NoS and intermittent fasting
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Dr. Mosley, British doctor who invented the fast diet, suggests eating normally 5 days a week and on two non-consecutive days a week, eat one quart of the calories you consume daily in two meals separated by 12 hours.
He claims it works and is not painful. You may want to read his book The Fast Diet:
http://www.amazon.com/The-FastDiet-Heal ... 1476734941
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He claims it works and is not painful. You may want to read his book The Fast Diet:
http://www.amazon.com/The-FastDiet-Heal ... 1476734941
Order thru Reinhard's site.
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
The Fast Diet (or 5:2) is excellent (and I've been doing it successfully - see my ticker). But 16:8 precedes it - see Leangains (Google it); also Fast 5 which is 19:5.
herbgirl, I take it you still do NoS concurrently with IF?
herbgirl, I take it you still do NoS concurrently with IF?
Start BMI 36, current BMI 19, goal BMI 19.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
I am doing my own "version" of No S with Intermittent fasting. Meaning 3 meals a day. But I do have sweets if I want to in those meals, and I do have a system of portion control--counting bites. I also give myself alot more bites for Sundays, hence my "S" day
SW 218.2 10-14-13
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
I eat, stop, eat. I stop at the cookie jar, and eat. I sit down on the couch with a Coke and pistachios, turn on the 49er game, and eat. I get up, stop at the candy dish and have a handful of M&Ms. I stop at the last dot of civilization between my house and Sun Valley and have Cubano sandwiches. I'm not sure this is the same as EatStopEat though?walkerlori wrote:I'm a fan of IF too.
I bounce between EatStopEat (24 hrs 2X a week) and 16/8.
IF is a good fit with NoS.
Bacon is the gateway meat. - Anthony Bourdain
You pale in comparison to Fox Mulder. - The Smoking Man
I made myself be hungry, then I would get hungrier. - Frank Zane Mr. Olympia '77, '78, '79
You pale in comparison to Fox Mulder. - The Smoking Man
I made myself be hungry, then I would get hungrier. - Frank Zane Mr. Olympia '77, '78, '79
Good one.
The past few days, I’ve been delaying my first meal to around 11 am, so I’m fasting for about 16 hours. It started more by chance; I am up very early due to my work schedule and needing to get myself and my 5 month old out the door on time to go to daycare and then work. I’ve noticed that when I eat before leaving, it’s always rushed and stressful, and I still feel hungry at around 10 or 11 am (though I still wait until around 1:30 pm to eat lunch due to following NoS). I decided to have part of my lunch at 11 am and then the rest after 1:30 or 2 pm since that works with my schedule. During my actual lunch break at 12:30, I go over to my son’s daycare to nurse him, so I eat when I get back to my desk. I find this to be quite doable and actually helps me stress less because I don’t have to worry about shoveling food down the hatch before going to work. I don’t like to eat in the car since I think it’s a bad habit to get into, plus my commute is pretty short so it seems silly for me.
On a related topic, I watch The Dr. Oz show now and then but take what I hear with a grain of salt. The episodes often conflict each other anyway, I have noticed. Some of the information is helpful, the rest I just ignore. Just yesterday, I was watching a show with a segment about keeping your metabolism revved up. Of course there was the recommendation to eat six small meals. No, thanks. Also, he stressed that if you don't eat 30 grams of protein within an hour of rising you could be compromising your metabolism. Hmmm, I have to beg to differ. But to each their own!
The past few days, I’ve been delaying my first meal to around 11 am, so I’m fasting for about 16 hours. It started more by chance; I am up very early due to my work schedule and needing to get myself and my 5 month old out the door on time to go to daycare and then work. I’ve noticed that when I eat before leaving, it’s always rushed and stressful, and I still feel hungry at around 10 or 11 am (though I still wait until around 1:30 pm to eat lunch due to following NoS). I decided to have part of my lunch at 11 am and then the rest after 1:30 or 2 pm since that works with my schedule. During my actual lunch break at 12:30, I go over to my son’s daycare to nurse him, so I eat when I get back to my desk. I find this to be quite doable and actually helps me stress less because I don’t have to worry about shoveling food down the hatch before going to work. I don’t like to eat in the car since I think it’s a bad habit to get into, plus my commute is pretty short so it seems silly for me.
On a related topic, I watch The Dr. Oz show now and then but take what I hear with a grain of salt. The episodes often conflict each other anyway, I have noticed. Some of the information is helpful, the rest I just ignore. Just yesterday, I was watching a show with a segment about keeping your metabolism revved up. Of course there was the recommendation to eat six small meals. No, thanks. Also, he stressed that if you don't eat 30 grams of protein within an hour of rising you could be compromising your metabolism. Hmmm, I have to beg to differ. But to each their own!
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Hi everyone. OP here. Haven't been on this site in a while but just wanted to update that I'm still successfully losing weight combining NoS with 5:2 IF. No snacking is second nature to me now and giving my digestion a break simply feels normal. I'm now 4 lbs away from goal. To maintain I'll continue NoSing and will adapt my fasting patterns as I really enjoy fasting once or twice a week so don't want to give that up (I'll simply have to eat more).
Start BMI 36, current BMI 19, goal BMI 19.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
I tried incorporating 16/8 IF two non-consecutive days a week. I did not find it easy at all. I felt myself dreading those days. A few weeks later, I had some of the biggest fails on N days that I've had in a year and a half. At the time, they seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't know if they were related or not, but I gave it up. I might try again when I'm on break from teaching and have more discretion over my meal times, but otherwise, sticking with Vanilla.
I don't think anyone can declare a diet easy for anyone else. Some things are easiER, possibly. Motivation, belief, and other individual elements play into the equation. One thing we know: most people fail to adhere to traditional diets in the long term. I don't care how much weight I can lose on any regime if I don't think I'll be doing it two years from now.
I applaud your making the IF mod work! I certainly think it's better than most of what's out there.
I don't think anyone can declare a diet easy for anyone else. Some things are easiER, possibly. Motivation, belief, and other individual elements play into the equation. One thing we know: most people fail to adhere to traditional diets in the long term. I don't care how much weight I can lose on any regime if I don't think I'll be doing it two years from now.
I applaud your making the IF mod work! I certainly think it's better than most of what's out there.
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
I tried the 5:2 method of IF and found it incredibly difficult. It was those three small meals. I then tried Eat, Stop, Eat and found it to be much easier. Who knew not eating wasn't difficult? Or, at least was less difficult than eating small meals. I've not tried 16/8, but I think it would have been incredibly difficult to do when I was still working. I had little control over when (or if!!) I ate. Plus, some of my shifts were 10-12 hours, so I could have planned to eat, but not been able to eat.oolala53 wrote:I tried incorporating 16/8 IF two non-consecutive days a week. I did not find it easy at all. I felt myself dreading those days. A few weeks later, I had some of the biggest fails on N days that I've had in a year and a half. At the time, they seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't know if they were related or not, but I gave it up. I might try again when I'm on break from teaching and have more discretion over my meal times, but otherwise, sticking with Vanilla.
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I've gotten away from IF, but want to restart. I felt better when I was doing it.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
I've had some 24-hour fasts come on on weekends between Saturday dinner and Sunday dinner naturally and just went with them. But planned not eating for that length of time feels exactly like dieting did to me. Vanilla never has felt quite the same, even if there were tough times. Maybe I'll get that way about IF at some point.
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
wosnes, my method of 5:2 is like ESE: 1 single meal (at night) in a single 24 hour period, twice a week. 5:2 is the British version of ESE I think but Dr Mosley thought that some people would stick to it more if they knew they could spread out their 500 calories across two or more meals. That doesn't feel like fasting to me, but we all do what suits us.
Start BMI 36, current BMI 19, goal BMI 19.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
Oolala- 24 hour fasts seem a bit long to me? I do about 19 hours or more daily usually. I started out with 8 hour eating window and 16 hour fast, and then got to 5 hour eating window and 19 hour or more fast. Most people can start with 16/8 pretty easy.
Intermittent Fasting has made my cravings almost non-existant
Intermittent Fasting has made my cravings almost non-existant
SW 218.2 10-14-13
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
Same here. I do about 18 hours a day, and eat in a 6 hour window. The alternate day or 5/2 stuff made me crazy because my days kept changing, and I would dread the low cal days and go nuts the other days. I need consistency.herbsgirl wrote:Oolala- 24 hour fasts seem a bit long to me? I do about 19 hours or more daily usually.
All you can do is all you can do.
Food doesn't make you fat. Too much food makes you fat.
Food doesn't make you fat. Too much food makes you fat.
I'm sorry that fast didn't work for you.oolala53 wrote:I tried incorporating 16/8 IF two non-consecutive days a week. I did not find it easy at all. I felt myself dreading those days. A few weeks later, I had some of the biggest fails on N days that I've had in a year and a half. At the time, they seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't know if they were related or not, but I gave it up. I might try again when I'm on break from teaching and have more discretion over my meal times, but otherwise, sticking with Vanilla.
I don't think anyone can declare a diet easy for anyone else. Some things are easiER, possibly. Motivation, belief, and other individual elements play into the equation. One thing we know: most people fail to adhere to traditional diets in the long term. I don't care how much weight I can lose on any regime if I don't think I'll be doing it two years from now.
I applaud your making the IF mod work! I certainly think it's better than most of what's out there.
The good news is that based on your meal schedule, you may be fasting already.
A fast doesn't have to be 24 hrs. straight. You can get the benefits of fasting by daily mini-fasts of at least 12 hours. Finish dinner at 6:30 pm and breakfast next day at 6;30 am, you got a fast. Finish breakfast at 7:00 am, skip lunch and eat dinner at 7:00 pm, another fast. This type of fasting - 2 meals separated by 12 hours on most days of the week - will give you all the fasting benefits.
Good luck!
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
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I guess that's why they call it "BREAK-FAST!" !!! Good thing, too, because I had exactly oolala's experience of trying IF for awhile and ending up with big-old binges in response. Still love it in theory, but love vanilla in theory and in practice.
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6
4/21 - 25.2
8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6
4/21 - 25.2
I do sometimes aim for the 12-hour break, and that isn't hard except that I likes my milky coffee early in da mornin' so I don't often make it.
I hear the typical Greek breakfast is coffee and a cigarette. However, they aren't known for their lithe physiques. Just slightly lower average BMI than the U.S. I guess they make up for it the rest of the day.
I think if I could have a schedule that allowed for a relaxed meal late morning and dinner over by 7:30 p.m., eating just two meals, I'd get into it and be fine. I don't like trying to fit three meals into a small number of hours. I'm not hungry enough in the right amount of time. Not ready (financially) to quit my job yet to do it. Gotta buy that lottery ticket!
I hear the typical Greek breakfast is coffee and a cigarette. However, they aren't known for their lithe physiques. Just slightly lower average BMI than the U.S. I guess they make up for it the rest of the day.
I think if I could have a schedule that allowed for a relaxed meal late morning and dinner over by 7:30 p.m., eating just two meals, I'd get into it and be fine. I don't like trying to fit three meals into a small number of hours. I'm not hungry enough in the right amount of time. Not ready (financially) to quit my job yet to do it. Gotta buy that lottery ticket!
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Quite frankly, given your tremendous success (from 30.8 to 23. if I were you I would stick to what's worked for you.oolala53 wrote:I do sometimes aim for the 12-hour break, and that isn't hard except that I likes my milky coffee early in da mornin' so I don't often make it.
I hear the typical Greek breakfast is coffee and a cigarette. However, they aren't known for their lithe physiques. Just slightly lower average BMI than the U.S. I guess they make up for it the rest of the day.
I think if I could have a schedule that allowed for a relaxed meal late morning and dinner over by 7:30 p.m., eating just two meals, I'd get into it and be fine. I don't like trying to fit three meals into a small number of hours. I'm not hungry enough in the right amount of time. Not ready (financially) to quit my job yet to do it. Gotta buy that lottery ticket!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
But if you give IF a shot, just be ready to revert to your "system" which has given you excellent results.
You literally have an embarrassment of riches. I only wish I was in your shoes.
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
- Vince Lombardi
Sometimes you need to take one step back for every two steps forward.
Time heals everything!
90% of a diet is 60% mental
Did you buy the ticket that was sold in CA?oolala53 wrote:Gotta buy that lottery ticket!
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."
I am doing Intermittent fasting for health reasons too.
--It is helping me detox from depresion medication and taper my medicationwith minimizing the side effects..IF renwes brain cells.
--It is helping my mood! Without all the ups and downs of my blood sugar, my mood stays much more stable
--It has many health benefits that are not weight loss related. IF is very good for you!
--It has taken my cravings to binge and eat sugar foods down from a 10 to a 1 or less. This is HUGE!
--It is helping me detox from depresion medication and taper my medicationwith minimizing the side effects..IF renwes brain cells.
--It is helping my mood! Without all the ups and downs of my blood sugar, my mood stays much more stable
--It has many health benefits that are not weight loss related. IF is very good for you!
--It has taken my cravings to binge and eat sugar foods down from a 10 to a 1 or less. This is HUGE!
SW 218.2 10-14-13
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
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I've been doing 16/8 the last 5 days more to give my digestive system a break as I have a lot of digestion issues and hopefully help with weight loss as well. I'm combining this with no s to make sure I don't overeat during the eating window and hoping to do this most days. Have tried this in the past without no s and lost nothing so hoping the combination will work.
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This thread is an example of why I love this place.
Some people do 16/8 or 5:2 or 24 hr fasts. Some people haven't had success fasting and have decided it's not for them.
No matter what the outcome, everyone is supportive, no "My way is better" or "You didn't do it right".
Our community rocks!
Some people do 16/8 or 5:2 or 24 hr fasts. Some people haven't had success fasting and have decided it's not for them.
No matter what the outcome, everyone is supportive, no "My way is better" or "You didn't do it right".
Our community rocks!
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Yeswalkerlori wrote:This thread is an example of why I love this place.
Some people do 16/8 or 5:2 or 24 hr fasts.
Some people haven't had success fasting and have decided it's not for them.
No matter what the outcome, everyone is supportive,
no "My way is better" or "You didn't do it right".
Our community rocks!
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BrightAngel - (Dr. Collins)
See: DietHobby. com
See: DietHobby. com
exercising while Intermittent Fasting helps depression and other stuff like that
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitnes ... rcise.aspx
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitnes ... rcise.aspx
Exercising While Fasting May Be a Relative Fountain of Youth
Exercise and fasting together also yields acute oxidative stress, which actually benefits your muscle. According to fitness expert Ori Hofmekler, acute states of oxidative stress are:
" … essential for keeping your muscle machinery tuned. Technically, acute oxidative stress makes your muscle increasingly resilient to oxidative stress; it stimulates glutathione and SOD [superoxide dismutase, the first antioxidant mobilized by your cells for defense] production in your mitochondria along with increased muscular capacity to utilize energy, generate force and resist fatigue.
Hence, exercise and fasting help counteract all the main determinants of muscle aging. But there is something else about exercise and fasting. When combined, they trigger a mechanism that recycles and rejuvenates your brain and muscle tissues."
The mechanism he refers to is triggering genes and growth factors, including brain-derived neurotropic factor (BDNF) and muscle regulatory factors (MRFs), which signal brain stem cells and muscle satellite cells to convert into new neurons and new muscle cells, respectively.
This means that exercise while fasting may actually help to keep your brain, neuro-motors and muscle fibers biologically young. The combined effect of both intermittent fasting and short intense exercise may go way beyond helping you to burn more fat and lose weight; it may help you to:
Turn back the biological clock in your muscle and brain
Boost growth hormone
Improve body composition
Boost cognitive function
Boost testosterone
Prevent depression
SW 218.2 10-14-13
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
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While I have been researching fasting I have found a few articles that say that fasting for women does not provide the benefits it does for men and can be outright dangerous for women which has made me question fasting. What are your guys thoughts on this? (Sorry could not link any articles as I'm typing on iPhone)
I'd like to see the research. I guess it's possible that the differing levels of estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone could make a difference.
I do know that Brad Pilon, the author of Eat Stop Eat, has never talked about a distinction. Then again, he may have never stopped to look. But I'm pretty sure he has female clients.
He is also a big proponent of exercising, specifically lifting heavy weight, while fasting. I think he has said that the exercise is what helps preserve or even build muscle while reducing fat.
Not that we are after this kind of extreme, but here is a look at his bodyfat results over several years of 2 24-hour fasts a week over several years. I've not looked at this site carefully enough to see if he also posts results of blood panels and such, since his book on fasting seems to concentrate a lot on other benefits of fasting besides its ability to assist in reducing bodyfat.
http://www.feelingbetterdaily.com/eat-s ... on-review/
It sounds like he is a rather moderate eater the rest of the time. He emphasizes that after a fast, one needs to just eat regular meals, certainly not believe you need to eat to make up for it. And he doesn't seem to think you need to eat more to build muscle.
Just throwing this out there. I'm not a proponent of aiming at low bodyfat, nor have I bought the book.
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I do know that Brad Pilon, the author of Eat Stop Eat, has never talked about a distinction. Then again, he may have never stopped to look. But I'm pretty sure he has female clients.
He is also a big proponent of exercising, specifically lifting heavy weight, while fasting. I think he has said that the exercise is what helps preserve or even build muscle while reducing fat.
Not that we are after this kind of extreme, but here is a look at his bodyfat results over several years of 2 24-hour fasts a week over several years. I've not looked at this site carefully enough to see if he also posts results of blood panels and such, since his book on fasting seems to concentrate a lot on other benefits of fasting besides its ability to assist in reducing bodyfat.
http://www.feelingbetterdaily.com/eat-s ... on-review/
It sounds like he is a rather moderate eater the rest of the time. He emphasizes that after a fast, one needs to just eat regular meals, certainly not believe you need to eat to make up for it. And he doesn't seem to think you need to eat more to build muscle.
Just throwing this out there. I'm not a proponent of aiming at low bodyfat, nor have I bought the book.
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Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
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oolala I thought it was beneficial as well that's why I started fasting but I guess there's always two sides just to make things complicated for us lol.
here are some links:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/women-an ... z2ow5CerPN
http://www.bulletproofexec.com/a-bad-co ... and-paleo/
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering ... iterature/
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/hea ... n-diabetic
I am aware that a lot of them are paleo based sites so I don't know if following paleo diet and fasting is the problem but I also read somewhere on the leangains site (which I cant find now) that women should fast 14 hours a day and have a 10 hour eating window instead of the 8 hour window that he recommends.
Id be interested in what your opinions are.
here are some links:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/women-an ... z2ow5CerPN
http://www.bulletproofexec.com/a-bad-co ... and-paleo/
http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering ... iterature/
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/hea ... n-diabetic
I am aware that a lot of them are paleo based sites so I don't know if following paleo diet and fasting is the problem but I also read somewhere on the leangains site (which I cant find now) that women should fast 14 hours a day and have a 10 hour eating window instead of the 8 hour window that he recommends.
Id be interested in what your opinions are.
There's an interesting discussion on the thread below:
http://www.52fastdiet.co.uk/the-5-2-lab ... ic974.html
http://www.52fastdiet.co.uk/the-5-2-lab ... ic974.html
Start BMI 36, current BMI 19, goal BMI 19.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
Losing by combining intermittent fasting with NoS.
I do the Fast-5 way of fasting which is Eating within Five Consecutive Hours
Bert Herring, the doctor who started it, responds to questions about affecting females , he talks about The study of one In other words, how does it affect You? Look at your outcome, your test results, how you feel, ect.
Read this whole thread on Facebook for more info
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fastfiv ... 926309771/
Bert Herring, the doctor who started it, responds to questions about affecting females , he talks about The study of one In other words, how does it affect You? Look at your outcome, your test results, how you feel, ect.
Read this whole thread on Facebook for more info
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fastfiv ... 926309771/
SW 218.2 10-14-13
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
1 mo 193.4
2 mo 178.8
3 mo 162.8
4 mo 151.4
5 mo 146.2
72 lbs lost in 19 wks 5' 6.5" 31 years old BMI 23.1
counting bites go to: countyourbites . blogspot . com
Possible health gains or losses can be used to defend some pretty outrageous lifestyles.
I'm not convinced there are worthy health benefits to going much outside No S, with the inevitable exceptions. And weighing less may not add anything to the mix. Neither is my ultimate goal.
IF is on the back burner for me no matter what health benefits are claimed.
I'm not convinced there are worthy health benefits to going much outside No S, with the inevitable exceptions. And weighing less may not add anything to the mix. Neither is my ultimate goal.
IF is on the back burner for me no matter what health benefits are claimed.
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
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I agree with you oolala. I think I'm going to put it on the back burner for now too as I'm just finding it too diety to do 16:8 everyday and I'm like you am not 100 percent convinced it's the way to go. For now I'll just do no s and wait to eat breakfast till when hungry whether that's as soon as I get up or hours later.
I want to say I do understand the allure for those who've been faithful to No S but not had the results they would like. I think it's much more preferable to
calorie limits, swearing off foods, or the versions of it offered by most of the diet industry. But the theory of it being easy just wasn't true for me. It was very unpleasant; I didn't feel better enough to justify the effort.
I'm a little envious of those who are finding it doable and even enjoyable. More power to you!
calorie limits, swearing off foods, or the versions of it offered by most of the diet industry. But the theory of it being easy just wasn't true for me. It was very unpleasant; I didn't feel better enough to justify the effort.
I'm a little envious of those who are finding it doable and even enjoyable. More power to you!
Count plates, not calories. 11 years "during"
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
Age 69
BMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8 3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (flux) 3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux 6/20 22
1/21-23
There is no S better than Vanilla No S (mods now as a senior citizen)
A friend recommended IF after hearing it on NPR:
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014- ... -fasting-0
I looked into anything science-y about it and came across this, which I didn't see linked in the discussion here anywhere:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealt ... iet-work-/
Bill
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014- ... -fasting-0
I looked into anything science-y about it and came across this, which I didn't see linked in the discussion here anywhere:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealt ... iet-work-/
Bill
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Intermittent fasting
Just want to say that I fell off the No-S diet bandwagon for the lure of low-carb, but it made me miserable!
I have since returned to a modified version of No-S, which incorporates intermittent fasting. My diet is:
breakfast - hemp protein and soy milk (hemp protein has tons of fiber, which keeps me full)
lunch - big meal of 700-800 calories, including a small dessert if I feel like it. Must contain a protein and a vegetable.
dinner - big meal of 700-800 calories, including a small dessert if I feel like it. Must contain a protein and a vegetable.
On this diet I have lost 5 pounds in the past month, without ever feeling hungry (after the first 2 days, when my stomach complained about not getting its usual parade of low-carb snacks). And my two big, real, meals keep me very satisfied.
I am also a regular Shovelglover.
Gyosho
I have since returned to a modified version of No-S, which incorporates intermittent fasting. My diet is:
breakfast - hemp protein and soy milk (hemp protein has tons of fiber, which keeps me full)
lunch - big meal of 700-800 calories, including a small dessert if I feel like it. Must contain a protein and a vegetable.
dinner - big meal of 700-800 calories, including a small dessert if I feel like it. Must contain a protein and a vegetable.
On this diet I have lost 5 pounds in the past month, without ever feeling hungry (after the first 2 days, when my stomach complained about not getting its usual parade of low-carb snacks). And my two big, real, meals keep me very satisfied.
I am also a regular Shovelglover.
Gyosho