My journey to common sense

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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My journey to common sense

Post by Azalealilac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:52 pm

Hello
I have used No S in the past and like it because it gives me rest about food. I do not have to cut out food groups but can simply eat a plate, be thankful and move on. There is so much confusion in diets and I don't want to spend time worrying about it. So here's to the journey ahead.

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Post by gingerpie » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:56 pm

Hi, Welcome and I hope you find the peace around food that you are seeking.

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Post by Larkspur » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:43 pm

Yes, it's so awesome that way!

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Post by Azalealilac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:23 pm

I am about 200# and nursing almost 1 year old twins. I find if I eat 3 meals with the option for a snack because of nursing I seem to do fine.
I usually have a lot of extra weight to lose after my babies are born. I have 10 children. I have used Fit for Life and McDougall programs. I have also used this No S method a couple times.

B- breakfast casserole- ham, potatoes, eggs, milk, cheese
with a couple low sugar gingerbread cookies and peanut butter.
L-oatmeal w/ peanut butter, chocolate chips and a large marshmallow melted in, apple
Snack-mac n cheese from yesterday
Supper- real Mexican tamale and chili rellenos. Vanilla bean cake
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Post by Azalealilac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:23 pm

Because of reading TunaFishKid's check in thread I went to Facebook and unfollowed certain diet groups I keep reading about. Now I can figure out my real interests in life.

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Post by Azalealilac » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:14 am

I must say I really prefer N days. While the treats on Saturday may seem fun at the time, they leave me unsatisfied at day's end.

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Post by Merry » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:09 am

Welcome! Love that you are finding a way to make No-S work while nursing :-).
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Post by Azalealilac » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:40 am

I suppose it was technically a Green Day. I kept to my rules but I just feel like I eat too much and I need to work on this. I get discouraged that I'll never lose weight but then I make a full plate. Its this fear of not making it through to the next meal. It has bound me so long. But I could just get a snack on account of the babies and make my plate a little less. Its something to work on.

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Post by noni » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:10 pm

Wow...your last set of children make 10 for you! Sounds like a lot of work, but you have a lot of experience, too! Congratulations!
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Post by Azalealilac » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:52 am

Thank you for your kind remarks. Today was our 19th anniversary. We went out for supper to The Bayou. Having visited Louisiana on our honeymoon it was fun to have some food from that area.

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Post by Merry » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:22 am

Happy Anniversary!
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Post by Azalealilac » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:07 am

Good day. The cookies were tempting but I did not eat them. Good bowl of soup for supper. I really enjoy soup.

Got extra projects accomplished besides homeschooling the children. Was amazing to have a good day after a very disrupted night with a sick baby who thankfully was fine today.

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Post by Merry » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:43 am

Azalealilac wrote:Good day. The cookies were tempting but I did not eat them. Good bowl of soup for supper. I really enjoy soup.

Got extra projects accomplished besides homeschooling the children. Was amazing to have a good day after a very disrupted night with a sick baby who thankfully was fine today.
Wow, I'm impressed--great eating day, homeschooling, extra projects, and all on low sleep...you da woman! Awesome job!

I'm glad your baby is feeling better today!
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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:06 am

Thanks, Merry!

I am walking 10 minutes most days having gradually increased from 8 and then 9. I like the fresh air between breakfast and schooltime.

Meals were good. Especially enjoyed homemade pizza tonight and fresh milk from our friend's cow. We are keeping it while they travel for a couple weeks.

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Post by Azalealilac » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:26 am

Today was fun. I had peanut butter oatmeal cookies, peanut butter m&ms, and eggnog.

My husband and I took a trail this afternoon that was about 2 1/2 miles of walking. Loved it but I am definitely not used to that distance. The good part is this trail is not far from my house and maybe I could take the kids and strollers there sometime.

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Post by oolala53 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:35 am

This is a doable plan for you. Please try not to fret about weight. Habits of moderation are more important right now. These will see you in good stead no matter what. Try not to be in a hurry! You have just started. Though research does show that people who lose weight up front do tend to do better in the long run (since they feel motivated to stay with it), it's suspected that is because the ones it takes longer for don't have the patience to keep going. There is little reinforcement from the world without that weight loss. We will hold your hand while you learn to experience the value of this sane way of living.
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Post by Azalealilac » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:56 pm

Been doing great here. Scale numbers shifted downward! It's fairly easy for me to keep to mealtimes and one snack. I've adjusted a bit what type of food I'm eating. I'm still very satisfied. And my twins are 1 year old today!

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:22 am

Celebration all around!
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Post by Azalealilac » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:31 am

Anytime the scale drops numbers so fast I eat more, and can't hold on to the new numbers.

Plan to travel for a full week. I wish I'd keep a bit of No S at least. I feel less happy after the extra sweets today. What if I let go for a full week? I'll be back at 200 or worse.

I can't help what foods are available, so I just hope I retain a bit of sense.

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Post by oolala53 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:37 am

Being out of control over what food we're exposed to is one of the major problems. That's why it's so vital to commit to a way to manage it all, one that doesn't have you constantly deciding in the moment whether it's worth eating or not. If you really see this as your best bet to stem the tide, it will make it easier to stick to your meals.

You really will enjoy your food more when you're eating less of it and less often. But the benefit follows the effort down the line, so early individual days can feel hard. Hang in there!
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Post by Azalealilac » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:43 am

Thanks, that is encouraging!

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Post by Azalealilac » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:04 am

My vacation to see my family went great. Only up 1/2# after trip. Been mostly on track since. Just not that hard to keep the rules with my mod of a snack because of nursing. If I skip that snack after a bit I'm eating at night to catch up so I'd rather just have that snack at 4 or 5:00.

3 kids birthdays last month and 3 this month.

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Post by oolala53 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:36 am

Oh, my word on the birthdays. Are they all YOUR kids?

I sounded so preachy above but I can't resist this:for the parties, summon your inner French woman but without the cigarette. Can you see some casually graceful Parisian woman taking cake every time she's offered it? Zat is for ze cheeldren! Of if she did, it would probably be a slice we would call a mistake we made cutting it, an attempt to even out the angles or something. :wink:
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Post by Azalealilac » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:43 pm

Yup, all mine plus 4 more! Love it!

Im doing okay so far today. Yesterday was a flop. I mean with the snow and cold seemed we needed cookies and hot chocolate. I've always had a problem with cookies not the hot chocolate. Well I will keep on going.

Wonderful snow! -10 degrees this morning. Rare for here. Went sledding with my 18 year old son!

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Post by Azalealilac » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:46 am

Today was good. I feel peaceful about it. Breakfast was a piece of sausage and one egg and a bowl of oatmeal with butter and salt.

Lunch: ground venison/ vegetable soup: carrots, squash, onion, garlic. One piece whole wheat bread with peanut butter.

Snack: 1/2 grapefruit, tablespoon peanut butter w/cayenne pepper

Supper: fresh made Multigrain bread and chili soup

Played in the snow and completed some important tasks.

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Post by Azalealilac » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:36 pm

Refreshed my memory looking over these few posts. So I set out for a brief walk before school. I feel I have not gotten anywhere with the weight loss for months. I will be inspired and work hard at it for about a week lose a couple pounds get sidetracked and go back to where I was. so with my husband's encouragement I'm trying again to mind my portions.

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:34 pm

Hey welcome back!
Here's to some great habit-building weeks ahead for you!
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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:18 am

Thank you!

I did well today except my supper was a bit too big it did not seem to be a meal I could put on one plate and I just kinda forgot to think straight. But hey I had a great afternoon planning my homeschool for the coming week and drinking a big cup of coffee. So much fun just didn't quite think straight at supper.

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:07 pm

One victory at a time. No snacks is a huge step for most of us at first. I still remember having the eureka that before NoS I literally picked at food all day long.
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Post by Azalealilac » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:28 am

Somehow I do reasonably well earlier in the day and overeat in the evening. Not sure how to conquer this. It is Saturday and I had a tea party with my girls. All might have been well if I'd have stopped then but no, I ate more cookies, then I ate supper of course, though I tried to cut back. Ending up with the overfull feeling which is so depressingly familiar.

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Post by Soprano » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:41 pm

Azalealilac wrote:Somehow I do reasonably well earlier in the day and overeat in the evening. Not sure how to conquer this. It is Saturday and I had a tea party with my girls. All might have been well if I'd have stopped then but no, I ate more cookies, then I ate supper of course, though I tried to cut back. Ending up with the overfull feeling which is so depressingly familiar.
If you are following the rules Mon-Fri, go easy on yourself over the weekend, once you have full permission with no guilt to eat what you want at weekends they will slowly moderate themselves....
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Post by Azalealilac » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:23 am

I finally feel better about my eating tonight. I had some lovely chocolate after a good Sunday lunch. I enjoyed my meal tonight with friends and I'm done without overdoing it.

I had at least a 10 minute brisk walk.

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Post by Azalealilac » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:51 am

Good day. I walked briskly and did not have the afternoon snack. I was hungry and glad for supper. Though I have not quite mastered the one plate only, I didn't overeat and I only had 3 meals.

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Post by Azalealilac » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:11 am

I can't call it Green day by No S but I am feeling better about my overall eating. I'll probably get there eventually. I finally feel like my head is in a better place like I could go with less food.

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Post by Azalealilac » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:05 pm

One method of eating promotes plant foods and no fat, and great health and improvement from disease. A complete opposite approach says lots of fat and protein and limited plants, and great health and improvement from disease. Some days I feel confused which food I'm allowed to eat.

Almost the only thing that makes sense is moderation.

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Post by ladybird30 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:07 am

No wonder you are confused. Most ways of eating do limit processed food. Apart from that, and medical issues, IMHO food choices should mainly be governed by taste and digestion. Personally I eat a wide variety of plant foods, meat and any other unprocessed/traditional food that takes my fancy. Most of it is home cooked.
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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:36 am

I have always enjoyed baking. And it has always been my slippery slope. Today we made pans of cinnamon rolls for friends who have a death in the family. The caramel icing was so good. But later I feel let down like why can't I just have one tomorrow like planned instead of tasting icing tonight.

Someone else mentioned saving the S day treat for afternoon/evening. I like to start out my S days normally but have my extra treats later on. Just seems more satisfying.

But I haven't been keeping sweets to the weekend. My husband wants to lower his sugar intake and neither the kids nor I need that stuff. Why then do we keep making it during the week? I really want to lower the amount of food I am eating. I could do a lot better than I am. Automatedeating is writing so many inspiring posts.

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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:39 am

Thank you ladybird, I think too it is the cutting out of the processed food more than it is exactly which food group is eaten. I just followed a certain plant based diet so long I have trouble thinking it's truly best to go ahead and eat meat and fat.

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Post by lpearlmom » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:26 am

I was listening to a podcast the other day that was talking about the benefits of keto but they said some people do really well on low-fat higher carb. I guess we all just have to figure out what works best for us. I think everyone can agree on low sugar and minimum processed foods at least.
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Post by automatedeating » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:23 pm

Hi Azalea! Don't be too discouraged; we all have to find our way (and then OMG we have to find it again, and then find it again...... -- your title of "journey" is so true!)

I noticed that you return to the theme of being a bit confused about the best eating style (you even mentioned in your very first post back in December!). 100 years ago none of us would have to ever stress about "which" foods are OK to eat, or not. It's a modern-life stress, unfortunately. Sort of the flip to not having enough food to satisfy, we have TOO much food to satisfy. Weird!

Anyway, I think you should settle on what you can live with for, say, the next year. Vanilla NoS is pretty awesome for most of us for the first year or two, definitely (in my case, 4 years). Have you seen the crap I was eating 5 years ago? I was definitely eating like a teenager, as was pretty apparent to all. I refused to make adjustments until I could do it without being resentful. So....all that to say you should figure out what YOU are willing to do long-term on your N Days (and of course leave your S Days for wild abandon until you have N Days straightened out). Try that out for a few weeks, and see how it feels. We are all here to support whatever you choose. This forum is amazing for me, whether I'm eating McDonald's every other day, or trying to avoid processed foods. So. Baby steps. Just do what you feel confident you can stick to right now. Not what you think you SHOULD be able to stick to. Ya know?
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Post by ladybird30 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:04 am

automatedeating wrote: Just do what you feel confident you can stick to right now. Not what you think you SHOULD be able to stick to. Ya know?
I agree, it is better to start where you are than where you would like to be.
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Post by Azalealilac » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:59 pm

Right now the goal is to eat a bit less and lose 1# a week, checked on Sunday morning. And I did this week!

I do try to watch how much sugar I have.

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Post by Azalealilac » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:51 pm

I don't know what to say. Think I'm being reasonable with food but not getting results. So I guess one thing is keep on, next thing notice a bit what is out of hand.

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:11 pm

I haven't followed your whole story, but may I ask what kind of results you are expecting?

It can be shocking how much less food any particular person might need to eat if weight loss is a goal. I didn't do this to lose, even though I was at the low end of obesity when I started- though I didn't grow up overweight-, but I did lose over time. I sometimes ate very small meals or had very light S days just because my hunger had receded. I'm sure I had and have days under 1,200 calories at times, or even lower. It was and is not always easy because I can still have the desire to eat more than I'm truly hungry for, but I don't often feel good later.

Unless people are very active or naturally have fast metabolisms, which is not that common, they often need less than they think.

Perhaps for a short time, you could track your calories just to see.

If some or all of this flies in the face of posts you've already made, please ignore and forgive me!
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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:49 pm

I want to lose a # a week. Not 3 this week and then gain it right back.

I want to gradually get rid of about 20#.

I am nursing a 21 month old. I'm sure this factors in to how much food I think I need. I wish I could gradually take a little less and realize I am okay and did not suffer to much to be a bit hungry.

I have had panic about food for so long. I hardly know a sensible way to think. My friend keeps reminding me of how hungry she always is when she nurses. I know that I can't be too extreme. It just seems I could learn to do with a bit less.

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Post by oolala53 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:47 pm

No matter what all the stuff on the net says about what is theoretically possible, it is actually not common to consistently lose a pound a week in a steady way on any diet. Weight goes down and up and down, etc. Eventually there are standstills until a sustainable balance between eating and expenditure is reached and this may not be at a weight that fits the media standard.

The best advice I can give is to try to eat rather similar amounts of food a day for a few weeks and then see what dense food you might be willing to cut back on. I know I could weigh less by restricting the amount and type of food I do, but I know I'm not willing to live that way, so I live with the result.

No matter what, the No S foundation is a good way to manage the excessive availability of food in our culture!
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Post by Azalealilac » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Thank you for your encouragement!

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Post by ladybird30 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:27 am

If you read the posts from other nursing mothers, you will see that being hungry a lot is quite common.

How fast we lose weight is not really under our conscious control for most people, except perhaps in the very short term. If our weight was under our conscious control, none of us would be here. But we can exert some control over our behaviour. And if we focus on cutting out excess food rather than restricting to achieve some arbitrary goal, our body will settle to the weight that is right for it. At least, that is the belief I try to live by.
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Post by oolala53 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:34 pm

In fact, our weight is controlled about 70% by mechanisms in the body beyond our control. (I wish I could find the reference for that. It was in the book The Hungry Brain.

Even if we stopped eating completely, we would have no control over how fast the body burned up its fuels. It would at some point slow way down to prolong life, and it would likely FEEL even longer!

Let's hope finding the eating balance you need is more fun than that.


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Post by Azalealilac » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:50 pm

Yesterday afternoon we needed to go for some furniture. Our crockpot of food was not ready so we went for the furniture and then ate when we got back 2 hours later. At first I thought we would need to buy some lunch but then we had eaten out often lately and husband said we can just eat when we get back. I was very happy afterwards that we got the beautiful furniture and I could actually survive just fine to eat at 2:45 instead of 12:30. It was a very good experience because when you live in panic for so long that if you don't eat you'll have low blood sugar and not survive. I just can't wait to eat, etc. Then here and there your meal is delayed for various reasons and you actually make out fine and feel good and you know that it's just anxiety and not true need. It's so helpful to see that I can do it.

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Post by oolala53 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:40 pm

If humans truly needed to eat every few hours, none of us would be here, because our ancestors wouldn’t have survived. I figure I have a veritable snacks store on the inside especially around my hips and thighs. The ultimate convenience store!
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
Age 65
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

There is no S better than Vanilla No S.

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Post by Azalealilac » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:18 pm

That is good thinking, Oolala!

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