Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by oolala53 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:35 pm

Great news.
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
Age 65
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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Post by simmstone » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:57 pm

Thanks, oolala!
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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Re: October 2018

Post by simmstone » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:05 am

October 2018

Notes: I am still finishing the last of 4 consecutive 21 day challenges, but not really noting that here. At this point, I no longer need them, really - I have truly made the transition to having No S as my 'default, don't even think about it' behavior. I am really loving the ease and effortlessness around my eating habits/thoughts right now!!

Weigh in will happen on the last Friday or Saturday morning of each month, or first Friday or Saturday of the following month (about every 4-5 weeks).

Mon, 10/1 - Success
Tues, 10/2 - Success, Weight Training (Chest, Biceps)
Wed, 10/3 - Success, Weight Training (Back, Triceps)
Thurs, 10/4 - Success
Fri, 10/5 - Failure
Sat 10/6 - S DAY
Sun 10/7 - S DAY
Mon, 10/8 - Success, Weight Training (Chest, Biceps)
Tues, 10/9 - Success, Walking (3 miles)
Wed, 10/10 - Success, Weight Training (Back, Shoulders, Triceps)
Thurs, 10/11 - Success, Walking (4 miles), weight: 234
Note: This is the end of my 12 week No S challenge and it went great! I'm going to take a vacation for the next 12 days, and will return to No S when I get back.

Fri, 10/12 - Sun, 10/28 - VACATION - S and NWS DAYS

Vacation is over. Ready to get back at it! 8)

Mon, 10/29 - Success
Tues, 10/30 - Success, Weight Training (Chest, Biceps)
Wed, 10/31 - NWS Day
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Post by oolala53 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:15 am

Lovely to hear it.
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
Age 65
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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Post by ladybird30 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:34 am

Glad to see that your are doing well.
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November 2018

Post by simmstone » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:47 pm

November 2018

Notes: Mid-October through the end of December is always a challenging time of year for me to think about weight loss, so I'm not even contemplating that. My simple goal, now, is to maintain 80% No S compliance during the remaining holiday season, take a break from journaling (just use HabitCal) and then I'll consider starting another 12 week No S challenge from January - March (which always tends to be a period of the year where my No S compliance is excellent).
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Post by oolala53 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:30 pm

I agree with your outlook.
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
Age 65
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

There is no S better than Vanilla No S.

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January 2019

Post by simmstone » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:15 pm

January 2019

I really enjoyed the holidays!

I took the month of December 'off' from being too strict with No S rules. I wasn't worried too about gaining weight over the holidays... I knew that I probably would. My goals were to relax, have fun, and just be somewhat reasonable in my eating (i.e. No binge eating, and I didn't eat EVERY Christmas cookie offered to me, but I enjoyed the ones that looked the best during the occasions where it felt appropriate). In my experience, allowing myself freedom during the holidays helps with my compliance during the 11 other months of the year. I have no doubt that I will get right back to No S - ironically, I'm ready to have some general guidelines again as I find 'free-range- eating far less satisfying than I used to.

Onward to 2019 and another year of successful moderation!

Tues, 1/1 - NWS Day
Wed, 1/2 - Failure
Th, 1/3 - Success
Fri, 1/4 - Success
Sat, 1/5 and Sun 1/6 - S Days
Mon, 1/7 - Success
Tues, 1/8 - Success
Wed, 1/9 - Success
Th, 1/10 - Success
Fri, 1/11 - Failure
Sat 1/12 & Sun 1/13 - S Days
Mon, 1/14 - Success
Tues, 1/15 - Success
Wed, 1/16 - Failure
Th, 1/17 - Failure
Fri, 1/18 - Success
Sat 1/19 & Sun 1/20 - S Days
Mon, 1/21 - NWS Day
Tues, 1/22 - Success
Wed, 1/23 - Success
Th, 1/24 - Success
Fri, 1/25 - Success
Sat 1/26 & Sun 1/27 - S Days
Mon, 1/28 - NWS Day (my birthday... had one piece of cake :D )
Tues, 1/29 - Success
Wed, 1/30 - Success
Th, 1/31 - Success
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Post by Soprano » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:55 pm

I was quite relaxed over the festive period and only gained a small amount being am now keen to get back in routine.

Good luck

Jx
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Post by simmstone » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Thanks, Soprano! Good luck to you, as well!
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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February 2019

Post by simmstone » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:59 pm

February 2019

It was nice to get back into the swing of things in January, though the month was far from perfect.

Now, on to February and even better compliance than last month!

Fri 2/1: Success
Sat 2/2 & Sun 2/3: S Days
Mon 2/4: Success
Tues 2/5: Success
Wed 2/6: Success
Thurs 2/7: Success
Fri 2/8: Success
Sat 2/9 & Sun 2/10: S Days
Mon 2/11: Success
Tues 2/12: Success
Wed 2/13: Success
Thurs 2/14: Success
Fri 2/15: Fail - ordered unplanned dessert (my favorite!) after dinner at restaurant, but it was totally delicious and totally worth it! :D
Sat 2/16 & Sun 2/17: S Days
Mon 2/18: Success
Tues 2/19: Success
Wed 2/20: Success
Thurs 2/21: Success
Fri 2/22: NWS Day - one piece of cake at birthday party for our God-son. Pre-decided on this when I found out about the event last week. The cake was outstanding!
Sat 2/23 & Sun 2/24: S Days
Mon 2/25: Success
Tues 2/26: Success
Wed 2/27: Fail - Unplanned dinner with friends at a Mexican restaurant. Chips for appetizers, plate of food for dinner, then a dessert. Really delicious!
Thurs 2/28: Success
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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by Whosonfirst » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:50 pm

I wish my Feb. looked that good. Nice going.
Weekly goal = Five Green days in a row. I do a BMI check by looking in a mirror.
Orig. SW(7/2016)= 226/ SW(reboot) =217-3/7/2018
Current Wt= 210 -8/2018
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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by simmstone » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:27 am

Thanks, Whosonfirst.

January was tougher than I thought it would be, and February has been a bit easier... I think so many years of No S have taught me to just keep going and know that there will be ups and downs.

The big switch for me happened about mid-way through last year, when it seemed I finally just started enjoying the process of NO S, rather than focusing on any kind of results (weight loss). Since then, compliance has been easier because I actually get more pleasure out of eating when I am compliant with eating 3 plates per day than when I’m not. It turns out that pleasure (as Reinhard noted in the No S book) has been the best motivator that I’ve encountered for sticking to No S.

Wishing you much success in the remainder of February and beyond!
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

It turns out that pleasure (as Reinhard noted in the No S book) has been the best motivator that I’ve encountered for sticking to No S.
Great point.
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:57 pm

I agree, great point.

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March 2018

Post by simmstone » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:53 pm

Well, February went pretty darn well. I'll do a 'quarterly report' at the end of March, but, so far, my compliance-to-date in 2019 is over 80%! So I'm going to try to make March another month of solid compliance!

March 2018

* Fri 3/1 - Fail
Sat 3/2 & Sun 3/3 - S Days
Mon 3/4 - Success
Tues 3/5 - Success
Wed 3/6 - Success
Thurs 3/7 - Success
Fri 3/8 - Success
Sat 3/9 & Sun 3/10 - S Days
Mon 3/11 - Success
Tues 3/12 - Success
Wed 3/13 - Success
Thurs 3/14 - Success
* Fri 3/15 - Fail
Sat 3/16 & Sun 3/17 - S Days
Mon 3/18 - Success
Tues 3/19 - Success
Wed 3/20 - Success
Thurs 3/21 - NWS Day - Dinner at friends house tonight that has been planned for a few weeks. My friend's wife is making her special Oooey Gooey Butter Cake. And I will be having some!
* Fri 3/22 - Fail
Sat 3/23 & Sun 3/24 - S Days
Mon 3/25 - Sun 3/31 - Failure and S Days - Got some unexpected medical news. Didn't handle it very well... which doesn't mean I went crazy with my eating, but I just decided to take a break from eating rules or any kind during this time.

* I’ve noticed a tendency in myself this year to go out to eat on Friday nights and have unplanned snacks/seconds/desserts... I need to tighten that up, moving forward.
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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by automatedeating » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Great news, Simmstone! Hope March is wonderful for you!
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by simmstone » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:53 pm

Thanks, automatedeating! Same to you!
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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April 2019

Post by simmstone » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:43 pm

Quarterly Report - No S compliance rate for 1/1/19-3/31/19 (via Habit Cal): 76.3%

My goal is 80% for the year, but a late March slide put me below that for the first quarter of 2019.
I need to ramp up my compliance this quarter.

April 2019

Mon 4/1 - Sun 4/7 - NWS Days - vacation
Mon 4/8: Success
Tues 4/9: Success
Wed 4/10: Success
Thurs 4/11: Success
Fri 4/12 - Sun 4/21: Failure and S Days

I have been in a rough patch lately, no doubt about it. Time to dig in and get back on track!

Mon 4/22: Success, Walking (3 miles)
Tues 4/23: Success, Weight Training
Wed 4/24: Success, Walking (3 miles)
Thurs 4/25: Success, Weight Training
Fri 4/26: Success, Walking (3 miles)
Sat 4/27 & Sun 4/28: S Days
Mon 4/29: Success
Tues 4/30: Success
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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by ChandaLikePanda » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:41 pm

I just read through your entire thread. Amazing! You're doing so well. I noticed that you stopped posting your weight results, is there a reason? Maybe I missed it. Last I saw, you had gone down to 238.
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Starting Weight: 191
Current Weight: 186.2
Goal Weight: Ultimately 115-120, but we'll see what happens.

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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by simmstone » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:19 pm

Hi ChandaLikePanda,

I stopped tracking it because it wasn't bringing me any additional pleasure or quality of life, which is really why I follow No S now.

For many years, weight loss was the goal. But, over time, compliance has become it's own virtue to me - I just really like how I feel mentally and physically when I adhere to 3 meals a day. This is now my primary driver for maintaining my No S habits.

That being said, my weight is about the same as it was when I stopped tracking, even after some extended periods of red days due to stressful health circumstances that came up recently (but even those 'red days' weren't binge-a-thons... I just slacked on snacking/sweets a bit).

But, now that those circumstances have passed, I find I naturally want to go back to No S - not to lose more weight (if that happens, then fine), but because I enjoy life and food more when I eat 3 meals a day most of the time :)

It took a long time for me to get into this mindset, but it is the most wonderful outcome I ever could have hoped for.
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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May 2019

Post by simmstone » Wed May 01, 2019 3:07 pm

Finished April strong and looking to keep to momentum going in May. My compliance rate the first 4 months of 2019 is currently at 73%, so my goal of 80% compliance for the year is definitely still in reach, though I'm behind a bit... but solid green May will help!

May 2019

Wed 5/1: Success
Thurs 5/2: Success
Fri 5/3: Success
Sat 5/4 & Sun 5/5: S Days
Mon 5/6: Fail
Tues 5/7: Fail
Wed 5/8: Fail
Thurs 5/9: Fail
Fri 5/10: Success
Sat 5/11 & Sun 5/12: S Days
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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by oolala53 » Thu May 02, 2019 5:46 pm

I read through to catch up after hearing from you on the general board. Sounds good! I'm feeling May is going to be a good month for me, too. I've been slip siding (worse, really) all over the place and I think/hope I'm tired of it enough. (Though I have thought I was in the past, and then... :evil: )

I take it what you consider food addict behaviors aren't really part of your habits anymore. Bravo! It will take awhile for me to be able to say that. I almost can't imagine it, given that I often let myself off the hook on S days, even at my late stage of No S-ing.

Weight loss was never the focus for me; the right mix of foods and amounts for pleasure WAS. I found it for a few years and then it stopped working. Nothing to do but keep experimenting. Meal-based eating is still a major element of it. It's almost a miracle that I weigh less than I did in high school, though tests show I'm quite a bit "fluffier."

I'm on your side!
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
Age 65
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

There is no S better than Vanilla No S.

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Re: Simmstone's 'Obsessive Moderation'

Post by simmstone » Mon May 13, 2019 5:15 pm

I need something to light a fire under me, so I think it is time for a 12 Week No S challenge (goal - 100% compliance with Vanilla No S rules). I leave for a vacation on August 4th, so the timing of this will be perfect. Let's go!

Week 1
Mon 5/13: Success, Walked 3 miles
Tues 5/14: Success, Weight Training
Wed 5/15: NWS Day
Thurs 5/16: Success, Walked 3 miles
Fri 5/17: NWS Day, Weight Training
Sat 5/18 & Sun 5/19: S Days

Week 2
Mon 5/20: Success, Walked 3 miles
Tues 5/21: Success, Weight Training
Wed 5/22: Walked 3 miles
Thurs 5/23:
Fri 5/24:
Sat 5/25 & Sun 5/26: S Days

Week 3
Mon 5/27: NWS Day
Tues 5/28:
Wed 5/29:
Thurs 5/30:
Fri 5/31:
Sat 6/1 & Sun 6/2: S Days

Week 4
Mon 6/3:
Tues 6/4:
Wed 6/5:
Thurs 6/6:
Fri 6/7:
Sat 6/8 & Sun 6/9: S Days

Week 5
Mon 6/10:
Tues 6/11:
Wed 6/12:
Thurs 6/13:
Fri 6/14:
Sat 6/15 & Sun 6/16: S Days

Week 6
Mon 6/17:
Tues 6/18:
Wed 6/19:
Thurs 6/20:
Fri 6/21:
Sat 6/22 & Sun 6/23: S Days

Week 7
Mon 6/24:
Tues 6/25:
Wed 6/26:
Thurs 6/27:
Fri 6/28:
Sat 6/29 & Sun 6/30: S Days

Week 8
Mon 7/1:
Tues 7/2:
Wed 7/3:
Thurs 7/4: NWS Day
Fri 7/5:
Sat 7/6 & Sun 7/7: S Days

Week 9
Mon 7/8:
Tues 7/9:
Wed 7/10:
Thurs 7/11:
Fri 7/12:
Sat 7/13 & Sun 7/14: S Days

Week 10
Mon 7/15:
Tues 7/16:
Wed 7/17:
Thurs 7/18:
Fri 7/19:
Sat 7/20 & Sun 7/21: S Days

Week 11
Mon 7/22:
Tues 7/23:
Wed 7/24:
Thurs 7/25:
Fri 7/26:
Sat 7/27 & Sun 7/28: S Days

Week 12
Mon 7/29:
Tues 7/30:
Wed 7/31:
Thurs 8/1:
Fri 8/2:
Sat 8/3 & Sun 8/4: S Days
"No S is such a good way to combat the randomness, which is often the slide into more and more." - oolala53

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