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Fat or Carbs: Which is Worse? (and more)

Post by wosnes » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:50 pm

It's no wonder we're confused about what to eat -- and what to avoid.

I received this article by Dr. Andrew Weil on Friday. This arrived Tuesday.

If you want to get even more confused, or amused, read the comments to Weil's article. I think both of the doctors are at least partially right.

Dr. Weil isn't saying that all grains are bad, just the "processed, quick-digesting carbohydrates -- especially added sugars." He's also not saying that we should eat foods high in saturated fat as desired or in unlimited quantities -- just that there's no reason to fear them as we have in the past.

Dr. McDougall is right that carbs have been -- and still are in many cases -- the primary food throughout the world. He's also right that a few groups of people have existed primarily on animal foods high in saturated fat. He does neglect to say that those people have been equally as healthy as those who have grains as their primary food. Although it's not addressed in this article, he tends to downplay the importance of vegetables not only in our diets, but in the diets of the various groups of people around the world. They're definitely second in importance to grains.

I don't think saturated fat is bad; I don't think grains, even some refined grains, are bad. Just over a year ago Martha Rose Shulman wrote the following about rice in her column in The New York Times:
I don't share the current national aversion to white rice. True, nutritionists prefer brown rice because the high fiber content slows down the carbohydrate absorption rate. But you can get the same benefit by combining rice with high-fiber vegetables and legumes.
I feel the same way about white flour and some white flour products. But many people don't combine white rice or white flour products with vegetables and legumes.

Dr. Weil mentioned his Anti-Inflammatory Food Pyramid in the article. I first read about the anti-inflammatory diet several years ago in his book Healthy Aging: A Lifelong Guide to Your Well-Being. It sounded very much like the Mediterranean diet, so I skipped over it. I came across it somewhere else and my interest was piqued, in part because of something else I've wondered about. Here's more about The Anti-Inflammatory Diet.

I've read a lot about the Mediterranean diet. One thing that fascinated me was that the Greeks have had very low rates of heart disease, stroke and some cancers, but they smoke -- a LOT. I've always wondered how that could be. It's possible that their diet is protective against the harmful effects of smoking, even though cigarette smoke causes inflammation.

I suspect that the overly refined and processed foods, fast foods, faux foods, trans-fats, chemicals and some vegetable oils increase inflammation in our bodies leading to heart disease and so on. What I think is bad, especially here in the US, is that so much of the daily diet is based on these foods, with a notable absence of vegetables and fruits -- with the exception of potatoes in the form of French fries! The vegetables and fruits are probably the foods that most fight inflammation.

I don't think food is the only thing that contributes to the inflammation -- other chemicals and such in our environment probably does as well. But food is one of the easiest things for us to control.
"That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do. Not that the nature of the thing itself has changed but our power to do it is increased." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"You are what you eat -- so don't be Fast, Easy, Cheap or Fake."

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Post by reinhard » Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:58 am

I'm in the Mediterranean as I write (Madrid, Viva España! -- and Alemagna, too), but with due respect to the somewhat portly Dr. Weil, I am reinforced in my view that what matters in terms of weight control is not stuff, but structure: EAT MEALS, like people do in España, and everywhere else where people are still thin.

By all means, eat real food. It tastes better and it nourishes the soul. But also (and even more importantly) eat it at meals. That simple structure will not only push you to eat less, but also to eat better. It's the 80% solution that sets you up for the last 20%. Buying organic, locally grown, whatever will no longer seem cost-prohibitive and inconvenient once you're eating that much less of it. Do not obsess about that last 20% until you've got mealing down, however seductively interesting it may seem. Your reward for setting up a meal-based eating pattern is getting to obsess about what constitutes those meals.

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Dr. Weil is somewhat portly isn't he?

Post by amarbach » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:39 am

reinhard wrote:I'm in the Mediterranean as I write (Madrid, Viva España! -- and Alemagna, too), but with due respect to the somewhat portly Dr. Weil, I am reinforced in my view that what matters in terms of weight control is not stuff, but structure: EAT MEALS, like people do in España, and everywhere else where people are still thin.

By all means, eat real food. It tastes better and it nourishes the soul. But also (and even more importantly) eat it at meals. That simple structure will not only push you to eat less, but also to eat better. It's the 80% solution that sets you up for the last 20%. Buying organic, locally grown, whatever will no longer seem cost-prohibitive and inconvenient once you're eating that much less of it. Do not obsess about that last 20% until you've got mealing down, however seductively interesting it may seem. Your reward for setting up a meal-based eating pattern is getting to obsess about what constitutes those meals.

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I have noticed that as well. He always wears dark or black clothing (in pictures) to conceal it I suppose. It always amuses me to see chunky people promoting diet books - like Dr. Phil.
Lucky you Reinhard - to be in Spain! Is everyone there nuts over yesterday's game?

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Post by reinhard » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:20 pm

Yeah, it's a little crazy!

I have a day and a half left if anyone has any last minute urban ranger suggestions:

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6603

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Post by Over43 » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:53 am

Dr. Weil, my parents are into Dr. Oz right now. I'm going to poke myself in the eye if they bring his name up again. I'm not going to get into a huge debate, but I think "carbs", in the way most Westerners ingest the: soda, doughnut, Cap n' Crunch, ice cream, are no bueno. And that is a significant part of what "we" eat up.

I like what Reinhard typed: Structure.

I find nothing wrong with a dinner of steak and a salad. In fact I eat that often. With a slice of sourdough. But as soon as I start IV'ing the 44 oz. Cokes on my way to work, I'm in big trouble.

Personally I do believe in the reality of Syndrome X (metabolic disease).

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Post by reinhard » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:18 pm

Wosnes,

I was just looking over my reply to your original post and in retrospect it looks a little FORCEFUL (not to mention tangential) -- I hope you realize that not even the slightest particle of that was directed against you. If it seemed otherwise, please accept my sincere apology.

Best,

Reinhard

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