to function, and having no control over it, has certainly dampened the enthusiasm with which I use to jump into life. My approach to life has been changed and I am hesitant now to take on anything, lest it become too much and a source of stress that triggers another relapse.

The good news from yesterday is that I got a 100% on my Constitutional Law quiz. The bad news is that I discovered that I am now considerably farther behind than I thought I was. Still I can only do so much. Hopefully at some point this relapse will stop and I will be able to work more hours in a day and catch up. It is still cool and rainy, the kind of weather that is problematic for me.

I am weighing over whether I should switch from the J.D. program, the one which enables the graduate to take the Bar Exam and practice law, to the E.J.D.program my school offers, which is not a bar exam track program. I could take more classes in Health Law, and that might enable me to make better use of combining the veterinary degree with the law degree, and I could slow the pace some, which would be helpful. It's so hard to know whether my health problems would ever enable me to practice law or even to take the Bar Exam. The California Bar Exam is a three-day ordeal with a low passage rate. I might be better off in E.J.D., with the goal of writing about veterinary law, maybe even founding a journal dedicated to the subject, and speaking to veterinarians about law-related subjects. I enjoy public speaking and am reasonably good at it. So I am weighing this - but once the change is made there is no turning back, so I don't want to make any decision while I don't feel well and just need to do my best to focus on the mountain of work in front of me. The decision might make itself if I can't catch up and need more time.

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Post by groovy1 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:18 pm

Well, it's only 11 A.M. and I'm definitely getting hungry. So eating less breakfast is just not going to happen tomorrow. Maybe the old pills really were not up to what they should have been. That's a mixed piece of information, because it holds the promise that these may help me to recover better, but then I have to deal with the hunger. At least I will have Habit, that stalwart buddy, going for me.

Once again, I am posting at this hour because it helps me to remember why I decided to follow No S and not give in and eat now. Because if I do, I will get hungry for dinner too early and now that Jess and Becky are back, eating dinner is a family business and I can't control exactly when. Furthermore, if I eat much before 7, it will screw me up for tomorrow night, when I have class until 7:15 and can't eat until about 7:30. So that is how it is - must hold on until 1.

And hopefully I won't gain any more back. Usually I make speed bumps half way through and 3/4 of the way through my dinner. Yesterday I was so hungry by lunch and dinner that I plowed right through the 1/2 way point at lunch, but at least paused at 3/4, and right through both stops at dinner. Virtually licked the platter.

So making it to Friday is a bit of a challenge. But I see that NoS mug motivating me.

Didn't buy the book or the thermos after all yesterday. Can't just keep buying things. Besides, need to catch up on schoolwork rather than read about food and eating.

What can I use to motivate me through month 2? - will need to think about that. The real bottom line is that there is no alternative. Like Kathleen posted, I am desperate and realize there is no other way. Because I am not going to go back to counting and weighing and planning and fearing every bite, nor am I going to go back to trying to eat intuitively when I know that this drug is making me hungrier than my body would normally be. I suppose I could go back to Sensa if it came to it and combine that with No S - I have month 2, unopened. So I guess if I keep gaining when I am faithfully following No S and doing my best, I will resort to that. But let me see what the scale says in a few days. Can always call and just suspend my Sensa contract for 6 months--they told me that - which locks in a reduced price and just leaves that door open, rather than cancel it when I reach day 30 on Friday.

Meanwhile, I will just drink another cup of tea and wait for the hunger to subside.

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Post by groovy1 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:52 pm

I can't believe it - so close to the end of the month and I had a minor slip-up. With Jess and Becky gone for 8 days, I have eaten every meal alone, so I carefully plated everything out in advance and was very mindful. But Jess was here for lunch. Because I feel so crummy, I made yet another version of that wonderful garlic soup - a very quick creation made by simmering garlic in water with a bit of olive oil, salt and thyme, and then adding a couple handfuls of noodles and some green veggies - today I used zucchini and Nappa cabbage. Then you temper an egg and freshly ground pepper and add it, then a bit of chopped parsley, and top it off with freshly grated Parmesan. Very warming and actually pretty light, since there's only a teaspoon of oil per person and a little bit of cheese and about 1/2 cup apiece of noodles, and I am still using the same package of low carb lemon-pepper fettucine which is still half full after four servings of soup. Anyway, we were talking and I drank my first bowl of soup and I wanted more and finished it off - maybe a cup more, and then we split a can of turkey chili with a little bit of mozzarella and some freshly made very light guacamole (because I added no fat to the avocado) and some salsa.

Only later, as I am sitting here quite a bit too full, did I realize I broke an S - I had seconds. Also, strictly speaking, although I had planned to eat the chili and put it in the same bowl, it was not all plated out in advance. It came close to virtual plating, though, and would have been OK - all together about 2 cups worth of clear broth soup + 1 cup of chili, except that I had SECONDS. So either I won't get my virtual gold medal or I will have to count this as an NWS day. But I don't want to do that in reality, because I ate too much at lunch and don't want to play any mental game of thinking that because I had seconds of a light soup now I can have sweets and seconds at dinner of who knows what else.

So it's just a minor slip-up. Have to read the rules - maybe I can still get a gold medal if I don't blow it again. Otherwise, I'm still in the running for silver. And my mug. One accidental slip-up does not disqualify me for the mug by my rules.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:31 am

Well, I don't know what to call yesterday. On the HabitCal, I rated it a success, because I didn't think that one little slip-up should make it a red failure. But I did accidentally have seconds on soup yesterday. So I guess I'd call it a qualified success.

My weight was up slightly again, but I'm not worried and am almost certain I will be back down tomorrow - only up to 116, so that's fine and I look fine.

Greater concern actually is that I am still sick. What an awful month in terms of illness - it would be easy to blame NoS, because I was OK pretty much for 7 months, but I was already relapsing before I started on NoS, and I have improved while on it, only to sink down now even worse than before. I actually don't feel well enough to go to class - :( - and that's very bad for me.

Did get into CivPro (Civil procedure) last night again - love that class and Real Property. Not as keen on Constitutional Law because it is so abstract that sometimes it feels to me like trying to grasp a handful of jello, even though I did amazingly well on the last quiz. Just good luck I think. And as for the last class, Criminal Procedure, I don't care much for our professor and it occupies so much less time that it doesn't particularly register for me, although I try to keep up with it.

But Civ Pro and Real Property I love because the Justices are wrestling with tangible issues. Just wish I felt well enough to go to CivPro class tonight, because I put a lot of time into the cases. Maybe I'll go just for the first part. The advantage of going to school online...

One more day's worth - dinner tonight through to dinner tomorrow, and I'll have completed my 30 days, can put the Sensa on hold or cancel it, can buy my mug to celebrate and can post on the personal Mt. Olympus.

Just a comment to me - had a very simple breakfast - 2 eggs w. salsa, a Mestemacher rye w. a tiny bit of butter and 1/2 grapefruit. Probably about 350 calories and very, very satisfying. Didn't even think about lunch until 11:30 and easily made it past 1. For lunch - another piece of Mestemacher toast and 2 little GG breads, tuna salad (water-packed tuna, chopped Kalamata olives, celery, bit of mayo and plenty of lemon and freshly ground pepper and some chipotle chile powder) rolled in lettuce leaves, and hot cole slaw (shredded cabbage, slivered red and yellow bell peppers and jalapenos w. some cumin seeds and Walden Farms honey dijon dressing). Again - simple but filling. Probably about 450 cal. So want to keep dinner down around 500 to 550 max bcs I am so ill I am hardly moving. Seems that I gained weight most of the week on probably about 1500 calories a day just because I was so inactive. I sure hope I get better soon. I always do -sometimes I have to stop reading law though first. And sometimes it takes a very long time. This has been very up and down for the past 6 weeks - more down than up, though, and the last week has been very bad.

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Post by groovy1 » Sun May 02, 2010 9:50 pm

Today is day 32 of No S. I weighed 116.6 lbs this am, so I am up a bit after my 2 S dinners, but expect to drop overnight or by later in the week anyway.

I decided to make one last ditch effort to eat oatmeal that would live up to the promise I keep reading about how filling it is. I cooked my Bob's Red Mill steel cut oats for the shortest period of time they suggest, 10 minutes, which left them chewy in a very pleasant way, although I think I could have cooked them for a shorter period of time. I followed in large part a recipe from the Food Network that many had recommended - so I toasted them first in a small amount of butter, and then added 2/3 of the recommended water, and then after 5 minutes I added a mix of Lactaid milk, which was the only regular milk we had, and buttermilk. After 10 minutes, the oats were chewy but it was still pretty soupy, but then I refrigerated them and let them sit until lunchtime, and then soaked up all the liquid. Then I ground/chopped up some almonds in a coffee grinder and heated them up with some mixed berries and added the oatmeal and heated that up, then cooled it down a bit with some yogurt and added some freshly ground flax seed last, since it loses much of its nutritional benefit if it's heated. I also added some spices - freshly ground lemongrass, peppercorns and ginger and cinnamon. I ate that with a generous serving of cooked kale, zucchini and broccoli w a little bit of cheese. I also ate one of the little high fiber GG bran breads, to be sure I got loads of fiber. If this doesn't keep me full for a good 5 hours, then I will give up on oatmeal and just use it for waffles, pancakes and scones. It tasted fantastic - this oatmeal is naturally sweet, and the Lactaid milk is sweet, so I needed no additional sweetener.

This is all part of the attempt to find my Intelligent Default lunch. After much trial and error, I have settled on an Intelligent Default breakfast - 2 eggs cooked any style, although I usually just fry/steam them, with salsa and toasted Mestemacher w. a bit of butter and marmalade and a small piece of fruit. I can vary it by varying how I cook the eggs or adding a bit of cheese or veggies to the eggs or substituting a whole wheat tortilla or Ezekiel English muffin for the Mestemacher or varying the jam, but just as is I find it to be extremely quick both to make and to clean up, it tastes wonderful, is very warming, and keeps me well for 5 or 6 hours. I had 1/2 a small orange and a few strawberries this morning, but could eat a tangerine or 1/2 an apple or grapefruit - I take it off the "fruit shrine" on the dining room table. I like not having to think about it.

So for lunch, I try to eat oily fish three times a week, usually canned tuna, herring or sardines, although sometimes we have leftover salmon and I suppose I could always open a can of that. But after reading Food Rules and In Defense of Food, I am looking for vegetarian alternatives for the other days that are equally easy and satisfying. I always eat either a salad, or reheat leftover veggies, or heat up some frozen ones, or eat cole slaw hot or cold or just some individual cut up vegetables. There's always canned beans in one form or another - chili, or homemade hummus, or cooked Mexican style and eaten with veggies and cheese and salsa and fresh cilantro in a tortilla. But Reinhard's description of his standard oatmeal lunch is very appealing to me. I just haven't found the Wessex Porridge oats except online, where you need to invest in major numbers of packages. But if this works with the Bob's Red Mill, maybe I'll try his porridge oats since they probably are fairly similar to my parboiled steel cut oats and less work - you just put it all in a bowl and add boiling water and wait a bit.

I used to eat lunch out when I worked as a veterinarian. Then one night I was moved by Sally Struthers' ad for Save the Children. So I decided to sponsor a child. I was a divorced mom at that time with 2 kids and didn't have extra money, so I thought I'd save on money by bringing my lunches. I wound up eating the same thing nearly every day - natural peanut butter on Orowheat winter wheat bread with carrots and an apple. I never got tired of it and it kept me full. Quick to make, no cleanup per se, filling, cheap and healthy. So I could go back to that. But I like the idea of eating whole grains, and a bit less carb and more protein, and since my last relapse anyway, I really crave something warm at every meal. So this isn't materially different - even though peanuts are a legume and not a tree-nut, they're very similar in their biological makeup. Could always sub peanut butter for the nuts in the recipe, or vary them in any other way or use sesame or sunflower or pumpkin seeds, or a mixture, and maybe with all that oatmeal and flax seed, I don't need to add the GG. Just wanted to fire on all the cannons today.

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Post by groovy1 » Thu May 06, 2010 3:37 am

Today is day 35. And so far it has been a SUCCESS. I haven't strayed from No S since I last reported, but I did gain a couple of pounds. The oatmeal I made - the Bob's Red Mill Steel Cut toasted in a bit of butter and cooked in water, milk and buttermilk, and then I added chopped almonds, blueberries, more buttermilk, some freshly ground spices, flax seed and let a GG bran bread fall apart in it - was wonderful and warming and filling and sticking to ribs --very cool except that I think I ate too much of it.

I tried something different for lunch that I came up with, a mixture of chocolate whey powder (which I am swimming in right now because I signed up for subscribe with Amazon because the price was so great, but then I stopped eating the shakes for breakfast so I have like a lifetime supply to go through before it expires in about a year and a half), natural peanut butter, buttermilk and a touch of Walden Farms caramel dip. Doesn't sound that great, I know - but I dissolved the peanut butter in hot buttermilk, then blended in the whey powder and used a bit of the caramel and let it sit in the fridge overnight and it was fantastic - rich and creamy and reminded me of Nutella, which is a chocolate hazelnut confection. Loaded with protein and healthy fat. So I used some of that on a sprouted wheat English muffin and a couple of GG breads and had some NF cottage cheese mixed w Chobani NF yogurt, also creamy and very nice and some warm cole slaw. It was great. I meant to add a thinly sliced apple, but forgot and didn't need it. That turned out to be a very satisfying, cheap, healthy lunch and I think it undid some of the damage from eating too much oatmeal. But I'll make the oatmeal again and just eat less of it. Both are meeting my criteria for Intelligent Default meals --quick, cheap, and most importantly -healthy, tasty and filling.

I'm finally feeling better. Hope it holds this time. Finally felt well enough to take Petey to the park again.

No S is great, but I have to be careful not to eat too much at my meals. Hopefully it will be easier once I get myself up to par with my exercise again. After a bad bout like that - I was more sick than well for 2 months!! - I have to build up slowly, although I was able to get out and walk at least some at least most of the days. Next step is using climber and my "resistance chair" - basically a chair fitted out with cables to work mostly the upper body and then working back up to regular shovelgloving or Jillian Michaels and running. I love the "No More Trouble Zones" workout but it does take an hour, and, unfortunately, catching up in law school has to be my priority.

I did both a quiz and an essay today. I felt very confident going into the essay and totally blew it. Hopefully it won't hurt too much. Usually they drop the lowest score if you complete all the work. Have to think of all exams as practice for the Bar Exam and I surely hope I don't make the same mistake again --unfortunately, even though I only got one thing wrong, the entire essay was based on that one thing. Can't say more for reasons of confidentiality, but AAAAAAAAA.

Thanks - needed to scream.

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Post by groovy1 » Sat May 08, 2010 7:48 pm

Yesterday was an N day up to dinner, and then an S. It was the closest I've come to disaster and indeed I am up to 119.8 pounds, but I don't feel guilty or ashamed because I never actually ate too much. I know it's weird, but that's drugs.

I have had terrible fibromyalgia pain all winter this year. Even though I have had CFS for nearly 40 years, I have never had pain like this before, and the only thing that relieves it is Lyrica, although I use it sparingly.

I have been feeling a lot better, so much so that I used the resistance chair on Thursday for a 30 minute workout and walked, too, and Wednesday I did my 3.2 mile walk, and both seemed to be OK, so yesterday I was up for my first run in over a month, and I ran about 2 1/2 miles, my easiest running route, although it is not level. I felt fine afterwards -- in fact, I had to go to the post office and bank about 2/3 mile away and I hate to drive such a short distance, so I walked. But as happens with my illness, I started to feel bad later - really bad. I took 2 Aleve and got no relief after an hour, so I took a 75 mg Lyrica, a higher dose although still in the low end.

Well--I also had a strangely prophetic accident. My No S mug came, and I was struggling to get the tape off the bubble wrap and it fell about an inch or two onto the counter, but that was enough to break off the handle. I repaired it, but I think it will be a pencil holder and not a mug. When the fibromyalgia is bad, my hands feel like I am wearing thick gloves and I just don't have the same kind of finger control. Rough when I am trying to key in hours of lecture on the computer.

Anyway, it was Friday night, so we had a little wine with dinner. I ate what was on my plate, and I was still hungry, and since it is an S day for me, I got seconds. Then for dessert, I had a split half banana and a very small amount of ice cream -- still hungry. So I had some more ice cream and heated up some cashews. Still hungry so I ate some chocolate and some more cashews. About this point it was beginning to dawn on me that there was something going on and I stopped.

I Googled Lyrica and sure enough it causes weight gain - about 7 to 8 pounds on average, but add that to the 50 pound gain some people get on Remeron and it was clear what was happening.

I wasn't that hungry, just didn't get that subtle click of satisfaction, but I didn't eat anything else and today the scale was up over 3 pounds.
I'm sure some of that will fall away, but I learned my lesson not to mix wine with Lyrica and Remeron! Also, it means that if I have to take the Lyrica, I just need to be careful not to eat more than I plate out or plan out even on an S day. I can always go back to Sensa if I need to--that's my ace in the hole, but I so prefer just No S ing.

In the past, I might have kept eating, but I didn't want to get uncomfortable, and I never did, despite the weight gain. I think it is a combo of Eat What You Love and No S, but it's working!

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Post by groovy1 » Mon May 10, 2010 6:41 pm

Well, I felt so triumphant on Saturday morning despite the weight gain of three pounds. I had faced what I have come to call The Beast --that insatiable ravenous uncontrollable hunger that comes over me sometimes since I started taking Remeron--and faced it down more or less successfully. And the weekend was all S days until Sunday afternoon, so I did not break NoS, ironically enough, given that I gave myself only a silver medal for getting one 150 calorie snack and one accidental second helping on a clear broth, but Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon was an unmitigated DISASTER despite the fact that technically it was S days and OK. Reinhard does say some S days will be blowouts, at least at first, but I had successfully navigated 5 weekends, so what went so wrong?

So I was triumphant Saturday morning - ate my usual N-day breakfast even though it was an S day because I had eaten so much the night before and wanted to get back on track. For lunch, we had small helpings of some delicious trout Jess had made, and a reasonable serving of fettucine in a milky sauce with asparagus, also very good, and some plain veggies, also fine, but afterwards I was still hungry, so I ate some chicken that was left over. That left too little in the container for another meal - the fact that I wanted to eat it for that reason should have been a clue, but it didn't stop me, and down it went. Then the Beast hit again, big time, and unlike I have experienced it for some time. And this time I got desperate --hunger so intense it was painful--and I wanted something, anything, to quench it. I did not crave sweets or treats --I was genuinely HUNGRY and I wanted anything substantial. This is like steroid-induced hunger - central, meaning that it is something in the brain that has gone haywire, and reflecting on it would make you realize that nothing would ever satisfy it, and, indeed, eating more only fans the flames. I ate my homemade peanut butter whey powder spread on sprouted wheat English muffin. No effect. Then I went for the door stops - the Trader Joe's bran muffins -- no effect. I wound up eating Muesli and full fat milk - to no effect - and then just the Muesli out of the package. Eventually, the hunger started to diminish.

About then, an hour after I'd stopped eating, it was dinner time, and I thought I'd better eat a reasonable dinner so I didn't get too hungry later - so I ate a reasonable portion of lamb chop, some watery veggies J had made, and a reasonable serving of brown rice. I started to feel very uncomfortable, so I went downstairs to lie down, and my abdomen started to expand. All that bran I had eaten had finally taken effect - and my belly became rock hard and painfully distended. In fact, my gut was so distended that it was pressing on the vena cava and I had what is called a "vaso-vagal response" and I just about went into shock. Frightened, I called Jess, who is a physician, to come down and take a look at me. She wanted me to go to the emergency room because I was pale, cold, clammy and had a thready pulse, but she confirmed that the swelling was actually mostly gas. This came as a huge relief to me, because I was afraid it was bran and fluid. Gas goes away. I took some Gas X, and turned off the lecture I had been trying in vain to transcribe, and just sat and watched TV for a few hours and it did go down and I was able to go to sleep.

Sunday morning, after all that, one would think food would be the last thing on my mind. But something bizarre happened. I felt cheated. I had endured agony from overeating, and never got anything that felt like a treat. None of my biggies - ice cream, pastry, and really good chocolate. Laughing at myself, I made a slightly smaller than usual breakfast. I wanted a morning bun from the French bakery about a mile away. (looked it up - is 2/3 of a mile) I made some oatmeal for lunch, because the steel cut oats slowly soak up more of the cooking liquid if I let them sit in the fridge for a few hours and then heat them up at lunchtime.

By now I had been craving the morning bun for about an hour, and the cravings were worse. So, being that it was an S day, I walked down to the bakery in the pouring rain. When I was there, the mini-eclair looked so delicious, I bought one of those, too. I made a cup of tea when I got back home and slowly ate both. The eclair, I must say, looked better than it tasted. The whipped cream had virtually no flavor, the chocolate frosting was good, and the cream puff dough was salty and eggy and exactly like it should have been, but no big whoop. The morning bun, which is a croissant filled with caramelized sugar and maybe a few walnuts, was even better than I had hoped--buttery, not too sweet, but sweet enough, lighter than air and exquisite.

Having decided that was it for the morning, I ate nothing else and got to work on my homework. We had oatmeal for lunch - the steel cut oats with plenty of buttermilk and chopped walnuts and berries and ground flaxseed and spices and I stuck a couple of bran breads in there to dissolve and make it even more filling. After lunch, Jess was sort of licking her bowl and I was not full. I know--that's just plain weird, but I wasn't. I wound up hitting the chocolate and ate 1/2 of my favorite chocolate bar - the Ritter hazelnut milk chocolate, and some squares of a really good dark chocolate and espresso beans. Then I tried to get back to work, transcribing this class I had missed which was an inexpressibly tedious job, since the speaker kept mumbling and speeding through his written notes, and the class was so long, an hour and a half, that my little device, which was designed to allow one to rewind through a typical song, maybe 5 minutes max? - made it so that to hear a word again one had to listen to minute or two repeated, by which point it was easy to forget when you got the word again was it was. What a drag! Meanwhile, having just finished lunch, a little voice said - you know, it's still an S day...and you had no ice cream...So I walked down to the ice cream store and got a double cone. And ate it all before I even made it back home - that is maybe 1/3 mile away, so I didn't rush the eating.

Then I had just a wee bit more of the chocolate, and declared the S weekend over. I ate no more until dinner. Because it was Mother's Day, we went out and I suggested a nearby Japanese restaurant. I walked while Jess and Becky took the car, so I got in another good mile and a half, so I did walk about four miles yesterday. I carefully plated out my Sushi and my noodle soup and followed vanilla NoS. I had one taste of Becky's wonderful ice cream, and no more, and walked home and ate nothing else.

So it's odd - because I did use some kind of restraint. Hey - I ate 2 half bars of chocolate and stuck the other halves back into the freezer until the next S day. I didn't touch the ice cream cartons in the house. But for 11 years, I ate virtually no chocolate or pastry and while I always loved ice cream, the cartons in the freezer would dry up and have to be thrown out. So how to handle the Beast, and the aftermath of the Beast?

It seems to me there is only one way, because eating in response to it makes it worse. That means that when that hunger hits --and it usually hits irrationally after a meal when one would expect to be full --you can't eat anything at all. Yesterday morning, when I wanted more but knew I had already eaten too much , I chewed on some sugarfree gum and, while ordinarily it holds no appeal for me, it really did seem to help. So I will just have to chew sugarless gum instead of eating.

But how to handle the psychological impact of having to not eat on an S day? Seems to me that it warrants planning another replacement S day. I know Reinhard has warned of the danger of trading days, because that could become an excuse, but it seems safe to me if they are traded in one direction only. So just like an N day could become an NWS day, planned appropriately in advance, an S day when the beast strikes has to instantly become an N day - the opposite of an NWS, a WN day. And the day after the beast has to also be an N day, a WN day if that's how it falls. That mean one is entitled to 2 NWS days, to be planned in advance. I know very well that there are rewards other than food. I have been doing that trying to get myself to catch up at school and get through tedious assignments. In fact, I had earned my NoS mug by following No S for 30 days straight, and a pair of red shoes and a cute little cropped red sweater by getting through the lecture from H*** just last week, although I have not received the last 2 yet. However, I have learned that I need my S days and my morning buns, and I think the way to get them is just to have them on days when I am normal and not in the throes of whatever drug/hormonal response triggers the Beast. I am well post menopause, so I don't know what may be triggering it except for the prescription drugs that I must take in order to function. But I do know that the way to manage it is to resist feeding the Beast. And I will fail sometimes, like last weekend, and that is just the way it is. But I can learn from last weekend and plan ahead.

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Post by groovy1 » Tue May 11, 2010 10:12 pm

Yesterday was a success and day 40 of No S.

I weighed 119.8 pounds this morning, so I am still up considerably from last week as a result of the weekend's overindulgence - a good 3 to 4 pounds.

I am still stunned about what happened, and still trying to process it.

It is as if I felt compelled to reward myself for all the goodies I had not eaten during my 36 days of NoS. Where did that come from? Is that a legitimate impulse? Should I undereat during all the No S days to allow myself an eating spree over the S days? Or is it just old-fashioned gluttony? Wanting to eat because it's a cheap and easy way to bring pleasure to myself despite the fact that it undoes so much hard work - is that OK?

I don't know.

I think there is no harm in having some ice cream now and then or a morning bun once every weekend for that matter, but I think the number of treats has to be limited and balanced. Maybe I overdid the strictness again. I wasn't starving myself, but I allowed myself very few treats over the first month of NoS. Maybe I need to eat one treat a day on the 2 S days of the week--something special and planned but free to change at the last minute, something to be savored and enjoyed. I had a friend who was effortlessly thin who would just sometimes eat dessert for dinner- pie and ice cream or a sundae. How I envied that she could do that, because if I tried something like that, it wouldn't work for me. I would eat the dessert but miss my dinner. But maybe I should do that once every weekend - set aside one meal for pure indulgence - an ice cream split with whipped cream and chocolate sauce and nuts or a Belgian waffle with berries and whipped cream or a morning bun and some drink from Starbucks. Once a week, a meal of pure pleasure, which for me means sweets and butterfat.

And the other possibility is to split up the S days, which is how I used to do it before No S, to have one or 2 cheat days a week, but never back to back, because it was easier to recover that way and I don't usually overdo it as badly on the first day. I kept NoS vanilla because I wanted to see how it went for the first month, and it was hard at first, very hard, but then it was OK.

Maybe what happened last weekend was pure drugs. After all, nothing like that happened to me for 11 years, until last fall. It didn't even happen at first on Remeron, because I continued to eat normally until I got on a scale and realized that, after 11 years of weighing virtually the same thing every time, I had gained 9 pounds in a month, and I got frightened and started dieting.

Tomorrow is the last day of 6 weeks on NoS, and maybe I’ll make it an NWS day and I’ll have a treat for lunch that is something I would not usually allow myself to eat. Then I’ll follow my usual plan, except I’ll only allow one day’s worth of No S on the weekend – Friday night through Saturday lunch. Worst thing is that I’ll miss my Saturday night S day and take it, too, and I’ll have had an extra S day – I think we have decided up to two is OK. And I am only planning one meal of indulgence.

Because what happened on Friday night – some extra cashews and ice cream, that is OK. But Saturday, when the Beast struck and I wound up stuffing myself until I was in agony, that is really sick, although like I said, it felt like a steroid-induced hunger, not at all like emotional eating. And then Sunday, well, I didn’t make myself sick or anything, but I know in my head that a morning bun and a mini-eclair, and 2 half chocolate bars and a double-scoop waffle cone is just too much to eat. This is embarrassing even to list.

So it sounds like I am rewarding myself for gluttony, but I’m really not trying to do that. I’m trying to satisfy all of me, the child that wants her treats as well as the adult that knows what is OK.

But maybe one meal a week just for me of pure child-like fun is a good thing. Maybe I'll pick up some cream and toast some nuts and make an ice cream sundae, or maybe I'll just take myself out for one.

The worst that can happen is that I’ll realize it was a mistake. There will be no crazy eating afterwards, because I won’t let it happen.

Sherry

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Post by NoSRocks » Tue May 11, 2010 11:04 pm

Hi groovy1!

Just popped in to say how much I am enjoying reading your posts. Very inspirational and not to mention very honest. However, so sorry to hear about your health challenges, hon. Hope you are on the mend soon and your body settles down to the medication.

I too am 5'7" and post menopause. I also weigh a lot more than you do. I put my weight gain down to being post menopausal plus I have a tendency toward hypothyroid.... not to mention I have a fondness for sweet foods and not getting enough exercise ! :oops:

I've been doing No S since mid December last year. I find it a great way of eating and I feel so much more relaxed around food, after having problems with bingeing and dieting for most of my adolescent/adult life!

Finishing off here since DH has just come home and I have to go prepare dinner however just wanted to say a big welcome to No S and thanks so much for your very enlightening and insightful posts!!

Take care, Roxy x
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Post by groovy1 » Wed May 12, 2010 10:35 pm

Today is day 42 of No S. Yesterday was a SUCCESS. Today I decided to try an experiment, my first NWS day.

I'm down a bit from my high weight over the weekend, at 118.8, but that's still up a couple of pounds from my usual weight, and about 4 pounds heavier than I'd like to be. Still, at 5'7 with a small frame, I look fine and all my clothes still fit and if you didn't know I was struggling with this, you'd never guess and think I was just naturally thin, or at least, naturally normal weight.

I did a couple of different things. For one, I went back on a tiny dose of Trazadone, the drug that, when I was taking three times this dose, seemed to cause me to lose my appetite and allowed me to eat whatever I wanted without gaining weight. The catch to it was that it seemed to mess up my blood pressure so that I was unable to recover from exercise - that is, it exacerbated the exercise intolerance that is a distinguishing feature of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, or at least it appeared to, and it made me very ill indeed when I went up a lot higher on the dose--long story having to do - no surprise here I'm sure - with yet another drug interaction. The other catch was that if I did overeat, I got royally sick. But I had been resistant after all that to taking the tiny dose recommended by a specialist to help with sleep, and I decided just to try it because I've been very tired and don't want to relapse and don't want to have to cut back on exercise again now that I'm finally able to exercise regularly again, even if I'm not quite up to the same level of intensity.

So that was the first thing. Don't know if it made any difference, but all of these drugs, especially in tiny dosages, take weeks to take full effect so I'll have to see.

Then I followed through on the plan to have a pure indulgence for lunch. Past experience has taught me that I cannot tolerate sweets on an empty stomach, so I first made a whey protein shake with celery and carrots and some lecithin granules - intensely healthy, virtually pure protein, very low in calories, but something to stabilize my blood sugar. Then I created a very special dessert - basically a brownie sundae - with some very small pieces of plain chocolate cake, then 3 small scoops of veryy good ice cream, 2 coffee and 1 chocolate, then a little bit, maybe 2 tablespoons max of whipped heavy cream, then a generous glop or two of homemade hot fudge sauce, and toasted chopped almonds. To say it was orgasmic would not be an understatement. Wowie zowie - very very good, especially the combination of chocolate cake, a bit of whipped cream, the fudge sauce, the coffee ice cream, and the almonds. At the end, I had about a teaspoon or two of chocolate ice cream left, and it wasn't nearly as good, and I contemplated not finishing it, but not for very long and I did eat the ice cream, but I did not lick out the bowl. However, when I was decanting the fudge sauce into a jar to freeze it, not all of it fit, and I confess I had another little taste before I solved the problem by putting a couple of tablespoons worth in a spice jar.

The idea is to celebrate how wonderful food is in all of its dimensions. Because I have a tendency to think like in an unforgettable Roz Chast New Yorker cartoon, with food groups divided into chocolate, candy, healthy, plus a few others, and not to think of food that has little health value but tastes fantastic as food. It seems more like entertainment - like watching a great movie or sex or something other than what it is - nutrients that our bodies have to process into either energy, fat, muscle or other structural components. So I wanted to welcome my favorites back into the circle of what they really are - food. In theory, then, by doing that and satisfying myself without actually overeating, I won't need to overeat and the part of me that is afraid of denial can come down out of the trees and accept reasonable limitation. We'll see how it works as the week plays out.

The plan is to do this with one lunch a week. Then also have a special dinner on Friday nights, which is a religious holiday for me, also enjoying myself thoroughly, but not overdoing it. And in addition - can there be room for more?! - a morning bun for breakfast with cafe au lait - basically just hot milk and coffee, on one weekend morning. And other than that - vanilla no S. No seconds, except maybe on Friday nights, no snacks, no other sweets. And carefully eyeballing my servings to be sure they are reasonable. Sort of what I think of as the "French" approach, although a real French person might be offended by that. But that is how I think French women eat - very good food but not much of it. A truly French person however, might think me a glutton.

The last wrinkle I have added is sugar-free gum. I went through a sugar-free candy phase when I first discovered that Remeron had made me glucose intolerant. I bought a bunch of it on Amazon and at first it was great because I could eat a few pieces and enjoy them guilt-free. But then I went back to school and eating and studying I found myself having more than a few, and experiencing the very unpleasant symptoms of overdoing maltilol, and I stopped eating it. I think I will give the whole box of it away to Jess's clinic for her diabetic patients.

But I discovered on Sunday morning that if I am having some hunger pangs between meals, chewing the sugarless gum seems to help. And as long as I limit myself to no more than 5 to 7 calories worth a half hour, I don't think I will raise my insulin levels and upset my leptin, which my body has been learning to manage very nicely thanks to No S. But it does help.

So listen to all this - a bit of Trazadone to help with sleep and maybe take just the slightest edge off of the Remeron appetite; a sweet treat balanced with protein twice a week plus a nice dinner Friday night, and sugarless gum to help tide me over between meals. Am I rewarding gluttony? I prefer to think of it as deciding to incorporate all of me into No S and being honest with who I am, rather than trying to exclude the part of me that loves sweets until it takes revenge like last weekend. We'll see how it works. Worse that could happen is I'll gain a pound or two. At best, I'll have found a way to maintain a normal weight and still enjoy delicious treats on a reasonable basis.

Also means that Saturday lunches and dinners and Sunday lunches, which I have enjoyed as being No S, are now Ns. So we'll see if I can pull it off. But I think I can.

It's a different philosophy from any diet I've ever read about and I think it fits with No S, although it is a modification, spreading out 3 S meals over a week rather than having 2 S days in a row. It isn't quite like intuitive eating, although it is inspired by it. And it isn't vanilla No S. Maybe I should call it chocolate pastry ice cream NoS!

But it is still definitely No S--reasonable limitations on how much and when I eat with planned leeway so that it can be followed week after week, month after month, until the craziness goes away.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Wed May 12, 2010 11:06 pm

Well - rereading my posts - I have decided to call this variation "chocolate No S". Hoping that founder's zeal will carry me over the rough spots.

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Post by groovy1 » Mon May 17, 2010 4:09 am

Today was day 46 of No S. Yesterday was an N day and a SUCCESS, and so were the 3 days before when I did not post.

So I am trying my modification which I call "chocolate No S." It is regular NoS, except that instead of 5 N days and 2 S days, I have 3 S meals spread out over the week, and all the rest are N meals. Wednesday lunch I had my hot fudge sundae, which I have already posted about. Friday night, I made smaller versions for dessert for the 3 of us plus a friend of Becky and we all loved them, although I don't think they were quite as good as what I had on Wednesday. Because they were for dessert, they were smaller and I did not use the chocolate cake.

I explained all about chocolate No S to Jess and she went out this morning to the bakery to try to surprise me. I ran down there and caught her in time, explaining that the whole point of chocolate No S is that 3 times a week I get to have whatever I want - not to excess, but otherwise a pure indulgence, so if she picked out something that appealed to her, that most likely would not be what I would want. That turned out to be true, because she would have bought me 2 sweet morning buns, which are croissants with a small filling of caramelized sugar, but this morning I actually wanted to try the savory morning bun - a small to medium sized croissant with a filling of ham, gruyere, and supposedly onions and something else, although I could not detect them. The ham was just a tiny piece, but it added a great deal of flavor, and the cheese was wonderful and also not too much.

I also bought myself a sweet morning bun, planning on eating half or 3/4 of each. Well, the savory morning bun was so exquisite that I ate the whole thing - not very big, but very satisfying, and I had no room for the other one! I had already cut it in half - so I gave half to Becky, who loved it, and the other half went into the freezer. I also made a kind of latte with the magic bullet and coffee and hot 2% Lactaid milk, and that actually kept me for over 5 hours until lunch. The other part of it, I explained to Jess, was the walk there and back first thing in the morning. I think that mile and a third is part of the whole experience.

My theory is that by incorporating either sweet treats or treats that would be classified as indulgences into my meals, I will be so satisfied that I will be content to eat less at every meal. I read something a few weeks ago that identified me as a Supertaster. Don't know if that's true, but it seems to be - so taste/smell/appearance of food are so important to me. I know I could survive just eating "healthy" foods, but it seems that emotionally I need my treats every few days, and half the fun is looking forward to the next treat. So even though I had been dreaming of the sweet morning bun, it turned out it was the other one that I really wanted this morning. And man oh man, it was fantastic.

For my next treat, I think I will have it for lunch on Tuesday. That leaves kind of a long gap, from Tuesday lunch to Friday dessert, but Wednesday is the lunch I get served at my IACUC meeting. We usually get some kind of sandwich or salad, a bag of chips, a drink, a huge cookie and a tiny usually not very good serving of fruit from Noah's Bagels. The number of calories is astronomical, and I am always amazed watching some of my fellow committee members eating the whole thing. I never eat the chips, because I just don't enjoy them very much and they probably have negative food value. I like the salads best. If we get a bagel sandwich - well, each bagel is something like 300 to 400 calories, then smeared with mayo or cream cheese and some kind of meat or sometimes lox and usually cheese, too. Sometimes I just take the top half off and eat them as open face sandwiches. Otherwise, maybe I will eat half the sandwich. I almost never eat the cookie - they're usually not very good and again, probably about 600 calories each. I don't remember what I did my first 5 years on the job, when I was effortlessly thin, but most of the time we got salads, which I really enjoyed. I made a big deal of thanking the person who selects the food because we got salads the last time. The other thing I enjoy is the lox and cream cheese on the half bagel. Once before No S I ate all of mine - I was in an overeating phase. I didn't get sick, but it wasn't worth it. Any way, it would defeat the whole point of chocolate NoS if I ate for my special treat the somewhat crappy food from Noah's Bagels. I'd rather just eat half of the main dish and the fruit and trade my chips for another pickle and then bring home the cookie to Jess and Becky.

So right now I am planning on making for myself for lunch on Tuesday a version of profiteroles, which are cream puffs with warm chocolate sauce. I will use the last of my hot fudge sauce which is in the freezer and was very wonderful. The dough is standard cream puff dough - haven't made it for many years but I used to make them fairly frequently because it's very easy and just uses eggs, milk, flour and salt, I think - things we usually have on hand. For the filling, I'm going to make a custardy pastry cream, since I don't find whipped cream to have much flavor. So there will be the eggy salty dough, filled with pastry cream, then for a personal touch I will add a layer of very good creamy coffee ice cream, then the top of the cream puff, then a moderate amount of hot fudge. I think this will work better than the usual hot fudge sundae, because the warm sauce melts the ice cream and the whipped cream and you get a delicious soup. I want to be able to see and taste the layers, so the top part of the puff will protect the ice cream. If I want them, I might add some chopped toasted nuts. Will have to see at the time. Then I will freeze the rest of the filled puffs and serve them to us for dessert on Friday night, maybe with a fresh batch of fudge sauce or a more traditional bitter sweet chocolate sauce.

Other than the three S meals, the other modifications are that I get to have tea sweetened with Stevia whenever I want up to dinner time. I was drinking herbal tea as a sweet treat after dinner to keep myself full, but that became a problem because I had to get up 4 or 5 times a night or more to go to the bathroom. So now I don't drink after dinner and I am sleeping better. I am one of those people whose vasopressin doesn't kick in at night like it should - it never has - so I always wake up a bit dehydrated if I don't drink, but I'd rather sleep and just drink a lot of water in the morning.

That means my morning weight might be a bit low, but it also means that my fat to muscle ratio has been skewed in the unflattering direction, because the muscle shrinks a lot more than the fat with the mild kind of dehydration I get. So today I weighed 117.4 pounds, not great, but not terrible, and down considerably from a week ago. Ideally, I would like to weigh between 114 and 116 pounds. But I checked my fat/muscle ratio just before lunch, when I was better hydrated, and I was 23.1 % fat and 30.6 % muscle and those are good numbers for me--not as good as February, but a lot better than they were when I was too sick to exercise. I'm not quite up to the same level of intensity of exercise as before the relapse- walking 3.25 instead of 4.25 miles every other day, and doing the Jillian 30 day shred level one instead of level 2 or 3 - but I'm getting there. Give me another month or 2. Now that the weather is getting warmer, I should be OK for a while. My illness is very seasonal - always dramatically worse in the fall, winter and early spring, better once the rain stops.

The last piece of chocolate NoS is sugarfree gum, which I am letting myself have whenever I want it, up to a max of 10 calories an hour. Some days I don't have any- other days I have had 10 or 12 pieces, but at 2 to 3 calories apiece, that's not very much, and it helps a lot.

One new supplement I have added to my arsenal is lecithin granules. They are supposed to help your memory and your nervous system functioning, and since I have a neurological disease, it made sense to me to try it. I do think it is helping me, plus I like the taste and find it very satisfying - I sprinkle about 2 tsp on each meal. It tastes a bit like a nut butter.

My last thing to report is that I came up with my reward for the next 30 days on NoS. As I have already posted, the handle of my NoS mug broke off when I was unwrapping it, so I have never used it as a mug. But it sits on my nightstand holding my pencils and scissors and other stuff I use when I study - I usually like to study sitting on my bed - and I have it turned so I can see the logo, which is both reassuring and steadying and I think it's helpful. It works much better this way than as a mug, anyway, because the way the logo is oriented, it wouldn't be facing you when you're drinking. I guess they did that so it wouldn't matter if you were right or left handed, but I think it would be better if they put logos on both sides instead of directly across from the handle.

So for my next 30 days, I ordered a set of 9" plates that are supposed to arrive at 62 days - that is, on June 1, although of course I am hoping to get them sooner. I have read this statistic in multiple places that the average dinner plate size at some time in the recent past, the '50's if I recall correctly, was 9 inches. Don't you believe it -- I was born in 1951, and so I grew up eating off of the very same plates my Mom still uses, and they are considerably bigger than 9 inches. I also did some research on my own, checking out plate sizes from 1950's dinnerware sets, and the standard size was 10 inches. Now some of those had rims, so maybe the part you put your food on was 8", like our stoneware plates we have now that are like 11" wide, but have a wide rim. But there was this thing called a luncheon plate that was 9" wide. I suspect it was intended to be served at ladies' luncheons - since men presumably brought food in a lunchbox or lunch pail or went out to eat because they were at work while the ladies were theoretically at home hosting luncheons. So then why buy the plates? Because I do believe Brian Wansink's research because it is impeccable, and the size of the plate does dictate how much we serve ourselves more than we want to think. The whole point of chocolate NoS is that you get better food and tastier food but to compensate you must eat less, and any trick that helps is worth it. I also got a credit from Sears when we bought our stove - a gift from them - so I was able to get the plates from Sears.com without having to pay anything for them. I still love my Retro BIA glazed ceramic food trays because they let me plate out my whole dinner without the strawberries being coated with the juice from the fish, but they are pretty big. I have decided to leave one compartment empty. Still, at the right price, free, it will be fun to see how much one 9" plate worth is. The idea is to eat about 10% less.

The one last modification I have made is to relax just a teensy bit about seconds. That is because sometimes I just don't plate out enough and I am still genuinely hungry. That is not carte blanche to load up the tray for a second round. But tonight at dinner I had 2 very small lamb chops, a few tiny Klamath pearl potatoes and two servings of cooked green veggies and I thought that would be enough. But it really wasn't. Also, as an experiment, I had decided to only use the 8" center of the stoneware plate. So I had one more very, very small lamb chop and a few strawberries. They would have fit on the 9" plate, and certainly on the BIA tray, so in terms of virtual plating, I was still cool.

It will be interesting to see what happens as I continue to follow chocolate NoS and when I get my new plates and when I am able to exercise more. Before I got so very sick for 2 months, I was using the stair climber for 1000 steps in 16 minutes every morning and then doing an hour of intense exercise every afternoon - either running for about 5 miles or doing an hour long Jillian Michaels workout. I had to stop exercising first thing in the morning because I can't tell at that point whether I'm well enough or not and I was triggering relapses. But for the summer, I hope to go back to my stair stepper every morning and then an hour long walk, 4.2 miles, or at least a half hour of intense exercise every afternoon. If time won't let me do that, then I'll at least hopefully move up to the afternoon longer walk and higher intensity exercise. The last time I was doing all that, I did manage to get too thin, but at the cost of being so ravenous all the time that I could not maintain it. I don't want to repeat that and I will settle for whatever weight I can sustain. So I'm a very small bit heavier right now than I'd like to be - maybe 3 pounds --but I'd rather drop it very slowly or not at all if in return I don't have to be hungry except at mealtime. That is the gift of No S.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Mon May 17, 2010 5:40 pm

I'm so happy I just have to take a minute to post even though I really should be studying. Yesterday was a SUCCESS. I wasn't sure how to rate it, since Sunday breakfast, depending on how you count the week, is either my first or my third of the 3 S meals on chocolate NoS. However, I didn't opt for any sweets, nor did I snack, which is just never allowed on my plan except for sugarless gum and tea with stevia, nor did I have any seconds, so I decided to call it an N day. This is mostly very artificial, so I can feel justified in claiming my gold medal or whatever I have earned, at the end of another 30 days. I seem to be the only person using the personal Mt. Olympus, but that works better for me than 21 day intervals, because habits die hard with me.

At any rate, I am down today to 115.8 pounds, the lowest I have been in about 2 weeks. This is despite 2 hot fudge sundaes and a savory morning bun in the past week, so chocolate NoS is working so far.

Until my 9" plates come, I am still using the ceramic trays but leaving one compartment empty (maybe I'll put a bud vase on it) or just filling the middle 8" section of our stoneware plates. I also have Corelle plates with a design around the rim, and the diameter of the innermost ring of the design is 9 inches, but I think that's too much. I also prefer to eat off of stoneware or porcelain, especially if I am heating things up in the microwave, which I do sometimes.

The reason I'm so happy is that when I looked in the mirror this morning, for the first time in a couple of weeks, I looked really good. Now mind you, I am no fitness model and cannot boast of being free of cellulite, or that my thighs look as lean as I was when I was running and thinner, but over all I look a lot better than when I was too thin and my ribs were showing in my upper chest. I probably have a lot more muscle there, too, from all the upper body exercise I've been doing (pushups, chest flyes [don't know how to spell it, but otherwise it sounds like I'm growing bugs], shovelgloving, etc.) So I figure this is the upper range of looking good, and I want to get down maybe one or two pounds more max so I have a little breathing room around that weight. Also, as I posted yesterday, I am probably mildly dehydrated when I first get up in the morning, so I need to be a bit lower than my old weight goal of 115, maybe one pound less. Lower than that I begin to get too thin.

Am looking forward to making profiteroles tomorrow, so I better get back to the books so I have time. Figure it will take an hour, start to finish, plus cooling time.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sat May 22, 2010 11:02 pm

I haven't posted for a while, because I have been up over my eyeballs trying to catch up in school, keep up with my part-time job, manage things at home and get out the next issue of the Advocate.

However, today is day 52 of consecutive No S and I weighed 117.2 pounds this morning, which is OK if not ideal. I am rethinking ideal though and this is just fine, even if I wouldn't mind being a bit slimmer.

I had some doubts about chocolate No S but I think it just might work. The modifications, again, are: 3 S meals a week spread out over the week rather than 2 S days and 5 N days. Sunday morning, though, I don't think will be for sweets but rather for indulgences that are not sweet enough to be a dessert, i.e., I ground up some fresh whole wheat flour to make whole wheat Belgian waffles tomorrow morning, which I will eat with plenty of yogurt and some berries and an egg. So it's a treat and a change from my usual Mestemacher, eggs and fruit, but still on the healthy side.

The big deal about chocolate No S is that once a week I have a dessert for lunch. Last week it was a fancier version of profiteroles, which are basically cream puffs with hot chocolate sauce, filled usually with ice cream. I made classic cream puffs with choux paste and creme patisserie, then inserted into each a little coffee ice cream and raspberry sorbet, put its little cap on, and then added some homemade hot fudge sauce. Very, very good.

I served the same dessert for dessert Friday night, except I ate a smaller portion.

I am thinking this week of having waffles with butter pecan ice cream for my dessert lunch.

The other wrinkles are virtually unlimited stevia-sweetened tea and herb tea and sugarless gum, which does help me to wait between meals and is a sweetish treat while I am grinding the books.

One last wrinkle I came up with this week - the Bite of Least Resistance. This is when it is not an S meal - and mine are one lunch, Friday dinner and Sunday breakfast - but someone serves or brings something that is irresistible. It happens. One Wednesday a month, as I have written about before, I eat at work because being served lunch is a traditional part of our meeting. I have no control over what is brought. I thought about making that lunch my S lunch, except that I really want dessert for lunch and the desserts, which are ample, are usually not that good, usually a semi-stale gigantic cookie which I bring home for Becky. This week, Michelle hit a deli and brought over-dressed salads, gooey sandwiches and these little treats called "Brookies" which I found irresistible - they are a rich brownie on the bottom, a layer of Peanut butter cream, and a cookie on top. In the past, I would have eaten one, but I am strict about No S. On the other hand, completely resisting it I think would have been a disaster. So I took a tiny one - no bigger than 1" by 1/2", and, believe it or not, I ate 2 small bites and left at least half. It broke my heart a bit to throw it out, but I did. The first taste was exquisite, but intensely rich and sweet and 2 bites was all I needed to say I'd had the experience but it would not have been worth it to blow my long run of NoS. Now I don't know how to count this, but I chose to call it a Success and leave it at that.

So the Bite of least Resistance has become part of chocolate NoS. I did the same thing 2 weeks ago with Becky's ice cream, which she really wanted me to try, and her homemade brownies this week. Sometimes we need to take a tiny bite either because it looks so good or, in the case of a 7 year-old, it makes a big difference to tell her how good it is. For me, the key to No S is that it has to be indefinitely sustainable, and these little bites here and there really do help, without blowing the plan.

I had my doubts about chocolate No S because yesterday my weight was up a bit. But I think that is because I ate too much salad at lunch Wednesday - if I only slightly overeat there is a day gap between doing it and seeing it reflected on the scale. But I am down today and I think I'll be further down tomorrow and I look fine, if not as good as before I went back to law school and was exercising 75 minutes a day. I am managing to get in plenty of exercise - I did Level 2 of the 30 day shred twice this week, walked at least an hour every other day, and yesterday did my pushup and abdominal exercises with the stairclimber. Thursday I got a late start and had to come back before class so I jogged about 4 to 4 1/2 miles and this time it was OK. As long as my tolerance for exercise is increasing, I am pleased.

Must go back to books, but I wanted to check in to once again express gratitude for NoS and to report about my variation. If I've done it for a month and continued to lose or maintain my weight, I'll post it on the modification site.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sun May 23, 2010 2:49 am

Just a couple more thoughts for the day.

Don't know what to do about those Wednesday meeting lunches that are out of my control. Could always just bring my own lunch, I suppose, but that seems ungracious. Could make them the S lunch of the week, and that's what I suppose I might do, but I hate to give up my dessert lunch for something of such unpredictable quality. Maybe I'll just do my best to use it as another opportunity to practice an N meal when it is out of my control - probably the best alternative.

The other ongoing problem is what to do about those nights when I have class from 5:45 to 7:15, about 4 times a month. Before no S, I ate a small dinner at 5:15 and a biggish snack after class and I always dropped a bit afterwards in weight and put on some muscle, so that was successful, but it is incompatible with NoS. I am concerned that if I eat at 5:15 I will be too hungry by bedtime, so I have been waiting to eat until after class, and I seem to be too hungry and eat a bit too much. But then that was before the 9" plates, which I just got yesterday. So far, 4 meals, using that size plate does seem to work well, and they have a nice rim so I can set on the rim, but not hanging over the edge, of course, things I want to keep out of whatever sauce is on the plate. So maybe that problem will sort itself out.

And then maybe I can fix the size of the plate in my mind so I can try that at my Bayer lunches and see if that works, although the food is often so greasy and rich that I probably need to take teensy portions.

The 9" plates and the tiny wine glasses I bought for Friday night so I can drink less without feeling deprived remind me of the doll dishes in Betty McDonald's Miss Piggle-Wiggle that she used to pull out for the "Slow Eater - Teeny Bit takers". But, hey, if they work, that's all I care about and so far, I can fill it up if I want and don't seem to be too full, or last night, when I was saving room for dessert, I left much of the plate empty and that worked, too. So if I lose a bit or at least don't gain, I'll be thrilled.

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Post by groovy1 » Fri May 28, 2010 3:37 am

Today is day 58 of NoS. Sorry to not be posting very much. I was surprised to see it's been 5 days. I have continued to follow chocolate NoS without deviating. Wednesday for my dessert lunch I had homemade waffles with Breyer's butter pecan ice cream and homemade strawberry and hot fudge sauce. Very, very good but after one serving with 2 small to medium sized waffles, the ice cream in between, and the sauce over the top waffle, I wasn't satisfied. And this was even though I ate as slowly as possible, and even put the dish into the freezer for about 7 minutes to see if I was getting full before I finished. So, since satisfaction is the whole point, I had a teensy bit more ice cream and the 1/2 of a morning bun that I had been saving in the fridge and that did it. Other than that - straight no S since last post. For S breakfast Sunday morning I had homemade waffles with yogurt and my own strawberry sauce, no sweetener used, on the 9" plates, no snacks or seconds. Sometimes those plates seem to hold a lot - I think it depends on high the food naturally piles itself. Other times like tonight, I was not totally satisfied after I cleaned the plate, but that was that. I have been doing the cooking all week, and both Jess and Becky seem to like it, although it can be time consuming. Tonight, for example, I made fava beans in a dill/yogurt/lemon sauce, pizza totally from scratch with 1/2 homeground whole wheat flour and a Greek salad. I actually not only shelled the favas but peeled each bean - the result was astonishing and now I finally understand why chefs love these little guys, but shelling and peeling the beans took a while. But we got them from the farm, organic and fresh, so we had to eat them.

So on the little plate went a couple of smallish pieces of the pizza margarita, a little pile of beans and some salad and that was that. But when all was said and done, I was satisfied enough, even though I could have eaten double that and I don't think I would have been overfull. But by using these plates and chocolate No S, my weight has dropped back down into the 115-116 range all week. And I have upped the intensity of exercise and am managing OK, even though I am fighting off a cold - back to level 2 of 30 day shred or my pushup/ab ex routine + stairclimber 3x a week, and twice this week so far I ran over 4 miles and all of these routines proved to be challenging but never reached the point of misery, so I am definitely gaining in strength, a great feeling.

After a whole month of chocolate NoS, if it continues to work, I will post it in the mod section.

Next challenge is that we are invited to a barbecue on Sunday by friends who usually make a killer dessert. So I think that will be my S dinner for the week and not this Friday. But to compensate, I will have my S breakfast on Saturday morning instead of Sunday morning, trying to spread out the goodies a bit and work around the different schedule. It will be a good test - if the plan isn't flexible enough, it will need to be tweaked. But I think it will work out just fine -- will just be a bit tough tomorrow night, but that's the only direction I can change things in, putting off an S meal for a day or 2, not moving it forward, under the rules I created.

Now back to the books. Am still trying to catch up and the assignments are huge - over 100 pages of reading a day! But that's law school...

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:36 pm

Days on No S 71
Yesterday I had my S lunch, otherwise followed regular NoS.

So far, chocolate No S has been working great. I actually got almost too thin - have lost quite a lot and dipped down to 114.4., but yesterday was my S lunch and I am back up to 115 lbs. today. Instead of my Wednesday dessert lunch, I really enjoyed a small feast yesterday at Bayer in honor of our triennial AAALAC inspection. AAALAC is a very strict accrediting agency and usually participation is voluntary, except that Bayer Richmond is obligated through its connection to Bayer Berkeley, and Bayer Berkeley is obligated through a special agreement with the City. It went great, but I was there pretty much all day. I felt honored because I was asked to accompany the inspectors on their tour, and I learned a lot doing that. I know big pharma has a bad name and I certainly did not know what to expect when I was hired by the City of Berkeley Humane Commission for this position, but the facility is really state of the art in terms of caring for its research subjects, almost entirely mice with a few rats and an occasional rabbit at this point. The inspection is really detailed and they look at everything, so the commendations Bayer received in many different areas - enrichment for the animals in terms of toys and special food treats, occupational health for the workers at the facility, cleanliness and attention to details of husbandry, etc., really mean a lot and as a member of the committee who has been very active in securing attention to the comforts of the animals, I felt proud to have our good work appreciated.

So far, as I said, chocolate NoS is working so well, and Habit doing its job, that my anxiety about my weight is pretty much gone. Interestingly enough, I felt something shift about 2 weeks ago, even though I hadn't lost yet and was still in the high 116s, and I realized I can pretty much just follow what I've been doing and enjoy my meals and my weight will take care of itself. Whew!

I caught up with my schoolwork, which is great, but I need to get ahead during the summer when I usually feel better so that I can take a couple of weeks off to visit my parents and to take a vacation with my family,, and still be ahead enough that I can afford to get sick in the fall, which seems to happen fairly predictably. Unfortunately, I'm not feeling so great right now. Having a rough week and have had to cut back a bit on the exercise, although I haven't cut it out completely. So tired I went to sleep at 9 last night!

Hope to feel better soon, and then I will post my modifications to the mod site, in hopes others will find them useful.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:33 pm

Today is day 78 of NoS. Yesterday was an S day for me, I guess. With my version of No S, Wednesday lunch is an S meal.

So far, "chocolate" NoS has been working great. If I still feel that way on Monday, making 6 straight weeks of chocolate NoS, I'll post on the modification site.

Yesterday was a real challenge. The way chocolate NoS works, I follow vanilla No S except that instead of 2 weekend S days, I have 3 S meals spread throughout the week - Sunday breakfast, Wednesday lunch and Friday dinner. Sunday breakfast is no S only in the sense that I eat something different from my usual 2 eggs and Mestermacher and fruit - usually waffles and yogurt and a fruit sauce, but I don't make a big deal out of it, although I suppose it's usually more calories. Once I got a savory morning bun from the bakery and it was a real treat - maybe I'll do that this Sunday.

Part of the logic to the system is that I do long runs on Friday and Sunday in the late morning, now that the days are heating up. So I both need some extra calories or, turning it around, I can burn off the extra calories. Wednesday and Saturday I do the one-hour Jillian Michaels "No More Trouble Zones" video, my favorite exercise video. Mondays I either take off if I need the break or I do some fairly intense bodyweight exercise and then use the stairclimber for 1500 steps, trying to do them in under 25 minutes - came in at about 23 1/2 minutes last time. Then on Tuesday and Thursday I do long walks or short runs. If I don't feel well, I have shorter versions of everything that I do.

On Wednesdays, I have my "dessert lunch", meaning I usually drink a bare bones whey protein shake mixed with only water and ice and yesterday I also ate a GG bran cracker with some peanut butter. The rest of the meal is an indulgence for pure pleasure. So I had planned to eat one of my cream puffs that I baked and froze about a month ago with a generous serving of coffee ice cream and homemade hot fudge sauce. The last I checked we had a carton and a half of coffee ice cream, and I have asked Jess to be sure we keep some ice cream in the house. But when I opened the carton, there were about 2 tbsp. left in it. No other ice cream in the house.

Discouraged, I looked for the last piece of my whole wheat unfrosted carrot cake that I had asked her to save for me - almost all gone with just a tiny piece left! So I wound up eating a small cream puff with the little bit of ice cream and some chocolate sauce, but that didn't do it. Then I ate the tiny piece of carrot cake. Still unsatisfied, so I ate the last cream puff. In retrospect, I probably should only have eaten half of it - they're pretty small, though. That left me quite satisfied, although not overfull. However, last night I ordered a small freezer just for me, so I can be sure I have my treats for Wednesday lunch! Also because now that I am doing all the cooking, I like to make double and triple meals and freeze them. Like to keep a good stock of homemade frozen meals for when I am not up to cooking or don't have the time, and we just don't have room in our freezer.

I did the long walk yesterday afternoon instead of Thursday because I felt, another long story not worth telling, that Petie the schnoodle needed more training in staying with me on the walk and that it was important to do it right away. So I'll do Trouble Zones today.

We'll see how this works out on the scale. Today I was 115.6 pounds, a very good weight for me. If my weight drifts back down to about 115 by Monday or Tuesday, I'll know chocolate No S is a big success. Although my weights go up and down a bit with the different eating and exercise on the different days, I have been consistently staying between 114 and 116 pounds without undue effort. That one indulgence meal a week seems to satisfy my sweet tooth, so that I don't feel the need to eat sweets at any other time except that I eat a small dessert with dinner on Friday night if I want it - haven't always wanted it. On the other hand, if I didn't set aside one meal for indulgence, I would never get to eat those things because there isn't room on the plate for them plus my usual meal.

Will let you know how it works out. Sorry for not posting for so long - I guess I posted only on the 21 day site at day 63 and haven't posted since. But I'm still following NoS every day and with every meal and very grateful to have discovered sanity around food again. Between law school and home responsibilities, not much time to post, but I'm still here.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:47 am

I've been doing well in general as far as my No-S diet, although I worried I was getting lax in the seconds department. It's tough, because, to avoid eating seconds, I think I took too much dinner tonight. Maybe I am better off taking less and allowing for seconds that amount to half a plate or less rather than heaping up my plate so as to avoid seconds entirely. I made a wonderful dinner tonight, looked at what I had put on my plate, decided I would probably want seconds, and then went back and took more before I took a bite so as not to break No S. But I haven't been gaining weight - am still about 115 pounds. We'll see if I did any damage tonight, but I think I am going to try taking less and then allowing for seconds if I am still hungry after waiting 5 to 10 minutes. It's just too hard when the food is hot and tasty for me to not eat what is on my plate when I am still hungry, and sometimes it takes a while for the hunger signal to die down. But nothing more than seconds, and I will continue to "virtual plate" in the sense that any seconds I take would have fit on the plate had they been included with the first helping.

Also had a new variation in the Wednesday dessert lunch today. I was experimenting with the Artisan Breads in 5 Minutes a Day book - the second healthy version - and made my first bread from it this morning, a whole wheat flattish loaf crusted with a mixture of seeds. I was eager to have some at lunch, with I ate with some smoked Gouda cheese and from the organic farm carrots. The bread was so good, I did not eat it with butter or cheese or anything else, just by itself. Then some cheese and carrot. Then some more bread. Did not overdo it but enjoyed it immensely. So then I wasn't all that hungry for dessert, but given that this is my main dessert of the week, I had a small helping - maybe 1/3 cup - of Breyer's French vanilla with a tablespoon of my homemade fudge sauce - but cold, so as not to melt the ice cream - topped with some fresh strawberries I had mixed with a little bit of brown sugar earlier in the morning. Wow! One of the best lunches I have ever eaten!

So I didn't blow it at lunch, and I ate less breakfast in anticipation of lunch. But I hope I didn't ruin it by eating too much dinner. Will try new plan tomorrow, which is actually what I had slipped into, but then was questioning because I have been taking some seconds. But maybe that is better. Tomorrow should also be a pretty good dinner and rich, so I really don't want to put too much on the plate.

I am enjoying doing the cooking and am getting good reviews at home, but alas I am slipping behind at school. Seems my brain has been busy figuring out dinners and desserts and the new bread techniques. Need to refocus.

But at least thanks to No S I am eating wonderful healthy meals and really enjoying them!

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:04 am

Today is day 94 of No S. Yesterday was an S day. My weight seems to be very stable at about 115 pounds, give or take a 1/2 pound or so either way.

So far NoS has been a huge success for me. My minor variation of it, Chocolate NoS has worked very well, but I stress that it is only a minor variation of vanilla NoS that better suits my individual schedule and personality. Here is how it is working. Last night, Friday night, is a kind of big deal around my house. Jess makes dinner and I bake challah, the traditional sweetish egg bread, and make dessert - last night we had mini banana splits with homemade fudge sauce, grilled bananas, whipped cream and an imported Italian maraschino cherry apiece with some of the syrup. That dinner is my single S dinner of the week, and the highlight of the week as far as eating goes. I didn't hold back, but I really didn't overeat either. I made a new challah - I have discovered Artisan Breads in 5 minutes a day and Healthy Breads in 5 Minutes a Day and am having a blast making new breads. Last night I made an Italian type of challah with vanilla and lemon rind and anise seeds and honey - very wonderful and almost like cake. I even had seconds on the ice cream and fudge sauce, but they were all actually very small portions compared to the amount of ice cream I used to eat at a sitting prior to NoS - all together I don't think I even had a whole 1/2 cup, and as for the fudge sauce, less than 2 tbsp. But it was very wonderful and I really enjoyed it.

I don't snack at all. I can't speak for others, but my body learns to get hungry at the same time it is fed every day. It took the whole first month to adjust to 3 meals a day, my body is happy with that, I am happy with my body, and I don't do anything to rock the boat.

I don't have S days - just 3 S meals a week. So today was an N day. Because I had such a lovely dinner last night, and will have a special breakfast in the morning, it is easy for me to undereat slightly on Saturdays and actually feels good.

Sunday mornings I have a special treat, although nothing like a dessert. I am planning tomorrow to make cinnamon crescent rolls from the last of my whole wheat dough from the Healthy Breads in 5 book. Should be very good. If not, I'll have French toast or something. I don't waste my S meals, or N meals either, come to think of it, on anything that doesn't taste good. I don't eat that much any more and taste matters a lot to me. Often on Sundays I make whole wheat waffles or something like that. I grind my own white whole wheat flour and I find it very delicious and greatly prefer it to anything made with all white flour.

The rest of Sunday is an N day, but because I had such a nice breakfast, it is easy to keep it reasonable.

Mondays and Tuesdays I tend to undereat slightly to make up for the weekend and in anticipation of Wednesday. I am doing all the cooking these days except for Friday dinners, so I make meals that are healthy and full of veggies and very varied and that helps.

Wednesday lunch is my third S meal and I often just have dessert and a protein shake - some special indulgence. But last week was the first time I tried a bread from the new book and it was so good I had some of that bread and some smoky Gouda cheese and a carrot and then a much smaller dessert. So far, and now I have been doing this for almost 2 months, I don't blow it. I eat until I am satisfied, even if that means seconds and, once, even thirds, and then I stop. It's not that hard, because I really don't want to undo all this work and because I feel so fulfilled in having had what I really wanted. I hope to eat ice cream or another tasty treat every Wednesday lunch for the rest of my days! And if it means undereating a bit on Mondays and Tuesdays and Thursdays and Saturdays and at the other meals on the days of S meals, so I can really enjoy my 3 S meals, I don't mind. It's not at all like dieting, because I am never unduly hungry, never. And I just tell myself - if you stop when you have had enough, you can keep eating like this for as long as you are able to enjoy it - and the bottom line is - it's worth it to me.

And, as Reinhard says, Habit is a powerful tool. I am in the habit now of eating a certain way that is working for me.

I am something of a remedial learner when it comes to this - I have written before that my weight crisis came suddenly and unexpectedly last summer when I started taking a new medication that has made me considerably healthier but is notorious for increasing the appetite - and, having been blissfully unconcerned with my weight for 11 years, I gained 9 pounds the first month I was on the drug, with no end in sight! I tried a lot of other plans, and, from ground zero where I was totally an intuitive eater and actually underweight, the effect of the 12 or 13 plans I tried was that I was becoming a restrictive dieter who was miserably hungry most of the time and would explode periodically and stuff myself to the point of pain. Since starting No S, I had one S weekend of overeating early on, and it hasn't happened for 2 months now. So No S is a minor miracle as far as I am concerned. I wish I could share it with everyone I know who is overweight, but I am respectful of other people's processes and have told no one about it but Jess and the readers of my posts. I would if anybody asked, but the truth is that most people just think I am naturally thin and would not think to ask me. But if anybody did ...I would give them my NoS book and buy another just to have for the next sufferer!

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:03 am

I've lost count of the days - have been on NoS since April 1. I haven't posted for almost 3 weeks - between doing all the cooking, and law school, and my little job, and the law school publication, I've been up to my eyeballs. I also got a nasty inner ear infection, so I was sick with that for a few days, and then got the Chronic Fatigue relapse a week later. I'm better now, but not up to where I was before the ear infection. Every time I relapse, it takes a while to build up my strength again. But as for NoS and chocolate No S -- working very well. My weight has been very stable at between 114 and 116 pounds.

The biggest challenge recently to my weight was a new book - Healthy Breads in 5 minutes a day. Basically this book is about making a very quick moist yeast dough that keeps in the fridge for up to a week and in the freezer for up to 2 weeks, and then shaping it in only a few minutes. The rising and baking aren't counted in the 5 minutes. The breads are just out of this world. I made about 15 of them in the first 2 1/2 weeks after I got the book from 5 different dough recipes. They were all outstanding. I never overdid it in any dramatic way, but I could see my weight inching up just a bit from the 114 end to 116. This week, Jess has been gone for the last four days and will be back very late tomorrow night, so I decided to take advantage of not having to cook for anyone to "squinch" down a bit - meaning I just cut out the breads at lunch and dinner and I seem to be dropping back into the 114 or 115 pound range.

I've been making my own Mestemacher, too, also from the book. It's called "vollkornbrot" in German, which sounds very exotic but just means whole grain bread. I use my home-ground white whole wheat flour with whole wheat berries and rye kernels. Very good and quite a bit less expensive. I'm going to experiment tomorrow and add seeds to the top and maybe put a few inside - caraway, anise, poppy, sesame, flax and sunflower. Also, instead of one 8 1/2 by 4 1/4 loaf like I made last time, I'm going to make little mini-loaves. I found the bread actually keeps very well - these doughs ferment a bit and have a sourdough quality - but I think the mini-loaves might be even better. We'll see. Figure I can freeze a couple and use them one at a time.

From the "master recipe" which is about 1/2 to 2/3 whole wheat (don't remember) I made a seeded boule, pizza crust and cinnamon crescent rolls. From the 100% whole wheat with olive oil, my favorite of the regular doughs, I made an Algerian semi-fried flatbread loaded with spices, an Indian baked paratha stuffed with potatoes, peas and ghee, a seeded boule, a "stuffed sandwich loaf" with chicken, a mixture of cheeses and sauteed vegetables rolled inside and pizza twice. From the anise Italian challah recipe, I made a couple of great challahs plus rolls. And from the chocolate espresso dough, I made a chocolate challah, pinwheel pastries with a filling of cream cheese and jam, and my single favorite of all the recipes - a variation of the chocolate tangerine bars using orange rind, chopped dark chocolate w espress beans, and dried cranberries. They were all wonderful.

I am planning on going back to the bread baking as soon as Jess and Becky return, but just for me I wanted to tone it down this week and just had my home-made vollkornbrot at breakfast and one of the chocolate orange bars with some ice cream for my Wednesday dessert.

The only other change is that the last 2 times on Wednesday I didn't feel like just having dessert. The first time doesn't actually count, maybe, because I was at Bayer and ate the sandwich they provided first because there was no dessert out. They were Quizno's subs and awful - tasted like the lettuce had been sitting in the fridge for weeks - but I was hungry and didn't see any other choice. Then they brought out a chocolate cake so I had a small piece and that was fine. But yesterday, I just felt like having a small normal lunch and a small dessert, which I enjoyed very much. Don't know whether that's a trend or an isolated incident. I think what's happening is that I really enjoy my own cooking, and I love the breads, so there is more attraction to eating real food.

I also found a newish lunch that I just love. With Jess and Becky gone and much studying to do to keep up, I made a huge vegetable medley on Monday - leeks and carrots and celery and broccoli and cabbage, all of which I cooked down without adding much liquid. Very tasty. Then at lunch, I added a drained can of white tuna and some fresh basil and grated Swiss and zapped it for a few minutes. For some reason, I find it very tasty and very satisfying. Could be my intelligent default lunch, at least a few days a week.

The other dish I made that I really like is chili verde sauce with tomatillos that I boil for a few minutes + slightly zapped scallion + a couple of chilis + fresh cilantro and some lime and lemon juice and salt. I chopped it in the processor. Then for dinner, I cut off some of a Safeway roasted chicken and heated it up in the sauce. Very quick and very tasty and low in calories. One Safeway chicken lasted me for 5 dinners that way and I love the sauce so much I never got tired of it.

So that brings this account up to date. Over all, No S is one of the best things to happen to me in a long time. Has made it easy to maintain my weight and I am eating well and enjoying it. It's hard to believe how much I went through before I stumbled upon it and I am very grateful for it. Today is one year to the day since I started the Remeron. Hard to believe for eight months I was miserable and starving and then would have brief horrible binges that were physically and emotionally traumatic and would undo anything accomplished by all the starving. Since I started No S almost 4 months ago, all that is gone and I eat what I want without difficulty, although I stick to the No S rules with only my chocolate modification - 3 S meals a week - Sunday breakfast, Wednesday lunch and Friday dinner - and no snacks and no sweets except for the S meals. Sometimes I have gotten a bit lax about the single plate, especially since I put the chicken and chili verde sauce in a bowl and then put salad and a piece of fruit on the plate, but I don't take seconds. It's worked for me and I hope will work for anyone else reading this.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:51 pm

Days on NoS = 4 mos. + 9 days

After a year on Remeron without gaining too much, I started to get a little complacent and feel I didn't need to watch what I eat so carefully. Then, a little over a week ago, I had the biggest challenge yet to chocolate NoS. I had a really bad relapse and was really sick for a week, too sick to study at all, too sick to work on the Advocate, and on top of it, there were other stressors as well. When I'm really sick, I'm so wasted both physically and mentally that I don't feel much stress. But what always happens as I begin to recover is that the stress of what has been let go while I've been out to lunch really sandbags me and I get miserable. I was doing great weight-wise and maintaining at about 115 pounds, even though I was not well enough to exercise, until I hit the dessert lunch on Wednesday, 12 days ago. I almost didn't have the ice cream. I had a regular small lunch, and then I hesitated, but I told myself I am supposed to have dessert with lunch on Wednesday and bad things would happen if I didn't, so I had some. But I didn't have much, and I wanted more. So I made a little sundae with some ice cream and a banana and chocolate sauce, and a little voice said not to eat it, but it was sitting there all made up so I went for it. Bottom line was that I had more after that and ate too much, and on top of that was still too weak to exercise. But I did not eat to the point of discomfort, just more than I meant to.

Over the rest of the day, I found myself craving sweets in a way I hadn't for months, but I didn't eat any more. I had maybe a bit more dinner than usual, but no more sweets, and I also made it through Thursday with vanilla NoS, despite continuing to crave sweets. I made it through Friday to dinner, but for dessert I ate maybe a bit too much of the chocolate orange bars and pinwheels I had put out and a bit too much ice cream, but not too bad.

Saturdays on chocolate No-S are N days. But by the middle of Saturday afternoon, I was overcome by a craving for sweets and had more ice cream and some chocolate, I think. And Sunday afternoon, I did the same thing.

Now the difference between this binge and the binges that were scaring me so much prior to NoS and once on NoS back in May is that at no time did I eat to the point of being uncomfortable or feeling sick to my stomach. I really think those 5 episodes were drug-related, related to the combination of Remeron and Lyrica, and they haven't happened since I stopped taking Lyrica and added my 1/2 Trazadone at bedtime. So that's better.

Nonetheless, I did put on some extra weight, about 3 to 4 pounds. One trick I finally remembered Sunday night when the stress was so intense I couldn't sleep was the Stresseraser, a little biofeedback device I bought a few years ago that is very effective for me. You put your finger into the slot and follow a specific breathing pattern and you get feedback, and it really works for me to just cut off a stream of internal voice I can't stop. I have had a lot of problems with my ex-husband, and whenever he acts out again, it can throw me into a loop like that. And I just have to let it go in order to deal effectively with him and with the rest of my life. So the Stresseraser helped me to do that. Also support from my friends and family helps a lot.

Then, I came up with a great trick, at least for me. For breakfast, I stick with my wholegrain bread, 2 eggs, and a piece of fruit, which usually comes to about 300 to 350 calories. But for lunch, I drank a protein shake made with just water and ice and a bit of Stevia, and ate raw vegetables and 2 GG bran crackers with some Walden Farms marshmallow dip and apricot jam, not too much because otherwise they are icky sweet. So I fell back onto fake food. But it worked. I did that for a week and am back just below 115 pounds. I also carefully resumed exercising, and am almost back up to where I was, although I haven't felt strong enough to run for a few weeks and have been using the stairclimber instead.

So I have added one more S, to my chocolate NoS - no snacks, sweets or seconds except at S meals when I am not Sick. And I have defined being Sick as being not strong enough to exercise. Because I have a chronic illness and am always up and down, I'm never really not sick to a certain extent, but I can make what the law calls a bright line rule and know that if I am not feeling strong enough to exercise, I need to stay away from sweets. I don't crave them normally, but when I am in that twilight zone between flat out sick and well enough to function like I usually do, eating them triggers insatiable cravings.

And now I know exactly what to do when my weight starts to climb up - I can just fall back onto that simple lunch and nip it back. I would just stick to that, but I don't want to fall much below 115, because every time I do that, I seem to rebound up higher. So I think I will try to stay between 115 and 117 and just keep it there. I know this is very artificial, but I think that left to where it would normally fall, I would carry more weight than I like to, and keeping it here is not bad and all my clothes fit.

I also know that when the voice says that bad things will happen if I don't eat my ice cream at lunch on Wednesday, it's lying. No bad things will happen, except that I will have to wait until Friday night. Also, when the voice tells me that if I eat it I will feel stronger, it's lying - I don't. I enjoy it, but then I don't feel any better afterward. And when the voice tells that it's easy to take off the weight I might gain, it's lying. It's not too bad, but it's not easy. Overeating like that requires a suspension of reality, as if there will be no consequences. But there are consequences.

I also dropped the Advocate. A long story for another time, but I had to cut back somewhere because of being sick so much this summer. But I picked up something else at the same time, another project for the Student Bar Association, that I can manage more easily and that, again, will produce a very useful document. I also did an extra credit project last week for Civil Procedure that I really loved doing. So I don't know what I will wind up doing when I finish law school. I suppose some of that depends on keeping up my health to the point of being able to get through the 3-day California Bar Exam, which is a very questionable proposition for me.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:58 pm

Days on NoS - over 5 months!

It's been a month since my last post and I just wanted to check in. My weight has been very stable at between 115 and 116 pounds.

The blow-out that happened at the beginning of August really scared me, and I ate no sweets at all for a month. Then I had a single bite of chocolate birthday cake with dessert about a week or so ago. I decided to revise chocolate noS a bit, because I do love sweets and don't want to give them up entirely. On the other hand, they don't seem to register with my body as food in the same way "real food" does. They seem sometimes more like entertainment than food, and don't tend to satisfy my appetite, even though they may be more calories than I usually eat.

So I have decided to cut out the dessert lunch. I stopped feeling good about eating it and haven't done so since that episode about 6 weeks ago. It ceased to be worth being hungry before and after it so that I could eat it without gaining weight, and when I gave it up and ate a larger lunch of real food on days I was really hungry, it just worked better.

In general, I don't miss snacks. Occasionally I find myself hungry at bedtime if because of a scheduling problem I need to eat unusually early, but instead of a real snack, I just suck on a piece of sugar-free candy when I go to bed and that seems to be enough. I chew lots of sugar-free gum and that helps, too, and I still drink plenty of tea with Stevia.

The amazing thing is that I have maintained my weight over the last month even though I have been miserably sick much of the month and haven't been able to exercise. So this seems to work:

Basic NoS as outlined almost all the time, except for the Saturday and Sunday S days.

I usually eat a somewhat special breakfast on Sunday mornings, sometimes on Saturdays as well or instead. I make all these wonderful breads with fruit in them that are not sweet enough to be a sweet, but just sweet enough to feel like a treat - banana bread, pear bread, apple bread - very good but with far, far less sugar and fat than the usual versions - all from my "Healthy breads in 5 minutes a day" book. Often I make scrambled eggs with scallions and a little cheese and serve it to the whole family with a fruit salad.

This week, I missed ice cream for the first time and wanted to find a way to incorporate it into NoS that works better for me than the Saturday and Sunday S days. When I did that, I felt more or less obligated to eat chocolate and ice cream and pastry on the S days because I knew I would be without them all week. I want to go back to eating sweets whenever I feel like it except - (1) only for dessert after dinner, because if I eat them at lunchtime, I get too hungry by dinnertime despite the increase in calories, (2) with dinner, in the sense of being within about 15 minutes to a half hour of finishing the main meal, just long enough to feel as full as I will feel from the meal first, (3) not when I am really hungry - if I am really hungry, I'd rather eat real food (4) but when I just want a bite or two more of something sweet (5) and absolutely no seconds. I realized that my firsts of sweets are never the problem - it's the seconds that do me in. I've tried this 3 times in the past week or so and it's worked great. I don't imagine I would eat them more than 3 times a week - on Friday nights, probably, as part of the special dinner we eat then, and maybe once or twice during the rest of the week. Usually I am fine with fruit, but sometimes I want something a bit richer.

For breakfast, my intelligent default breakfast is 2 eggs with a piece of whole grain bread - usually my homemade Vollkornbrot - some salsa, and a small piece of fruit. For lunch, often I just have a lean protein source - often just a whey shake with water and ice - and a salad with low-fat or no-fat dressing or some hot veggies and a couple of bran breads with Walden Farms spreads on them. It's not much, but it will hold me until dinner and it is so few calories - under 250 - that I can eat a nice sized dinner and not gain anything. I like to eat early - around 6 if I can swing it. Sometimes I wind up needing to eat at 5:15 to make class, although I was feeling so lousy two days ago that I didn't get dinner done until 5:45 and had to rush off to class and couldn't eat until 7:15. A few days a week I eat tuna, sardines or herring with my veggies instead of the whey shake. I like to put the tuna in with some frozen veggies that I have cooked and grate some cheese and then warm it in the microwave. Still under 300 calories with my little bran breads and very satisfying.

So that's what I've been doing. Still tweaking "chocolate NoS" although the basic plan hasn't changed - the notion of splitting up the sweets through the week rather than concentrating on the weekends. No snacks at all. Occasionally seconds on dinner foods if I am still hungry - I am beginning to trust my body more now that I have maintained my weight where I like it for 5 months, more or less.

Good luck to any readers - this plan really works for me and has been a lifesaver. Adjust it if vanilla doesn't quite meet your needs - it has plenty of room for minor adjustments while you figure out what works.

Sherry

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Post by groovy1 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:34 pm

Doing my monthly check-in - 6 months on NoS. My weight has remained stable at about 115 pounds.

In the Jewish religion, the days between New Year's and the Day of Atonement, which fell in September this year, are used for solemn reflection and the seeking and giving of forgiveness. For me, one aspect of my life which I decided I had to to let go of is my obsession with my weight. Not that I want to gain anything, I don't and am very happy where I am, but I am feeling guilty about the energy that has gone into that rather than into my studies and, above all, my friends and family. Jess's brother is very ill, and she really needs me to be supportive - not just emotionally, but in terms of increasingly taking over household duties. So I am doing quite a lot right now; although she still does the shopping, I do all of the cooking and all of the household maintenance. My almost 21-year-old daughter is home with us for a few months, a real joy, and she has helped with the cleaning. That still leaves Jess to do most of the care for Becky, who is 8 and a handful, and I really need to do my best to pitch in more.

My studies have been suffering - just can't seem to wrap my brain around the material to the extent that it requires for me to learn it. Sigh.

I also was very ill for several months with the @#(!!@ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which set me back quite a bit.

So I need to free up energy from weight obsession. I have been at my goal weight for almost the whole 6 months, so I think I can relax a bit more, but to make it easier, I made a few changes.

I have added some supplements over the past month or two that have helped a lot with the CFS and the body aches, but they have significant calories - fish oil and olive leaf complex, so I had to adjust the Intelligent Default Meals.

Current plan is that for breakfast, in addition to about 100 calories all together of fish oil and olive leaf, I have a whey shake with an egg in it and a couple of the bran crispbreads with some coconut oil. Seems to hold me OK - not quite as satisfying as the old breakfast, but over 100 calories less. I blend the egg with boiling water so it cooks a little, just for protection against Salmonella, and that cools the water so I can add my Solgar Whey to Go and a little Stevia without curdling the whey. Tastes great and is very healthy - no artificial anything, including no artificial sweetners.

For lunch, I have salad or a mix I make of raw carrots, cabbage and broccoli that keeps for a good week or some frozen veggies + some lean
protein and a couple more bran crispbreads w. a little raw almond butter and either some type of bread or a piece of fruit.

Still making all my own breads and doughs. I enjoy doing it and everyone loves them. Still grinding all my own whole grain flour - I can do a month or two's worth in an hour or so.

Then for dinner I eat whatever I want.

As far as NoS, I'm pretty much vanilla, except that I don't use Saturday and Sunday as S days. At this point, I just don't snack. In the past 6 months, I have had 2 snacks because I was really starving - one during the first week, and one on the Day of Atonement because I was trying to both fast and study and was just miserable. But those 2 snacks were the only exceptions to the No Snacks rule. I give myself permission to have a small glass of milk or a couple of bran guys or a piece of fruit or vegetable if I really need it, but I make it to the next meal with some Stevia-sweetened tea or sugarless gum. After dinner, I am usually not hungry, but sometimes I get a little hungry towards bedtime, and if so, I have a piece or 2 or 3 of sugar-free candy - all in all less than 25 calories and that does the trick without triggering an insulin response.

I have relaxed a bit about no seconds. I usually don't have any at breakfast or lunch, but if I am still hungry after dinner, I take more. I don't tend to overeat real food, only sweets, and sometimes I just don't put enough food on my plate.

For sweets, I have simplified it. For one thing, I got back on a no-sugar kick. It is easy enough to give it up - everything you want either comes sugar-free or can be made sugar-free. It's not a new thing for me that sugar triggers my appetite- I think it always has. But when I wasn't eating enough, that was kind of a good thing. But now that I have a hearty appetite all the time, which I think is a sign of health, I don't need the extra calories. We'll see how it goes, but that is the one thing that is easy to give up completely with no harmful effects. I usually go for natural-type things sweetened with sugar alcohols, and eat them in great moderation. I pretty much have a no seconds rule for sweets, which I break only when I know the first serving is sort of a trial of a new product and I knew I would take more from the outset. And I never eat them when I'm hungry, only for dessert with a meal. Dessert-type foods, even if sugar-free, still tend to be calorie-dense and by the time I start to get satisfied, I've eaten too much. But a little bit after dinner a couple of times a week seems to satisfy the sweet tooth and just isn't enough to matter and mess up what is basically very healthy eating. I've been taking the doggies out for a long walk right after dinner every night, and that helps too. And I always have fruit for dessert, even if I have a little bit of ice cream or chocolate or cookies, too.

I've cut way back on the sugar-free gum. Still like it, still chew it to take the edge off of hunger, but I know it's really junk of the worst sort, so I keep it down.

So we'll see how this works. I got very discouraged because I thought I was doing so well and then got on the scale one night and it was much higher than expected. Then the next morning, I was fine. So I decided to stop weighing at night - why upset myself over nothing?

Good luck with NoS. It has worked very, very well for me and been a real blessing. It was the 15th eating plan I tried, I think, over about a 9-month period! So don't get discouraged - keep looking until you find what works with your body. Don't be afraid to tweak it to suit your lifestyle and your schedule. Before NoS, I was starving most of the time trying to maintain my weight, broken by terrifying binges every 4 to 6 weeks where I couldn't stop eating, even to the point of pain! Haven't done that, not even once, since starting NoS. I'm not uncomfortably hungry, my weight is really good, my diet is healthy and I am working, bit by bit, with letting go of the obsession and beginning to trust my body again. Definitely worth it!

Sherry

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