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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: beginners: working up to a 5-day routine Reply with quote

First, glad to see a phpbb system for everyday systems.

I'm still working up to shovelglove. It's quite a strenuous workout! And I'm a big, strong guy who's been going to the gym off-and-on for several years. The problem is in getting my arm/shoulder muscles used to the shovelglove exertion several days in a row. My first day with my shovelglove, I did lots of freestyling and my right shoulder was hurting afterwards, not in a strained-muscled kind of way, but in a stretched-connective-tissue kind of way. So I wanted to take it easy and give the shoulder a chance to heal, which it has done by now. My shoulder is back to 100%.

My first week, I did shovelglove twice. The first day was freestyle where I was a bit too much of a "spastic maniac" and hurt my shoulder; several days later I went through the shovelglove routine (the 21-14-7 routine recommended for beginners) once. That was hard.

This week, I did Monday and Tuesday, rested Wednesday, and did Thursday and will do today (Friday) before I rest for the weekend. The idea here is to get my muscles used to working on consecutive days.

Then next week, I hope to do all 5 days in a row. I think I'll be able to do it.

I absolutely love shovelglove! What a great concept and exercise. I feel very good, and very strong, when I'm done.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, that is an inspired avatar. I need to poke around and find something better for myself.

Judging from recent posts, I really need to emphasize "don't overdo it" more. I tend to forget how slowly and unsystematically I started way back when. It's just too fun.. the temptation to be a spastic maniac can be overwhelming. Glad to hear you are toughing it out by taking it easier. I think once you have a few weeks under your belt and your body learns its limits, you'll have fewer (if any) such incidents.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Hi Freakwitch :) Reply with quote

Hey James!
Glad you are still having fun swinging your sledge... Sorry about your shoulder thing... Sounds like a little tendonitis... Probably due to
"Spastic maniac" moves, like you said..
I should be joining yers all again next week...
By the way, are you sure you aren't somehow related to Henry VIII? Very Happy
That pic of you is way cool! Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reinhard wrote:
James, that is an inspired avatar. I need to poke around and find something better for myself.


Heh. Glad you like it. I just cropped my head from another photograph and used a GIMP plugin to make it; it actually didn't take much time at all.

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Judging from recent posts, I really need to emphasize "don't overdo it" more. I tend to forget how slowly and unsystematically I started way back when. It's just too fun.. the temptation to be a spastic maniac can be overwhelming. Glad to hear you are toughing it out by taking it easier. I think once you have a few weeks under your belt and your body learns its limits, you'll have fewer (if any) such incidents.


Well, I'm pretty in tune with my body. I slowed down at first to avoid injury; as it was I just had some mild discomfort. It is too fun, for sure. One reason I like it so much. Based on how I feel now, I think I'll be able to make 5 days in a row work next week. The first time I did the routine my arms were buzzing with that wonderful weary numbness; but now I feel like I could go longer if need be.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, an update. I did shovelglove yesterday and I'm about to do it again today. I'm also still going to the gym twice per week, and I went yesterday. My body is sore ... muscular sore ... but in a good way. I want to get my body used to doing this work, shovelglove 5 days/week, and the gym. I feel strong, and good.

I'm also thinking about the longterm benefits of shovelglove. I imagine that eventually I'll get to a point where I cease going to the gym, shovelglove should be plenty of strenuous exercise.

I'm conscious of not overdoing it, and sticking to the recommended 14 minutes a day. But my mindset is to always do AT LEAST 14 minutes a day, but if I feel like doing more, nothing should stop me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, I'm happy to hear "good sore" is predominating over the other kind!

I think it's awesome that you're so hard core, but I have to caution you that back in the early days when I got overenthusiastic and went beyond 14 minutes, my autonomous-excuse-system inevitably seized on that excess as grounds to skip a day later in the week. I don't want to discourage you, just a caution.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick question regarding doing the shovelglove routine 5 days in a row. This exercise is a muscle building exercise so is it okay to do the routine 5 days in a row because we are told that muscle needs to heal so it can grow and the way to make that happen is to have rest days in between? Does that only apply to weight-lifting? I'm an absolute novice who just joined. I wanted something to do at home other than the gym. I'm one of a large percentage of women who have flabby triceps and was hoping shovelglove would help tone me up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, snazzybabe. I've heard that too about it being better to give muscles a day off in between but here's why I do five in a row anyway:

1) Pre-agribusiness farmers worked much harder than this and didn't take every other day off. If anything, they took less time off.

2) These aren't the contrived moves of the gym. I wouldn't even call it pure strength training. It's something in between strength and aerobic exercise. "Take the next day off" might apply to gym lifting, but not (necessarily) to this.

3) Theory is fine, but none of the above would mean anything to me if I hadn't been doing this for over three years without any ill effects. And I know that if I had a more complex schedule, I just wouldn't do it. The weekday/weekend division is so natural, so unambiguous, so excuse-proof. I'm not going to trade those great advantages for some dubious locker room wisdom.

That being said: do not kill yourself if five days isn't for you. Do not feel that you need to start with five days (I didn't, simply because shovelglove didn't appear to me all at once in a vision but over weeks of experimentation). And do not feel that you have to work an equally hard 14 minutes each day. Just standing around with the sledgehammer in your hand for 14 minutes would be fine for self discipline purposes. The chief point of the 5 days is not that it's more hard core than 4 or 3, but that it is habitually sustainable.

Do remember, if anything hurts, stop immediately and take the next day off. That isn't wimping out, that's true discipline. And the better you are about it up front, the less often you'll have to resort to it later.

Best of luck, however many days you decide to do. And keep us posted.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. I'll work my way up to 5 days. I'll do anything do get some definition back into these arms!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: flabby arms, five days in a row Reply with quote

Oh, you'll tone up. Pay particular attention to hoist the sack motion if you are worried about your triceps. My arms have gotten bigger, but mostly the've gotten way, way more defined.

If you are worried about working five days in a row, add some squats every other day (unweighted squats, with your heels off the ground are a miraculous exercise IMHO). and do different SG exercises on alternate days.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Sounds like a good idea to do it every other day. I can't wait to go sleeveless this summer so I can show off my well defined arms (instead of hiding them away like I usually do because the triceps are flabby). Now to read up on how to do the SG moves.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip on the squats, Kevin. I've actually been doing them (while holding the SG for a little extra weight) as part of my SG routine all along, but never thought of doing it on my toes. It's nice to hear that they're such an effective exercise, bc I kinda hate them and need the motivation Wink But it seems to hold true for me: they've made a noticeable difference in my thigh muscles already, even though I've never managed to do more than 60 in a single workout (usually less).

I've tried to think of a "useful movement" meaning for the squats, but all I come up with are vulgar things that make me giggle (like taking a poo in the field, or having a baby the no-frills way).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"fertilize the crops" Wink

Snazzy babe, one last reminder: take it real slow to start out. You won't feel just how hard it is till the next day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"fertilize the crops" ROFLMAO

Snazzybabe, I second what Reinhard said. And mine is the voice of hard experience: the first time I did SG, on March 4 of this year, I managed to overdo it so badly (in just 14 minutes) that I couldn't do it again until the 15th. My arms were so stiff I couldn't fully straighten them, and one even swelled up for awhile. Fortunately I've never read of anyone else messing up quite this badly, but it's always a possibility for the extra out-of-shape types.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:02 pm    Post subject: squats Reply with quote

Well, I always called them "pick up the pieces", like I was picking up pieces of wood or stone... to emphasize the work analog and stay away from the scatological aspect.

Anyway, IMHO, the on-the-toes thing makes the squats much easier on your knees. I go all the way down till I'm sitting on my ankles, on my toes, then go to flat feet at the top. I like to do 100 in two sets of 50 to start off and finish off a shovelglove shift. Many functional strength trainers called these Hindu squats after the Indian strong men that used to perform them by the hundreds.

By the way, I wouldn't go to every other day: I'd work every day, just alternate the exercises if need be. I skip a day when I'm all over sore. Of course, being 46, that happens more frequently than I'd like.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the tips guys. Just want to know from those that have been doing it for atleast 3 months if they have seen any improvement in their definition. What about the girls - is it working to shape the arms and are most girls using the 8 pounder?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snazzybabe, I use an 8 pounder (though my bathroom scale says it's actually 10) and have been doing it for about 2.5 months (had to take 2 weeks off last month). Also, with the exception of this month, I haven't managed to consistently do it 5 times a week. But with those disclaimers out of the way, I can say that it has made a major difference in my arm muscles. They don't really look different when relaxed, but when I flex my bicep I have a substantially bigger, firmer muscle in there than I've ever had in my life. I've just started doing the "hoist the sack" movements, so I expect to get similar changes in my triceps soon. (I can also see the bicep muscle clearly when I brush my hair, and it still amazes me.) And these differences didn't just occur recently -- I started to see them, believe it or not, after doing SG for a few weeks.

Remember though, there are 2 aspects of "toning", as I understand it: 1) firming and shaping the muscle, and 2) removing fat from on top of the muscle so it becomes visible. The more fat resides in one's upper arms, the harder it will be to see muscle changes underneath (especially when the muscles are relaxed). Shovelglove takes care of part 1, and if you're doing NoS, that should help with part 2. I'll stop now in case I sound preachy. Just wanted to mention this because I tend to forget it myself, and the fat reduction part is (to me) much harder.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel King wrote:
Remember though, there are 2 aspects of "toning", as I understand it: 1) firming and shaping the muscle, and 2) removing fat from on top of the muscle so it becomes visible. The more fat resides in one's upper arms, the harder it will be to see muscle changes underneath (especially when the muscles are relaxed). Shovelglove takes care of part 1, and if you're doing NoS, that should help with part 2. I'll stop now in case I sound preachy. Just wanted to mention this because I tend to forget it myself, and the fat reduction part is (to me) much harder.


No you don't sound preachy at all. I absolutely agree. If there is too much fat the well-defined muscle is going to be hidden away. Fortunately I haven't got too much fat too lose. I am 143 pounds, 5ft 2in. I am aiming at losing 22 pounds (maybe less) to get to my desired weight.
It sounds like the exercises do work so I'm really looking forward to starting. Just got to find a sledgehammer that's 8 pounds or about 17/18 kilos in my neck of the woods.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: SG and strength Reply with quote

Aside from definition and increase in muscle size, the big payoff for SG is strength and endurance.

I went to my cousin's house tonight and we ended up messing around on his Solarflex. He showed my how much he benched, then did a set. He asked if I wanted to try. I did. I ripped off a set of 15 while he looked at me with suprise. He bumped the weight, did 10 more, then I did 10 more...

He paid $1300 for the machine, versus the $20 I paid for my 14 pound sledge. He's 10 years younger, has always been more of an athelete than I was, and is visibly bigger. He's a specimen. Clearly, we were in the 150 range, not the 300 range, but still, strong is strong, and you can get very strong without bulking up much with SG. I have no doubt he can bench press more than I can, probably a lot more. But I also have no doubt I can dig a longer ditch, push a heavier wheelbarrow, snow shovel a longer driveway, and throw more stuff in the back of my truck than he can.

You'll like SG. It won't take long to notice a difference. Eight pounds is fine to start. I just moved from 10 to 14, but I've been doing this for a while and I like to push myself.

Have fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your story Kevin. You've totally inspired me; I've been shugging for 2-3 months now, and I've been itching to upgrade my sledge from the 10 pounder I've been using. I want to try to find a 13 or 14 pounder, that chain you recommended isn't in my area sadly. I may just go for broke and go for the 16 pounder; I've learned well how to use leverage while shugging.

Most of the time on the 10 pounder I have both my hands close together (think, baseball bat) all the way down at the end of the handle. Now *that* makes the 10 pounder difficult. It's amazing how easy it is to utterly change the physics when you put the weight at the end of a 4 foot stick. Wink

I should also mention that I'm a big guy (6'4", 340 lbs), strength isn't my issue, endurance and weight loss are.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the spirit of you shovelglovers, I'm vowing to set the timer for fourteen minutes and get on my exercise bike. Tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:44 pm    Post subject: Margaret, it sounds silly, but... Reply with quote

How about setting your timer for 14 minutes and shovelgloving? It's far, far more interesting. Forget the hammer for a while, use a broomstick, or a broom, or use nothing.

14 minutes of SGing usually leaves you wanting more.

14 minutes on an exercise bike... well...

I'm a No-S proponent, but I'm an SG fanatic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta back Kevin up here. It is not only the benefits and rewards of the fitness SG will bring that will keep you doing it. It is actually fun. It is almost like playing a game or something. It really is fun. >A fun workout.< You will also feel like you accomplished something when you are done. And the 14 minutes goes by very fast when you get in the swing of it. Try it. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on Old Fox! SG is SUPERFUN!
Everyone should own one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep on Gloving!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed. Shovelglove is the best workout (Well, at least the best upper body workout), I've ever encountered. Give it a go!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to add my vote in here for SG rather than the bike. I have done various forms of exercise in the past, but never as consistently, or for as long, as I've found myself willing to do SG. And I just wanted to mention how proud I am of myself: I have done SG every weekday for this entire month!!! GO ME! Very Happy *tooting my own horn madly*
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Toot toot whoo hoo!!!!!!
You are my hero Ariel!!!
I am really proud of you Wink
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Thanks Deb. Your consistent support is really helpful! (((HUGS)))
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Deb's a one-woman cheerleading squad! Laughing
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Go, team, go!!!
Help us God!!! LOL.....

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You guys aren't too shabby either!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started out with my shiny new 10lb sledge yesterday and did 2 sets of 5 minutes, one in the morning and one in the evening.

This morning I did 6 minutes. I won't be doing any this evening cos I've got an Aqua Areobics class I go to on Tuesday nights (another fairly 'fun' exercise, plus I like the social aspect as I have friends I made at the class who I only ever see there).

Tomorrow morning will hopefully be 7 minutes SG. That way I'll build up to 14 minutes each day. For me, it's more important that I do a little each day to build it into my morning routine than for me to do 14 minutes straight off so increasing by a minute each day, up to 14 minutes is the best way I found to start out.

It's fun! My cat Lyra finds this new pastime facinating and clearly thinks I'm nuts, but fortunately she's sensible enough to stay at a safe viewing distance! The boy S (my Husband) scoffed a little but then I caught him picking it up and making a few shovelling movements, so I'm going to keep quiet and just see if he decides to join me in the end! *grin*
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The boy S (my Husband) scoffed a little but then I caught him picking it up and making a few shovelling movements, so I'm going to keep quiet and just see if he decides to join me in the end! *grin*

Hmmm... That's how I get my twin preschoolers interested in things. Wink

The 14 minutes really is a cool number. I had to skip my aerobic routine today because I just plain didn't have time, but I haven't skipped a single SG day yet (M,W,F) because at 14 minutes there's just no excuse!

The slow and steady climb to 14 sounds smart, carolejo. Keep up the great work, and before you know it the 14 minutes will fly by! Rah Rah Rah! Very Happy
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Decided to stick with 6 minutes again this morning cos my forearms were a little sore from yesterday.

Hopefully I'll be able to up the time I do it for tomorrow, but one thing's for sure, I don't need to rush it cos I'm already doing more than I ever did before!

S is still 'resisting' but I wonder how long he'll hold out for...?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: My first day Reply with quote

I bought a 10-lb. sledgehammer over the weekend and just did my first workout.

For reference, I'm 31, male, 5' 11" and 195 pounds, and I haven't been in great shape for about ten years now (I was about 170-175 pounds when I graduated high school, which was the last time I was working out every day. During college, walking several miles across campus every day kept the weight off, but after that it started inching up. And I've never had particularly good upper-body strength.)

SG has great appeal for me, as someone who continually finds excuses not to go to the gym (mainly along the lines of "I don't have the time.") I had intended to buy a 12-pound hammer, but Home Depot only had 10-pounders (and smaller) and 16-pounders. The 16 was out of the question, and so I took home a 10-pounder instead - and it's just as well, 'cause this sucker's heavy enough for right now.

Today, I did 30 shoveling moves on each side, followed by 15 butter churns (right hand on top) and then another 15 (left hand on top.) I then did 20 chops on each side (I found this move to be relatively easy - I must be doing it wrong) followed by five "no-name" moves with each arm. I then checked the time - six minutes remaining - and did another 30 shovels on each side, another 15 butter churns on each side, and had just finished 20 more right-handed chops when my timer went off. I thought about doing 20 left-handed chops for symmetry, but decided to stick to Reinhard's advice about quitting when the timer goes off. I did keep working for the entire 14 minutes, aside from some brief swearing breaks.

That was about twenty minutes ago. Fully extending my arms is mildly uncomfortable (I think I overdid it on the "no-name"/arm-curls) and I have the slightest twinge about halfway down my back on the right side, but otherwise I feel pretty good. (I promise to skip tomorrow if I can still feel the twinge in my back.)

I plan to post every two weeks or so with an update (partially for your info, partially to motivate myself.) As of Day 1, I am enthusiastic about SG and feel like this is an exercise plan I may actually be able to stick with. Time will tell...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi itf. Congrats on your first ShovelGlove workout!! I really hope you aren't too sore today. (I severely overdid it on my first SG attempt back in March, and was having flashbacks while reading your post.) Though it took me 11 days to recover from that first workout, I've been doing SG ever since, and rarely get sore anymore. This is the ONLY exercise I've ever managed to stick with, and it's done remarkable things for my muscles. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: keep it up... Reply with quote

itf, give it a day or so until the soreness goes away, then get back to it. I find SG to be the perfect exercise. It takes almost no equipment, puts on muscle mass pretty quickly, and gets you in the shape you need to be for real world kind of work (yard work, DIY stuff, etc.).

Have fun with it. That's the most important thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: still sore :-) Reply with quote

Thanks for the encouragement and advice. Ariel, your flashback was on target - I way overdid it on Monday. Tuesday and Wednesday were pretty uncomfortable, and today I'm much improved but still sore, so I decided that SGing today would be pushing it. I'll be giving it another (slightly less intense) try tomorrow, I think.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha! That reminds me of the first SG session I did last year...
I put on Led Zep II and went ballistic! Projectile sweat was coming out of my head! And when I was finished I was spent!!!!! But if you pace yourself, unlike I did that first day, it isn't going to cause major soreness on any regular basis...
So have fun with it!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Sticking with it Reply with quote

I threatened to post every two weeks...

Today is fifteen days after my first day, and today was also my fifth workout. (Five days between 1 and 2, due to sore muscles. Four days between 2 and 3, same reason. Three days between 3 and 4, and three days between 4 and 5 but only because I was so busy yesterday I couldn't even fit in the 14-minute workout. Yes, really.)

At this point I feel like I could try to SG every day, but that might be pushing it, so I'm going to try every other day for a week or so, then make the big jump to every day. I'm still enjoying it and making fairly rapid progress for now (sets of 30 shovels on Day 1 have become 50; sets of 15 churns, with pauses, have become 20 without; and so forth. And I won't hurt tomorrow like I did after Day 1.) Also today I finished my sets with a few seconds left over to freestyle (which is a significant improvement as well.) In general the shovelglove feels lighter than it did at first. Finally, at two weeks in, I'm weighing in at 194, a pound lighter than two weeks ago (now I need to keep up that weight loss rate for six months...)

I'll post again in two more weeks, unless I lose momentum and return to a sedentary lifestyle, in which case shame will keep me away.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Itf..
Don't let shame stop you from doing something fun if the only thing that's hard about it is keeping the "everyday" requirement.
I feel I know Reinhard pretty well at this point, so I'll say what I think he'd say... Five days a weeks works for him... He is not a doctor or a physical trainer or therapist... I'm sure he, and all the rest of us here wouldn't hold it against you if you backed of every other day... The goal here is to have a maintainable activity that won't stop every third month for months on end... It's not even recommended to do weight training every day anyway... If your body is telling you something. Just listen to it. Reinhard... Hope that was in line with your Shovelglove wisdom!

Have a great day!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: itf, don't sweat it too much Reply with quote

I don't usually SG every day - I alternate days with other resistance exercise. Personally, I think the more variety in exercise, the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi itf. Good job for sticking with SG, even on an abbreviated schedule due to soreness. Glad to hear you're making progress though. Every other day for a week or so sounds like a good way to gradually ramp up. I have confidence you'll get there - believe me, I had the wussiest girl arms ever, and if I can do it every day, anyone can! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: :-) Reply with quote

Thanks all, and don't worry, Deb, shame will only kick in if I give up entirely. I'm quite certain I can maintain - at an absolute minimum - a three-days-a-week schedule, so I don't think that's likely to happen.

I'll make notes on my progress in two more weeks.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you!!!
Just my experience here, but when I was really going at it with SG, I didn't lose that much weight, and I'm sure it's because my muscle mass was changing, but I toned up really nicely... Since I've been away from it for a while, my belly seems like I went up a teeny bit inchwise...
I don't know if I'd win any arm wrestling championships right now...
At this point since I've been practicing Yoga, and doing a fair amount of massage, frankly I don't get around to SG like I used to...
I'm trying to change my attitude about that, but I feel a little like my plate is already pretty full... When I do it, it's for pure pleasure! I did it last week... Once my back is feeling better from an annoying injury flare up I'm experiencing right now, triggered by the ridiculous 4 hours of chair massage I did on Monday (no more events like that for me!!!!!)
I will be back to my Yoga'ing and SG'ing self...
I did crack open a coconut with my SG last night...
Does that count at all? Laughing
It sure was fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Deb!

Guess what? There's a coconut in my fruit bowl right now so I think I'll be trying that tomorrow for a laugh (after I've drilled 2 holes in it and drained out the coconut water, that is - Can you imagine the mess it'd make otherwise...? *chuckles*)

Did 7 minutes today. I'm back to trying a little every day now. I should be able to 7 minutes every day next week too. Perhaps Nietzche was right and 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' cos although I overdid it badly on Monday and hurt for 3 days afterwards, now I'm able to go for 2 whole minutes longer than beforehand.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb -- Using the shovelglove to do something real (and amusing) certainly counts for something!

Itf -- regarding the 5 days a week: Deb and Kevin are right, if it's too much, please find another schedule rather than kill yourself. Another thing to keep in mind is keeping the 14 minutes a weekday structure as I do, but using some of those 14 minute slots for a non-shovelglove exercise. That way you keep the natural rythm of weekeday vs. s-day without torturous repetition. And do remember that you don't have to go at it with the same intensity every morning. The habit of carving out the time is the most important thing, for that a relaxed routine does just as well as an intense one.

Kevin -- I'm sorry I missed your post about the solarflex until now. That's awesome.

Freakwitch -- I'm really looking forward to seeing your physics lesson on video!

Glad you all sound like you're mostly having fun, despite some sore patches. Sorry I've been such a lousy poster recently. Maybe my monthly resolution for August will have something to do with that... (still have today to decide and hit the magic 21 days).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi folks,
SG has been very easy for me to maintain. This was surprising for me because I have a "tennis elbow"-like condition that is very frustrating for weight training. Anyways, the way I've found successful is to do circuit training. I do 10 repetitions of each exercise and keep cycling through them until 14 minutes runs out.
My exercises are:
butter churns
shoveling
"side bends"
driving fence posts
"paddling"
knee push-ups (yes, I know, like a "degraded beast")

Thanks for your time. Keep on shuggin.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha, Sammy!
Reinhard is so very funny and enjoyable to read, but even he would probably say, that if you like to do floor exercises, to do them!!!!
I personally love to do floor exercises...
And sometimes like to just lay on the floor to relax and stretch out my back and neck...
I don't feel it's degrading... Wink

But you know, that whole shovelglove thing is really meant to be done upright... That's how it was intended to be used, so it makes sense to do it that way...
I was a totally lame ass yesterday as regards my SG (yes it's time to kick my own ass...)
I then tried to honor my 14 minutes commitment by laying in my bed and holding the SG while under my covers!!!!! LOL......
I did try to do some (lame) chest presses with it, and found out, that it is really uncomfortable to use the SG in anything but the upright position....
I stopped after 1 minute, in disgust, and then promptly started to doze off!

Well, Carpe Diem!
I will do it today!!!!

Keep up your great routine! Very Happy
You will notice how it tones the muscles almost instantly....
Regular weights never did this for me...
Don't know why, but it's just my personal belief that everything Reinhard creates is from a deep place of wisdom and is blessed!
And fun!!!!!!
See you later Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gratefuldeb67 wrote:
Ha ha, Sammy!

Keep up your great routine! Very Happy
You will notice how it tones the muscles almost instantly....
Regular weights never did this for me...
Don't know why, but it's just my personal belief that everything Reinhard creates is from a deep place of wisdom and is blessed!
And fun!!!!!!
See you later Smile
Cool Deb

Deb,
Thanks for your enthusiasm and support. Yes, I did notice a change in muscle tone almost immediately. It surprises me that only 14 minutes working with a 10 lb. hammer can have such an effect.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's so cool isn't it??? I'm enjoying your posts too.. I took a big break from SG for a while there, but I'm back...
After two days of doing it, my son Richard said, "I can see your arms look better already Mom..."
When I was really into it.. After the New Year and around, hmmm, maybe March or April, when I took my Shovelglove "Sabbatical", I didn't lose so much weight, but my arms and stomach went down measurably... My arms went from being 16.5 inches of pure Grandma flab, to 14.75 in only two months... My stomach went from 38.5" inches to 36.75"....
It works!
Besides the highly effective nature of Shovelglove, it is so gosh-darned quirky, that it has a special kooky charm all of it's own...
We are an elite force I tell you!!!!!!


Keep up the good work and vibes!
See you later...
Peace and Glove,
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Wanna be in the Pact???? Hee....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: One month of Shovelglove Reply with quote

It's one month to the day since my first workout, and also I did my 11th workout today. I'm still Monday/Wednesday/Friday right now, although I feel ready to give Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday a try. Also, as per Reinhard's advice, I'm going to try and get in fourteen minutes of other exercise on any weekday when I don't SG. (maybe those Hindu squats everybody seems excited about...)

I've moved to Reinhard's "5b" plan (I started out only doing shoveling, churning, wood chopping, and lever-flipping) and it's just about right in terms of difficulty for me right now. I'm down to 193 pounds (although I think that the 2-pound difference from my weight a month ago must be within the margin of error of my bathroom scale...) and definitely still building strength, though not as quickly as I did the first two weeks. Mostly I'm just pleased with myself for sticking with it - I haven't worked out regularly since high school, and I feel better all around than I have for a while.

Thanks again to everybody for the encouragement and especially to Reinhard. I'll post another update in two more weeks.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sammy, Itf, sorry for the delayed responses (vacation).

Sammy -- Deb's right, you have my permission and support to do the "degraded beast" if you enjoy it. I have to confess that after hearing about my uncle in law's exploits I was curious how many good form pushups I could do (interspersed with other stuff) in 14 minutes. I tried it a couple sessions and managed about 70 (in sets of 28-21-14-7-whatever I could manage after that). Not something I plan on doing regularly, but, as you see, I'm not completely above it.

Itf -- glad to hear you're still with it. Looking forward to your next post. Again, the sledge is like a sorcerers staff -- it helps, but a real sorcerer can still practice sorcery without it. If it takes other stuff to keep you hooked on 14 schedulistically insignificant minutes every N day, don't hesitate -- and post details.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Rein,
70 pushups is fantastic, in whatever set order, you break them up into....
Wow!!!!!!!

I bet the Shovelglove has primed you for that big time!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: 70 pushups Reply with quote

Reinhard, be careful, you'll find these bad boys are addicting... I have a competition about who can get to 100 first with VG (I'm going to lose, I'm sensing the guy was Special Forces in a previous career).

I can do 70 in my first set of the day, with pretty good form. Last week 50 would have been a lot.

SG definitely contributed to this.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Kevin!!! You get a big
WOW from me too!!!!!

I'm not sure who I should be rooting for in your competition, but somehow, a Vanilla Gorilla just seems like such a powerful image...
Hmmm... Maybe if you change your name to
"Killer Kevin" or something!

Go you guys!!!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Deb... Reply with quote

Not sure it matters who you root for... VG used to do 200 at a pop. I'll bet he could do 100 if he were motivated.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: One month, two weeks Reply with quote

I just completed workout #17 (since I started a month and a half ago.) I've been sticking to a M-W-F schedule but continue to have ambitions of migrating to Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri.

I'm still doing Reinhard's "5b" arrangement, with a few modifications (specifically, I have added extra reps of "hoist the sack" because it was very easy compared to the other exercises; also, I moved "hoist the sack" after "stoke the oven", because following "stoke the oven" immediately with "tuck the bales" (which I find works pretty much the same muscles) was just too much. My new arrangement works much better for me.

My progress is slower, but I've still made tangible improvements in the last two weeks and my time continues to improve. (I've been trying to get all the way through the first cycle, and then through the first four exercises of the second cycle, within the fourteen minutes. Haven't made it yet, but I'm drawing nearer every day.)

I haven't yet managed to follow Reinhard's recommendation of doing a different exercise on non-SG days - because things have been crazy-busy, or so I tell myself - but I intend to start. Anyway, as Reinhard says, maintenance is more important than progress. For now, I'm maintaining my three-days-a-week SG, and that's a lot better than I was doing two months ago.

Last but not least, my opinion of the elements of the 5b workout.
Fence posts (21): easy
Churning (21): hard
Shoveling (21): easy
Flip the lever (14): very hard
Wood chopping (21): easy
Hoist the sack (14): very easy (I increased my reps from 14 to 21, making it "moderate")
Stoke the oven (21): easy
Tuck the bales (21): very very hard (if it follows "stoke the oven"; only "hard" once I moved "hoist the sack" in between those two)

Oh, and the scale says 197 today (boo!), but I have completely lost faith in it after seeing how much I can change the result just by shifting my feet slightly. Nonetheless, I don't think I'm losing any weight; it's probably time to make the No-S diet my official plan.

Next update at my two-month mark.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITF, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, push yourself! It seems like it's time to go to the M-T-Th-F schedule. This is a good move, as it gives your body time to adjust to working on consecutive days.

Since I started doing that, I've noticed that my body recovers more quickly in terms of tiredness and soreness. It seems like your progress has levelled out some, a sure sign that kicking things up a notch is probably OK!

Having said that, don't be spastic. Listen to your body, but challenge it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi ITF...
DBF here! LOL...

Sorry for your scale downer the other day... Don't be too disappointed though because, really Shovelglove will tone and strengthen you very well!!! I agree though that if you don't combine it with a decent diet then you might not see pounds go down much.. Remember that Reinhard has religiously been Urban Rangering for several years now and I am certain that impacted his weight loss when he was in the losing stages... Keep in mind that one of the reasons it's hard to lose weight from weight bearing exercises is that if you gain muscle you may maintaining that higher weight, but it just won't be fat anymore...
Muscle is three times as heavy... I lost inches with SG...
Do a schedule which you will be happy with and be able to maintain...
If you need to skip days, so be it...
No problem... The main concern is that you don't want to get to the point that something isn't maintainable... Reinhard, FW and a bunch of others can do SG five days a week... I know plenty of people who do it only 3 or 4 and some less, but just do what works for you!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: ITF Reply with quote

For a while, you might try other exercises on off days. SG does put a lot of strain on the connective tissue. If you are older (like me, in my mid forties), it might be difficult to do it every day. I can do it every day, but it hurts.

Maybe on off days do pushups, squats, rows, whatever. Something with lower reps and bigger weights (like your body).

Just a thought, but the most variety is probably the best plan to getting stronger without hurting yourself.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itf, I'm stealing your space for a sec.. Hope it's okay! Smile
Kevin... SG, at any age shouldn't hurt... I don't think it's your age, I think it's from your injuries...
I hope I'm not being too pushy here, but given the fact that you've had trauma to the shoulder in the past, I would suggest two things..
One, maybe use a lighter sledge, and two, definitely try to get someone who knows how to do precise and competent work in the field of triggerpoint therapy... Where there's trigger points there's usually also tendonitis and overall discomfort and marked difference in muscle strength, when the muscle is functioning under load...
Congrats on your amazing five hundred pushups the other day!!!!!
Please, quit obsessing on how old you are! Laughing
You aren't!

Okay, I mean once you are past 25 things really do change, but half of it is attitude.... You seem to mention this point a lot, and I think you should be thrilled at the amount of exercise you do everyday for a person of *ANY* age!
You always inspire me!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Thanks all Reply with quote

I just put workout #19 under my belt, and decided to check the board, and saw all the suggestions.

Freakwitch, I think you're right, it is time to push for Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri. I tried two weeks ago and wasn't quite ready for it - I did Mon/Tues but then skipped Thurs/Fri because I was sore. (Specifically, it was the muscles behind my shoulder blades that were sore, nothing else, which struck me as unusual.) I made up a day that Saturday, in an effort to keep my three-days-a-week streak going, but obviously I wasn't yet ready for consecutive days. I think I will try again tomorrow, if I can (I have a meeting every Tuesday at just the time I like to SG, which also helps me make excuses.)

Deb - don't worry about my scale downer, I'm not letting it discourage me. Besides, today it read 190 when I stepped on it, so I just need to start ignoring the schizoid little beast. My diet is OK (plenty of fruit and whole grains, reasonable portions) but not great (not enough vegetables, too much cheese and fat.) I am trying to walk instead of driving to get lunch on weekdays, but it's difficult, as I live in Los Angeles and walking is not the way of our people. Smile And I can tell that I'm building muscle, so that partially allays my concern about not losing weight (although I can't imagine converting all the fat into muscle and maintaining my current weight, I'd be a tree trunk.)

Kevin - Reinhard recommended much the same thing, do other exercises on non-SG days to keep the habit, and I've been meaning to do it but just haven't found the will yet. (Aiding my excuse-making is that the last couple months have been absolutely crazy at work, with very long hours - a situation which is finally coming to an end, so perhaps my willpower will improve.) I will give it a shot this week and see what happens. I'm 31, by the way, without any nagging injuries (well, a knee issue but that doesn't affect my SG in any way) so I figure I ought to be able to build up to doing SG every day if I want to. I would like to at least try it for a while and see how it goes, but I'm considering other options for non-SG days too and will have to try them out and see what feels productive.

Thanks to all of you for the suggestions and encouragement -
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