Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Hi all,

I'm new to the board and to No-S, as of last week. I officially started on Tuesday, and managed to string together four successful days last week, followed by my two S-days. By last night (Sunday night), I was actually looking forward to a return of the N-day structure. Not that I'm enjoying being quite hungry before meals! I have just found that the KNOWING when I'm going to eat, and not allowing snacks, has eliminated the thoughts in my head about when to have a snack, and what kind of snack to have, that had occupied a lot of my thoughts prior to starting this diet. Now, I just have to learn to constructively deal with the hunger.

Here's parts of my story. Subsequent check-ins will be much shorter. This is more of a self-introduction.

Stats: 53-year-old woman, mostly sedentary lifestyle, work out 4x/week, walk 15 miles a week.
5'6", about 156 lbs. Goals: I'd be psyched to maintain below 145 lbs, and super-psyched to maintain below 140 lbs.

I decided to do No-S because about a year ago, I pretty much gave up being slim(ish) ever again. It seemed like it was just impractical for me as a 53-year-old woman with a fairly sedentary lifestyle, even though I work out four days a week and walk at least fifteen miles a week. However, I had definitely bought into the "you can have healthy snacks any time you want" mentality, and I get "hangry" if I don't eat for a few hours, so my usual day included several snacks. At times I ate a fair amount of sweets too, since hey, if I'm not going to be slim, why deny myself the chocolate and larger portions at meals that I really wanted?

However, a couple of weeks before reading the book, I had been eliminating most added-sugar-type foods (sweets) from my diet as a way of trying to get healthier in general. That was going well already. But the idea of - gasp! - eating three meals a day and no snacks had never seriously been on my radar as a way to lose weight. After a year of letting myself go (at 5 foot 6, I had reached around 165ish pounds at some point recently, but had stopped weighing myself), I was ready to try something new. As it happened, now I'm trying something old! So far, so good on sticking to it, but I will definitely have a problem the first time I need to seriously use my brain while hungry.

I'm going to try and not weigh myself more than once a week to avoid getting discouraged.

I'm tempted to make snack exceptions for green leafy salad, other whole raw veggies and fruit, but I understand the logic behind not making exceptions. More importantly, there's good logic for forcing some higher-calorie foods off my meal plates by including decent portions of veggies and fruit at meals rather than making snacks out of them and therefore eating more fattening foods at meals. So far I think the result of these rules is for me to eat fewer veggies and fruit than I would otherwise. So we'll see if I make mods later.

The book was mostly a pleasure for me to read, as I like the direct tone. Not everyone will. I'm an engineer, so I like that. One thing I have to question is the idea that the rules prohibit me eating carrots between meals, but not having a glass of milk. I would rather have the carrots, which I have used as a staple for my healthy snacks for years. I understand the logic behind limiting solid food between meals without exceptions, but ... hmm. Also the idea that I can't snack after dinner, but I could have a beer. Hmm. Once I have a beer, I'm going to care less what I eat, so that could end up being counterproductive! On a more personal note, using beverages to assuage evening hunger just makes sure I wake up multiple times a night to go to the toilet. And I can't stand the idea of going to bed really hungry. So, I had a spoonful of plain Greek yogurt one night before going to bed. It does a lot to kill that "really hungry" feeling long enough for me to fall asleep without feeling punished. I'm not counting that as a failure, so I guess that's my first mod.

I signed up for the habit calendar and the bulletin board. I'm going to enjoy keeping track that way.

Thanks to Reinhard for everything!
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Whosonfirst » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:50 pm

Welcome and great start! Looking forward to your check-ins.
Weekly goal = Five Green days in a row. I do a BMI check by looking in a mirror.
Orig. SW(7/2016)= 226/ SW(reboot) =217-3/7/2018
Current Wt= 210 -8/2018
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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:33 am

I'm calling yesterday a success even though I had about a teaspoonful of plain Greek yogurt before bed to stave off hunger while falling asleep.

I normally drink tap water with every meal, so if I don't report a drink, that's what I had.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, half a clementine, and half a yellow bell pepper. Coffee with cream.
Lunch: chicken salad, 5 saltines, half a bell pepper.
Afternoon: tea with lemon.
Dinner: chicken curry with veggies over rice, half a small Granny Smith apple.
Shot of tequilla during the evening.
Teaspoon of Greek yogurt before bed to let me fall asleep without hunger making me feel resentful.

I had the shot of tequilla because I was irritable and wanted to take a chill pill. It was only partially from being hungry, though that was part of why. Even my wonderful husband noticed I was irritable. If I'm not mistaken, a drink a day is allowed. Normally I have a couple of drinks a week. Two or three drinks in an evening is a big party for me.

Today I might fail, though I suppose that's a bad attitude. I have to go work the polls for a primary here in Virginia -- for a non-partisan organization, let's please not get into partisan stuff here. I'll be on my feet talking to voters all day, and I'm not sure I can do that while "hangry".

And away we go...
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by automatedeating » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Good luck today!
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:42 am

@automatedeating, thank you for the encouragement!

Today was my first FAILURE. I was at a poll station today from 10:30 AM until 7 PM talking to voters (for a non-partisan cause), and that is a very "snacky" type of situation for me. I am proud that I didn't go absolutely crazy, and I didn't even look at the doughnuts someone had kindly brought, nor did I chow down on the many additional junk food snacks that other people offered.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, string beans, half a small Granny Smith apple. Coffee with cream.
Snack: 6 Paleo Bites from Costco
Lunch: Turkey and ham wrap from Wawa
Snack: double-portion Baked Lay's potato chips
Snack: some kind of chocolate protein drink, not too sweet (bought when I still thought I might have a chance at success!)
Snack: 5 - oz beer after finishing at the polls, because driving "home" to my husband apparently meant going to the bar and getting us a beer. How could I say no?
Snack: small Granny Smith apple.
Dinner: no dinner.

What's interesting and amusing about this day is that before No-S, I would have considered this day a win, especially considering the situation. But under No-S it's a fail, because it was counter to establishing the habits I'm trying to make part of my life. I think it would be easy to become resentful that I can fail while being so "good" and even forgoing dinner, but I am logic-ing my way away from that feeling.
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by automatedeating » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:34 pm

Candace - believe or not, there could come a day when all those snacks don't even register as "food" in your mind because it's not mealtime! Isn't that crazy!? For me, snacks in meetings, stores, parties, etc., are like porn or something and I avert my eyes. :lol: Unless it's an S Day!

Also, I like your ability to reflect on the areas of NoS that aren't necessarily logical to you. Reinhard was just a guy that came up with a system that worked for him. With your logical head, you could make up your own system and then there wouldn't be inconsistencies wouldn't gnaw at you or make you resentful. (or the inconsistencies would be lessened or whatever so that it works fine for you)

I wonder (and I know you are new here so I apologize if this is all a bit too esoteric....) what are the key elements of an eating system that would work for you for the next 5 years, let's say? Or, maybe we could flip this question and ask - what are the key elements of NoS that make the system work for some people? For me, it's the structure, hands-down. It reduces decision-making and therefore my willpower doesn't get too depleted (once habit is established). It's also convenient and doesn't require any special cooking. It can go with me on any trip or endeavor without problem.
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:32 pm

That is a great question. My best answer at this time is that if I had been able to formulate a plan for myself that would work and keep my weight down, I would have done it by now!

So although the No-S system has aspects that I would quarrel with, I'm ready to give it the best go that I can. So aside from things it allows, like certain beverages between meals, and alcohol, I'm going for an absolute minimum of tweaks (like a teeny bit of plain Greek yogurt before bed if I don't feel like I can sleep otherwise) before I record a failure and move on, like yesterday. After the 21 or so days, I might try a mod or two. But it's all those deviations from good behavior that got me where I am today: pudgy and frustrated. I'm ready to try it the No-S way now. I may note the things I might think don't make 100% sense for me, but I am also going to resolve to understand why they are the way they are.

I should also add that yesterday, I made the conscious decision to fail when it became apparent to me that I couldn't effectively talk to voters while hangry, and I wanted to be effective more than I wanted to have a green day on No-S. So it was a red day on the diet plan and habit-establishing journey, but I don't think it hurt my weight loss goals any. Today I'm back to green (so far). I figure even if I have some red days, if they don't derail my health goals-i.e., if I don't go too crazy- I don't have to feel too badly about them. Does that make sense?
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:27 pm

Yesterday (Wednesday, June 10th) was a good day: SUCCESS.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, string beans. I had an apple on my plate but didn't even want it. Plain latte from Panera.
Lunch: Panera onion soup without croutons, protein bar.
Afternoon: hot tea with lemon.
Dinner: lentils and beans in sauce over white rice with a fried egg on top.

I went to bed hungry, but didn't think I was too hungry to sleep. I was wrong, and missed at least an hour of sleep before I went down to the kitchen and had a spoonful of plain Greek yogurt. Then I woke up again in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom (a nightly occurrence) and stayed awake for way too long, but probably not from hunger. I think I'm going to be nicer to myself and have a spoonful of yogurt before bed if I feel hungry.
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by automatedeating » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Plain lattes are my favorite coffee shop treat. Been doing that quite a bit these last few weeks of the quarter. I'm in all-out mode, but the end is in sight!

I love the sound of your food, btw. Yum to scrambled eggs with string beans and to lentils & beans w/ a scrambled egg on top!
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:23 pm

automatedeating wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Plain lattes are my favorite coffee shop treat. Been doing that quite a bit these last few weeks of the quarter. I'm in all-out mode, but the end is in sight!

I love the sound of your food, btw. Yum to scrambled eggs with string beans and to lentils & beans w/ a scrambled egg on top!
Thanks! The lentils with beans are a "Madras Foods" packet from Costco. Six to a box. Pretty good as a quick, wholesome, cheap and tasty meal when the rice is already made. The string beans at breakfast is to, frankly, have more food at breakfast to try and get to lunch less hungry. Best of everything for the end of the quarter.

Yesterday, Thursday June 13th: SUCCESS.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, string beans, half a small orange. Panera cafe latte (plain).
Lunch: chicken salad, 3 saltines, roasted baby carrots, small apple. Plain tea with lemon.
Afternoon drink: about 1/4 of the protein shake powder for one serving, ~4 oz. whole milk, water. Boy did that help me get to dinner without taking someone's head off. I'm going to try to make that my "go-to" afternoon beverage, but I don't need to do all the powder or have it with straight whole milk.
Dinner: Frozen dinner. Not my first choice, but every once in a while I do it. Marie Calendar's sweet and spicy chicken with noodles, with about half a scrambled egg thrown in for added protein and good feelings. Small apple.
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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Re: Candace's Newbie Check-Ins

Post by Candace » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:19 pm

Friday, June 14: SUCCESS. I was proud of myself because I had to adapt to having an activity stretch way past my normal lunchtime, but I made it.

Breakfast: scrambled eggs, roasted carrots. Coffee with whole milk.
Spoonful of protein shake powder, whole milk and water for a drink to get me into mid-afternoon before lunch.
Lunch: chicken salad, five saltines, roasted carrots, small apple.
Tea with lemon.
Dinner: white rice with Madras Foods Ginger Thai Curry mixture with veggies, and a scrambled egg mixed in.
One Truly spiked selzer.

My husband and I worked out in the morning, then I went for a five-mile walk with a friend from 12 to 2, then I scrubbed the siding on the front porch during the afternoon (soooo much dirt, soooo many spiders, soooo much general crud), and then my husband and I went for our normal three-mile walk in the evening. For me, this was a very active day.

I've made it to my second weekend! Woo hoo! We're going to an event this afternoon and evening, and there will be lots of opportunity to eat and drink all the wrong things at the wrong times. But it's an S-day! I will just endeavor to enjoy a few treats but not go too crazy.
53 year old female. Weight 6/14/2019: 155 lb. Goal: 145 lb. Stretch goal: 140 lb.

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