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oolala53



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think (not that my opinion counts) realizing you don't have to give in to HALT is even more important than getting takeaway food to a minimum. It's a lot more uncomfortable and therefore has even more of a payoff.

You might consider having a separate kind of notation on a calendar (or a separate Habitcal) just for the times you either won or lost against HALT. BEing able to mark that success may be a motivator as well as NOT having to mark a failure might be. You might even start relishing the opportunity to say no, though I wouldn't recommend "bringing it" on purpose. Shocked

If I may say, it seems there is a fair amount of hanging further complications over your head as you go. This is a common habit to make us want to excel but it can also have our trainable psyche think it's never enough and get discouraged. Yes, down the line, we may have more things to work on but they will be a lot easier if we have a few hundred plates under our belts before trying to "improve our time" on our practice runs.
a few hundred plates before that. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala thank you for your wise words. Firstly I have to confess I have never heard of HALT before Embarassed I have googled and read that it means Hungry Angry Lonely Tired. I never knew there was an acronym that sums up my feelings so succinctly! But yes, those are usually the reasons I want to eat mindlessly, I would like to add another H, hormonal. I have discussed my awful pre menstrual symptoms with my doctor and have been told it is all entirely normal as we get older, and not an awful lot that can help! (Yay) I am very much aware that it adds to the cocktail in my mind though.
Actually regarding habitcal, I have never done one properly, only the monthly challenges here and I haven't done that for a while either. So that is something to start, I think it will help.
As for your last comment, I have always been hard on myself. I have had some counselling some years ago for this and other issues, but not in relation to my eating. I tend to beat myself up when I fail, and this contributes to my mindset of just giving up/giving in. NoS has helped so much but as you have noted, it is complicated!

I wanted to write about yesterday evening too, we went for dinner at my mum and Dad’s. I have written before about my mum and food. Last night there was so much food for just 6 of us it was actually almost comical. Huge dishes of vegetables, meat, potatoes, just vast quantities, almost obscene. The amount leftover at the end could have fed another 6 at least, probably more. The desserts were enormous and too much choice. I feel relieved that I have at least broken away from this pattern. I am determined to bring my boys up with the ability to eat moderately. And enjoy treats occasionally. NoS unofficially for my kids I guess!!

Well that was a long post! We are out for lunch today, I am going to enjoy it without going over the top, that is the plan, after last night I think I will stick to it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen some of my posts? I binge on them all the time.

That was a great feat at your parents'. It sounded like you were not swayed by the volume of food nor by possibly your mother's entreaties to eat more. (or maybe just a little.)

I think not only are humans wired to like plenty, but Americans brought with them and still have an immigrant mentality. They often came because life was tough at home, and there was so much relief and pride at being able to set a full table. And of course the rich were expected to show off, though the wealthy are not impressed with eating a lot. They provide excess but they don't eat it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Sunday we had lunch out just the 4 of us, I chose bouillabaisse which was delicious, filling and probably quite a healthy ish option. Then I blew it by having a Krispy Kreme doughnut. Mmmm it was yummy.
Today has been a success, avoided temptation when I got home and waited for dinner somehow.
I had your words in my head today Oolala, when you say you’ve never regretted not eating something. Or something like that! Anyway the resonance of it has helped me even if I can’t recall your exact words, sorry!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today - success
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's close enough, but honestly, I wouldn't have made much of having a Krispy Kreme doughnut at your stage of the game. I easily ate the equivalent of multiples of them on many S days. One is not even close to blowing it, in my book. Getting to the point at which I could say that I almost never regret NOT eating something on an S day took, well, probably up until the last couple of years.

But you don't have to repeat my timeline... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of Ss over the weekend. Today - success
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So. I went AWOL for a bit. Had something of a relapse, I was allowing myself to not NoS, to eat what I wanted when I wanted. Except... it wasn’t as big a relapse as I have had with other diets. I felt uncomfortable with eating large amounts of food. I would have a snack then wish I felt hungry for a meal. I was sort of watching myself doing what I used to do, whilst thinking ‘well this is a bit ridiculous, eating for the sake of eating without enjoyment’
I didn’t really set out to prove that NoS is better for me than anything else, but that is what happened.
So here I am, re committed, head back out of the sand, NoSing as if I never left.
Lucky for me my weight has remained stable too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today - success
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today - success
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back and congrats on the successes! It's funny how natural waiting for your next meal starts to become isn't it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks milliem
Today - success
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relapses at this point in the history of substance abuse therapy are almost considered part of the process. It often reminds the person what had become so miserable about the habit, and they often recommit with even better results. (Not saying our eating is substance abuse, but both are habits along a continuum.)

I've said I would trade my weight loss for other things I haven't gotten in life but I would not be willing to go back to overeating so chronically to do it. So, Catch 22.

Welcome home!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see you again, Bluebell!

My S days are similar to your recent "lapse", I think: I snack and eat loads of treats just because I can. Every time I do this, I'm reminded how insane it is - how I much prefer looking forward to the next meal and enjoying it, as on an N day. This message is hammered into my head every weekend...and eventually I think it will really sink in. For now though, I need the reminder!

Personally, I find Habitcal really useful. A bit like No S itself, I can't really explain why it works, but it has some sort of clever effect on my head. I'm not afraid of the red squares as such, but the idea of one gives me a sort of sinking feeling, like it was a missed opportunity to progress by a whole day.

All the best with your journey!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Oolala and Octavia. Strangely, it almost feels as if I needed to go through that process. To be ‘absent’ from NoS in order to reinforce how much I need it in my life. I have commentd before about how I have always followed the destructive pattern of losing weight, feeling that I have done what’s needed, then reverting back to overeating. I have lost 28lbs and maintained for a few months and it feels like my mind wanted to revert back to the old pattern. You’re done with NoS, you’ve lost weight, back to how you were before you started.
Except, I am not the person who started out in October 2016. I have had my struggles but each time I have learnt a little more about how to eat with moderation. How to be ‘normal’ around food. And when I was binge eating, I knew it wasn’t how I wanted to be. It felt uncomfortable. I wasn’t enjoying food.
Oolala, in many ways it does feel like substance abuse. So many times pre NoS I have wondered what is wrong with me, why I cannot be normal around food. NoS has shown me that I can be normal around food. And I want to be that person. I can be that person.
Octavia, I keep saying I will start a habitcal, I know it will help me. I am going to do it right now - thank you for the gentle prompt.
Today - success.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That you felt that you almost had to drop out to get how good No S was for you is what I was saying about the usefulness of relapse in drug treatment. Just like it often takes several tries to get serious and find an eating system that works, it usually takes "users"several tries, too. Getting more miserable in between often increases the determination!

I think you were actually being normal around food before. Overeating when there is access to food is the norm for humans. That's why it takes culture to rein things in, and why slim cultures are the exceptions now. Guyenet reported on a hunter gatherer society in which the members gorge themselves when they get access to a lot of food, eating pounds of meat and more than a QUART of honey at a time.

So don't be too hard on yourself! You're working on letting reason determine your habits.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oolala that’s not the first time part of your advice has been to not be too hard on myself - its time I started listening... really listening. Thank you again. I’ll get the message one of these days Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to hear it, too, in other areas. Housework, run-ins with students and others- we'll just stop there... I'll try to listen to my own advice!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Success all week. Today is a rare snow day, we don’t get snow very often at all in my part of the UK and everything grinds to a halt when we get a centimetre or two! So I am trying to stick to NoS today even though it feels like a mini unexpected holiday, and reminding myself that I can have fun without overeating. More fun in fact as I won’t feel uncomfortable.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluebell wrote:
reminding myself that I can have fun without overeating. More fun in fact as I won’t feel uncomfortable.


That's a great reminder for us all, actually. Congratulations on your successful week! All the more impressive when you realise that so many of us abandon all structure when something unexpected happens.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you and Octavia must live in the same part of UK? Same snow?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly the same snow! I’m in Surrey, another bit of south east England.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope all is well with you Bluebell.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same thought here.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, where to start.
Firstly, I have finally returned to this forum to see two messages asking after me. I am beyond touched that anyone would bother to look me up or think of me after all this time, let alone strangers online. So thank you.
Since I last checked in, in March, I had a complete relapse. I did what I always always do which is to return to my bad old habits. I lasted so much longer with NoS than any other diet, however it was as if I could not escape the inevitable forever.
I had maintained my 2 stone loss for some time, give or take a few pounds, but between now and then I have put back on 22 of the 28lb I had lost. It has felt like deliberate sabotage, and yet I knew even as I was doing it that deep down this was not what I wanted.
As a coincidence, I had a very interesting conversation with a friend of a friend who is a hypnotherapist. We spoke a bit about my issues around food and she said that she thought I was almost certainly rebelling against my mother putting me on a diet aged 12. I told that her that I didn’t feel like I was rebelling but she said that it would be locked away in my subconscious somewhere. She was very lovely and not at all pushy.
I kept thinking, I would love to see her for a session, she will finally release me from this burden (that’s how it feels, a burden to keep doing this to myself)
Mainly because I can’t justify spending that money on myself, I never got round to booking an appointment with her. However, I found myself asking ‘What would I want the outcome of a hypnotherapy session to be?’ And I came up with this.
I would like to eat sensible meals, cut out the crap, and enjoy the occasional treat without tipping over into a binge and feelings of guilt.
That would be the NoS diet then.
So here I am. Nothing will work for me as well as NoS has. I think I truly know that now. I hope so anyway. I’ve managed a week successfully and have also started C25K, I’m only on week 2 but feel determined to get fitter and healthier.
I hope its OK to come back after all this time away. I intend to post from time to time, but keep a more detailed record in a paper diary kept by my bedside.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see you back Bluebell. Most of us here have come and gone and returned and have similar stories. Eventually, if we stay at it, changes in our thinking patterns and habits will take place and the weight will come off. The weight loss is SLOW, but it takes time to change a lifetime of mismanaging food and body image. "Focus on habits and not the weight loss" is the mantra. And don't expect perfection. This isn't all or nothing!

And even after nearly 10 years of NoS, I still need to check in now and then to make myself accountable. I will be following your story.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is no forum police to stop you from coming back! We love returnees, and some have been away a lot longer than you have. Like years.

Hmm, it's too bad hypnotherapists aren't willing to get their money after you get your result. I wonder if someone could make No S truly effortless by resolving some old issue? I have my doubts. Wherever the food supply increases, weight goes up. I doubt it's because of childhood issues. But who knows? It would be a gamble.

It doesn't mean I haven't thought of hypnotherapy for other stuff, like patience at work. But the gambling issue holds me up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back Bluebell. Believe it or not, I followed your story with interest, and have often wondered how you are doing.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your kind words. It feels good to be back Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've missed you, too! Welcome back.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pleased to see your recent update Bluebell.
Hope things are going well for you.
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By the way, I fully support you spending money on hypnosis if it appeals to you. You are worthy of spending money on, assuming it won’t put you in debt to do it. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bluebell!
Welcome back, always glad to see you. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all. Honestly, I’m not in a good place right now with my eating. I can’t seem to find the strength to get back on it. Jenji you are too kind, I don’t feel worthy of anything much, I just feel fat and miserable. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are all different of course, but I am just going to share what has worked for me after nearly 10 years of No S which has included losing and gaining and losing and gaining!

1. Try not to focus on weight loss. It is always buzzing around in my head but losing weight is not the problem. Overeating and bingeing has always been the issue for me.
2. Work on getting from one meal to the next without eating in between. If you have to fill your plate with dense foods so be it. The first habit is to quit eating except at your 3 meals. This takes some time to retrain your brain. Failure does not mean you are weak or out of control. It is the old neural pathways that run deep!
3. Do not think and plan for S Days. That sabotaged me every time. I have learned not to bake or think about what I want on those days. For me, I still must be vigilant about sweets. So I may allow myself a treat but I try to eat it in the presence of others and not have it in the house. My trouble has always been stopping!
4. I have tried HabitCal but it just doesn't work for me. It makes me too obsessive and if I have a fail it can start a downward spiral. You know we talk about the What the Heck effect and also I have dented the fender, so I might as well total the car!
5. After establishing 3 plates a day and calmer S Days (and this may take awhile so be patient with yourself), then you can fiddle with what types of foods you are eating and adjust amounts and caloric density, etc.
6. And just check in on your thread and use it however it helps you. No one is going to judge you. I had picked up a couple of pounds (am now working on maintaining) so this last week I just logged in and wrote down what I ate. I was not counting anything, just making sure I wasn't fooling myself.
7. The weather or other conditions might not be conducive for you to get a fresh air walk in each day, but that is also my answer to get moving.

Hang in there and wait until the next plate! Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TexArk thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to write such a helpful reply, I do truly appreciate it. Actually if you don’t mind me saying, I recognise a lot of myself in what you write, and your advice is spot on. I’d like to answer your points in turn if that’s ok.
1) I do focus on weight loss far too much. I think I need to put the scales away for now. NoS worked well for me before, so I need to trust it again and be patient.
2) “Failure does not mean you are weak or out of control” - it is very very hard for me to accept this. I would love for my brain to work this way but years of yoyo dieting have left me with a deep sense of failure and self loathing every time I break a diet and gain weight. NoS is different, I know that, yet still I eventually gave up.
3) For me its the snacks that are hardest to give up and I find myself wanting to eat all day long on S days. So its not so much that I plan S days, more that I am finding it hard to reign it in.
4) I see what you’re saying. Do you mind me asking if you record your days in any way? I started using a paper diary with smiles for success, but then avoided recording anything when I had a fail.
5) 6) agreed and understood!
7) I am going to start walking again. I tried C25K but it was putting too much stress on my knees and hips. I have to accept that my weight and age are not conducive to running right now. So I am planning to try and fit in a brisk 30 minute walk whenever life allows.

Again, thank you for your help. Onwards.
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To answer your question about recording or tracking daily I will share what I do, but it may not be right for you if you obsess over the scale and your weight.

I set up an account about 5 years ago with a site that tracks your trend weight and will show you whether you are gaining or losing and what your calorie deficit or excess is. You don't enter food; just weigh daily. There is a blank to enter a comment if you want to make a note about something so you could use it to check that you had followed NoS that day or that it was an S Day. When I look back at my charts over the years, I can see when I quit weighing I start gaining and I will have months of no entries, usually around the holiday season. Go figure!

Anyway, here is the site and I am sure there are apps for phones and such that do the same thing. https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/online/hdo.html
It is pretty intuitive so I am sure you can figure it out.

Oh and I hear you about the snacking all day. I grew up with what we called "grazing" and it is my default setting. I grew up in Texas with cattle raising father. When I think about it now the whole point of the cows grazing all day was to fatten them up. Duh!
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Thank you.
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I warmly recommend that you read some books on body image and trying to separate image expectations from eating and especially from the habit of self-criticism. Don't let it get to you if they tell you to use intuitive eating or not to diet, etc. We are deluged with food in our culture and almost everyone could use the kind of kind, pleasurable systematic moderation No S promotes. It's okay to have a plan.

Regarding your unleashed eating on S days: make a few lists. One shows what you actually enjoy about eating willy nilly. Be honest! If there weren't some pleasure, you wouldn't do it.

On another, list what you hate about it and how it's affecting your life. Go ahead and list the self-loathing you feel, but also try to separate it in your mind from the other effects. It's important but is actually a separate issue/habit. It is something you can change, but you can't change feeling miserably full when you eat too much.

Your final list is the reasons you want to change this habit. Make sure most of them have to do with internal motivations. It's okay to have some for appearance's sake, but mentally note that you will do some things to make yourself look attractive anyway and that you will also strive to pay attention in your life to your value as a decent human being.

Lastly, write what discomfort you would be willing to put up with to the the bennies of that final list. There will likely be discomfort! Those intense, annoying sensations that keep telling you to eat? Facing how hard it may be to find compelling diversions? Having to keep answering back to the food-driven thoughts to eat? If the answer at this point is not willing to put up with any pain at all, then take yourself off the hook. Enjoy your N days and revel in your success with them. When I first started, I couldn't stand the idea of curtailing myself on S days. I wasn't willing to put up with any "waiting" discomfort. I was willing to feel bloated and gorged in exchange for that freedom. I went through a lot of angst later when that lasted a long time, but unless I had a real illness to deal with, I don't think I could have rushed it.

But if you CAN imagine it, you've had good suggestions already.

Give yourself credit for EVERY inch of success on this and vow to spend more time living your life in between. Who would you be if this were not a focus? And be gentle with yourself if that's a hard question, too. It continues to be for me.
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I love every word of this post. It all sunk in deep.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Oolala. That you continue to care and give such wonderful advice to people (strangers) who are struggling on an internet forum, and that you never give up on any of us and have belief in each and every poster that they can do this, says an awful lot about the wonderful person that you are.

I am going to give your words some thought and write a proper reply when I’ve had a moment or two to gather myself.
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Well it seems it took me another month to gather myself Confused Shocked
I do not want to feel like this anymore. I am heartily sick of allowing food to rule my life. I am uncomfortable in my clothes. My knees ache from the extra weight. I have no self control. Sometimes I eat even though I don’t really want to. And when I found NoS which helped me more than anything else, I still didn’t let myself stick with it for good.
So I’m starting again. Two days of success so far. I feel something has clicked in my mind but I don’t trust myself enough to think that it will last. One day at a time.
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I get it. Sometimes we have a bad stretch. But I am glad to have you back and applauding your 2 days in the bank. Have a good day today - plan yourself some nice meals if you can. Smile
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Thank you jenji, very much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the stands,cheering you on!!
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Hi there, pretty Bluebell!
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Bluebell, I warmly suggest you write that list of miseries somewhere you can read it over and over, day after day, to remind yourself what you are tolerating the difficult times avoid. Because the truth is there is often at least SOME difficulty in sticking to No S. This is what people who work towards long term goals do without realizing it, though in their case it might be what the glories will be for taking actions every day.

The bilogical drive not only to eat but to some degree overeat can arise after the discomfort of overeating subsides, making our declarations when we are disgusted seem weak and misguided. It's not personal! It can make sense all over again to go ahead and eat. But that's when it's most important that we don't!

Let's hang on!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for your unswerving support. This forum is amazing. Yesterday was success.

Oolala another gem to hang on to “It’s not personal”
In all my painful considerations about my eating, I’ve honestly never thought of it like that. I know you’ve said it many times before. But I’ve only just allowed myself to hear it. Thank you.
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I have 2 days green myself! Let's go for 3 in a row!
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It's great to see you back Bluebell !
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Bluebell wrote:
Well it seems it took me another month to gather myself Confused Shocked
I do not want to feel like this anymore. I am heartily sick of allowing food to rule my life. I am uncomfortable in my clothes. My knees ache from the extra weight. I have no self control. Sometimes I eat even though I don’t really want to. And when I found NoS which helped me more than anything else, I still didn’t let myself stick with it for good.
So I’m starting again. Two days of success so far. I feel something has clicked in my mind but I don’t trust myself enough to think that it will last. One day at a time.


Big hugs and lots of cheer for getting back on track. Maybe don't think of it as starting again. You committed to this but wavered that happens to us all. Feeling like you've failed and have to muster the energy to restart is draining. You are on this plan for life now and just learning how it works. If month by month you increase the number of green days then that is progress. Stay focused on learning what your triggers are, don't beat yourself up when it goes wrong, shrug your shoulders and non judgementally try figure out what triggered it, then move on. You are only ever a meal away from being back on track.

You'll get there just don't expect to get it all right from the start.

Keep posting Smile

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Bluebell wrote:
Well it seems it took me another month to gather myself Confused Shocked
I do not want to feel like this anymore. I am heartily sick of allowing food to rule my life. I am uncomfortable in my clothes. My knees ache from the extra weight. I have no self control. Sometimes I eat even though I don’t really want to. And when I found NoS which helped me more than anything else, I still didn’t let myself stick with it for good.
So I’m starting again. Two days of success so far. I feel something has clicked in my mind but I don’t trust myself enough to think that it will last. One day at a time.


Big hugs and lots of cheer for getting back on track. Maybe don't think of it as starting again. You committed to this but wavered that happens to us all. Feeling like you've failed and have to muster the energy to restart is draining. You are on this plan for life now and just learning how it works. If month by month you increase the number of green days then that is progress. Stay focused on learning what your triggers are, don't beat yourself up when it goes wrong, shrug your shoulders and non judgementally try figure out what triggered it, then move on. You are only ever a meal away from being back on track.

You'll get there just don't expect to get it all right from the start.

Keep posting Smile

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I got 3 by filling up my plate! We do what we have to do.
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jenji wrote:
I got 3 by filling up my plate! We do what we have to do.

Yay well done Jenji! I am definitely having full plates, but have managed to have success again yesterday and today so I’m really pleased. Actually it feels a real relief to be back on the plan, I know this works for me I just need to commit.
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Skelton wrote:
It's great to see you back Bluebell !

Thank you so much. Smile
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Soprano wrote:
Bluebell wrote:
Well it seems it took me another month to gather myself Confused Shocked
I do not want to feel like this anymore. I am heartily sick of allowing food to rule my life. I am uncomfortable in my clothes. My knees ache from the extra weight. I have no self control. Sometimes I eat even though I don’t really want to. And when I found NoS which helped me more than anything else, I still didn’t let myself stick with it for good.
So I’m starting again. Two days of success so far. I feel something has clicked in my mind but I don’t trust myself enough to think that it will last. One day at a time.


Big hugs and lots of cheer for getting back on track. Maybe don't think of it as starting again. You committed to this but wavered that happens to us all. Feeling like you've failed and have to muster the energy to restart is draining. You are on this plan for life now and just learning how it works. If month by month you increase the number of green days then that is progress. Stay focused on learning what your triggers are, don't beat yourself up when it goes wrong, shrug your shoulders and non judgementally try figure out what triggered it, then move on. You are only ever a meal away from being back on track.

You'll get there just don't expect to get it all right from the start.

Keep posting Smile

Jx


Thank you so much for your support. I like this way of looking at it. I have felt this week that I am returning to the way of eating that works for me.
“You are only ever a meal away from being back on track” - this is such a positive way of looking at it. I forgot how forgiving NoS is, I think this sets it apart from other ‘diets’.
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Thanks for your kind words. Smile
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Bluebell wrote:
jenji wrote:
I got 3 by filling up my plate! We do what we have to do.

Yay well done Jenji! I am definitely having full plates, but have managed to have success again yesterday and today so I’m really pleased. Actually it feels a real relief to be back on the plan, I know this works for me I just need to commit.


Nice work, Bluebell!
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Bluebell wrote:
Soprano wrote:
Bluebell wrote:
Well it seems it took me another month to gather myself Confused Shocked
I do not want to feel like this anymore. I am heartily sick of allowing food to rule my life. I am uncomfortable in my clothes. My knees ache from the extra weight. I have no self control. Sometimes I eat even though I don’t really want to. And when I found NoS which helped me more than anything else, I still didn’t let myself stick with it for good.
So I’m starting again. Two days of success so far. I feel something has clicked in my mind but I don’t trust myself enough to think that it will last. One day at a time.


Big hugs and lots of cheer for getting back on track. Maybe don't think of it as starting again. You committed to this but wavered that happens to us all. Feeling like you've failed and have to muster the energy to restart is draining. You are on this plan for life now and just learning how it works. If month by month you increase the number of green days then that is progress. Stay focused on learning what your triggers are, don't beat yourself up when it goes wrong, shrug your shoulders and non judgementally try figure out what triggered it, then move on. You are only ever a meal away from being back on track.

You'll get there just don't expect to get it all right from the start.

Keep posting Smile

Jx


Thank you so much for your support. I like this way of looking at it. I have felt this week that I am returning to the way of eating that works for me.
“You are only ever a meal away from being back on track” - this is such a positive way of looking at it. I forgot how forgiving NoS is, I think this sets it apart from other ‘diets’.


I love this phrase, too, Oolala!
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Ok so the weekend wasn’t too bad, I definitely had S treats but didn’t feel out of control. Yesterday and today have been successful, today when I came home at 4 pm I really wanted to eat, and it lasted until dinner at 6.30pm. This is my real danger time for eating mindlessly and to fill an immediate urge. Even worse when I’m tired and a bit stressed like today. Somehow I did ride it out and need to remind myself that I can.
I am purposefully avoiding the scales right now as I know that they can tip me over into giving up.
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